Do you think that the Mohammed Verses are in fact evil?

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   Okay

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   You see rad man, understanding with proof is better but not your false assumption that you indicated yourself without scientific proof. Here the Quran does not speak about contraction and the expansion.
   Qur'an 41:11
   "Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
   
   The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical ,clearly indicates that, at one point, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of smoke(ie. An opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition) this is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology, as i had done masters in computer engineering, i studied biology and physics in my earlier classes.
   The illuminating stars we see at night were,just as was the whole universe, in that smoke material.
   The above verse states that:
   Because the earth and the heaven above ( the sun, moon ,stars, planets, galaxies,etc) have been formed from this same smoke, we conclude that the earth and the heaven were one connected entity. Then out of this smoke, they formed and separated from each other. God said in the quran about this also in the chapter21 verse 30.
   Dr. ALFRED KRONER IS THE WORLD'S RENOWNED GEOLOGISTS. He is the professor of Geology and the Department of geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg, university, Maine, Germany. He said: "thinking where Muhammad came from....I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientist's have only found out within the last few years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case ."
   Also he said: "somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance , that the earth and the heaven had the same origin"
   This source i came to know something: THIS IS THE TRUTH , videotape
   I will prove all your misunderstandings, inshaAllah!

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      Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Smoke: a visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air, typically one emitted from a burning substance.
      
      I have no idea where you got your definition of smoke, but clearly it's lie. Are you comfortable lying for God?

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   Here is the link to this videotape in you tube:
   
   m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=kdrphWOTVb4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkdrphWOTVb4

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   The second one:
   You are write that the testicles produce the sperm in a man's body. The Quran says the same thing and much more than that-
   The Quran (86: 6-7) : He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.
   Answer: everyone knows that man is created from a single sperm. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs means- A man's seed is the quintessence of his body.it is therefore said metaphorically to proceed from his loins, ie, from his back between the hipbones and the ribs.
   Source : 7th grade science books which children study.

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   The second one:
   You are write that the testicles produce the sperm in a man's body. The Quran says the same thing and much more than that-
   The Quran (86: 6-7) : He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.
   Answer: everyone knows that man is created from a single sperm. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs means- A man's seed is the quintessence of his body.it is therefore said metaphorically to proceed from his loins, ie, from his back between the hipbones and the ribs.
   Source : 7th grade science books which children study.

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   The second one:
   You are write that the testicles produce the sperm in a man's body. The Quran says the same thing and much more than that-
   The Quran (86: 6-7) : He is created from a drop emitted. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.
   Answer: everyone knows that man is created from a single sperm. Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs means- A man's seed is the quintessence of his body.it is therefore said metaphorically to proceed from his loins, ie, from his back between the hipbones and the ribs.
   Source : 7th grade science books which children study.

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      Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Between the backbone and the ribs is NOT the loins. And the loins do not produce sperm. There is nothing  metaphorically about this statement. It's simply wrong. If he knew where sperm came from he would have said so. This is direct evidence that Mohammad had no connection with God because and God would have know where sperm came from.

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   Sorry everyone that it got posted thrice. Apology .

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   Now you next question:
   The Quran (31:34) : verily the knowledge of the hour is with Allah(alone). It is he who sends down rain and He who sends down rain and He who knows what is in the wombs...
   Rad man said: A simple ultrasound will show what's in the womb.
   Answer: here the Almighty God talks about what is in the wombs of a women. He who have greater knowledge than man ie the God , challenges man that He (the Almighty Allah) knows the future of the child in a mother's womb, whether the conceived is a male or female?, how long it will remain in the womb?,what is the actual condition of the child in the mother's womb?.
   An ultrasound will show what's in the mother's

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   Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

   An ultrasound will show what's in the mother's womb, but not the future of the child.

