I was reading an article on the net which advocated that God's law of the old testament no longer applied after Jesus' death. By dying he released people from the law to serve the new way of spirit and not the old way of the written law;
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1â��2)
Then it goes on to say Christs' Law is this;
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. (John 13:34â��35)
Is the above God's law or is it something more?
If they don't have answers out of NT, they will always borrow answers from OT which is where 2/3 of their entire history comes from.
Lol yes but most of Christianity is founded on belief in Jesus. Borrowing from the OT would negate Jesus command.
(Somehow it isn't what I want to say and I have tried it different ways lol oh well leave it that way and Ill add later if necessary.)
Well the last half or 1/3 of OT history was just learning how to write. And the prior 1/3 history the Dinosaurs should have eaten everyone up.
The Jew needed the NT or they would still be making love to camels or turtles today. Laws are made to be bent then broken and then changed, maybe the Bible will disappear all together
No time line. God is omnipotent Alpha and Omega. No old testament. No Apostle writings. No disciple writings unless the are "red letter" and the only really true red letter law is LOVE. Definately no Church writings are Gods' law.
Last I heard, there were ten of them and they seemed pretty clear to me.
Actually, there were 15 of them. But whats-his-name dropped one of the tablets on the way back down the mountain. He wouldn't cop to it, so we will never know what those last 5 were. The only reason I know is because the Mayans told me.
(1) Do not worship any god other than Yahweh.
(2) Do not make molten gods.
(3) Keep the feast of unleavened bread.
(4) The firstborn offspring of every cow and sheep is to be sacrificed to God.
(5) The seventh day of each week is set aside to rest.
(6) Observe the feast of weeks.
(7) All male children must appear before God three times per year.
(8) The blood of a sacrifice shall not be offered together with yeast, nor shall the sacrifice of the Passover feast be left until the next morning.
(9) The "first of the firstfruits" of the land are to be brought before God.
(10) Do not boil a baby goat in its mother's milk.
Galatians 2:16-21 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Jesus confirmed Gods Law when He gave the command to love others.
Here is Gods Law:Do to other people what you would like them to do to you.
Do not do to other people what you do not want them to do to you.
In most western countries including the U.S that is the law of the land. Law number one is crinimal law and law number two is civil law.
As I understand it, in the OT you had to be saved through works, whether it's sacrificing an animal or doing good deeds. In the NT you are saved by faith. So if you receive Jesus in your life by faith, all your sins are forgiven, past, present and future. This is because when Jesus died on the cross, he was like a sacrificial lamb, and he died so that all men's sins could be forgiven. So this was the new covenant. Some say that means you can sin in the future because everything is forgiven. But when you receive Jesus, you have grace and you begin to change naturally. You become a better person and do good deeds without effort, without trying.
The change has to be experienced to be understood. And you don't become 100 percent good in a nanosecond. It's a journey. But when you first receive Jesus, grace is imparted and your worldview naturally changes, and you change too. And from there you move onward.
I trust in my faith. I simply believe in the Lord. I read Bible passages. I let Him guide me each day. I don't consider anything to be a law. My love for the Lord is there and all. It is belief, it is trust, it is love not law.
Jesus did not release us from Gods Law. You can read about it in Matthew and in Luke six.
We are to, lead by the Holy Spirit obey this law every day.
Luke 6 is more about guidance. When you receive Jesus you naturally change and want to be better, and this guidance shows us how to do it. It poses new alternatives to doing things and a new worldview different from what we knew before. When you receive Jesus you receive grace which empowers you to live differently. Personally, once I knew that grace there was no way I wanted to look back.
When our friend does say "do not speed" we understand they mean the law of the highway and government. When the spirit announces "do not speed" we know we are not under a law but empowered not to speed. I prefer empowerment over strict adherence to man's law.
Gods law(s) are: the ten commandments and the 613 rules or laws throughout the Pentateuch.
Jesus law(s) are two: love the lord God with all your heart etc... love your neighbors as yourself.
There is no contradiction here.
We are freed from the 613 laws because 216 had to do with sacrifice, 111 the running of the temple. Then there's food and cleansing, etc... These no longer apply. The 10 commandments you can do what you want with, the two of Jesus will cover all 10.
we...means you too, right?....remember the rules you write about....i will never, ever forget what you wrote for Ernest's family to read after he died............that was shameful, hurtful and unnecessary
There is some deep hurt going on here. There are no Laws only the commandment to love. I hope you can ease your pain in some way, somewayouttahere.
