How do you feel about gay marriage?

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  1. VVanNess profile image94
    VVanNessposted 6 years ago

    How do you feel about gay marriage?

    The Bible says absolutely not, but we are a country about everyone being equal. Where do you stand?

  2. JMcFarland profile image83
    JMcFarlandposted 6 years ago

    The bible should not be used to create or dictate laws in a democratic republic that was founded on the principles of the separation of church and state - unless you're okay with using the Koran to create other laws, or make other laws based on Buddhist teachings.  The treaty of Tripoli in 1796 explicitly states "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" I think it's absurd to use christian teachings, doctrines and dogmas to create laws that everyone in this country has to abide by - even if they're not christian.  Not everyone in this country is a christian, and they have every right to equal protection under the law.  Christianity has no right forcing their doctrines or beliefs on everybody, and if laws are made based on christian principles, that's exactly what they're doing.  In a democratic republic, the idea is to protect the rights of the minority from the will of the majority - and that's exactly why gay marriage should be legal.  No one will force churches to perform marriages - we're more than happy with getting married in a courthouse like me and my wife did.  If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person - but no one has the right to discriminate against a minority simply because they dislike it.

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I've been attracted to tons of inappropriate people, but with the encouragement of those I loved, I made better decisions.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      There can be no wife without a groom nor can there be a groom without a wife. The Almighty did not give marriage to humanity...He gave it to a man and his wife...period! Weak-minded politicians and debased lawyers gave marriage to everyone else.

    3. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Marriage was around a LONG time before Christianity. It may not have be referred to as the same, but it existed. The "almighty' does not have 'dibs' on it, nor does religion.

    4. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The world is religion. How could marriage be around before religion? Did you actually read your comment before posting it?

    5. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You don't get it. Once the law recognizes it, they will push to force churches to marry Gay couples, otherwise it's considered "discrimination." It's not just about equal rights, it's about forcing everyone to accept the lifestyle as the norm.

    6. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Christianity is not the first religion. Pagan religions predate Christianity. Marriage predates christianity.Yes I did read before I posted. Did you brush up on your pre Christian history or just ignore it?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Almighty YHWH condemned homosexuality long before Christ walked on this planet. The laws of God were written in the minds of men from the very beginning. Noah knew these laws coming off the ark. No pagan religion predates Noah.

    8. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ - ignoring the existence of them does not make them not actually exist. The world existed long before the beginning of Christianity and other religions. Noah is not the be all and end all of the beginning. Only in Christianity

    9. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      jlpark - that's what you believe. Christians believe in the Bible, as the inspired word of God. And the Bible was written in the stars and passed down orally far before it was written. The secular world only recognizes when it was recorded down.

    10. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sarah, and the Pagan religions predate Christianity. Not necessarily written either.  Many of the Christian holy days are based on Pagan rituals/sacred days. Just because Christians believe something, does not necessarily make it true.

    11. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I asked you to re-think your comment because God WAS the beginning. He created our Earth and "Christianity," or the belief in Him, with it. Nothing but non-existence existed before that for you or the Earth. Nothing can pre-date God.

    12. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      And just because your religion states that then it must be true for everyone? Science proves earth is older than Christian lore states. Carbon dating etc.
      Your God is not every1s. Each religion states it different. Christianity is not nes correct.

  3. xanzacow profile image68
    xanzacowposted 6 years ago

    You are asking some very moral questions. ie...also the one about Santa and the tooth fairy.....I think each person must make his or her own decision about this, and not be too vocal about it, for fear of not being politically correct or being judgemental. Freedom of speech is no longer a freedom at all. I will say, I agree with the Bible, which never mentions Santa or the tooth fairy, and does not condone gay marriage, but destroyed a nation because of sodomy. However, I live in this world together with many of different beliefs, and choose to be peaceful within it. So, that being said, to each his own. Judge not, lest ye be judged....

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's fair. What about those that have to make a decision about a child being gay or a sibling? Do you expose your family to that? Do you allow your children to go that direction?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      In Matthew 7:1-5 Christ is talking about hypocrisy...but He is not talking about forsaking righteous judgment because right after these verses He says, "Don't give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs." Gee, I wonder who the pigs are?

    3. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      the old saying:  ''ignorance is bliss'' is true 4 most religious zealots. The unholy bible has caused more problems than it has ever solved.  U fault others 4 wanting equality, yet preach unfounded hatred UR self.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      As usual, D.W., your comments are way off the mark and are just as biased and prejudiced as those you rail against. "Equality" is a fool's paradise. Not all behaviors, people, or opinions are equal. Some behaviors are healthy while others are not.