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      Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "He who knows what is in the wombs..." All it says is that he is the only one who knows what's in the womb, not the future of what's in the womb. It says nothing of a future.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    I again disagree with you rad man. Expand your mind and think from all directions. As the Quran was written in Arabic it states the word also about the future of the child in that womb, and since English language do not have several words to describe the Arabic language in detail.
    Firstly , the Quran speaks about what is in the wombs is correct. The Quran says that IT IS PROCEEDED FROM THE LOINS NOT "PRODUCING". YOU ARE AGAIN WRONG AS I ALWAYS  SAY THAT YOU ARE A POOR READER.
    SECONDLY, THE DEFINITION OF SMOKE IN THE STUDY OF COSMOLOGY IS AS I HAD DESCRIBED, YOUR DEFINITION I RELATING TO THE WORLD ! BUT STILL IT IS SIMILAR. YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT OF THE UNIVERSAL THEORIES.
    I HAD PROVED WITH REFERENCES AND SOURCES ! BUT STILL IT IS NOT GOING IN YOUR HEAD SO IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY THE QURAN WRONG SINCE YOU DO NOT SHOW THE TRUTH.

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       Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You proved nothing other then you make stuff up. The definition of smoke in the study of cosmology? What a joke. The space between the ribs and the backbone has nothing to do with the production or the  proceeding of sperm. Proceed mean to begin or continue.
       
       I may in fact be a poor reader and I am most certainly am no expert of the universal theories. But I do know that the study of cosmology does not include smoke which makes me more learned then you.
       
       I'm also not a medical doctor, but I do know that sperm is produced and proceeded by the testicle, which again make me more learned that Mohammad.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    YOUR LEVEL OF RESEARCH RAD MAN IS REALLY POOR! BECAUSE YOUR MIND DOES NOT EXPAND AT ALL. YOU HAD NOT STUDIED SCIENCE AND PHYSICS ! NOT EVEN UNIVERSAL THEORIES. WHAT MAKES YOU AN EXPERT IN RESEARCH WHEN I SHOWED YOU WHAT WAS IN COSMOLOGY AND GEOLOGY?? YOU LACK INTERESTS AS YOUR LEVEL DOES NOT MATCHES MINE? DO YOU THINK I BELIEVE IN GOD SIMPLY BECAUSE I HAVE TO, THAT I HAVE NO CHOICE?? NO. I BELIEVE IN GOD BECAUSE I DO RESEARCH AND I WANT PROOFS!!!!! YOU DON'T HAVE THE GRAVITY TO TALK HERE SO DO RESEARCH WITH PROOFS AND REFERENCES....................

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       Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Show me your evidence.

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       psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       In the end, what some person says on the internet is not worth getting too upset about.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    NOT your false assumptions..i forgot to say that.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    I deny again you lack research, NOW I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO ANSWER YOU AS YOUR LEVEL DOES NOT MATCHES MINE? I WILL NEVER ANSWER YOU AGAIN SINCE YOU COMPLETELY DENY WITHOUT PROOFS AND REFERENCES AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
    Answer mrnasir now.......

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       Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Ahhh. You have no evidence. Why did you claim you have when you don't?

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    A PERSON LIKE RAD MAN WHO CANNOT SEE PROPERLY CLAIMS TO KNOW COSMOLOGY AND GENETIC SCIENCE?

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       Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I know that cosmology is not the study of smoke and sperm come from testicles.

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    mrnasirposted 12 years ago

    What Scientists said about the verses of The Holy Quran.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUUPYs0gElU

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Yes your are write psycheskinner, the sun moves around its orbit.....lol...

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Tony Blair's sister-in-law Lauren Booth, broadcaster and journalist converts to Islam
    Interview of Lauren Booth:
    
    I thank Allah (swt) for giving me the chance to spend a month with the greatest Muslims alive in this Ummah today.
    
    At the end of Ramadan, I went to a family home in Rafa one of the poorest refugee camps in the poorest areas, of the over populated city in the entire world. I had iftar with a family there who had about sixteen mats which were used at night to sleep on. In the middle of this tent area the mother places the meal if she has any for her children to eat.
    
    This lady greeted me at the door and it was as if she was welcoming me to the Taj Mahal not a hell hole in the Gaza strip,"Sallam alaykum! she says" with a smile that light up the whole area. I asked her: "What is it like in Rafa at Ramadan with very little food?" She said: "Alhamdulillah!" with such joy I couldn't help but smile. And as I sat there on the floor of this home eating what little leaves that they had; a bit of hummus, a pita bread that was our Iftar.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Again she says-
    I got angry; really angry! I thought what is this God that makes hungry people even hungrier? What is this God who creates a fast for the poorest of the oppressed people in the world. So, I turned to this sister and I said: " With all due respect I want to ask you, why does your God starve you in Ramadan? Why do you fast in Ramadan...sister, just explain to me? This lady who never owed a hand bag, whose children didn't have, never have shoes. Whose children I was sitting with didn't have pen or paper to do any drawings, she said to me: "Sister we fast in Ramadan to remember the poor" and a key went to my heart and unlocked it.
    
