INNER Experiences: Are they real?

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Ciaxposted 11 years ago

Hello everyone. I am a newcomer. I have just noticed how religion (and less philosophy) dominates the forums here. It's pretty disgusting to see mature(really?) and grown up people start disruptive and insult fist-fights on a venue that is for writers to communicate.

Here is a little question for you. Most of you deny God or anything which is 'spiritual'. I can attest the fact that spiritual experiences exist. Many people experience feelings which are so exotic that it becomes a milestone in their life. It's real. It has basis in reality. And just to add a bit compactness, I myself had had the fortune to experience a 'kundalini' awakening.

The bottom line: Most of you blather incessantly over issues you have little grasp over, or (actually) none.

Just thought I should throw a stone in the pond.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Gosh - did your other persona get banned already? That was fast.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What are you talking about? I am a newcomer.
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  moneyfairyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You are so right on!!! I just started a thread a while back asking ; "Who believes in Angels" and there were some wonderful responses but then it got all distorted with, as you say above "insults and mental fist-fights" by people who had no idea what they were talking about and they obviously couldn't read otherwise they wouldn't keep blathering on endlessly about anything other than the question I originally asked. So I ended up just leaving it . It's sad really that supposed creative writers have to behave so appaulingly. But that's life , there will always be the cyber/bullies and the ignoramouses that hide behind the computer. I even told them to please stop and I flagged them but I am the one that got cut off for 3 days??? because I called them on being bullies???Go figure.
  I definitely believe in all the spirtual experiences that I had as some of them saved my life. But I am sure you'll get a mile of dis-believers pilling up this thread. Thanks for starting it though.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  First of all, lots of thanks to you. It's nice to find people who have known the truth, and are willing to share it.
  
  Just to let you know, I am not actually that much concerned about what happens to an internet thread. Once you know truth, it doesn't matter what people are gossiping about it.
  
  Anyway, lots of smiles again.
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  moneyfairyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  so true!!! thanks!! The truth shall prevail!!! One's own inner knowingness is what really counts, all else is insignificant!!
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You can't control opinions in a public place.
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  moneyfairyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Welcome Ciax and I'd love to hear about your kundalini experience. How long did it take for you to reach that state of being?
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well, when I was a tyke, kundalini could fire up when I would encounter anything which was 'grand' (think of a starry sky, images of foreign countries etc.).
  
  With age, I lost some of that. I just can't describe how happy I used to be when I had kundalini. It seemed like a heaven.
  
  Anyway, now I need to work hard to make my kundalini rise. I work out (physical), maintain strict inner (mental) descipline, take selective food (vegetarian) and try to perceive the true reality. It doesn't come free now, and now it wants to escape as soon as it comes. Part of being an educated adult, I guess.
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  moneyfairyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Wow what an interesting life you have created and felt. You must be truly disciplined, do you meditate for hours every day?
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I do meditate, but unlike those pretentious yoga classes, I do not have a regime of meditation. It should come naturally, without any force (what they teach) or feeling of pain.
  
  The best and easiest meditation that I know, is telling the truth just when one feels the temptation to tell the lie.
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  moneyfairyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, it should not be forced. I just do the breathing in through your nose and into your stomach and then out through my mouth, deeply and slowly then clear my mind of all thoughts and then sometimes have a question that I ask before I go in too deep then most always I'll get an answer maybe not one that I'd like to hear but there always is an answer.
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  moneyfairyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I know there are several forms of meditation, walking meditation and eating meditation and now like you just mentioned truth meditation
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The objective is to know reality in its pure form. That includes the knowledge of one's own true self.
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  moneyfairyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  that is correct!!!
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well then, let's "weigh" your stone to see if there's evidence of incessant blathering.
  
  Essentially, the qualifier in your post is...
  