    5. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ: it is nice to see you still are ignorance personified. Evil mindedness never changes does it?

    6. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What you just called CJ, you actually are. How has anything that he has said evil in any way? Humans have caused problems, not the Bible itself. Stop blaming the tool, humans are accountable for their actions. Greed and lust for power is destructive.

    7. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Then stop hiding behind a holy book. Take responsibility for your own opinions and even ignorance and stop standing behind 'but the bible says.'

      If you don't like gay people - don't blame God for your hatred, it's not His fault

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      How am I ignorant on homosexuality, Jlpark? Please teach me about all the virtues associated with sodomy and the oral fixations of your kind. Please tell me how this world will be a better place if we all gave in to our evil urges and desires.

    9. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Where do I start? You are ignorant of the fact that anal sex and oral sex are sexual practices enjoyed by many heterosexual couples. Not are gay relationships based on sex. Those who think that are against it, & thinking 2 much abt sex lifes of o

    10. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't hate gay people, I love them like any human. I hate sin. I hate people trying to perpetuate sin and twist it to try and make it seem like it's not a sin. Gay ppl can't have sex without it being sodomy so you can't compare to straight couples.

    11. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      @ CJ - Just give up arguing with jlpark, as you referred to before in the Bible, it advises us not to "cast our pearls before swine." Your breath is being wasted on them.

    12. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Name calling now? CJ asked so I told him.
      I'm curious though - why are people who dislike gay marriage thinking so much about gays and sexual practices. If u don't like it - don't think abt it. But yet u think on it so much u judge us. Issues much?

    13. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      sara: your misguided righteous is overwhelming. Not everyone thinks the bible is truth. It is nothing but religious propaganda. It is OK to quote it, but not OK to rebuke it.  You need to learn where it came from.

    14. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What I also find disturbing is the LACK of knowledge of the context, and history of the verses used to condemn homosexuals by Christians. Thats the ignorance that disturbs me. The history and context explain why such verses were needed THEN, not NOW.

    15. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I am disturbed by your lack of knowledge about the context and history of the Bible. Most who reject it and simply scared of the consequences of their actions and on a bigger picture than themselves. God doesn't have to be scary.

    16. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not misguided, don't proclaim to know me. I'm also not forcing you to agree with anything I say, I'm merely expressing my beliefs and the beliefs of other Christians, explaining the perspective. You can believe whatever you want or choose to.

    17. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      VVaness - if u mean me - the intricisies of some of it - sure. However, I know the historical & verse context of the verses used here v well.
      In context they make sense. Use out of context they show ignorance & a misuse of bible for division

  4. VVanNess profile image94
    VVanNessposted 6 years ago

    Thanks for your reply. Personally I am a Christian and don't feel necessarily that Christian doctrines should be "law" for everyone, but my religion definitely dictates my feelings and beliefs. My husband has a gay uncle though, and I can't see myself treating him badly, or even differently, because of his life choices.

    1. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What would you say if your child struggled for years being gay and keeping it secret for fear of rejection? What would you say if your child told you he/she were gay? Would you deny him/her... tell him/her it's wrong?

    2. Compliance Doctor profile image72
      Compliance Doctorposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Please refrain from using the word "choices".  This is not a choice, and you cannot attach such a bold faced ignorant statement like this when research and years of studies demonstrate that it is NOT a choice!

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Victoria: Keep fighting the good fight!!! As I mentioned earlier, Christ said in Matthew 7:6 - not to give what is holy to dogs or to toss your pearls before pigs, thus Christ made some very profound judgments regarding the condition of these souls.

    4. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure how I would handle the situation. It's easy for me to see both sides. My husband and I were talking about this last night.
      Doctor: Everyone has their own opinions. I don't think that makes one person right or one wrong. Thank you CJ!

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Cat:

      People can struggle for years with a secret compulsion or obsession. Just because someone is tempted by an activity or behavior doesn't make it good, decent, natural or healthy. Self restraint and self discipline, therefore, becomes the key.

    6. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Here here CJ! I've been attracted to many of the wrong people over the years and was tempted to make tons of bad decisions but I had to decide what was right and wrong for myself.

    7. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      @ Doctor From what I've been told, sexuality is a sliding scale (meaning it's very rare that someone is 100% gay or straight). Ask any bi-sexual, they change their mind on which sex they prefer based on their "mood." So really, its not a choice?

    8. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ,
      Suppose it is "possible" for someone to be attracted to his/her own sex. Should he/she force him/herself to be with the opposite sex and live a lie, hiding true feelings? Is that fair to the mate of this person who the other is "trying" to love?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Cat:
      It is dangerous living our lives according to our "feelings" and to appease our desires. Self restraint and self control, in conjunction with good judgment, needs to be employed in everything that we do. Resist Satan and he will flee from you.