.....i don't like the way the 'bro' spouts off...when he should walk the talk he writes about...and of course he offended Ernest's memory and for his family to read....the bro is so contradictory of what he preaches here...so....i feel compelled to remind him of his "BS"....he preaches..but i feel he doesn't live by the what he preaches about here and i have had the experience of reading his shite....i'm not in pain by this assH****...i'm pointing out his contradictions.........if you believe in something...then live by it...................................................................................otherwise i cannot take any words written by him seriously........i think he is a 'born again utlra' and for me that means 'my way or the highway' or 'don't do as i do but do as i say'....he doesn't like it when someone has an opinion that differs with his 'way of life' whatever the f that is...i think he makes up his own rules....depending on the day....................................sorry Eric!...but i just have to say it - no offense to you......and as for the Bro...f you!...
OK. I read his stuff out of interest because you sound so distraught. There are folks like me. We believe in you and not the law. People are to be raised up, not laws raised up.
hey Eric...good to meet you...i'm not distraught...i'm direct..sometimes.people confuse my emotions with my directness with what i have to say....excuse the 'swearing'....it's just me these days...i figure i just gotta roll with it....time to take my boots off i guess...ha ha ha ...........................i like what you wrote above
Yada yada yada. I see a lot of presumption Somewayout in your posts and i don't believe i have to try to account for what information you can absorb or what is not bs to you, so propaganda away buddy.
As to what i wrote about ernest, it was truth. suck it up. Lets hope none of us ever get that malevolent toward God before sudden or any kind of death. ( I know, it kinda sends a shiver down the spine, don't it)
As to anything else... we does mean me too.
As to what i wrote about the laws, pretty simple stuff.
I'm malevolent towards god NOW. the god of the bible is a maniacal, mob-boss tyrant and even if it WAS proven that he exists (which it isn't) I would still refuse to worship such an egomaniac.
In honors of Ernest I’m building Homeless homes for the poor
In thought of Brotherly, I built a sculpture, untitled “ 400th End the World party”. It got twin towers, volcanoes, huge floods, comets, houses and buildings on fire, it’s wiping out the entire earth.
That 99% part of the earth we don’t know about, turns into hell with a dozen people being tortured, just to remind us how much God love us.
Would you like to send you a Christmas card of it.
Now i know why i get posts like yours. You believe what you want to believe and criteria or data doesn't even matter. I don't believe in hell so why put that on there? Intellectual dishonesty? Twin towers? I'm canadian. I can imagine what the homes are gonna be like, but thanks for the waste of computer harddrive space.
If you want to do a sandcastle for me, make it happy. Im only sleeping.
blah blah blah....
suck it up?...and shiver down the spine?....bro?...so, even if you had a thought that you believed was truth ...you'd intentionally hurt someone with your truth?....especially knowing you'd hurt someone...or would ya hold back your 'punch' and maybe try to be gentle....'gentle' being the key word here.....i'll say it again, in case you missed that...'gentle'............knowing that would be the better way..(.god's way - love and all that good stuff you wrote about somewhere up above)...most people would know how to behave during extremely sensitive times....like say, ummm.... death?.......or what the hell, just say suck it up....and throw your punch....
Hey CP good to run into ya!......have fun shovelling that white stuff
I would agree with you bro, if your idea of God was honesty kind, loving, and merciful god.
Then how is it possible that he could possibly allow man to suffer eternal condemnation in hell? How could He allow man to be separated from Him for eternity?"
I will only believe you brotherly if you personal attempt to remove the Bible denote a place of burning torment, a condition of suffering ... Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903), -, 0, 0 ... In the King James Bible, the term "hell" is used 54 times; 31 times in the Old Testament. Or where are you coming from, if hell dose not exist in the bible.
You say you have only two laws
1. Jesus- Love the lord God with all your heart etc
CP- Most people on earth will not accept loving Yahweh with all their heart , so where do they go from there?
2. Jesus Love your neighbors as yourself.
That is acceptable with common sense, all cultures and religion seek to practice this
My two laws
1. Be Honest
2. Do not harm
it's funny - christians still cling to the 10 commandments in the old testament (although several versions of the 10 commandments exist) and consider all of them valid. They still use the old testament to condemn homosexuals. They just do away with the laws that they'd rather disobey intentionally, like eating shellfish, wearing a cotton-poly blend, stoning your disobedient children, forcing women to marry their rapists or working on the sabbath. That's cherry picking, and it is notorious within christianity. The bible can be interpreted a million different ways by a million different people and ALL of them believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong. That's why a bunch of denominations spring up that reject each other and claim superiority. According to Jesus in Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them" also, "I can guarantee this truth: Until the earth and the heavens disappear, neither a period nor a comma will disappear from Moses' Teachings before everything has come true." Matthew 5:18.
