Would you hire a boring old woman or a tall dark and handsome guy?

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incomenewsposted 15 years ago
A friend of mine came to me the other day as she was in dilema. You see she manages a shipping and transport company and her regular PA has gone off on maternity leave. Now she's had to hire a temp and she narrowed it down to two people.

One was an experienced but 48 year old lady who was "boring" in her opinion because she was very unfriendly and a little too serious. the other contender was a young 23 year old guy with no experience but very enthusiastic, charming, tall dark and handsome.

Well she eventually hired the guy and I asked her why and she said she just had the biggest crush on him and was more comfortable around him. Now I thought that wasn't fair that the experienced one gets the chop and the other barbie man gets hired.

Is that what the world is coming to these days? people are getting jobs because of their looks??
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well in many ways, i wouldn't say that its unfair simply because the man was charming enough to get the job. The lady, though experienced, didn't have the people skills to get the job.
  
  So it came down to which one impressed the manager more. If the lady was boring and uninteresting, then she lacked the skills to "sell" herself. And so i don't think she deserves the job more.
  
  "Getting" a job is a different game altogether than "doing" a job.
  
  The lady was better at doing the job, but the man was better at getting the job.
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  G Miahposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have to admit, i may have been hired for my job because of my looks (maybe), and this reminds me! One of my college tutors a few years back said i won't get jobs offered on a plate because of my looks, but i did! I think, anyway! Every job interview, bar one, i got the job! I have been on four job interviews in the last 6 years, and got offered in three, and that's without essential qualifications and experience, not bad.
  
  I have to admit, if i had a business, i would go for younger, enthusiastic, keen to learn employees than older and experienced people. This is because they will bring a new fresh look and feel to the workplace and motivate others with their energy.
  
  I have seen this happen in all jobs i've been in. I think she made the right decision, but let's just hope she doen't get carried away with the crush she has on him!
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  at the interview, it is usually the person who is enthusiastic who gets the job. if someone acts all grumpy or unfriendly, why would i want to work with them? but i wouldn't hire some guy just because he was cute
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  EYEAM4ANARCHYposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is hardly a recent development.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds stupid and unprofessional to me. Soon as he shows interest in a pretty young thang in the office or if he tells her he is gay, she is going to fire him. She should have made a business decision.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep! And really, women bosses usually are NOT that dumb.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Most of the women I worked for were all business and still a joy to work for. Incomenews knew this was the wrong decision for the wrong reasons. That's why it bothered her.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are correct, I think. And she basically made it known on another thread she was unemployed, etc.
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marcel285posted 15 years ago
I think she made the right choice. If someone is enthusiatic and keen, but no experience, then they can learn.

It's not nice working with grumpy people. Despite the womans experience, it's not worth it to have someone grumpy or negative in the work environment, because it will just bring others down.
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marcel285posted 15 years ago
And unfortunately, yeah people do get hired for their looks in some cases these days.

Once i went to get a job, i walked in a bar, the manager/boss was a 24 year old guy, he gave me a job then and there straight away. I believe it was because he was attracted to me.
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  incomenewsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well you are pretty if that you in your avatar
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marcel285posted 15 years ago
Thankyou, yes that is me. But looks don't mean anything you know, life has been a struggle for me, i have been witnessed to many terrible things, and i have endured a lot of suffering. So at the end of the day, looks mean very little.
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  incomenewsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  True looks don't mean a thing at all. I can agree with you that I have seen a fair share of trouble, pain and suffering in my life too. But hey at least we got to see 2010 eh?
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  marcel285posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah that's right. Life can be so awesome as well, you must forgive and forget the past, and look to the future with positivity.
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  advisor4qbposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can relate to what you are saying!
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marcel285posted 15 years ago
Well said Wesley, your dead right.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
I'd even hire a boring tall and handsome guy- He could be much older than me too
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
That excludes me.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Tall, eh Dark no, handsome, well.....
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
tall, dark, handsome and definitely not boring!! haha
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Wag The Dogposted 15 years ago
The 48 year old lady should have gotten the job. Based on what you said, the reasons for your friend hiring the young stud was not a professional choice, but one of lust. It may all work out fine, but in my opinion, it was the wrong choice. Nothing more than a piece of man candy. How disgusting...

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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will not hire this man, I cant concentrate when I will work with HIM
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  blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Omg I will take him no questions asked. I will give him time and a half with ten weeks holiday pay to take me to the Bahamas and feed me prawns LMAO. Roarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!
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  incomenewsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hell I'd hire him anytime!!
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, women sometimes don't use their brains, too.
  
  Age him 5-10 years and I might consider, uh, dating him. Don't know if I'd consider hiring him just based on the obvious qualifications shown, though.
  
  As to the OP...perky, enthusiastic men can be sooooo annoying, looks or no looks, . Probably, I'd consider broadening the job search pool.
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  alexandriaruthkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will hire this man as security guard of the building where we work, customer service hehehehe
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Wag The Dogposted 15 years ago
Ya, my wife loves Ryan Reynolds. I wouldn't let her work with him either. I would never see her again, and I am selfish that way...
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  prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hehehe
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WeddingConsultantposted 15 years ago
A boring old woman.

