Should transgender people be allowed to use the opposite biological sex bathroom

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   Imendez63posted 8 years ago

   Should transgender people be allowed to use the opposite biological sex bathroom?
   
   With a major company already in the process of making this happen. Would you feel comfortable with an opposite sex going into the washroom ?

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   LoliHeyposted 8 years ago

   Of course not.  If you scroll through this Q&A section, you'll find much has already been discussed on this topic.

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   jlparkposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Your lack of understanding of what it is to be transgender is evident. As is the evidence you haven't looked through the rest of the Q+A section.
   
   If one is transgender - they should use the restroom that matches their gender identity - eg a transwoman is a woman, a trans man is a man. So are you asking if they should go into the men's as a transwoman?
   
   The thing is - they've been peeing alongside you in the restroom that matches their gender identity all along - and you never noticed. NOTHING has changed, except some law trying to change how it's always been.
   
   You worry about the children or yr women folk? Gender signs have never stopped a predator - they just wait until no one else is around to go in and assault the person.
   
   These laws making trans folk use the bathroom of their birth gender also make it EASIER not HARDER for predators to get in with your girls - transmen (who look more masculine that many men I know) would be forced to use the ladies room as they were born with a vagina.....so men wouldn't need to go to ANY trouble of trying to pass as a trans woman to get it, they'd just say they were a trans man....and were following the law.
   
   These predators we worry about aren't stopped by gender signs but have been sharing the men's
   Room with your sons for ever...yet I see no concern for them....
   
   Also Target and Walmart have the same policy in relation to rest rooms - so those boycotting and going to Walmart aren't actually achieving anything. Both have had inculturation policies for years.
   
   But what the HB2 bill hoopla over the trans issue is doing is hiding the rest of the law - removing discrimination protections from housing, employment, healthcare for LGBT folk - essentially stripping human rights.....its disgusting. And those in support of it disgust me - to treat other humans as less than is despiciable.
   
   My answer? They should use the rest room that matches their gender identity - as they always have. THEY JUST WANT TO PEE.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      People don't get to pick their gender!  God does. He does not make mistakes.  To deny that is rebellion against God.  Your genitals and DNA tell what gender you are, not YOU!  It's sad that people are encouraging this behavior, not helping.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yet not all believe in your God. Maybe God has designed trans people as a test - of true compassion for those is difficult circumstances.
      Gender and sex are different - not enuf space here.
      However, its proven that transwomen have FEMALE brains.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Just because people choose not to believe in God does not mean He doesn't exist.  I do have compassion for these people, but I will not condone this behavior.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Best answer is you are one of them, and objectively or accurately.
      It is a deviance from the design norm. And people from other countries shouldn't tell us what we should do here.

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Likewise, Lolita, just because you choose to believe in God doesn't mean he exists. Why don't you let people live their lives based on their own beliefs instead of trying to justify your judgment with yours?

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      Imendez63posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I actually agree with Anime for the reason of just being right overall .

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for best answer.
      The US will always do what it wants - my answer comes from a place that already allows trans to use whichever room matches their gender identity - with no increase in issues with predators. That is why I answered

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      heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I personally went to Walmart and talked with the manager and men are not allowed in the restroom- no matter what gender they claim.

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      ms_independentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Funny that you are speaking for God, Lolita, when the first rule of any religion is not to judge others. Furthermore, why are you so obsessed with other people's genitals?

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       LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Ms Independent - It's not judging. It says in the bible what God thinks about this.  I love how people love to throw one of the only two quotes they probably know in the bible in my face like they actually studied it or something.

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       dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Celine, who rights rules for all religions?  People who don't believe in God tell what God's rules are?  That's kind of an oxymoron.  Loli, you keep stirring up all of these controversies! 

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       From my Brainposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       If we are bringing God into. Why were over 300,000 American children surgically altered to fit social norms because God made them with ambigous gender? Did God make a mistake?https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/I-was-born-Transgnder-Or-transgenderism

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   NO. It is insane to say that a woman's right to privacy includes abortion but not having a mentally ill biologically intact man often still attracted to women in the bathroom stall next to her.
   And it is not just the bathrooms. It is the showers, locker rooms, the girls' dorm, the girls' hotel room on a field trip, the sauna, the women's shelter.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely!