    10. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ,
      I don't have to worry about my own self-control. I can control myself and avoiding "sinning" to the best of my ability. I do not have the Bible memorized and I suppose I sin from time to time. But I cannot presume how others feel, nor can I judge

  5. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
    Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years ago

    I avoid religious conversations because I refuse to be placed in any kind of a divided group. Are we not all human? Personally, I don’t care what another person’s beliefs are. You can tell me about them and I will listen and if you ask me, I will share mine. We live in too diverse of times to start deciding what kinds of groups are acceptable and what groups are not. Who am I to judge how another person lives? I don’t want to be judged myself, especially by my equals. So long as lives are not compromised, I could care less how anyone conducts his/her personal business. Quite frankly, I think it’s sad that we judge each other. Who makes someone better than another and by whose standards? What difference does it make who sits at my dinner table?

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Does that mean that if one of your children came home and broke the news of their sexual preference, you would be okay with it? What about the effect it would have on your other children? The rest of the family?

    2. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      "Broke the news"? You break the news that you have a terminal illness or you want a divorce. My children might as well get used to "Gay", it's not going away and I don't want them  ignorant. A parent loves their child no matter what, unconditionally.

    3. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I appreciate your opinions. Everyone feels a little differently. My new mother-in-law totally disowned her brother and kept him from all 13 of her children for over 20 years. He is just now coming back into the picture.

    4. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not trying to be offensive and you're entitled to your opinion as well :-)
      What kind of damage do you think could be done to a child that is told that they are wrong for feeling the way they do? Casting them aside?

    5. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      A great deal of damage, but parents are in place to set boundaries and lead their children in the right direction.

      I wouldn't let my children drink or do drugs just because they were expressing themselves. Same goes for tattoos, gang affiliation...

    6. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm all about guiding my children in the right direction, but I'm not sure that I have the power to convince them who they will love. That's about as crazy as arranged marriages; I couldn't imagine picking my child's life mate.

    7. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Funny, but that's common practice in many countries. At one point in history, homosexuality was taboo as well. I'm curious what will be common practice in another 50 years.

    8. JMcFarland profile image83
      JMcFarlandposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      it really sounds like VVanNess is trying to say that being gay is a choice - like getting drunk, getting a tattoo or doing drugs.  It's not a choice.  You do not wake up one morning and decide to be gay.  When did you decide who to be attracted to?

    9. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's exactly how I feel. Thank you for defining it so clearly for me. Just like peer pressure encourages and pressures individuals young and old to smoke for the first time cigarettes and other substances, drink for the first time, get tattoos, etc

    10. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      In 50 years we won't be having this conversations as diversity continues to increase.

      If my child told me he/she were gay, I don't believe I could tell him/her to pick something else. Like JMcFarland says, it's not a choice.

    11. JMcFarland profile image83
      JMcFarlandposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      being gay is not a matter of peer pressure.  It's not something you choose.  No one would choose to be treated like a second-class citizen for something that they can't help.  Did you ever make a conscious choice to be straight?

    12. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Here's one: Why is it that more and more "Christians" are having sex before marriage, especially nowadays? These same people will say the Bible says gay is wrong. Why is the Bible only used when it benefits an argument?

    13. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Good point on the sex before marriage. That will make another great question. smile Many Christians do use the Bible hypocritically. My mom is one of them. However, I still think that being a homosexual is a choice just as I made my choice on sexuality.

    14. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      My biggest gripe is that people contradict their words with their actions. How can you shun someone for not living according to the Bible when you don't yourself. Calling yourself Christian isn't all there is to it. How many people LIVE by the Bible?

    15. JMcFarland profile image83
      JMcFarlandposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      why do you think it's a choice?  Lets start there.

    16. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It's hard replying to both of you at the same time with limited words. smile I think the world is full of hypocrites and no matter how faithful, no one truly LIVES by the Bible completely. The idea is that we are imperfect humans trying to become better

    17. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      So honestly, being a wedding planner that I see you are... Do you turn away gay couples? Or is their money as good as the straight couples?

    18. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      JMcFarland, that's a great question. I'll have to think about it. On the wedding planning issue, personally, I do turn away gay couples politely. However, I allow my other planners to make that choice for themselves if they're comfortable.

    19. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      WanNess - you are avoiding the question - WHEN did you decide on your sexuality? When did you choose to be straight? If you didn't choose - neither did we...why think that we do?