    But of course Islam wasn't for me that was for somebody else so I put the thought of how great Islam was to one side and said so what I like the Palestinian people but it has nothing to do with Islam.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Also she said-
    Then last year in Ramadan again I went to Iran as a journalist and I visited a mosque there, it's the Bibi Fatima Mosque and I made wadu because I knew how to do it and I put on a shadur and I made a simple prayer: Allah and I used the word Allah. "Allah don't give me anything. I have everything. Thank you for this journey, but Allah don't forget the people of Palistine." Then I sat down in this busy mosque with women feeding their children, pilgrams coming and going but when I sat down this emense feeling of peace came over me. Peace and tranquility that I never knew before, such a calm that the tention in my heart went, such a calm that the list we have, mothers we have a lists I a must do my children school list: have I got enough for next week. There was no sound in my head for the first time in my life as an adult just deep deep joy and calm. I sat there for a long time in this place of calm knowing that somewhere in the universe everything is like this. Over the course of that evening women kept coming over to me holding me by the shoulders and saying: "I love you." At one point a child came over and held my hand and just said in farsi: "I love you." I said to my friend Nadia, "Is this what it is like in the mosque?" She said, "Not really. I think something is happening."
    
    I slept that night on the floor of the mosque with alot of other pilgrams and the next morning, Fajir sounded and I was inside the mosque and I prayed Fajir. Then I came outside and I had a cup of chai and the sun was coming up and I had one very specific thought. "O, no... not Islam, please not Islam."

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=bJP_4cU7jGc
    This is the vedio of laurel booth accepting Islam.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    I just want to say that a couple of strange things happened to me after that. I took the plane back to London from Tehran. As the plane was coming into London the pilot said: "Thank you for flying Tehran airways we'll be in London in 20min." and at that point every Iranian Muslima took off the hijab and made out like she was from Sex in the City even showing some cleavage. I thought great thank goodness, I could take off this stupid scarf and I went like this and my hands wouldn't take off the hijab. My hands wouldn't take off the hijab and I thought I was having a nervous break down.
    
    Seven days later I said my Shahada in a London mosque and it was time for me to return to the Quran. This time I opened the Quran in Surah Al Fatiha said: Hello Sarah where have you been, welcome to the religion of peace, joy and tranquility and I couldn't put it down. Someone once told me and I feel much like that before Islam I had given up on God but God never gave up on me. Alhamdullillah.
    
    The question everyone wants to know is how did your family or children react. My 2 daughters who are very practical made a list they are 8 and 10. They went and made a list and had 3 questions for me.
    
    1-Mummy when your a Muslim willl you still be mummy?
    I said: When I am a Muslim you know what, I will be a better mummy, they said: "Horrayyy!!"
    
    2-Mummy will you drink alcohol?
    When I am a Muslim I will never drink alcohol again and they said "Horrayyy!!"
    
    3-When your a Muslim will you show your chest?
    I said why would you ask such a question? They said when you come to the school and your chest is showing we are embarressed and we hate it and we want you to stop it.
    When I am a Muslim I will cover all this area and to which they said: "we love Islam."
    
    It was that easy. When you look at those 3 questions the basic female womanhood is summarized in those 3 quesions from the purity of children.
    
    Question #1 will you be the center of our household? Can we rely on you as a mother to be there for us rather then putting your work, your colleagues/friendships or the bar in front of us?
    
    Question #2 will you remain in the limits that Allah has discribed for all of us in behavior?
    
    Question #3 will you be a modest dignified woman in Islam?
    