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      heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Good to see there are still people with common sense on here!

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      ms_independentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Trans women ARE NOT MEN!!

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      YES THEY ARE.  If you have male body parts, you are a male.  You have male DNA.  I don't care what you want to be in your head--btw, is there really such a thing as a female brain in a male body?  What about a dog brain in a male body?  Possible?

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years ago

   Transgender like the rest of the lgbt is a preference.
   If you don't have the equipment to match the gender, then you don't get in.
   Some people use the weak idea that signs don't stop predators, so we shouldn't have any signs.
   Many people don't stop their vehicles at stop signs, but we need the stop signs to prevent many more accidents. In addition, when you have a sign, backed by a law, then when someone disobeys the laws and there are consequences.
   
   Why do you lock your cars, and homes when they won't really stop criminals? The idea of letting men who think they are women into the women's restroom based on their preference doesn't make any sense. It allows predators to merely say I think I am a transgender.
   
   People from outside the US have different MORES and culture, they shouldn't tell Americans how to live in their own country. Until the laws are changed in the US, public restrooms, and changing areas are biological gender separated.
   
   We don't let women go topless in public here, and that may be discrimination or just good taste.
   
   But for a minority of people that have a mere preference to use the opposite gender's restroom is wrong. The point is how do you tell the confused from the fake?

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Good answer.  There are already reports of creepy men going into the woman's bathroom and starting stuff.  Before the sign was there---now it easier to get in because they have a legal right to be there.  And with the right lawyer, get away with it.

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      Imendez63posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      This right here is the primary reason for my question. People tend to abuse the system and it causes a very unstable environment .

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      heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      In Seattle there has already been a man (not TG) who undressed in the locker room at the gym in front of little girls. The women couldn't kick him out because of this mandate.

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      ms_independentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Being LGBT+ is NOT a choice or a "preference." Nobody would choose to be discriminated against by horrid people like you.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why is he horrid for telling the truth?  He's right, and made some good points.

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   Aime Fposted 8 years ago

   I'm at the point where I'm really just rooting for the option to use either a shared washroom or a private washroom instead of separating men and women at all.  That way if you're comfortable with using the washroom with anyone and everyone regardless of genitalia, then you can go in the shared washroom.  If you're not, you can go in the private washroom.
   
   I think shared washrooms have more benefits than just those to the trans community as well, so, yep.  That's what I want.
   
   Personally, I could not care less if the person peeing in a closed stall next to me has a penis or a vagina or neither or both.

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It is when you are in the locker room at work and this person only feels good if naked next to the women, or sexually harassing real women to feel more of a woman than them. And this has happened to me, and HR said it was a spat between two women.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Tarnishing all of a group  on your experience with one individual who obviously had other issues, Tamara, isn't healthy for you or those sideline by your negative experience. I'm sorry it happened to you, but most are not like that person

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      heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Your ignoring the full extent of this mandate. It is not just bathrooms. It is locker rooms, shower rooms, changing rooms- places where women are very vulnerable. Try to wake up from your SJW haze and get with it!

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Look lady, this q was about washrooms specifically. Target was mentioned and as far as I know, Target doesn't have public showers. When there's a q asked specifically about the MANDATE and not a general q about washrooms, I'll answer accordingly. K?

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      SmartAndFunposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Part of the problem with bathroom laws is they tend to include locker rooms, saunas, barracks, dorms, hospital rooms, summer camp cabins & even women's shelters. Google Christopher Hambrook - "she" raped two women while living in a womens shelter

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      heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      'look lady'? wow kinda aggressive. Get a grip Aime. Target has changing rooms- another place where women/children are vulnerable. Also in gyms the bathrooms/showers/changing rooms are all in one space and this mandate applies to those areas as well.

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Change rooms where everyone is in a private stall just like the bathroom.  So what.
      