I wouldn't want any competition!
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
First off we do not know if the woman was boring, that could just be the lady's interpretation. There are often people that are quiet and not as social, but they can be a very hard workers. Just because a person is not excited does not mean they are not capable of great work. However, it was her choice, but it is rather unfortunate the more experienced candidate was dismissed simply because they were not as charismatic. That is almost a form of personality discrimination, and this employer might want to be careful. Their employment decisions could come back to haunt them later down the line.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  personality discrimination?
  
  don't give lawmakers any new ideas. please.
  
  the lady didn't get the job because even though she was experienced, she failed to convince anyone why she should have the job. if it took excitement to get the job, then she was not qualified, i think.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey not giving anyone ideas, but she is well within her rights to pursue this if she was denied employment. Yes it is a form of personality discrimination, and I have seen this happen many a time. Us introverts often get the short end of the stick for not being more outgoing.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  is that choice? being introverted.
  
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  is it not within your means to express yourself at all times?
  
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  introversion comes from the inability to express one's true intentions does it not? for fear of being judged, lack of care, selfishness. there is a plethora of reasons. but one cannot be judged for being receptive to a person who expresses his or herself. Introverts choose not to be heard or understood, so in essence, a lot of times they choose the short end of the stick, i think.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but you really do not know much about introverts. Many are not outgoing, and some are because they feel society expects them to be. No offense, but no one chooses the short end of the stick, and someone hiring a person based solely on being good looking or outgoing is setting themselves up for failure. I have actually heard of situations where people regret hiring people like that because they often use their outgoing personality to charm people, and to cover their weaknesses.
  
  On the other hand the quiet candidate might have been able to do the job, she just would not have been as "exciting" to talk to. Honestly, when I hear some people talk about popularity it feels as if we have not evolved past junior high, but maybe that is just me.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well you don't need to assume what i don't know. i used to be one and found it a waste of time. there are some things I am introverted about, and some things I am extraverted about. i wouldn't be dumb enough to limit myself to being called an "introvert". introversion is a limiting behavior was all I was pointing out, so try not to take offense. For some it can be the opposite. But if you want a job that requires working with people, introversion will not take the cake.
  
  i was merely pointing out thatmost times introversion is a choice. people who don't speak up will not be heard.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but many intelligent people do consider themselves introverts because they are comfortable in their own skin. They have learned who they are and they are okay with that. As I said such because someone is introverted does not mean they are not good at conversations, they are just not as social and gregarious and a few would like. Seriously, there are many introverts in the work force, and many have pretty good positions too. With that being said I would not go out for some of the more social positions, but in a way the world has not evolved past junior high. I admire those authentic souls that remain true to themselves despite what our culture considers to be the norm. That is truly amazing .
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Star Witnessposted 15 years ago
http://hubpages.com/hub/Sherlock-Holmes … -Introvert

Educational moment.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
As a life long introvert I have acquired to the skills to be outgoing in conversations, but in the past I know I was glossed over for a few sales positions because I did not come off as a "people person". Never mind, I would not want a job like that anyway. I like the Yahoo group the introverts retreat, there are quite a few interesting discussions there. Interesting hub, thanks for sharing!
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Welcome, SP. Introverts get a bad rap. The fact of the matter is, they have definite advantages extroverts do not have.
  
  And as I've matured, I guess, I've become absolutely more 'outgoing...' Somewhat advantageous, but also I feel I have lost something...like concentration. They say writing and the artistic fields are the ultimate introvert professions. For that, you need to look within, center, and concentrate. Hard to do when doing Miss Social Butterfly stuff. I look forward to the day when I can be more introverted again, frankly.
  
  And yeah, who'd want a sales job, anyway?
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TLMinutposted 15 years ago
Hey! I'm a boring, bit too serious 48 year old woman...and I want to hire that guy! (What's the job again? Oh, never mind, who cares?! )
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
At work enjoy talking to people about books and the like, but I am introverted in the sense I am not social party going type. I have no need for it, and really do not apologize for it. Actually now that I am in my thirties I am very comfortable with not being the going out type, and it has advantages for me all around. Want to start publishing articles in print, and continuing to work on my hubs. I have always been more artistically inclined to begin with, but my concentration ebbs because I tend to multitask. I do have hardcore concentration at times, and I also have a work ethic that kind takes people aback.

That is why I hate to see experienced candidates passed over for someone who make everyone feel more comfortable. I understand in the business field that is desired, but as you said could they not have broadened their candidate search. Just sounds like this employer will have problems down the road if they are hiring people because of looks. I also have had a few acquaintances that were hired because the boss fancied them. They never admitted to it, but I have an inkling that a couple of more qualified candidates were passed up because of them.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  a person is not qualified if they can not convince someone why they are.
  
  so in actuality, it is not the employer who is causing the problem, but the person who is not expressing their ability to get the job done. They create a lose-lose situation. It's not up to the employer to pry in order to find out who is qualified.
  