    Alhamdulillah that is all I have to say. What I have learnt this year in being a Muslim is this, when you have problems don't tell to your friends or family ...if you can read the Quran every night or read 10 min. everyday your Imaan is much much higher. If you live in a non-Muslim country those of us who do it can go very low very quickly, you must read the Quran. Most of all your just not on the path of Islam if you come to Islam like me, if you're a Muslim you are on the path as well so make sure that you don't miss those signs in everyday life.
    Source : laurel booth in YouTube vedio accepting Islam

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Yusuf Islam( CAT STEVENS) - From Musician to Muslim
    All I have to say is all what you know already, to confirm what you already know, the message of the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) as given by God - the Religion of Truth. As human beings we are given a consciousness and a duty that has placed us at the top of creation. Man is created to be God's deputy on earth, and it is important to realize the obligation to rid ourselves of all illusions and to make our lives a preparation for the next life. Anybody who misses this chance is not likely to be given another, to be brought back again and again, because it says in Qur'an Majeed that when man is brought to account, he will say, "O Lord, send us back and give us another chance." The Lord will say, "If I send you back you will do the same."

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Dr. Maurice Bucaille is a surgeon by profession. He is also a renowned scholar. In order to be able to read Quran in its original text and to study its meaning and purport through direct access to its early and modern commentaries, he devoted himself to the learning of Arabic language at the ripe age of fifty.
    
    Thereafter, he made a beginning by trying to reconcile proven scientific truths with religious axioms. As a result of these studies, he wrote his famous book "QURAN, BIBLE AND SCIENCE" in 1976, which caused a furor in high academic circles - particularly in the Christian world.
    Q: What urged you so forcefully to undertake a study of the Quran and other scriptures, and why?
    A: Like all other Frenchmen, I was also initially of the view that Islam was a religion conceived and introduced by a genius and a remarkable man of great intellect, known by the name of Mohammed (S.A.W.). Fifty years ago, by the Grace of God, I became professionally qualified to practice as a surgeon, and used to discuss and compare (views on) Islam and Christianity with my patients who came to consult me (and with my co-professionals). I was told by some of them that my knowledge of Islam and about its discipline was to a great extent misconceived and mistaken. In the beginning I was inclined to doubt them, but now and then some people produced actual and original Quranic Verses in contradiction of my references, and I was compelled to revise my conclusions. And, as a result of this revision and review, I felt that they were right and I was wrong.
    
    I found that those who had been my teachers had a wrong approach to the problem and had imparted incorrect information to me. My knowledge of Islam, until then, had been restricted to Radio and T.V. reviews, articles published in various magazines and reproduced in biased treatise books. But I was perplexed; what should I do? How should I amend my position and rectify my understanding?
    
    Q: When did this happen?
    A: After the 8th Vatican Conference but before the birth of a tolerant attitude on the part of European scholars gravitating to unbiased thought, i.e. before 1926, when the cleavage between Muslims and Christian scholars was at its zenith and there was no prospect of a direct dialogue between them.
    
    Q: How did you react to this situation?
    A: There was only one road open to me then, that of learning Arabic language so that I could study the Holy Book, Quran, in its original form and try to get at its meaning directly. I devoted the next two years to this task when I had acquired enough knowledge of Arabic (in language and literature) to be able to make a dependable study of the Quran faithfully as well as academically.
    
    Q: And how did this benefit you?
    A: I knew then that the Quran was the "Work of Allah" and had not been authored by any human being. I was also convinced that Mohammed (S.A.W.) was a true Prophet of God.
    
    Q: The world is now celebrating the first centenary of Darwin, do you subscribe to Darwinian theory or disagree with it?
    A: No Sir, I oppose it vehemently. Darwin's theory is totally based on a misconception and is not at all the outcome of such a scientific research as could prove that there exists the slightest relation between man and the theory of evolution of species as propounded by him. In fact his views are nothing but the misguided and misconceived calculations of a purely materialistic mind. My latest book (Origin of Man) contains a comprehensive "Rebuttal Article" on Darwin and his views.
    
    Q: Are you of the opinion that Darwin was aware of his error?
    A: Yes, I think he knew the error he committed. The scholars, who are fond of materialism, have propounded innumerable theories, mostly incorrect, and the fun of it is that they are aware of their fallacies. However, being materialist, they stick to their wrong attitude. In my book I have criticized some of these scholars, several of whom are Nobel Prize winners.