      I've already had the discussion w/ you re showers.  I don't have to agree with every aspect of the mandate to think bathrooms are ok.

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      heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So why can't they be in shower rooms? If it is so perfectly safe for men to share washrooms/changing rooms then they should be able to use the shower rooms. You can't pick or choose which is OK because then you look like a hypocrite.

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone is more vulnerable when they're completely naked in front of other people - including trans people. I'm an advocate for private showers/change rooms all around.

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       heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Women/children are vulnerable in both places. If it wasn't so then there would be no bathroom attacks whatsoever. And to make businesses build closed shower stalls, when the economy is slowing down, sounds like a great idea lol.

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Everywhere is a vulnerable place if you want to go by where attacks occur. Women get attacked in parks all the time. Children are assaulted in churches. Where's the outcry to keep men away from parks and churches?

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       heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       poor Aime can't really argue points by herself without the help of her little troll friends lol. At least in parks and churches women/children are fully dressed. Bathrooms are where they are not.

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Umm... I'm the only person replying to you here.
       
       And in a bathroom you're in a stall with a closed door.  How many vaginas have you seen in public washrooms?

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       heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I'm talking about the other forum, you cowardly SJW. Where's Link and babadook when you need them? BC your obviously not intellegent enough to defend this issue on your own! You have no facts or data to back up your naive opinions, just slander.

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Bringing up other people contributing in another discussion has nothing to do with this one. The two of us were discussing and you randomly turned it around to insult me. Perhaps you're the one having trouble arguing your points?

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       heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You 3 had to falsely accuse me of being a rape victim because I don't want men in my bathroom. Gold Star Aime. You would make fun of a rape victim in order to get your point across.

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       "Us three" don't operate under the same brain. I never said anything about you or anyone else being a rape victim. Come on Heather, at least insult me for something that *I* actually said.

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       heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I knew you would deny it, but that doesn't change the fact that you, Link and babadook did it. You are a vile, despicable person, I don't even know how you stand yourself. What if I really was a rape victim? How would that make me feel?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Man, get a grip. I never said that. The three of us are not interchangeable nor are we one entity. If you're going to sit there and attack my character over something someone else said then I'm outta here. Have a nice day, Heather.

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       heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You know what you did. All 3 of you heckled me, twisted my words and slandered my character- common tactics used by far left SJWs. Please don't comment on any of my future posts and I will do the same 4 u, your opinion means nothing to me. Good day!

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       dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Actually going to the restroom is a personal thing.  The aroma, the sounds, getting pads from the machine, cleaning up a mess, etc.  I prefer single bathrooms with a line and spray.

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   IslandBitesposted 8 years ago

   They have been using them for years and it was never an issue. People didnt notice, didnt care, no one die and the world didnt end. And to answer the question, I have, more than once. I didnt mind, I wasnt uncomfortable. Yes, they should.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly.

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   heatherlundposted 8 years ago

   I personally identify as a unicorn and I expect EVERYONE to use my pronouns and if they don't then I will use my new found victim status and cry hate speech and if I ever move to NY then I will sue you for 250,000 dollars- and probably win. Furthermore, I expect all of society to get used to seeing me and other unicorns using the bathroom outside and I don't care if it makes you feel unsafe, uncomfortable, or if you don't want to explain to your children why they see someone using the bathroom outside. I am a special, little snowflake who is discriminated against so, therefore, I deserve special privileges in society- no matter what the majority of Americans think or want. A unicorn who has to use the restroom, is a unicorn in danger- 6 total unicorns died last year from using the bathroom- we are in GREAT danger and anyone who can't see that is an ignorant, fear-mongering bigot and should be bullied up on by all SJWs on all social media outlets and then they need to go and check their privelage!

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I hope you're quite proud of yourself for mocking one of the most bullied groups on the planet. Gold star for you, Heather.

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      heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      #transgendertearsarethesaddesttearsofall

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      ms_independentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Congratulations Heather, you are literally a child. Get over yourself.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      This response is trying to display how ridiculous this "I identify as..." stuff is getting. Heather does a good job here with this.  BTW, I identify as a senior citizen, can I retire and collect Social Security and Medicare?  Where's my pension at?