  If i were in the employer's shoes, I wouldn't hire someone for their looks, but I would rather work with someone who is willing to speak their mind and makes their feelings known.
  
  someone who is mainly introverted tends to cause more problems by holding things inside, and then letting it all out at once in a reactionary manner.
  
  no one is asking you to apologize for being introverted. however, you can't expect people to understand where you're coming from if you don't let them know.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And I can testify that being hired for looks frankly, sucks. Scenario: Much older bar owner, young college age cocktail waitress, serious about school. Recipe for disaster. Personal knowledge.
  
  And I work in PR, lol. One advantage I have over my predecessor is that I can actually write, and former acquaintance mag. and newspaper editors know that (influence of another kind). Therefore, our PR is published quite a bit. Another reason is that I am more likely to want to feature other employees and give them credit for their work and contributions to highlight our industry, rather than have my face plastered on TV and voice blabbing on the radio..... Frankly, a lot of the 'sales,' 'party goer,' 'extrovert' personality is the American excuse for being narcissistic.
  
  Often, yes, the employer's mistake and loss.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately there are probably many situations where people get hired for looks or personality, and yes this is the way of the world. However, at least some people do not solely rely on that aspect, and actually go on to prove themselves. Guess in the end the it does work out for those who work the hardest. The world was never fair anyway .
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TLMinutposted 15 years ago
Honestly, it depends on how necessary charisma is to the job. I don't know what the PA is (public accountant?) but boring, serious, and hardworking are fine for certain jobs, better even. Then others require personality. I've known people that can sell anything, even when a customer comes in to complain - they leave happy and with new products or contracts, it's great. I could never in my life do that. It all depends on what's needed.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. And surprisingly, the main attribute of an introvert is that they can do everything an extrovert can do--including charm and persuade and sell. They just need down time, too...oh, and there have been studies about, uh, intelligence concerning introverts, too. Won't state the findings here, though,
  
  Suffice it to say, my bf, an introvert, can knock the socks off selling architectural concepts, but he is not a partier or a 'true' sales type...nor would I appreciate him if he was.
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
being an introverted salesman. that's kind of a catch 22.

i don't think looks has much to do with it. Even the most aesthetically pleasing person can be considered ugly without a personality.

i'd be more attracted to a woman who believes in her mind that she is the prettiest and exudes it in her attitude.

it's all about attitude.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously, Wesley. Read the Hub. Also a book called "The Introvert Advantage." It isn't what they'd have you think (I take it you are in your 20's?). Some of our best and brightest are introverts... This might help you out.
  
  Now you did post that thread about being open to things, didn't you?
  
  And yeah, the bf isn't a sales person per se, but he sells what he loves: Architecture. Last time I checked (it's been 5 years), he seems successful, and self-employed.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i wasn't even talking about your bf. i didn't read your post before i put that down. you should practice this introversion thing a little better.
  
  i never said introverts weren't smart or capable. I said they are likely not to be heard.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't assuming you WERE talking about my bf...did not take it at all personally. It was a point of general discussion and I offered an example and an interesting hub and book. That's a mistake I think someone not that experienced in conversation may have made. lol And thanks for the input, but I think I'll listen to my own inner voice (introversion), and rely upon the info. I have read on the subject.
  
  Books and knowledge and different points of view really are NOT that bad of things, honestly.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  way to not take responsibility for your words.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Um, no, kid. I don't lie. I'm said exactly what I wanted to say here.
  
  A 40 year old man with two kids making over $100,000 a year doesn't need reassurance of a forum poster on hubpages, and neither do I regarding him (only said to prove my words, btw).
  
  Only reason I told you about the book is that it sounds like you as a somewhat introverted personality went though much of what we all went through, and it may be interesting to you and could help you. No other reason.
  
  If you recall, I defended your previous posting on other threads. Now I'm thinking the teacher (Mr. Bogle) might have had a point.
  
  Cheers! And good luck with sales, if that's what you want, .
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ridiculous. Offering a book to read is an insult now on hubpages.
  
  Well, appreciated your quip about poetry the other day. Some maturity needed, obviously.
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  Rochelle Frankposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think the opposite is also true-- a person can be physically unattractive, yet still have a kind of quiet confidence and compassion that shines through.
  
  Also, I am often put off by an "outgoing" salesperson.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I actually have walked to the opposite end of the store to avoid some of those people .
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't many of us. Loud is not appealing.
  
  And when I worked in sales, some of the best sales people were the quiet ones who actually LISTENED to people. Again, I think there is a mistake made: We are sold a bad load of goods in high school with 'popularity,' etc. Yeah, tell the medical student that cheerleader-like capacity is what it takes to succeed.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have a feeling this is a lesson he may have to learn the hard way. He is being pretty insistent right now, and if his sales strategy is at all like this, well I am not buying what he is selling. Harvey also tries to tell me what I should think, and I was pretty tacit about how I was not going to buy that either.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why do outgoing people "put you off"?
  
  and the first thing you said wasn't opposite at all. It was exactly what I meant in my post. that attitude is important, not looks.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
Many introverted women have attitude. Attraction means different things to different people. I have had some pretty haughty, yet attractive guys, approach me, but I was not interested because they came off as being a little too narcissistic as it were. So not everyone wants to be a sales person, and you would be surprised. I am confident I am just as attractive as the girl who is out there talking to everyone in the club. I just do not have to be on display to feel this way. Different people are certainly attracted to different things.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. And a thing about those kind of attractions is that they have a very shallow element. I think it takes a little experience to figure this out...because a lot of us were fed that same line of crap in high school.
  