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Bucaille is no scientist or renowned scholar for saying such nonsense.
       
       But hey, keep the Islamic propaganda machine churning.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    I said the universe is a cloud of smoke. .ie an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition.
    Here is the solid proof that i came to know from - THE FIRST THREE MINUTES, MODERN VIEW OF THE ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE, by STEVEN STEINBERG( PAGE 103) IT STATES AS BELOW:
    The universe is so dense that even the neutrinos, which can travel for years through lead bricks without being scattered, are kept in thermal equilibrium with the electrons, positrons and photons by rapid collisions with them and with each other.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Sorry his name is STEVEN WEINBERG.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Definition of smoke-
    smoke  (smk)
    n.
    1. The vaporous system made up of small particles of carbonaceous matter in the air, resulting mainly from the burning of organic material, such as wood or coal.
    2. A suspension of fine solid or liquid particles in a gaseous medium.
    3. A cloud of fine particles.
    4. Something insubstantial, unreal, or transitory.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Maurice Bucaille (19 July 1920 in Pont-L'Eveque, France- 17 February 1998[1]), son of Maurice and Marie (James) Bucaille,[2] was a French medical doctor, member of the French Society of Egyptology, and an author. Bucaille practiced medicine from 1945–82 and was a specialist in gastroenterology.[2] In 1973, Bucaille was appointed family physician to King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. Another of his patients at the time included members of the family of then President of Egypt, Anwar Sadat.[3]
    
    The Bible, The Qur'an and Science
    
    In 1976 Bucaille published his book, The Bible, The Qur'an and Science which argued that the Qur'an contains no statements contradicting established scientific facts.[4] Bucaille argued that the Qur'an is in agreement with scientific facts, while the Bible is not. He states that in Islam, science and religion have always been “twin sisters” (vii). According to Bucaille, there are monumental errors of science in the Bible and not a single error in the Qur'an. Bucaille's belief is that the Qur'an's descriptions of natural phenomena make it compatible with modern science. Bucaille concludes that the Qur'an is the words of God.
    
    Bucaille argues that the Old Testament has been distorted because of numerous translations and corrections as it was transmitted orally. He highlights, in his words, “numerous disagreements and repetitions”, in the Old Testament and the Gospels. In his analysis, Bucaille claims he makes use of many propositions of Biblical criticism, such as the documentary hypothesis. .
    
    Bucaillism
    
    Bucaillism is a term used by academics to denote the movement to relate modern science with religion, and especially that of Islam.[5]
    
    Since the publishing of The Bible, the Quran and Science, Bucaillists have promoted the idea that the Qur'an is of divine origin, arguing that it contains scientifically correct facts.[6][7]
    
    Rebuttal of Bucaillist theories
    
    Methodological remarks
    
    Maurice Bucaille’s concordist theories have faced some criticism. William F. Campbell maintains that Maurice Bucaille does not evaluate the Qur’an with the same standards he uses to judge the Bible. Indeed, Bucaille demands that the Bible comply with 20th century scientific language, while he finds acceptable that the Qur’an isn’t written with such scientific rigor, because the Qur’an, as he writes: “is expressed in a language that suits farmers or nomads of the Arabic peninsula”.[8] Thus, the objectivity claimed by Bucaille is only theoretical.[9]
    Source:wikipedia. Link : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Bucaille

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       "Muslim Opposition to Bucailleism
       
       This search for cryptic Qur'ānic "miracles of science" is a relatively recent fad in Islamic history. It has become popular with fundamentalists, but it hasn't met with much approval among Muslim intellectuals. Renowned Indian Islamic theologian Maulana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanvi (author of Behesti Jewar) opposes this methodology on four counts.2 Likewise, many leading Islamic scientists in Western and Arab universities are embarrassed by Bucailleism."
       
       

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          Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          He thinks he's right because he uses caps?

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    WITH WHAT PROOF YOU TROUBLED MAN CALLED HIM -NO SCIENTIST AND NO RENOWNED SCHOLAR??????????????????
    YOUR TRASH DOES NOT HAVE ANY VALUE HERE.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Anything else you All WANT TO KNOW???????????????
    IF NOT THEN I SAY THAT THIS FORUM IS CLOSED AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH) DID NOT SAY THOSE WORDS IN THE QURAN! BUT GOD DID. Hence LARRYPRICE WROTE WRONG QUESTION WHICH I HAD ANSWERED WITH PROOFS.

