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Father of God

  1. jainismus profile image69
    jainismusposted 5 years ago

    Believers say that Jesus was Son of God. If the God has Son, there must be a father of him. So who is the father of the God? I think that as Man created God, man is father of God. What do you say?

    1. pennyofheaven profile image76
      pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      If man created God then man must have created the universe. What do you say?

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        Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Haha. Nice come back. I never thought of it from that angle.

      2. jainismus profile image69
        jainismusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Your statement is not logical, I think.

        1. pennyofheaven profile image76
          pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Neither is yours logical. If God is infinite how do we (as finite beings) know where God begins or ends? If in fact God begins or ends. Infinite is something we as finite beings use to explain what is not known right?

          1. jainismus profile image69
            jainismusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Well, can you tell me why the Holy books of all religion do not know about dinosaur and America, but man know about them? It is said that the holy books were written by sons of God or those who know 'much' about Gods?

            1. pennyofheaven profile image76
              pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Why would knowing if dinosaurs or America existed be referred to in the holy books? Holy books do not name all the animals in existence at the time of writing them. Only those relevant to whatever story they are telling.

            2. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image88
              HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Dinosaurs were not relevant or known to humans in that age. However, creation in Genesis 1:21 does happen to mention that between the emergence of life from the sea and birds came what it describes as ‘the monsters’ (e-thninm) and ‘the great ones’ (e-gdlim). These descriptions would apply to all kinds of creatures in that span of time, including dinosaurs.

    2. pisean282311 profile image60
      pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      @jain yes ...father of god is big bang...on serious notes its human mind which creates god and to answer to penny is NO...if we see evolution of religion , till now humans have created more than 5000 gods which includes allah and jesus...so it is unique ability of humans ...but we see no evidence of man creating universe...may be in future we would great big bang kind of thing in lab which would blow off everything and generate universe...

      1. jainismus profile image69
        jainismusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        You are right.

      2. pennyofheaven profile image76
        pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        That's right no evidence man created the universe. No evidence man created God either. 5000 perceptions of God perhaps but are they of the one God or 5000 different Gods?

        1. pisean282311 profile image60
          pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          @penny circumstantial evidence is there though...now let us forget 5000...let us take one god...is allah same as god of bible?

          1. pennyofheaven profile image76
            pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Circumstantial evidence offered via writings that were perceived by different men yes.  In my view Allah and God of the bible are the same God just perceived differently.

            1. pisean282311 profile image60
              pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              @penny .if one reads quran and bible , it talks about two different entities totally...now we may say that characteristic of god in quran and bible in combination make god, ...but that wont make god someone to be worshipped...but thats not the point ...pt is humans r story makers and harry potter , jesus and allah have one thing in common...they were author's awesome imagination...

              1. pennyofheaven profile image76
                pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                It appears to be different because whomever has taken it upon themselves to describe God were heavily influenced by not only culture, but conditioning and customs of the day. Imagination is often used to describe what is for the most part indescribable.

                Kinda like...each woman who has experienced child birth will have a different way of describing giving birth in great detail. They may all be describing 'child birth' the process, but only in accordance with their experience. Whilst experiences might be similar more often than not they are different to each and every woman that experiences the process of child birth.

                Allah, God, Buddha etc. etc, are descriptions of the 'God' as per their experience.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  That would be like saying one woman's vagina is completely different than another if we were to compare them to gods, and that one child was born completely different than another. Sorry, your example doesn't work at all.

                  1. pennyofheaven profile image76
                    pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I wasn't comparing the vaginas gees. The 'process' of child birth (natural I might add) and describing it is what I was pointing to. If you don't get I can find another example.

            2. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Then, you would worship Allah and follow Islam, too. Of course, if we look at the two religions, we find that there are massive differences between the two gods that there is no way perception had anything to do with it.

              1. pennyofheaven profile image76
                pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                How do you qualify that statement when you claim to have no belief in God? If you do not know what God is how do you arrive at the massive differences?  Even an intellectual understanding of God will require knowing the culture, the customs and traditions of the people. If you believe God is some deity sitting up there in the universe somewhere I understand how you might think God needs to be worshipped in the Christian sense of worship.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Obviously, I have a much better understanding of your religion and other religions than you.



                  Reading the scriptures of those religions, obviously. How else can we know?

                   

                  God is described in many different ways in many different religions. You would know that too if you had any understanding of those other religions.

                  1. pennyofheaven profile image76
                    pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    How can you understand a religion I do not have or subscribe to? Understanding God intellectually and experiencing God are two very different things. If it is an intellectual understanding one has I realize that one might believe that they are describing different Gods. If you understand my experience and others experience more than they please do share your experience with God.