  And agreed, true confidence is about being comfortable in your own skin. The most attractive thing.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have still been in social situations where people think it is high school. One of my acquaintances knows she has this hold over men because of her lithe body, and her cute looks. She often says contradictory things about how she hates people being perceived a certain way, but unfortunately her looks have helped her in many situations. It got to the point I had to tell her I actually think she got the last few jobs because of this, especially since she had romantic interludes with several men that hired her.
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
introverts are capable of great things. they can also be very self involved, expecting people to notice them. lots of times, i have been in situations where I would have appreciated someone's opinion, or could have used the information they held back simply because they thought having sole access to that info gave them some sort of "quiet" power.

it goes both ways. introverts are not any better, but some of their qualities are better.
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blue dogposted 15 years ago
uh-oh.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  blue, don't bother. you can't have debate here. there's too many people still pining over high school. adding a valid opinion got me attacked and now I have lessons to learn.
  
  beware.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well, i don't know about the debate thing, but you've got a discussion going with two of the finest on the site. you're a lucky guy.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Which one are you?
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hope you and harv have figured out the bull from the stud:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELTA1U6F … ature=fvwp
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Must be Star, star leaves and you show up.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Incorrect. He (also a friend), doesn't like offensive remarks for no real reason, however.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shuuuuuuuure, what ever you say.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it's strange how that works.
  
  now you're really confused.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not confused at all
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, BD and I are friends. He's a photographer and architectural designer and lives in TX (could even be my boyfriend, actually, lololol. Resembles him in what he does at least...haha).
  
  But NO, I'm a photographer and writer who lives in another SW state, so! You see we are not one and the same. But believe what you want! You do in other threads, we see that.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you said it so it must be true
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, my.
  
  Ditto...or whatever. I read your hub. I saw your reaction to pgrundy's thread. One of the finest writers we have had here.
  
  Just. Oh, my.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Losing her was a devastating blow to hubpages income I'm sure.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Much more in PR value and money than would be losing you. That's just an honest fact.
  
  Can't you be kind to anyone? Like I said, apparently people are just here to be unpleasant now.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, just knowing who you are is reason enough to hang around to see what will offend you next.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Huh? That doesn't even make sense.
  
  Are you very bored or something?
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He probably wants to flirt. They consider fighting to be enticing for some odd reason.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Odd" is right. Still the same things going on here. Why are you back in the forums, SP, anyway?
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I should not be perhaps .
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes, both of you should be here. you have no idea what it's like when you two are awol.
  
  fortunately william is around some, along with ralph, and yes, wesley. the true breaths of fresh air are so few and far between these days.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am indecisive at times and say I should stay away, but then I always feel drawn back. I like seeing what Starr, Ralph, and you all have to say though .
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wish the forums were as they were a few months ago. ...me, too, SP.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  actually, butt-wipe, assets to any community are not based solely on their financial worth. there are leaders who are respected because of the contribution they make thru inspiration and leadership. it's obvious to the entire planet as they read this thread or any others that you participate in how pathetically absurd is your ability to bring enlightenment into any discussion.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ""butt-wipe" That's funny and so very mature. Thanks for bringing enlightenment to the thread, priceless.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh, to be so lucky...
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hear teachers as gf's are quite nice, though. lol
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one is pining over high school, just adding other view points. Actually the point about the high school/junior high thing is a social being is not all it is cracked up to be. As adults we need to get past thinking just because someone is reserved that they would not be a good candidate for a job. Given some positions require a degree of more social interaction than others, but there needs to be more than one criteria for hiring someone.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  somebody was pining. it wasn't you though.
  
  i don't think the idea is that someone who is reserved isn't a good candidate, but more that the person's good qualities are overshadowed by their reservations. the most talented person in the world wouldn't be given the time of day if they never showed their talents.
  
  what criteria do you think should be involved in that process? how would you do it?
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not an HR expert, but maybe you should ask Starr. He seems to have some good ideas about this.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She, SP, We are friends, lol. You know who I am, write? Emails, much??
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you can give him some good advice, but he will have to be open to it .
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i would, but Starr seems to think the world revolves around him and his salary. but maybe he does have good ideas. hopefully we might hear them when he calms down and starts to debate instead of attack. not very HR right now.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He is calm and whereas $100,000 is a good salary, keep in mind he earned it. He had to start some where, and he was willing to listen to get there.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i'm not questioning his integrity in the work place. I don't know the guy.
  
  i'm sure he worked hard to get it. that's not the issue. none of this has to do with the issue.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually it does because you have proclaimed him as being anxious, which I have not got at all. However, he left the conversation, so I guess it is up to him if he wants to come back and add more.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He was actually a She. haha, replying to one of your comments, i think I offended HER.
  
  well anwyway, she's done, so i would like to get back on topic.
  
  do you honestly think that employers should be more aggressive in unearthing the past experience of introverted applicants?
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believe the best employer would gather a large group of qualified employees. Past and current experience should always be accounted for.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay so here's a scenario:
  
  you are interviewing two people for a sales position. One person has worked with several Fortune 500 companies while the other has only done some outside sales and membership sales.
  