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      JDWilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Aime - I agree one should refrain from mocking - but at the same time it could be considered as exaggeration to prove the point. 
      
      This is about the morality and the social character of our country and the preservation of traditional family values

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      fpherj48posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      heather....just because you're a unicorn, doesn't mean you have a valid point.  (give it a minute or 2 to kick in..you'll get it)

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      From my Brainposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Heather,
      You might want to take a moment to educate yourself.
      
      For starters you have the same odds of being born with red hair as you do of being born with ambigous gender.
      Read: Where does God want me to pee?

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Sure , as long as when they follow my daughter into a bathroom they don't mind losing some teeth !

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      ms_independentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      trans people have no interest in molesting anyone... they use the bathroom to pee... *facepalm*

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      SmartAndFunposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Some trans males use women's bathrooms for validation of their genderfeelz(TM). Some dudes dress up in women's clothing and hang out in womens bathrooms in order to get sexually aroused. Some do it to install hidden cameras.

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    Evaneposted 8 years ago

    NO. BIG NO! They should have their own comfort room or bathroom. They have their own gender type and we girls we also have our own.

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       ms_independentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Trans women ARE women. I don't know if you've ever met a trans woman, but they are just like us cis women.

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       heatherlundposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       "they are just like us cis women" - yea but with a penis.

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       SmartAndFunposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Trans "women" absolutely are NOT women. They are medically and/or surgically altered males -- and sometimes not even altered. A male is a male no matter what clothing, makeup or hairstyle he wears, what surgery he has or what medicine he takes.

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    Denise LePageposted 8 years ago

    I believe that they should have their own bathroom. why confuse children more than they already are. Parents will become irate. There will be fights and eventually someone will get killed. Do we want that? Children can be cruel but adults are much worse! also, please educate your children

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    JDWilhiteposted 8 years ago

    The transgender issue in the headlines these days is yet another step in the effort to completely silence if not eliminate a judeo-christian value system that has served for centuries to preserve the family unit.
    
    No doubt I will be considered a hater, unenlightened, ignorant and bigoted for this remark - but there is such a thing as common sense, morality & decency that should be upheld.
    
    If one has a penis then you use the men's room.

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    RudeDiaryLadyposted 8 years ago

    I do not think, where you use the bathroom should be a problem or not. If you look like a woman and have a vagina or not; whose to say that you were born a man and block you from entering the bathroom? Even the opposite directions; if you look like a man and you want to use urinals, fine.
    
    The problem comes when those who have not made the complete transformation and still look like a partial man, walking into the woman's bathroom- that is wrong and should be illegal. Regardless of your personal transition or not, you cannot force your beliefs or expectations onto someone else. If a little girl is in the bathroom alone and a half man/half woman walks into the bathroom, she is going to lose her mind. And her Mother would be rightfully upset; your beliefs and desires are completely fine as long as you do not require the whole world to agree.
    
    I have no personal issues with Transgender people. I do not think they should be included in the gay and lesbian community because; if you change your sex and then you still like the same sex, something is wrong; VERY WRONG and you may need some help. There is no way you can be born a man, who believes he should be a women but, you still like women. That is just being greedy and that, within itself is the reason its so hard for gays to have their lives accepted because some where, some one is willing to make a mockery of the lifestyle.

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Wha? Gender and sexuality are not the same thing. People don't live their lives as the opposite gender to "correct" their attraction to a certain sex.
       
       And what do you mean by "half man/half woman"?  You make it sound like a centaur.

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    From my Brainposted 7 years ago

    All the experts answered this one didn't they.
    
    You have the same odds of being born with red hair as you do of being born with ambigous gender.
    
    The reason you don't know this is because over 300,000 American children have been surgically altered "to fit social norms".
    
    Many like me the very day we were born.
    
    Maybe a little research would be in order before judging others? https://soapboxie.com/social-issues/I-w … sgenderism

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