    20. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      VVanNess, I'm a hetrosexual man. There was no point in my life where I remember (choosing) to be attracted to women. I just "instinctively" went in that direction. I didn't flip a coin. I imagine it's the same for gay people. You love who you love.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What difference does it make who sits at my dinner table? Well, we are defined by the company we keep and we know that bad company corrupts good character. We are ordered to render righteous judgment in all that we do, even choosing our relationships

    22. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      And that's exactly how I feel CJ! We all make choices in our lives. I had to learn which ones were right for me. When it comes to it, I'll have to be that person for my children as well. That's only one of my many life choices.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      jlpark: As for your question "when did you decide on your sexuality" I can answer that. THERE IS NO CHOICE!!! Nature decides for us. The female anatomy is specifically designed to entertain the love of a man. PERIOD! To violate nature is a choice.

    24. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Oh CJ why the fixation again? It is natural for me to be attracted to females, not males. So I'm not going against the nature I was given. Your nature is different so to be same sex paired would be against yours.

    25. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Serial killers argue that killing is a natural desire, just as pathological liars can't help but to lie, just like alcoholics can't stop the urge to drink. We all have natural weaknesses to sin, for some people it is being gay.

    26. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Why does love have to be a weakness? Why do we have to compare love to serial killers, drugs and tattoos. I thought love was love. Isn't love supposed to be beautiful in all forms?

    27. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      cantu - it's the old 'love thy neighbour as thyself ..... Oh unless of course they're gay' thing.
      What they don't realise is judging is up to God - not them. Their judgement of people they don't know is as likely to see them in Hell as me being gay

    28. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Too many people run around "claiming" to be Christian, but have their own sinning going on. But it is okay to sin on their own terms. And cast judgment on others. Where in the Bible does it say to judge others? Are we all equal to God?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know, Cat, anyone who goes around arguing with the Word of God may have a God complex and think they know better than the Almighty Himself. If you can find the verse in the Bible where Christ teaches tolerance of sinful behaviors...I'll bite.

    30. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      OK CJ, then that would leave me with few friends and even fewer acquaintances because I don't know if I can name enough people to fill a hand that engage in NO sinful activity, thoughts or behaviors at some point or other, despite their awareness.

    31. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      All sin is equal in the eyes of God, according to Bible, and we are all sinners, yes. But, we are suppose to try and avoid sin, not just allow it to run rampant. Nothing is wrong with love, God loves us all, but he hates sin & those who perpetuat

  6. FatFreddysCat profile image98
    FatFreddysCatposted 6 years ago

    It's really a non-issue for me ... if gays really want to be just as trapped and miserable as us married straights, then welcome to the party, y'all.

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      lol Do you really feel that way about your marriage? What if it were happening in your own household?

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      abt79posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Haha, trapped in a marriage. I'm guessing you're a man?

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    KEPitzposted 6 years ago

    Personally, I just think of marriage as marriage. Two people want to spend their lives together = marriage. It doesn't matter to me - and shouldn't matter to anyone else, either - what gender either party happens to be.
    (Getting pretty tired of marriage being described as either "traditional" or "gay".)

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What if our President were gay? What about your boss, your sibling, or your child? Would you still feel the same way?

    2. Compliance Doctor profile image72
      Compliance Doctorposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You are dead on correct.  It is amazing to me that we have evolved to the point that we think that we have the right to even begin to suggest what is right or wrong for anyone.  This hubber concerns me in her righteousness.  Is she the next Jesus?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Victoria: There is this blight called "gay marriage" because many people no longer subscribe to moral absolutes, hence they consider all things a shade of gray. Because many people are ships without a moral compass and rudder, they are adrift at sea.

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      KEPitzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      VVanNess - It's funny. My 21 year old son and I just had this conversation the other day. I wouldn't have a problem with a gay president, sibling, or child. What difference could that possibly make? I don't get what the issue is. Just me, I guess?

    5. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Compliance Doctor: I have not said any negative against anyone. In my original post, I actually stated both sides and asked how you felt. We are encouraged to ask controversial questions to start discussions. If you are not happy, don't participate.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Well, for one, KEPitz, your son will have the life expectancy of someone who lived in the 18th century. You would also have the knowledge that he will never sire a child and his body will become an incubation factory for a host of malicious diseases.

    7. Lady Guinevere profile image60
      Lady Guinevereposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ, what diiseases are you talking about?  List them please.  I think you are talking about AIDS but not sure.

    8. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      According to statistics I read almost ten years 1 in every 3 Middle School Students has an STD. I don't think that has anything to do with being gay. It is the filth that has become society. How many of them are Christian? I bet a lot.

    9. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Lady G. - You've never heard of STD's?

