I struggle with Calvinism because of the predetermination. I believe in free will BUT Calvinism believes God has chosen whom he has chosen out of grace. But that leads to my question, where is the love in that? If he chooses some and damns others to hell, how is that love? Yet, when I personally meet Calvinists, they are some of the most sincere people devoted to the Lord that I have met. I have met mega church evangelicals and most of them live like the world. I can't say the same about the Calvinists. Any thoughts on the matter?
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You make the proud assumption that people who disagree with this teaching "don't understand." This of course is the cry of all those who hold to their own brand of religion. Many reject it because they DO understand it.
Calvinism isn't a denomination like Lutheran or Baptist, but it is a belief structure. It is merely a label that describes a person's beliefs. If we sat down for five minutes to discuss your world views, I could place a label on your beliefs, also.
No comment necessary. This says it all.
Beautifully written. Thank you for your insight. I believe absolutely what you have written. Many people have a "careless" faith as if sin doesn't matter. It does matter because God loves you and deliberate sin is like throwing mud on God's face.
thank you JThomp42, and i agree with that statement Melissa, or like crucifying CHRIST all over again.
I had my answer all thought out as soon as read the additional information you proved, but I don't have to type it out because Timcgaa said it all.
Nice caricature you built. The fact is that most who come to these truths in Scripture have a hard time wrestling with them emotionally at first. We don't invent these doctrines to feel secure, but we are only trying to be faithful to Scripture.
Obviously you are welcome to your opinion, Chris. But remember that it's just that---an opinion.
So. You're saying that people just wake up one day and say, "hey, God chooses who will be saved. Thank God I'm among those people," for no reason? They dreamed up these ideas out of thin air with no biblical precedent so that they feel secure?
Dave, God has read the thoughts of every man and woman on earth and this is His conclusion:
Gen 6:5 "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."
If a person does the right good thing every time they have to decide, that will all be done from their heart..Whenever a person does the wrong bad thing, that will all be done from their egoic minds control over them..Mankind isn't evil, until shown.
Our hearts are not alone to themselves but they are restrained by the common grace of God. If God ever removes His restraint, the world (every person) would be exponentially evil. We can't fathom just how wicked we are apart from God's grace.
No one is born wicked we're all born equal, & it's childrens parents/teachers/media/friends experiences etc.That if a child identifies with through their minds thoughts that is how that kids ego is built..That's everyone in the whole world buddy.
daveadam, what you speak is not scriptural truth. man is inherently wicked. even CHRIST says no one is good. without GOD we are doomed, for without GOD we can do no righteousness.
God put us here, & then tempts us from all angles..He sends us death to question our faith, & tests our emotions & feelings control to the maximum..We're all born neutral, until we decide which path to walk..A trial run, to see what we'd
again, not scriptural. GOD not only does not tempt us, HE gives us a way out of temptation. all the pain and suffering in this world is a direct result of mankinds rejection of GOD and its desire to live in sin (disobedience). cant blame GOD for bad
All throughout the Bible it declares that humanity is deeply bent towards sin from birth. We are radically depraved to the point to where God actually must restrain us from carrying out our desires fully.