  The first person is reserved, sitting back in their chair, nonchalant and introverted, seeming not to really be involved or passively expecting to be hired without any issues. They seem unexcited and unmotivated to fill your position and though they have had previous experience, are a little jaded and quite frankly, boring. This man is over 40, balding, dressed badly and somber in their body language and facial expressions.
  
  The second person, though less experienced, has shown up with two copies of their resume, filled out the application on line, called several times to check up on the application process. They are very involved in the interviewing process, asking many questions and even adding ideas, expressing a knack for the job in question. This is an attractive, charismatic young lady.
  
  How do you respond to this scenario?
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Interview more candidates. Hardly ever a real-life situation you are posing. Just cliche. And I more resemble the latter candidate...and as I said before, have been hired on the basis of my looks.
  
  Serious women want to be hired for their ability level. Everything generally works out better that way.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sweetie never offends me, sorry. As stated before, we are friends. She used 'he' for a specific reason.
  
  Your tone and your absolute need to take offense were slightly offensive, however. Honestly, if you took that tack in an interview, I would see it as a problem...quote, quote, 'outgoing' or not.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i thought you were done.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  'Discussing' with you, yeah. But like I say, SP is a friend, as I said.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Likewise I admire your expertise, and enjoy having knowledgeable friends such as yourself. Blue Dog is also a good friend to have around, and he makes some cogent points .
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you're still going.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Never happen
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dear, I thought you said you had no problem reading or expressing yourself. I am the gf of this guy. You did previously talk about my bf, right?
  
  Done here. Not worth it.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Since I work in PR, attend parties regularly for the job (woop), don't think I was pining for high school.
  
  I may pine for more introverted time in order to write more books, however.
  
  Silly, silly.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All we can do is hope
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Any reason you are in the middle of the conversation? Oh, yeah, just to be unpleasant.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unpleasant? I'm hoping you find some alone time, that's unpleasant?
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No worries, BD, . This forum is just going south faster (oh, don't take that personally!) and faster. I'm thinking of ONLY publishing hubs, or getting off all together, like pgrundy.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
I like publishing hubs and doing other things too. I am not going to let a few bad experiences sour me on Hubpages. I actually like it for my backlinking. I do make some money here after all, and one day when I publish a book I think it will be of benefit to me . I understand pgrundy wanting to leave though, but I still think there is value in staying.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
It would depend on the situation to be frank. I might choose the older man if I did a background check and was able to determine he had certified real world experience in this field. If the lady were trying that hard though, I can maybe see choosing her. However, the looks thing would have nothing to do with it for me because, seriously, I am more interested in picking the qualified person.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i mentioned the looks to see if you would pay attention to it.
  
  would past accomplishments overshadow present motivation?
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
I would hire a pretty girl
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
this forum is fucked. we were starting to go good there. people, you need to really let this nonsense go.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah. Equally, see how 'older' people are, sometimes...
  
  Though it does cut to the heart of what you were previously talking about... Flash or substance. (As you see, pgrundy had substance, and a lot of it.)
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shinujohn2008posted 15 years ago
Dark handsome one is ok
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
i think that, replying to the original thread, women are way more likely to make business decisions based on emotion than men are. No matter how bad an argument got between me and my male superiors, I was never given the silent treatment. Though most (not all) female superiors I had, I had to tread carefully more often.

I think that choosing the attractive male was more an emotional decision than a rational one.

SweetiePie, i think that your approach to hiring through application review and past experience sounds more like a male perspective (at least from what I've experienced, not judging the entire workplace). Do you think in this example, that was the case?
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Um, I realize you are addressing SP, but I find the whole tone, "women are emotional," etc. very insulting.
  
  I find the opposite to be true. Especially among successful women in any sphere...they are, as Friendly said, almost always "all business," because they've had to be. Men are more likely, often, to hire women subordinates based on looks.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  don't be so insulted. it is more than true that women have a lot more issues with hormones and emotions than men do. I wasn't pointing it out as a negative.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, that just sounds like commentary from one of those "change of life" films from the 1950's .
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess PMS, pregnancy and monthly bleeding from the vagina are all just myths.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now we are sounding very high school.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He really wanted to list all of that out. Sorry Wesley, but I do not think women have a tendency to act more emotional than men. Actually, I have met quite a few drama kings in my day!
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and I think that you are in denial, a little bit.
  