    10. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sarah - straight people are just as likely if not more likely to get STDs. What's your point?

    11. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      There's consequences for promiscuity, is my point. But there are also medical conditions that occur just from "sodomy" alone. It gets rather gross, actually, so I'll not get into detail there.

    12. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If you are going to make statements of facts - provide the source so it can be checked. Also - heterosexuals are just as likely to be promiscuous.are u suggesting that because one is gay they are promiscuous?

    13. Lady Guinevere profile image60
      Lady Guinevereposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sarah, please don't insult my intelligence.  STD's have been around a lot longer that AIDS. Do you know what they are and how many there are? All those who have these or AIDS don' make them all Homosexuals. Source 4 ur info?  That is a HI number.

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      KEPitzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ - I know gay people that have lived very long lives. As far as my child producing children - it's not MY life or MY decision to make. It's my child's. As long as my child is happy, I'm happy.

    15. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ - making statements as though they are fact (life expectancy) needs to have sources provided. Show us where so we may read this information. Or is it merely your opinion? I know many gay people who have lived longer than straight counterparts

    16. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      So, Wan, do you really believe that CJ is offering any intelligent conversation?  If that person is an example of what is in 'heaven' i will certainly opt for the opposite.  Would not want to hear that crap for an eternity.

    17. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Don't worry then d.william. It doesn't sounds like you'll have to. All of you ask for "proof" on our side, but can you honestly provide documented proof on yours? And when we do, you'll just shoot it down. There's no debate on your side, only judging

    18. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Vvannes - the burden of proof in this situation is on CJ for claiming something such as life expectancy as fact - 18th Cent length? Show me where. Proof from our side - look around - plenty of elderly gay people about - speaks for itself.

  8. d.william profile image74
    d.williamposted 6 years ago

    The question of same sex marriages is strictly one of equality under the law.  Being gay is NOT a 'choice' of lifestyle in spite of what the misinformed might preach.
    Our laws under the constitution were designed to address basic rights to every person - not just those who belong to any religious entity.
    So, whether you, i, or anyone else, has any opinions on this matter it is none of our business to decide who is equal under the law and who is to be discriminated against.  We have no business judging others for any reason.
    The bible is certainly not part of our constitution (thank god for that) and should have no legitimate influence on anyone's personal life.  Those who chose to believe that misinformation may do so, and their decision whether to follow it or not is only in relationship to themselves.
    So, this subject is not a subject for debate when it comes to the law.  You must remember that marriage was originally meant as a contract between two people to give both of them equal responsibility under that contract.   The church did not invent marriage, nor does a marriage within any religious sect hold any more relevance than one performed before a justice of the peace.
    We spend way too much time worrying about what other people are doing in the privacy of their bedrooms than we do in living our own life to its fullest, in peace, harmony, and pursuit of education.

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I sincerely appreciate your opinions, but have to disagree with all of that. "and should have no legitimate influence on anyone's personal life" is a judgment about religion just as others judge those that are homosexual. Everyone has their opinions.

    2. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      the difference being my  "opinions" are based on logic, reality,  and common sense - religious "opinions" are not.

    3. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's a very narrow-minded way of thinking. You talk about judgement and equality, but then you dismiss my opinions as worthless because you don't believe they are as good as yours. How very hypocritical of you. "We have no business judging others"

    4. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Are you judging gay people based on your religious beliefs?

    5. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      d.william is correct in that personal opinion should not deny the rights of other people. No one denies another their CHOICE of religion, yet we are denied rights on something we do not Choose. Because of opinion.  It's unequal, and unlawful.

    6. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      No comment I have ever made has judged anyone one way or the other. I know what I'm currently comfortable with and that's my choice, but never have I treated anyone badly for any difference or interest they might have in life. I choose not to judge.

    7. dashingscorpio profile image87
      dashingscorpioposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      VVanNess, Life is a (personal) journey. Like it or not in a free society parents don't get to choose their children's mate. As for siblings being "exposed" to gay people: Gay people come from (straight) parents! Sexual orientation isn't contagious.

    8. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      dashingscorpio: I understand your point of view. Thank you. That's what I'm trying to accomplish by asking controversial questions.

    9. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Some people think it's Ok to lie, some that it's OK to kill, even. Those are opinions, yet they are also laws. Our laws are based on morals, otherwise their would be no law. Religion is based on morals, therefore there is a connection between the 2.