You believe that you're saved just by your faith? The bible doesn't. Actually, the bible kind of doesn't agree with ITSELF on this point. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” -Ephesians 2:8,9; “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?” -James 2:14' “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” –James 2:18 James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
In fact the bible doesn't agree with itself on a number of points. Funny, that.
do away with the laws that they'd rather disobey intentionally
Interesting, are you saying that because people struggle to, i dunno, stop smoking that they are breaking the Law of God? Or that some christians who cheat on their income tax or have trouble managing their anger or drinking that these are breaking one of the 10 commandments? Which commandments do we discard? the 6th, 7th and 8th or the 1st commandment. I really don't understand what laws you are talking about?
neither a period nor a comma will disappear from Moses' Teachings before everything has come true.
Now the problem with your interpretation of the above verse is that you do not know when everything has come true. or (kjb) matt 5:18 all has been fulfilled. Revelations had not been written yet so i doubt jesus was talking about that book. The gospels were not written yet. So suffice it to say, that what Jesus is talking about is that everything concerning him written in the OT was fulfilled (be brought to pass). And this happened on the cross and that day of Pentecost (acts 2). So alterations to the bible can and as God probably knew, once printing presses were made the inevitable would happen and voila! we have the NIV version lol.
Pertaining to different denominations... the following is true. Every denomination, except catholic and the obvious cults, has a high percentage of correctness as to doctrine and christian creed. This makes them contenders in the arena of spiritual belief based on God the creator of all things. There is nothing wrong with this, when you consider the true followers were eventually wiped out, except for Gods faithful remnant, in mass persecution that many of us, in north america, can't even imagine. Then we have to realize that the catholic religion claimed exclusivity to these books from an early start until luthers 99 thesis on the vatican door and here we have also an excellent example of how hard it is for new doctrines to penetrate the church or society. How many new doctrines occur? What was the last wave of "new" truth to infiltrate the church scene and when was that? Churches change but a little bit, miniscule changes. Oh yah, some commotion about gay people into the anglican church, anyway, every denomination rose up from the former, it separated because someone grabbed a new truth. And some of these new truths became more evident and obvious, as archeological excavations revealed more insight into the past, as great men of god rose up who studied night and day, and then once we got to have access to the original Hebrew, well, Hebrew wasn't really such a problem thanks to the Masoretics - but the Greek turns out to be a nightmare to the readers of the bible, once it was released 1600 yrs later, by King James, a catholic, after Jesus death and after "all things were fulfilled". (about Jesus in the OT).
James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone." As i have stated before, James ran a compromised church, (Acts 21:20) Christ followers but very zealous of the Law. Christ for salvation, but the Law for righteousness attitude, so James when he wrote what he wrote about works, he was incorrect according to the Pauline and Jesus teachings. When James said, even the devils tremble too, James probably did believe in devil beings, much like the rest of Judaism. Do devils exist? NO. Is James wrong? Yes. Should he have been canonized? Hmmm, but he does say some good stuff too although his philosophy is Christ for salvation and the Law for righteousness based, which is not what christendom at large says at all. Does the bible contradict itself? NO. Is canon perfect? NO. James and Jude are the biggest upset books in the NT. Jude of course was James brother and i think, Jude believed in the book of Enoch as part of HIS 'canon'.
this is YOUR religion. It's shocking to realize how little you know about it. I was a theology student in one of the most famous biblical colleges of the world. It made me become an atheist. I KNOW more about your religion than you do. I find that humorous, to say the least.
This is one of the strangest comments I have ever seen. I just do not grasp it. What was the purpose in writing it?
the purpose in writing it is to say that he (the poster I was responding to) has no idea what he's talking about in regards to his own religion. He doesn't understand its history, its doctrine, its tenants or its ideology in the least. I'm an atheist and I know more about it than he does.
I thought that was self-explanatory.
Sorry I missed that. It sounded just like a "I Know more than you", comment to your own self elevation. But now I get it. It was a nice way to say the poster is an idiot. Sometimes I need a little more subtle. But on the poster: I think you are wrong. I think he is quite educated, I just do not know in what.
That's the problem with theological people, they always know more than anybody else. I think its kind of embarassing actually. AT test time they have to answer all the questions correctly or they don't graduate. This is how christendom perpetuates its wrong doctrines.
I reread my post, its spot on - not that i had to reread it to know that.
there were only ten comandments. the only law that changed is there is no more sacrifice of animals, jesus shed His blood that we might be forgiven of our sins, and yes he gave a new comandment that we love one another as he has loved us.
Then it will be,
(1) Do not worship any god other than Yahweh.
(2) Do not make molten gods.
(3) Keep the feast of unleavened bread.
(4) The seventh day of each week is set aside to rest.
(5) Observe the feast of weeks.
(6) All male children must appear before God three times per year.
(7) The "first of the firstfruits" of the land are to be brought before God.
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