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       Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       So we've established sperm comes from a space between the back ribs and spine?
       
       So we've established the sun's orbit is responsible for our days and nights?
       
       So we've established the universe was formed from smoke?

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The Quran is only Muhammads words. You have no evidence they are the word of a god. Sorry.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    I'M SO SORRY AND I PITY FOR YOU TROUBLED MAN AND RAD MAN THAT AGAIN YOU BOTH DO NOT SHOW EVIDENCE AND YOU BOTH ARE REALLY DISTURBED BY YOUR THEORIES. I HAD PROVED EVERYTHING BUT IT IS GOD WHO CAN UNLOCK YOUR LOCKED HEARTS. WHAT WAS THE REASON LAUREN BOOTH ACCEPTED ISLAM???????????? I CAN EVEN GO NO WITH A LIST OF KNOWN CHRISTIAN WHO ACCEPTED ISLAM AND THEIR VIEWS ABOUT ISLAM ! BUT I DO NOT DISCUSS WITH CRAP-HEADED PEOPLE WHOSE MIND'S ARE FILLED WITH ERRORS...WITH THIS I LEAVE THIS FORUM

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       Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Why are you so angry, I thought we were just having a peaceful conversation?
       
       Would you like me to supply a list of people who converted from Islam? Do you really think because some convert to Islam it makes Islam right.
       
       Still think the earth is shaped like an egg?
       
       

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You have provided no evidence, either.
       
       
       
       Copying and pasting Islamic propaganda and lies is not proving anything.
       
       
       
       So what?
       
       
       
       We that are known as "crap-headed people" wish you all the best on your campaign of propaganda, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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          Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You know it may work on a few of those know as Non-Crap-Headed people.

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    mrnasirposted 12 years ago

    According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year: "
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DNWs2yozNw
    If Quran & Islam isn't right then why non muslims are accepting it...
    What do you think, are they converting without knowing?

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       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The fact that people are converting does not mean that the religion is true.  It means that purple are willing to believe it.  A lot of people convert to other religions, too.  Does that make those religions true as well?

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          mrnasirposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Some people think that Islam is a violent religion, etc...
          those people who convert, research and understand everything before accepting. It's not like that they're just willing to believe without knowing and understanding.

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             A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             They probably think it when they see Islamic violence.
             
             
             
             Yes, it is just like that.

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          Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          What they don't tell you is that if one converts from Islam, one is branded an apostate and is likely to be killed by friends/family/random religious police nut job.

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             mrnasirposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             I'm talking about something else.You should understand my point first.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    There is nothing to argue and prove about, i DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY RAD MAN AND TROUBLED MAN'S HEAD IS NOT WORKING AND MOVING AND THINKING?????????????

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       Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Our heads are working just fine. You are just failing to convince us, that's not our fault. Perhaps you should try harder.

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          A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          He isn't even trying at all, just doing the same thing other Muslims do, copy and paste the same old and tired Islamic propaganda.

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             Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             The only difference I see between Christians and Muslims here at least is the Muslims become angry much much faster. They go straight to all caps.

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                A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Or, they go straight to hate speech...
                
                

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Hey, I'm using the caps so that you see better and I'm not angry at all.....lol.....

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       Rad Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Well, here is a heads up, all caps looks like you are yelling. And agreeing with someone who calls others names and tells them they will be slaughtered like pigs is not a good way of have a conversation to promote your religion.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Simple! The QURAN doesn't say this......where are your glasses rad man??

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    grand old ladyposted 12 years ago

    Why is it that the Quran has to be read in Arabic in order to be learned correctly? We have Muslims in the Philippines who know "Quran Arabic" which means they know it insofar as reading the Quran but they can't converse in the language. Why can't it be good enough to read the Quran in English, or any other  language so that it can be more clearly understood? And even the writing of Arabic is very different, so it must be really hard to convert with full knowledge of what this entails, unless the person is really well versed in Arabic.