  9. Compliance Doctor profile image72
    Compliance Doctorposted 6 years ago

    Well, for starters let's look at this from a simple perspective.  In Mark 12:18-27 teaches that,"When a man died childless, his widow is ordered by Biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir."   Biblical law states this is a must, today I would call this a lawful orgy.  Sounds hot, right?  Clearly, the Bible is a congregate of not just one, but sixty-six books that are stories.  Stories of relationships, God, God's relationships with Humanity.  The Bible is not one Book of human sexuality.  Furthermore, not ONE time does the Bible ever say that God said anything about homosexuality.  Man, yes indeed but, NOT God.  If you want to argue this point, then re-read your Bible.  Read the before and the after of the scriptures I know you are thinking about that you've been pre-programmed to remember that God said it was a sin.  The ultimate scripture that everyone wishes to ignorantly quote is the great mighty "no man shall lie with another man as he would with a woman".  Now find that verse, and read the context of the story that is being told.  The story being told has nothing to do with homosexuality yet, we quote it like it is and we dare anyone to say of the lesser.  Do you see that there is a huge difference in ignorance and awareness of truth.  If anyone can step back and subjectively see that it's your own personal feelings of how it may feel to you, your feelings have nothing to do with the subject here.  No one care how you feel about anything really.  This is the primary reason I feel that questions like this hubber is most inappropriate simply because no one should care.  This is about two people having the same rights as the white folks, the black folks, the women, the Mexicans, this is about two people choosing to spend the rest of their lives together in a committed relationship that is honored by law and by rights of this land. VVanNess, with all due respect, I don't really care about yours or anyone else's opinions or feelings of this subject.  I am secure in myself enough to know that I deserve the same advantages and chances to love and  be love as you do whether I am hetero, homo, a, sexual.  It just does not matter to me about you and your relationships and what you do behind close doors, and very frankly mine should not matter to you.  But, if you are so bored as to think that it is appropriate to continue to throw this question out there like it's nothing to ask, then..

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If you'll read my post, I gave no opinion, simply posted a controversial issue and asked for others thoughts. But you obviously care deeply about this to respond and leave such a lengthy comment, which I appreciate you sharing.

    2. profile image0
      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Way to butcher Scripture, Doc.

    3. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It's nice to have another side of the argument on here CJ. Thank you! I've been beat up pretty bad the last couple of days!

    4. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, so I guess Sodom and Gomorrah were just fictional places that God didn't choose to destroy because of the rampant sin (including forced homosexual group orgies) going on? So, Lot should have just joined right in? Very interesting.

    5. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sarah - check out what Jesus states as the sin of Sodom. Ezekiel if I remember correctly. Homosexuality had nothing to do with it.
      Speaking of Lot - you're ok with his offering his daughters for rape then? Cause that's what you condone if u use Gen.

    6. themushy profile image59
      themushyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Law and Religion (in my view) should never intervene..
      the concepts of psychology state that if you stop talking about an issue, it may no longer stay in anyone's mind as time passes smile
      God never referred it hence. And this goes for vanny 2=CLEAN pls

    7. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The word "Homosexual" did not exist in Biblical times, we have created that word.

    8. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      jlpark - So you don't think that the forced orgies was part of the problem, and that God condones that behavior? It was part of the reason. I'm not saying the ONLY reason. What Lot did was wrong, he was trying to protect the angels in a messed up way

    9. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Jude 1:7 records that both Sodom and Gomorrah were "giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

    10. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sarah - Yada or 'to know' is translated only as 'to know' except for Gen - because of translator bias. Jesus speaks of the sins. But if u use that - u fine with Lot and his daughters incestuous relationship then? Because to ignore is to condone

    11. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I already said i wasn't OK with Lot's behavior, so I don't know what you think you are getting at. I'm just explaining the Christian perspective, I'm not a law maker and ultimately it's in their hands. So, don't misjudge me. I'm not ignorant at all.

    12. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yet you are still quite happy to use a verse out of context. It makes sense for the time it was written - in context. Removing it from both historical and verse context shows u only wish to use it to judge. Something that's Gods job not yr.

  10. jlpark profile image84
    jlparkposted 6 years ago

    The religious beliefs of some should not deny the rights of others. Particularly when the laws of the country are not dictated by the Bible.

    Sure if it were places where the holy book of the dominant religion dictates the law of the land - Muslim countries and such. Then there is no difference between law of book and law of land.

    Most countries however are founded on laws that provide equal rights to all regardless of gender, race, religion, ability or sexual orientation.

    NNew Zealand is one of those - and one who have recently given equal marriage to same-sex couples. The United States is also one of those - founded on the basis of freedom of religion (of also means from) - yet it hasn't yet extended it equal rights to its gay people. It'll get there - it was a bit slow on the race issue too!

    What side am I on? The side of equality. The right side of history. New Zealand has already got there. Come on USA.