              2. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image88
                HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                You do realize that the Quran was written by the Prophet Muhammad as what he claimed was the original form of the books of Moses before they were altered, right? Both are based on the same ancient writings about the same God.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow, so one guy wrote a book based on another book. I'm shocked.

                  1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image88
                    HeadlyvonNogginposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    The point is they're both talking about the same God, both claim the same holy land as their own, and both even claim Abraham as a forefather. The difference is, according to the Hebrew version, the ancestors of those who eventually became the Muslim faith were the result of Abraham's sin in having a child, Ishmael, through his handmaiden and the Hebrews were products of Isaac, the son promised by God to Abraham and Sarah in their old age. Muhammad said those stories were altered by the Hebrews throughout the generations and wrote the Quran as the corrected version. And they've been fighting ever since.

        2. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Every holy book ever written is evidence that men created gods.



          They are different, obviously, if one were to ever actually learn about them, one would know that.

          1. pennyofheaven profile image76
            pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            No the books are not evidence that God was created. That is like saying a book describing the function of gravity was evidence man created gravity. It was discovered not created. A book about the universe and how it came into being is not evidence that man created the universe either.

            What is obvious to some is not so obvious to others.

            1. jainismus profile image69
              jainismusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              If you deny the Holy books, then you would have to deny God also.

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                Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                That makes no sense whatsoever. No religion looks on the holy books of other religions as holy books. They do believe in God though. How does that fit your statement?

                1. jainismus profile image69
                  jainismusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Not all religions believe in God. There are many atheist religions like Buddhism etc.

                2. jainismus profile image69
                  jainismusposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, they do not believe in other's God....

              2. pennyofheaven profile image76
                pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Why? God is not the book.

                1. pisean282311 profile image60
                  pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  @penny obviously god is not the book...book is outcome of concept called god conceived by writers of the book...so god is manifestation of human thought which gets poured in the book....god doesnot exist other than human brain...no humans , no god...but no human , still universe and world...there is proof that universe existed much before human bursted to scene but there is no proof that god existed till humans create it...yes there is BELIEF that god existed forever...but BELIEF is not fact , it is BELIEF....

                  1. pennyofheaven profile image76
                    pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Nothing exists without the brain. All manifestations both tangible and intangible would not be discernible without the brain. At least as we know how to discern this from that. Proof that God existed before the universe would depend on how one understands God. As mentioned before God and the origins of the universe are one and the same. Belief and experience are two different things. I might believe evil exists purely because someone else said it does. If I experienced evil then it would not require a belief or someone else to tell me it exists.

            2. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              So, are you saying God was discovered? Your holy book does not make that claim, neither does any other.



              Exactly, but that is the only thing you have as any kind of evidence that your God created the universe, while books written about the origins of the universe do not say anything about gods but instead describe how the universe came about on its own. Huge difference.

              1. pennyofheaven profile image76
                pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                No read my post again. I said the books are not evidence that Man created God.  If you believe just because someone wrote down their experience it means they must have created God is erroneous thinking.  Anyone who created a book then must have created whatever the wrote about.

                There is only a huge difference if you subscribe to the deity understanding of God. For some the origins of the universe and God are one and the same.

                1. Dustin Staples profile image60
                  Dustin Staplesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  God's his father, they are the same, they're both an axiom, and a logical fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question.
                  but that is from the believers view.
                  Man has created gods many times over, probably since a thunderstorm in prehistoric times; gods need humans (worship) to exist because they are a metaphysical entity, we made up, to provide an explanation.

                  1. pennyofheaven profile image76
                    pennyofheavenposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    If man created Gods, would that not mean man needed Gods and not the other way around as you have stated? Not all Gods have required worship.

                    How does man create something that is infinite in nature?  If that were the case, man would have the ability to create a universe. We cannot create the body let alone the universe.

                    What is it that man needs explaining?

    3. lorlie6 profile image83
      lorlie6posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Do you know of the German philosopher 'Feurerbach'?  He posited this perfectly!

      1. Dustin Staples profile image60
        Dustin Staplesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        wiki: "Feuerbach thought religion was principally a matter of feeling in its unrestricted subjectivity. So the feeling breaks through all the limits of understanding and manifests itself in several religious beliefs." Yup.

  2. jacharless profile image82
    jacharlessposted 5 years ago

    There can be no father of Creator.
    To state there must be, or is, also states Creator was begotten.
    Anything born or created has a name, title given it by its creator.
    Man is born, and gods are born from the minds of man.
    Even the first man, who was not born, was created and called the father of all mankind.
    God is a title, ascribed by man to whatever he deems greater than himself.


    James

 
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