Please help me understand the gender neutral bathroom policy of Target and the D

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   jackclee lmposted 8 years ago

   Please help me understand the gender neutral bathroom policy of Target and the DOJ?
   
   I am appealing to people in the LGBT community. Please help me understand this issue and why it is so important to them and to Target and to our Justice Department. First, do all LGBT agree with this policy and second, why it is thrust into the forefront among so many other problems at this period in time. Finally, are there better solutions to deal with teen suicides and school bullying and gender identity discrimination without having to change how we use public restrooms?  I don't want to belittle this problem but just want to understand it. Thanks for your help.

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   They said that you can use the bathroom or changing rooms based on the gender you feel like.
   So a guy with male organs says he's a girl, he gets to use the women's bathrooms and women's changing rooms.
   
   Regarding gender identity discrimination - these individuals are mentally ill, like the delusional who think they are historical famous people or anorexics who see fat when they are starving. But because it is a mental disorder liberals can use to try to further feminist ideas (that there's no difference between men and women), it is the only mental illness that has political force saying "you must accommodate their delusion".
   
   The horror is that most of these "transgenders" are biologically intact men, many still sexually attracted to women. So you get guys who can be rapists and might be rapists getting to use bathrooms, changing rooms, women's locker rooms, girl's dorms, women's shelters - and if you disagree violating this gender segregation done on the basis of women's safety for the sake of the crazy man, YOU are considered in the wrong. And in their effort to totally endorse all of the mentally ill, they minimize or deny that such access to women's spaces might be abused by healthy men who want to abuse women.

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      From my Brainposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You have the same odds of being born with red hair as you do of being born with ambigous gender. https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/I-w … sgenderism

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      jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, that odds is 2-3 % at best. Why are the rest 98% asked to accommodate them? I don't favor any form of discrimination but gender is something we have been dealing with for 5000 years. Why is this turned inside out?

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   jlparkposted 8 years ago

   
   
   I shall answer as an actual member of the LGBT community (the L even). Please understand that not everyone understands what it is to be trans, and there will likely be an amount of incorrect information relating to trans folk as well as the rest of the LGBT. I am a cisgendered gay woman, so am not trans, but support the trans community and do my best to understand what it is to be trans.
   
   I support Targets policy - as I live in a country where we don't need these silly rules. We use whichever restroom is appropriate to our presented gender identity - as a cisgendered female I would use the female restroom. I have most likely pee'd next to a transwoman, and am not worried about that happening again - we are all there to pee.
   
   Transwomen are at risk of assault and even murder when using their birth gendered bathroom. And all they want to do is pee.
   
   I understand people trying to keep out perverts who may try to use the law to get into the women's rooms - but these people are not likely to be stopped by gender signs on a door. Also - these people have been peeing next to your sons, without you kicking up a fuss....yet your sons are just as at risk from perverts.
   
   People seem to forget that transmen exist. These men were born female, so under the NC laws would be obliged to pee in the woman's restroom. As you can see in the photo - transmen can look VERY masculine, and would therefore make it easier for male perverts (who aren't trans) to get into the girls loos by claiming to have been born female (without having to even try to look like a transwoman - making it even easier for them to get into the girls restroom).
   
   Trans people have been using the bathroom of their gender identity for years - Youve all pee'd next to a trans person and not known it.
   
   I understand the threat of perverts getting our women and children - but it is more likely to be a family member or friend who assaults your child than some random stranger. And if it is a random stranger - they are not likely to be deterred by a gender sign on the door of a restroom. Sure, it makes it easier to say 'oy, get out' but most of these predators will wait until someone is completely alone in the bathroom anyway....so being able to have someone say 'get out' isn't going to help.
   
   Trans are being focused on with this law, to hide the rest of HB2 - the stripping of discrimination protection for LGBT in employment, housing, services and even healthcAre.

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your perspective. As you said, it is probably happening for years under the old rules, so why the need to change? I saw an interview of a transgender on Megyn Kelly's special last night. She seems genuinely affected by her situation...

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      She probably is. It's hard enough being trans, let alone not being able to pee without some1 having an issue. People who do not fit gender presentation norms are also affected (eg short haired girls etc) by being thrown out of toilets under this law.

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      One thing that struck me about that interview is how strong her feeling was about her gender identity born a boy but in her mind feel like a girl. Doesn't that argue against gender neutral policies?  It seems to me, the sexes are different...

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   Latest financial on Target-not good.
   http://www.breitbart.com/big-government … ott-began/

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      jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      An admission by Target CEO -
      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/target-bo … 19006.html

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