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree wholeheartedly. Just like I value the ability to believe what I want and run my home how I want, I think others should have that same right. Thank you for your comments!

    2. profile image0
      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Where are your rights infringed upon Jlpark? Are we to believe raging homosexuals are a different species of humans that need special rights? Of course not! What makes you different is your sexual behavior. You're a human who deviates from nature.

    3. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Not special rights CJ, equal human rights. For something that is not a choice, we have less rights than you do with religion - something that is Most definitely a choice.
      The only place it is wrong - is in your religion - which is not for everyone

    4. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Gay people are already free to get married, and can sign papers affording them the same rights by law that straight couples do, so why is there even an argument about gay marriage? The government already recognizes domestic partnerships.

    5. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Why was the question asked? Why does it matter how people feel about gay marriage? Questions like this are asked when the author wants a crowd of people screaming on his/her side. "Great Job... You're Right". Opposing views are wrong, tested and ques

    6. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      So if you were offered a domestic partnership - would you take it? I doubt it. Equal does not mean separate. It does also not mean second rate. Dom Partnerships in the US deny gay people 1138 rights of marriage. Equal? I don't think so

    7. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      So do you then believe that polygamy should be OK if polygamists stand up and say their are being discriminated against? What about animal lovers who want to marry their dog? Where's the line of what's OK? This why Christians have a problem with it.

    8. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sarah - u didn't answer my question. Dom Partnership good enough for u? Polygamy is legal in some places. Was before bible also. Animals - stupid argument - marriage requires consent. Animals cannot consent. Comparing them is ignorant.

    9. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      My dear Sara: you are advertising your ignorance. Christian mentality is flawed to the max.

    10. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      jlpark - my answer is no. So you are saying marriage should be between 2 consenting adults and that's the line. OK. But not ALL people will agree that's where the line should be, just like all people don't agree on gay marriage and many other issues.

    11. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      So if you wouldn't take a second class form of marriage - why should two consenting adults of the same gender have to? Because we are 'lesser'?
      All people don't have to agree. But the law needs to treat people as equals - 2 people = marriage.

    12. profile image51
      abt79posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What if a man wants to marry his consenting adult granddaughter? No? But he LOVES her! Even if the "marriage" is unnatural and simply illogical, she certainly deserves RIGHTS, right?

  11. MickS profile image67
    MickSposted 6 years ago

    I don't 'feel' anything about it.  I 'think' that if male and female homosexuals wish to marry their partners, they, like everyone else, are free to do so, if it doesn't impinge upon the lives and rights of others.

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Nice. Thanks for your opinions!

    2. profile image0
      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I think we can see where your philosophy is wrong MickS. Homosexuals do not want to live their miserable lives in secret...they want your children to partake in their dastardly deeds as well. They want to legislate their sin into the fabric of life.

    3. MickS profile image67
      MickSposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That is a load of rubbish C J S, that is the fear that all homophobes have, that homosexuals of every stripe want to make everone else into homosexuals, they just want to live in peace like everone else.

    4. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Not all homosexuals feel that way, but many have become what I like to call "hetero-intolerant" where they have reversed the judgement (kinda like reverse racism--black people hating white people, etc). They'd love for everyone to be gay.

    5. MickS profile image67
      MickSposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's right Sarah, in the same way that there are 'homo-intolerant' heterosexuals who would only be happy if everyone was heterosexual, both ways is bigoted.

    6. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Mick S. - My point is that the judgement goes both ways, people judge Christians all the time, and have a negative attitude, without even knowing them. It's no different, it's still discrimination, yet the world doesn't usually recognize it as such.

    7. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sarah - respectfully I ask - so why do Christians insist on making every1 follow their rules & judging those who don't? If Christians r judged so much surely they would realise that judging others isn't nice and not do it to others? Respectfully,

    8. profile image51
      abt79posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Christians do not say that everyone should follow their bible, although we try to convince others to believe. We only insist upon ideas that make sense, even from an atheist or other non-christian point of view. I am not i homophobe.

  12. Escobana profile image72
    Escobanaposted 6 years ago

    I am a European women, brought up in Holland. What do I feel about this non-issue?

    I feel my believe in God is about spreading love. Accepting the other for who he/she is. I can see and feel the Love between two men, just as I can see and feel the Love between two women. That is beauty!

    Just like it is beauty to have gay/straight/foreign friends. We are all different but we are all human. We all love the same and we all hurt the same.

    I feel grateful for the fact that my Christian upbringing taught me to accept everyone for who he/she is, if this is what makes that person truly happy!