  Exotic feelings = spiritual experience
  
  It would appear your stone has turned into a small speck of dust held aloft by so much hot air, which I think you've termed incessant blathering and not likely even making a ripple in the pond.
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  sparksterposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You're not the only person here to experience a Kundalini awakening, others here have written about their experiences.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  One can experience many things in one's own mind. But when things happen in one's own mind it doesn't make sense to extend the experiences to something outside your own mind.
  Call back when you can make a plate float.
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  Renee Abbottposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes a person can experience something where others see it as well. The point though is why bother to try to explain it. To me I find it pushy, so I do not. Some people experience and some question what they experience, while others tend to not experience anything. None are wrong, they just living in their reality or realm.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  While a schizophrenic my here voices in his head these voices are a product of a problem in his mind. These voices are only real to him or her. The same is true to all other who hear voices or experiences that other do not.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "The same is true to all other who hear voices or experiences that other do not."
  
  -How does someone hear 'experiences'?
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  However, you might have meant that anyone who goes through an experience that others do not, is schizophrenic, and that his experience is subjective and is only valid to him.
  
  Not many people have experienced weightlessness. Some did, the astronauts.
  
  So, according to your theory, those who have experienced weightlessness are schizophrenic as well.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Those astronauts are actually experiencing weightlessness. They can see, hear and touch each other experiencing the same things. That's different then you meditating for a few hours and feeling like your floating in your own mind, but you have no collaboration from the outside world.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I see. So when an astronaut (or anyone else) is experiencing weightlessness alone, he/she should be considered a schizophrenic.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It isn't about being schizophrenic, just being subjective or objective. Weightlessness can be confirmed by an impartial observer (person or instrument). Subjective can't.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  A blind person (impartial observer) can not confirm weightlessness. If all of humanity were blind, except one person, then that person's experience of weightlessness can never be confirmed by anyone else.
  
  Hence, that experience can be termed subjective.
  
  Our powers of color vision derive from cells in our eyes, called cones, three types in all, each triggered by different wavelengths of light. Living among us are people with four cones, who might experience a range of colors invisible to the rest.
  
  Similarly, some people may have been gifted with extra neurons and neuronal connections. Naturally, their perception of reality is very different from others'. Spirituality, kundalini awakening - all these are true. One day, we might be able to establish them scientifically.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Or, some people may have fewer neurones and neuronal connections and their perception of reality would be distorted. They may think that they can float when in reality they are not.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to miss the point that confirmation is by agreement of observers. Someone else could tell the blind person whether they are floating. Or they could video-tape themselves and get it checked.
  
  The subjective is subjective, no second observer can confirm it. It can be accurate (e.g. a memory of something that actually happened) or it can be inaccurate (e.g. the feeling of floating when one is not actually floating).
  
  That is really all there is to it.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If all of humanity were blind, then there would be no observer to confirm someone's experience of weightlessness.
  
  If all of humanity were blind, except one person, then that person could never prove to others that weightlessness is possible. He could video-tape himself floating in a spaceship, but that evidence is of no use to convince blind juries.
  
  The same applies to those who experience a range of colors invisible to others (they see more colors because they have four cones in their eyes, while most people have three cones).
  
  And the same applies to those who experience the true nature of reality (because they are gifted with extra neurons and neuronal connections), which they term as kundalini awakening, spirituality etc. They are gifted with biological make up which others don't have.
  
  It's difficult though, to convince others that those experiences are real.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's difficult because they only happen in your head.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's difficult because everyone else have 3 cones (the cells that receive color) in their eyes, while some people have 4 cones. They see a part of reality (more colors) which the rest of us can't see.
  
  The Humans With Super Human Vision
  http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-au … man-vision
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's right, the whole world just can't see you float or glow or whatever it is you claim to do. There may be medication that can help you with that.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Look you changed this post as well. These are not the posts I responded to.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If you don't know what a cone cell is, then you can't understand the context. You can start your education right here-
  
  1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_cell
  
  2) http://webvision.umh.es/webvision/photo1.html
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  (in space) we can all see that. I don't know why you keep bring that up. What a strange claim to make "They need help if they can't see that man can float in space."
  