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       It doesn't have to be read in Arabic, that is just one of many lame excuses used by apologist Muslims who are under the delusion languages can't be translated from one to the other.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    As the revelation was taught in Arabic at that time of the Prophet (pbuh), it is good to honour the revelation in its actual form. Apart from this, there is a translation in English by Abdullah yusuf Ali. I myself read the revelation QURAN in its actual form.

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       grand old ladyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, there are translations but they don't have the same validity as reading the original form as you yourself have pointed out. This is one of the main reasons why Islam has not evolved with the times and retains many practices that others cannot in any way imagine to be worthy of approval. I refer here to honor killings, stoning, caning, the consideration of OFWs as properties of their owners rather than as free people, and so many other practices that come from a very ancient time in history. I refer to the blasphemy law, the policies of the sharia courts, and so much more. In limiting the Quran to one language, you limit the opportunity for dialogue, for new interpretations, for the entry of other cultures to manifest changes. All of this leads to a war between timezones that result in serious and deadly consequences.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Look granny, if you do know anything then don't blame people in the name of Islam. Whatever you say needs revisions. We're not discussing politics here, but religion. And as far as religion is concerned, it is not politics. If you don't know anything, then please don't comment without revisions. It creates misunderstanding and disinformation. We have faiths and certain beliefs to say what is in Islam, as the forum topic is about it. You can view the comments put previously and then put worth your views about it.

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       grand old ladyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       you are being disingenuous. Many Islamic countries have no separation of religion and state. They aren't secular and so you have extremism of this sort. Tell me, what is the blasphemy law? Doesn't that mix religion with politics? Why do passports of OFWs in many Muslim countries have a stamp that says "property of ..." inferring they are not people with rights? The OFWs can't read arabic and they don't know what it says. isn't that a government staff? Don't deflect. Answer the questions. Bluster does not compensate for substance.

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Speaking of not knowing anything, Islam controls many facets of Muslim state politics. And yes, you do indeed create disinformation.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    And I'm not talking to you troubled man......as you are an atheist, you do not know anything as you don't want to discuss anything good for mankind. You create laughter, mimicking and criticise ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY. Your mind is not accepting it so better leave the forum. Don't create misunderstanding and false propaganda about any religion here, as you don't think at all. Broad your mind and start thinking.

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       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You get that you don't run or rule the forums, right?  Atheists are just as welcome to express their opinions just like you are.

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       psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       "as you are an atheist, you do not know anything as you don't want to discuss anything good for mankind... Broad your mind and start thinking."
       
       My mind is open enough to see the irony of opening with a derogatory stereotype and then asking for broader thinking.

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, and your religion has taught you that I am your enemy to be feared and loathed.
       
       
       
       Funny how accuse everyone here of not knowing anything, yet everyone else is pointing out and clarifying your disinformation and lies.
       
       
       
       Your posts are totally devoid of thinking.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Ofcourse they are welcome......and i never said I'm ruling forums. But I'm just saying that if an atheist doesn't know about any religion, then you should always do research about it not create misunderstanding and criticise ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY. One should always go deep in studies and then comment upon it. Blaming  PROPHET(PBUH) without knowing him is a matter of discussion here ,not false agendas which the troubled man creates.

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       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I have a degree in Christian theology, even though I'm an atheist.  I'd say that I've done my research, thanks

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    So do you have a degree in Islamic theology?? What's the topic of discussion, do you know what we are taking about?

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       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I have studied enough about Islam and Muslim life to know that I dislike and disagree with its teachings every bit as much as I dislike and disagree with christianity.

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You certainly don't.

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       psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       If you will only engage respectfully with people having that degree, why on earth are you posting in a forum where 99.9% of users aren't "good enough" to take part?

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    It only means you had not studied properly.
    I just want to ask you a question, very simple, as i know that you are an atheist you do not believe in GOD. Just tell me is GOD really there or not?

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       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       there is no evidence to point to the existence of any god at all, let alone a specific one.  there is simply no way to know with absolute certainty either way.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    I'm just asking because i know that you love integrity, morality and honesty. I do like it and want to live a life as such. If I become an atheist then I'll be certainly be having a question of GOD? What always disturbs me is only that, even if I want to live a life like an atheist then I'll still have questions in my mind. This can only be proved by logic and thinking straight.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    I don't agree with granny, the media violates all laws......including blasphemy law.