    1. VVanNess profile image94
      VVanNessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree wholeheartedly. Thank you for your insightful opinions!

    2. profile image0
      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Escobana...you seem like a nice lady, but I have a feeling your permissive attitude does not stem from love but from the inability to discern right from wrong. I can love my neighbor, but that doesn't mean I have to have sexual relations with them.

    3. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It's true that we should accept and love our fellow humans, because we are all sinners. But that doesn't mean we have to accept their sinful behavior. If I have a friend that's promiscuous, for example, I try guide her away from that behavior.

    4. Escobana profile image72
      Escobanaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ Sledgehammer..Who are you to judge if my attitude stems from something different than love? Do you KNOW me? I've read ALL your comments. I disagree with ALL of them but I accept you for having them and hope you live a happy and thruthful life.

    5. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      ignorance and stupidity hiding behind a religious facade does not make it more appropriate. Religious zealots need to stop pushing their agenda on those who are more informed than they are. Judging others is not religions place in our society.

    6. profile image51
      abt79posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What people obviously do not see is that God intended marriage to be between man and women, for the purposes of love AND to carry on the human race. I am not a homophobic, and being gay is not a sin, but gay "marriage" is not true marriage.

  13. Lady Guinevere profile image60
    Lady Guinevereposted 6 years ago

    It isn't an issue with me either.  As long as they wear their raincoats (condoms) to protect themselves they have that right.  I think Christianity is too stoic on the issue that it tells us to multiply and fill the earth.  What it really states is to RE-PLENISH it and we have done so and it is becoming on the overpopulation side.  Nowhere in that Bible does it state that everyone should multiply and I think Christianity has gone down the wrong path with all of this.  They seem to be blind to certain things.  Most of them want to marry for equality, not for just sex and those who think it is just about sex....get your heads out of you know where!  There was a program many years ago and two gay people that were old and one went into the hospital.  Both did not have any family left.  His partner was not permitted to see his partner because they were not considered family.  The guy in the hospital died completely alone and lonely......for what because of some religious bigotry.  I cried knowing that guy died alone and lonely and of the partner who survived him.  It's not all SEX people.  It's equal rights.

    1. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly - it's not about sex. It's about equal rights.

    2. Cantuhearmescream profile image77
      Cantuhearmescreamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      ...and companionship.

    3. Sarah Christina profile image83
      Sarah Christinaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      1) The idea that the earth is overpopulated is a total myth, we just consume too many resources and in a way that's destructive 2) I've never seen the hospital deny anyone from seeing anyone except on T.V. 3) They already have equal rights.

    4. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sarah - being denied hosp visitation rights happens all the time. Just because you've never seen it just means its never happened to you.

      No, we don't have equal rights. We are denied 1138 different rights merely because we cannot marry. 4 a start.

    5. profile image0
      CJ Sledgehammerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Wow...I never knew that homosexuality was not about sex...rather, it's about companionship, equality, love, honor, families, children, freedom, democracy, health, happiness, beauty and the purest expression of the American dream. Thanks guys!!!

    6. themushy profile image59
      themushyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ S just stole my heart by saying this big_smile

    7. Lady Guinevere profile image60
      Lady Guinevereposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      CJ, 1) U never answered my ? and 2) U blow all this way out of proportion.

    8. Compliance Doctor profile image72
      Compliance Doctorposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      lady Guinevere, you are absolutely correct.  Thank you so much for your comment and for being a woman of "think" versus "do".  So many people do as others say to do or feel as others say to feel and these types of folks do the planet no good.

  14. WalterPoon profile image75
    WalterPoonposted 6 years ago

    To me, what people do with their private life is none of my business. And if it is against the teachings of the Bible, it is between them and God. First of all, we do not know whether the Bible is correct or if it is indeed correct, whether our interpretation of the Bible is correct. At one time, the Church insisted that the sun was the center of the universe.

    1. d.william profile image74
      d.williamposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I just saw on T.V. yesterday that in a recent poll of evangelicals in this country 45% actually believe that the earth was created in 7 days - 10,000 years ago.  How brainwashed is that?

    2. xanzacow profile image68
      xanzacowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      @ d.william--God's "day" is supposedly a thousand years, and he took the seventh day as a Sabbath, So if this is correct, The creation of the heavens and the earth, and all living things, took six thousand years... not 7 days. I dont have enough room

    3. jlpark profile image84
      jlparkposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Xanza - where does it say this? I'd like to read that. (Not just saying - actually would like to read it)

    4. profile image51
      abt79posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      TIME IS A HUMAN INVENTION.
      God did not know time. for all we know, it could have taken him 7 trillion million quadrillion years!

 
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