  I actually see the ability to look at things emotionally as part and parcel of femininity and a strength. You should be proud of that. I think that it's women trying to be equal to men instead of being themselves that overshadows that ethic.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wesley,
  
  You really need to let women think for themselves. I think your intentions are noble, but, many women I have met are actually far less emotional than many men. Men and women are equals and it is not about "trying," because we have evolved past that mentality. Now more women are accepted to law school than men, which used to be considered a field that was too "logical" for women.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i understand what you mean, but I think you missed the point of what i was trying to say.
  
  what i was trying to say is that, women, instead of thinking for themselves, creating their own sciences and theories, mastering their own laws and creating their own identities, have resorted to simply trying to be "equal" and NOT thinking for themselves in many cases. Instead of creating their own incomes and taking power into their own hands, have been trying to mimic the man. I think that the ability to perceive and apply emotional aptitude is a strength for females and quite possibly the solution to things like war and poverty, symptoms of patriarchal "thinking". I wasn't saying women weren't deserving or capable of doing things men do, but rather, they are capable of doing things differently and simply...don't.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  some women...
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you're right. i should have included that word. thanks Blue
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wesley,
  
  Do not take this the wrong way, but is English your first language?
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes, why?
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Uh, feminism circa 1980's. ? Or just perhaps another way of saying the same kinda insulting, emotional stuff displaying a certain attitude towards women? Or..?
  
  "Love and Will" is a good book... All people have an innate will to use their creativity. Male or female. I cannot possibly write all that should be said, but it is well said in that book.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OMG.
  
  whatever i say insults you, it seems. i do not understand at all how anything i said was insulting (except for excluding the word "some" which Blue has pointed out).
  
  and what attitude do you think i take toward women?
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have managed to offend the most offended person on Hubpages. Congratulations!
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  haha thanks mitch, though i don't think i'm trying very hard at all.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Paternalistic and a little silly. I'd say you don't have that much experience (just from what I've seen.)
  
  Have you met RK Henry? (I'm assuming you ARE a young black man...at least you do sound like it.) He'd never be saying some of the things I've heard you say. His GF would verbally abuse him, and he doesn't seem to want it any other way.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think all Black people know each other? That is the most offensive thing I have ever seen.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK, I see you are the one provoking. I said have you 'met' RK, a friend of mine.
  
  And no, my black boyfriend would never have said any of the things you have said here....which are offensive, and I'm sure probably fun or something for you.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is your best friend black?
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh gosh. you are really...i don't even know what to say to you. You are so blatantly trying to offend me, further proving everything I said. Trying to say that I'm silly, I don't have much experience. what is your motive here? really?
  
  you know absolutely nothing about me. but you pretend to know so much.
  
  I sound like a black man? And what does a black man sound like? enlighten me.
  
  Now you are just getting increasingly ignorant by the second. Not to mention you can look at my picture and tell that I am an African American man.
  
  I was just joking with you previously, but now, I think you are...i'm trying to look for a nicer word than stupid.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Star. Do you happen to be Caucasian?
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is not appropriate. Let us move beyond it, okay .
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ridiculous is what it is.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And female. What gave it away?
  
  I'm not offended.
  
  And I still think your views are silly and paternalistic. And no, Robert would never hold them.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well its good that I asked, and didn't assume.
  
  if you don't know what gave it away, you should print this conversation out and give it to your boyfriend. He might tell you what gave it away.
  
  as per insulting women, i think you just take the word emotional in a negative context, and you think that I am posing it in a negative context. I don't think that any rational woman would have been insulted and would have at least by now, given me a compelling argument.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not really, Wesley, because a rational woman would see most of your postings as nothing more than provocations. I also don't feel like writing a thesis (already wrote a paper a while ago to that effect).
  
  And I should explain (but no doubt you'll make crap out of this, too) that I've sort of got this ability to tell a lot about a person from their words... Ie, met both of my last boyfriends online, writing. I think poets sort of have this ability... And I did study linguistics. Hey--it could even be that emotional sense you are talking about. lol Who knows.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  don't call yourself rational. you are everything but. A rational women would have convinced me of the plot holes in my argument, which I know are there, you simply are not intelligent enough to unearth them. You just get offended and think I'm trying to provoke you.
  
  and you have so far told nothing true about me from my words, except for looking at my picture and saying that I was Black.
  
  You are obviously in love with yourself and your "abilities". You think having an African American boyfriend means you understand me and have the right to call Mitch racist because of where you thought he was from.
  
  You are another silly little girl with a large sense of entitlement. Be offended. Be provoked.
  
  You are a victim and want people to like you and/or pay attention to you.
  
  Mitch, you can have at it man, you are on your own now. My head hurts from dealing with this. Really, where is Bovine when you need him?
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'm simply not that interested or inspired. Nice strawman, though. If you don't understand, create something to get upset by. I'll just say you are being impolite. OK?
  
  You have convinced me to be done with these forums, though. Thanks. I think I needed it.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Her words will stand for all to see, I think any RATIONAL person can see the hatred in the statements. Should be reported for hate speech!
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  stop blowing hot air then, and go report it.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sorry, wesley, you've got some of this wrong. most glaring is the credit you give to the troll.
  
  regardless, it's been a good discussion and some day you and star might agree on a few things. in fact, i'm quite sure of it.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you don't need to apologize Blue.
  
  i was trying to stay light hearted, and I still am. Hopefully one day we do agree, but some things that were said to me clearly lacked any type of compassion or duality. Do you not see that?
  
  I don't even know where Star stands in the debate because I was constantly told simply that I was wrong instead of "why" I was wrong, instead of being convinced through a logical debate, which I would have been receptive to.
  
  there might still be a chance, but i won't respond to bickering any more.
  