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       That is a blatant lie.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    And is say you one thing, there should not be a blasphemy law. I do not say regarding this it is not allowed in Islam again. There are no such laws, people created such laws, not Islam. Islam is perfect, people are not.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Whether it be a Islamic country, i don't think they are right making laws as such to harass mankind. For my thinking, i do not support these kinds of cruelty to anybody.....a Muslim or a non-Muslim.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    ok. then tell me what is a domino theory? it does not relates to any religion, i want the answer in general from any dictionary, not the history to which this theory is applied.

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       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       1. A theory that if one nation comes under Communist control, then neighboring nations will also come under Communist control.
       2. A theory that one event will set off a train of similar events.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    you see as im not taking the history part of it, lets put in general according to the mathematical theory of domino. here the theory is used in mathematical induction. this theory relates a very important cause why we are here if you think logically....
    according to the mathematical induction theorem, only an event is set to cause series of events, in other sense,
    Defination:
    Mathematical induction is a method of mathematical proof typically used to establish that a given statement is true for all natural numbers (positive integers). It is done by proving that the first statement in the infinite sequence of statements is true, and then proving that if any one statement in the infinite sequence of statements is true, then so is the next one.
    
    Now i say, using this logic, that the amoeba was created(a unicellular organism), but someone here caused to create an amoeba, ie, a multicellular organism-can me man ,animals...etc then the origin of man is questioned, from where man is being created, the answer can be because the world was created, then i ask how was the world created? , because the solar system was created, how was the solar system created?, because the galaxies where created, but there are so many galaxies, starts and other planets?....because the universe was created, when was the universe created? are there many universes?....and the list goes on and on...beyond our thinking and imagination, at this point im sure you agree as it is a BIG QUESTION....now you see according to the domino theory, there are several questions..ie events which occured. BUT I ASK YOU ONE THING NOW WHO DO YOU THINK CAUSED THIS EVENT TO OCCUR????
    BIG QUESTION, ISNT IT? AT LEAST ONE EVENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SERIES OF EVENTS TO OCCUR, AN EXTERNAL FORCE IS APPLIED BY SOMEONE FOR THIS SERIES OF EVENT TO OCCUR? RIGHT?.....WHAT IS IT ,,,,TELL ME ?

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       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The first cause argument is worthless.  Even if you can prove a first cause (which you can't) you cannot translate that first cause to a "god" let alone a specific god.  You cannot logically go from "a possible first cause of the universe" to Mohammed or Islam.  Christians use the first cause argument all of the time, and it fails just as quickly.  You're using an argument from ignorance/incredulity - you can't imagine how something could exist without a cause, therefore it must be god - and not just ANY god, but the god that you believe in already. 
       
       http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php? … irst_cause

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       A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Certainly well beyond any think you can think or imagine, but that doesn't apply to the scientists who have answers to those questions, which of course, you'll simply reject or deny.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    Yes ,you are right jamie, it is GOD. it does not fails, it remains. its true. someone should be responsible for a cause. for example, a day begins, you brush you teeth , watch tv, do some work, play games, eat, go to buy groceries...are all events, who caused these events??? i can easily say you caused it. you are the one responsible for these events...isnt it?? so why do you not think this through...the christian say the same ,,,i know that they fail. forget islam, read the bible, why in the bible  it is mentioned about GOD???  as you had done degree in it ,,,then why not believe it?

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       JMcFarlandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You cannot logically assert that it is god.  You cannot get from a possible, yet unproven cause to declaring that cause to be god - let alone a specific god - just because you WANT to.  That is not the way science, logic, philosophy or debate work.
       
       You would first need to prove that there was a cause.  Stating it is not proving it.  Then you would needed to prove that this "cause" can be called god - when it defies the principles of the first cause argument already.  Then you would have to prove that this cause is not only god, but YOUR god.  Christians have been trying (and failing) for centuries, and muslims have not faired any better.  I'm sorry, you haven't proven anything - just made a bunch of assertions that you CANNOT prove at all.

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    sorry ,,, i didnt know your name was julie McFarland. Apology

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    Monisa Ahmedposted 12 years ago

    How? show me..

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