Why should gays want to be admitted into the boy scouts?
If they are that interested in such an organization, start a similar one for gays. They should not want to disrupt an organization for boys and started for boys. It is the same for the military there are some duties that are more suitable for men than women. Yes, women are capable of performing some of these duties but that does not mean they should. You can drive with your feet that does not make a good idea.
I don't understand. Some women aren't suited for some duties in the military.. okay,fine. I guess you mean physical strength.
So how are some boys not suited for the boy scouts just because they are gay? They are still male aren't they?
And I don't agree that gays should be banned. People are different. Get over it.
Comparing gay men with women is a bad start to any argument. Why? Because both groups are stronger than you think. In more ways than one.
Also - Gay people are STILL PEOPLE - you seperate them as though they are aliens. The boys wanting to join the Boy Scouts are just boys also - they just happen to be gay boys...but still BOYS.
Now, from what I recall the 'Boy Scouts" are known as the 'Scouts" in the rest of the world. And guess what, this girl here was a scout - many years ago. So it's rules have be changed many a time, and for the better.
Why do gays want to be admitted into scouts? They are boys (or in countries less...seperated than the "united" states - girls as well) who want to do boy type things - open fires, knot tying, hiking, kayaking, camping, etc. They are still male, and they wish to do outdoorsy things. They more than anything want to be treated as equals to their peers - because they are equal.
Your stereotyping is disturbing. I know many many more Manly Gay men than I do "feminine" ones, and plenty you wouldn't know if they were gay if you walked past them in the street - because very few people fit the stereotype. Women in the army - I have several siblings - all female, all straight even - in or ex-military, doing or having done things like transport bodies - men can kill, women are strong enough to deal with the aftermath.
You seem to need to stereotype people, but in doing so, it says more about you, than it does about a boy who just happens to be gay wanting to do what his peers do.
I didn't like Brownies, so I switched - there were two of us in our troop who were female. One of the troop was even gay...though didn't know it then....so, it's not a new thing - at least not to the Scouts of the rest of the world. America just needs to catch up.
I can't think of any tradional organization that was founded on sexual orientation. I imagine every group that is out there including the military has (already) had gay or lesbian members.
Anyone that meets requirments of an organization should not be discriminated against. Like men, women come in all shapes, sizes, strenghts, and mental toughness. If a woman scores high doing the (same) tests as men in the field and classroom she should be allowed to shoot for whatever position she wants.
However I would be against lowering or easing the requirements. Everyone should be able to do the same type of push up and carry a specified weight...etc
Being a straight guy I have never wanted to be in the boy scouts but I would imagine asking a gay person why they want to be in the boy scouts is the same as asking why they want to participate mainstream America. If a gay J. Edgar Hoover could run the FBI without it collapsing I'm sure the boy scouts will be just fine.
Every boy should be able to be involved in the Scouting program if he wants to be. Boy Scouts of America never has been nor ever will have anything to do with sexual orientation. And the fact that gays are banned from BSA is not only wrong but it's downright discrimination. Boy Scouts is about developing leadership and in order to be a good leader you need to be accepting of those around you and respect all people no matter who they are or who they love.
This really is a religious matter in some sense, but I like the idea of letting each troop decide. That way churches that hosts scout troops are not forced into anything and yet gays could be a part of a group at another more accepting church.
As an Eagle Scout myself I have done some research on this particular subject. First of all as stated a male is a male no matter the sexual orientation and our Nation is one of the few in the world that only classify male and female as the only sex, but that is a different story. The BSA was made for all boys and in the beginning their was no restrictions on this just because of sexual orientation, but also at the time of founding it was not an issue as it is today. The reason that gay men and boys were officially banned from the BSA was because of allegations of rape, molestation and other sexual activity. The problem with those reports is that 80% of the molestation and rape reports where straight men that were married, not gays. The other 20% was sexual activity that was caught in the act, not rape or molestation. The problem is that everyone thinks of gay guys and believe they just want to molest little boys and this is an easy way to do that. Well it is not the truth, anyone can molest a child no matter their sexual orientation it has been shown over and over. I don't think it is right to deny a boy the right to join a group that teaches him to fend for himself in the case of any emergency. My father was never around and this is how I learned to become a man and fend for myself, and wouldn't deny it to another due to their sexual orientation. The main thing is that BOYS are allowed into the Scouts now and not openly gay adults, which is still banned. This could change the way a boy thinks and his sexual orientation, because maybe he is confused because he was never taught any different. I am not saying that gayness is a disease either like many people think, and that is curable with a few thrashings and a Bible being thrown at you. I hope this help and I didn't come off as a snob, just voicing my opinion. Thank you to anyone that reads this.
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