  As per Mitch, I understand where he's coming from. If you let him offend you, then you misunderstand him. I think he's quite funny.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, you won't get anything from these two other than "I'm an Author" and the dog says "Your boyfriend is so lucky". Intellectual debate is the farthest thing from their minds.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  live, the red state debate team, featuring harv and stitch c.rap:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWL1YY90u_w
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. Actually, I knew RK was black (that is supposed to be an ignorant thing?), because of the way he expressed himself (semanitcs, yeah?). And was right. He was not offended. You definitely are trying to provoke...
  
  I would say you have similar expression and are representing yourself here visually so, so I assume you are. And of course you know about dialects, Eubonics and have studied linguistics as I have?
  
  But thank you. You prove to be more and more what Allan Bogle said. Sorry.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Crawfishing
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And the current bf has told me what part of TX you come from. Not pretty. What an unlikely alliance. Don't imagine you voted for the sitting president, right?
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its not pretty? Doesn't know much about where I'm from, glad you have a boyfriend though.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, Waco. I've heard.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Waco? Blanco, Hill Country very beautiful.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Right. Whatever. Your 'views' on the political forum are very Waco. And I honestly don't really care.
  
  Must be delightful to be so bored to go through all those manipulations.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "very Waco" How sad and empty your life must be, hatred towards other races and other places is draining on your soul.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kartika Damon has written a very good hub about the Republican party and projecting.
  
  A very telling statement you made here.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice try!
  
  This is very telling
  
  "Paternalistic and a little silly. I'd say you don't have that much experience (just from what I've seen.)
  
  Have you met RK Henry? (I'm assuming you ARE a young black man...at least you do sound like it.) He'd never be saying some of the things I've heard you say. wink His GF would verbally abuse him, and he doesn't seem to want it any other way. smile"
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OH, my God. That was a joke. Geez. Trust me, if RK was on the thread, he'd get it.
  
  Don't take it wrong, but I do not trust anything a certain type of a Republican says. Or someone trying to be unpleasant. And you are. Sorry.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A joke? Right, RKHenry who claimed Sandra Rinck was a racist for a whole lot less? Yeah, I'm sure he'd get the joke. Your feelings have been expressed now live with them.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i wouldn't call it hatred. i would call it ignorance.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you're right, sad.
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  creepyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unbelievable
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, and I'm sure it may be easier for you to believe that. I noticed the copious listing as well. Slightly telling, almost emotional.
  
  There is actually a logic to semantics usage, you know.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are so...clever, aren't you?
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I never needed to sleep with a boss to get ahead on any front. Academic or in the professional arena, if that is what you mean.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  that is not at all what i mean. in fact, i retract that statement.
  
  i was referring to your not so subtle attacks, trying to use the word "emotional" over and over to try and provoke me or...whatever. how what i said was...telling. even though you clearly misunderstand just about everything I say.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK> That is the point. So--calling women "emotional" isn't an attack?
  
  Rest my case.
  
  And no, I don't need to provoke, and wasn't. I do mean what I said in the last post, though. That is an old school take on feminism. And my comments were my own way around your words, which I did take to be a subtle attack. As is calling women 'emotional.'
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I just completely disagree, sorry. That's just a cliche.
  
  And frankly, I've never heard of many women in the work sphere freaking out and leaving their wives for secretaries and the like. Politicians having life-ruining affairs usually are not female, either.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well what's the ratio of female politicians to male politicians? that might play a hand in the likeliness of a man being caught in the act rather than a woman.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But the sex partner is usually a woman from their staff trying to get ahead!
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Except in new jersey!
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's where the "usually" comes from.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not among my peer group. Doesn't work out very well, either, actually. You want to be seen as an equal, not a as some slut....
  
  And believe it or not, intelligence and ability do have a habit of flushing the wheat from the chaff in the end.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course your peer group would be the exception
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, sir. Cannot say I've ever known anyone that slept with their boss to get ahead. Apparently you have, though. Good for you. We don't go around in the same circles. How unusual is that?
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Would you know if someone did that?
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hence, the term "I have never known." "Not in my peer group." Capiche? No friends of mine have ever done it. They would not be my friends.
  
  And I currently mainly work with men in their 30's, not Ken dolls, either, with a female boss.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The real truth is you do not know. I doubt many woman would admit to that, even though the majority of employees who sleep with their superiors are women.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  NO. What I said is my peer group: Ie, friends, have not slept with bosses to get ahead. I have no idea frankly, where you come from, but I don't live anywhere near that sort of gutter. Also, I think your 'facts' may not be facts, but some made up scenario in your head.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever you say, I am sure the sexual history of your friends is quite well known to you. And yeah, its probably not a fact I could prove.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well, of course. what are the choices? pelosi? hutchison? clinton?
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  they say politics is hollywood for ugly people.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well...Star I'm not too comfortable with all these female teachers grabbing boys out of the classroom. What's wit dat?
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Blond ambition? lol
  