  Make up your mind. First you say "It's difficult because everyone else is blind." Everyone else means all people. Then you say "And the whole world isn't blind as well". Well which is it?
  
  Go get some evidence you can do something spectacular, I'm not going to just take your word for it. I will no longer respond unless I see evidence to back up your outlandish claims.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good to see you talking to yourself, Rad Man.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, you went back and changed your post in an attempt to make my post look stupid. How clever and dishonest of you.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If all humanity was blind they would use radar guns or touch to confirm these things.
  
  Something can either be confirmed by an impartial observer, or it can't.
  
  You also seem to have skipped over the part where I said some experiences that can't be confirmed are still accurate. Perhaps because you prefer arguing with people than agreeing with them.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure how a blind person can use radar guns to confirms someone's experience of weightlessness. If they use touch as a method to confirm that, they would never be quite sure that they didn't make any mistake while they were confirming .
  
  Yes, I quite missed that 'a memory of something that actually happened' is subjective. Yes, it is. Just like my memory that I saw the Sun a few minutes ago.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  A radar gun measure where something is without touching it. Vision is not the only sense we can use to collect data.
  
  But objectivity and accuracy are completely different things.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Careful with this one. He changes his posts and then asks what I'm talking about. Not a little typo change, but a completely different post. That's unethical for someone who claims he's gifted. He thinks he can float when he is not in water or space because if the whole world was blind nobody would be able to disprove him. This indicates he lies.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure how a radar gun can be used to confirm that someone is floating in space, especially when the operator (who is also the impartial observer) of the device is blind.
  
  Touch is not a reliable method to confirm weightlessness (neither are the remaining three senses).
  
  The essence is that the realization of objective reality is dependent on our biological make-up. Even the presence of an additional cell in the retina can enable a person to see a part of reality which is obscure to the rest of us.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you have pictures of yourself floating?
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh come on! That's not at all what I said. I merely stated that schizophrenics may hear and see people that don't actually exist because of a problem in the brain. I did not say anyone experience weightlessness is schizophrenic. I will say that if you are experiencing weightlessness and you are not in water or in space then the weightlessness in all in your own mind. If you think you are actually floating then I suggest you video yourself as proof. We can all imagine weightlessness, you are not alone, except you may be alone if you think you are actually floating.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "The same is true to all other who hear voices or experiences that other do not."
  
  You have now modified your theory.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What are you talking about? I have no theory, just facts. You can't float. That is a fact. You may feel like you are floating but that doesn't mean you are actually floating.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have already provided enough visual evidence that a person can indeed float.
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  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  In space and in water you can float. Have you heard of this thing called gravity?
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  In other words, man can float (under certain circumstances).
  
  Whereas you denied that very fact previously-
  
  "You can't float. That is a fact. You may feel like you are floating but that doesn't mean you are actually floating."
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Clearly the assumption was prevailing conditions on the ground, on Earth.
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But, only in your imagination can they float.
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  Ciaxposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  
  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zero_G.jpg
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If you were really disgusted by insults and fights, you wouldn't insults and combative questions. I think you awakening needs a little more work.
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Renee Abbottposted 11 years ago
I guess I have gotten to a point in life that I am not concern if another understands the 'spirit', or spiritual aspects. It might have to do with age, and being a very spiritual witch for the majority of my life. I do not follow people nor do I wish to lead. I feel our world is going to offer different views and I welcome it. I can love a Christian(which really is progress for me), a Jew, a Witch, a heathen,Islam and an athiest, for i see the person as not a should, could or have to principle, but just a person.
Blessed Be
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janesixposted 11 years ago
Be careful with Kundalini. Make sure you know "who" you are dealing with. It's a tricky situation. Stay on the right path. The path through Jesus Christ.
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Rad Manposted 11 years ago
Are you floating right now. I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation. You are right. Go ahead and float.
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