  Who knows. But I've noticed they are almost always dye-job blonds. Except for the original. Now SHE was just mental. A thirteen year old!
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How did we get to Mary K? She and her kind are not the typical female teachers, rest assured. Mary K had a very repressed religious upbringing, and her father cheated on his wife. Later on her husband cheated on her, and let us just say, she needed help! She did not deal with betrayal the way an average person would.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Star and I were not even thinking about Mary K. She was crazy. We were talking about unprofessional Men and Women.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I thought you were talking about Mary K. She really needed help, and was very sick. Glad she is happy now, but why or why. Creepy!
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  young cougars practicing for the inevitable mid-life crisis.
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's exactly my experience. I dont know of any women bosses that had the luxury of making stupid decisions.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i have had that luxury a few times. I'm not judging the whole female race based on it, i'm just adding it to the debate.
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
it seems that most of the women on this thread are justifying the lady's decision to choose the rookie handsome guy over the experienced boring lady.

ignorance prevails.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, maybe that's what you want to see.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well you can go back and count how many times that picture of the handsome muscular actor has been copied with a response "I would hire this guy in heart beat!"
  
  you shouldn't sense so much negativity all the time. let go of all those useless emotions. laugh a little bit.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's the point. Those were joke posts. I separate the two. Among those being serious, I don't think it is the case.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i'm not sure it's ignorance at all. perhaps a small bit of the cougar syndrome. really, until the photoshopped studmuffin appeared, the decision could have gone either way. sex sells, and it works as easily for women as men, as some of the responses on this thread indicate.
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wesleyacarterposted 15 years ago
bickering intellectuals can be so damn boring. it kinda defeats the purpose of the term intellectual.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So many intellectuals on the internet
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  Friendlywordposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Come on Wesley! You had some long, drawn out, knock down drag out fights since you been here! Admit it!
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  are you referring to my quips with Earnest?
  
  oh we're not fighting man. that's just how we communicate. I love that guy
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
I have had a friend who had a relationships with several of her bosses, but never wrote her off as a person. She had a really challenging home life where her father was not around, and some weird ideas about authority figures. I am not justifying what she did, but I was not going to end my friendship over her actions. I let her know what I thought about it, and she admitted it was wrong. She finally went to counseling to get help with this, and has moved on.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are a good friend
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well this person had her flaws in that one area, but when it came to other things she understands me more than anyone I have met. We grew up together, and we have had our trials, but we are still friends. We are not as close as we once were, but as life moves on people often become more distant for various reasons.
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  Mitch Rappposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So true.
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Friendlywordposted 15 years ago
Can I put something out there. I dont think women are free to be themselves until they are established in their field, just like men. If you look at a female attorney in a court room; you dont mistake her for a man in any way. If you check out a women that owns her own business; I think you would see a more relaxed woman as compared to a woman trying to make it up the corporate ladder. Women that have to compete in a Mans World have to lose some of themselves as women...I think.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think it is getting better than that by now, friendly. Still, the corporate world is still hard.
  
  But you are one of the voices of reason here.
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Mitch Rappposted 15 years ago
What possible difference could it make where I'm from, I mean it has to be pretty or my opinion is null and void?
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  an emphatic yes. in fact, it's a rather stupid question.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
It really does not matter where anyone was from. Location is a state of mind, but when you start writing hubs about how people from Michigan fall into a certain category, then maybe you should not be so offended if someone makes a comment about where you are from.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
I guess the recipient did not get the meaning of my last message LOL.
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Friendlywordposted 15 years ago
This started out as a very good and important discussion. You two really dont have an argument here. You both made some very good points. I enjoyed this thread.
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  Star Witnessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What it is (the disintegration), is a couple people playing and trying to provoke. If it were not for you, BD, SP, Sufi, Ralph and a few others...? I dunno...
  
  But thanks, Friendly.
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brimancandyposted 15 years ago
I didn't really read all of the rants on this page. But, from what I understand, this tall handsome man is only temporary until the other employee returns from leave. Is that correct?

At any rate, there was a report on televison about this exact same topic. They took two people, both of them very attractive, and sent them around to job interviews to see if they would get hired. Both of them were well recieved, and were given on the spot interviews. They were also both hired by a few of the places that they went.

They then took the same two people, and used makeup to drastically change their appearance, and sent them back to the same companies, with the exact same experience, even better, only less attractive. And, they were not received well at all.

There was one that the poor girl went to, where she was hired, when she went to the same company not so attractive, she couldn't even get past the receptionist, and the guy who hired her left and walked by her without so much as eye contact.

The guy was treated only slightly better than her, and was actually hired by the person who hired him the first time.
But that was the only person out of 6 who had hired both of them before.

They went back to the companies with the videos from both interviews and blew their minds! They were pretty much speachless, and the poor girl said, that it was the most degrading thing she ever did. They were downright rude to her, especially the receptionist at the one business.

As a side note, I sat in on some job interviews, and I remember seeing by boss interviewing this very handsome young guy, and I said to a couple girls I worked with. I said, see that guy, I bet she hires him on the spot. We made a bet. They lost.

We were training him 3 days later. Gorgeous, like a model.
He didn't stay long, he got a better job in a mens clothing store. Good for him. I wonder what he's doing now.
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  wesleyacarterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  that is very telling. A lot of times, beauty will get you in the door a lot quicker.
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HoopSkirtManposted 15 years ago
A couple of these guys sure do not know how dramatic us dudes can be. I wear a hoopskirt, but I AM A Man!
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