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   Jeramiposted 10 years ago

   What if everyone went to heaven after death no matter how badly they behaved.
   AND WE KNEW IT.     
   I wonder how differently we might behave.

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      Paragliderposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Mass suicide.

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         riddle666posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Nothing will change except that the religious who claim religion is the basis for morality will have to find some other reason.
         And the would be suicide bombers can relax.

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      aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I would guess that most folk would relax into whatever relationship with Christ they could get in their lives, and act better when they realised that they would have eternity to reflect on their actions during this soul school experience.
      
      The mass suicides may take place, but mainly amongst disappointed fundies.

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         Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I Really didn't have an answer to this.  Like the two answers so far.

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            aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            If you have children, just ask yourself if there is anything they could do that would make you disown them, and sentence them to eternal prison.
            
            If our children turn out bad, it is normally a reflection of our bad parenting.
            
            You as the father draw the line, where would that be, what would stop you loving a child of yours?

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               riddle666posted 10 years agoin reply to this

               When thinking about Adam I always knew god was a bad parent.

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                  aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  But the enemy was a better one?

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                     riddle666posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Which enemy, talking snake?
                     And you said something about non loving parents, there was no mention of an outsider.

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                        aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Where would you (the readers) draw the line as to when bad parenting is established?
                        
                        Rebellion is, after 'Adam', born into all of us, and I have never seen a child that needed to be taught rebellion.
                        
                        Turning bad is a whole different aspect.
                        
                        Would you disown your child for theft, murder, rape, lying.... where would your (the readers) line be?
                        
                        Adam and Eve made bad choices, we all do that, and like them we all get cut off from God, until we recognise our error and return.
                        
                        Does returning to God earlier than others mean a better place in eternity?
                        
                        I doubt it, rewards are given for what good we have done during our lives, not based upon seniority.
                        
                        I cannot believe our Father rejects us totally for any reason, laments, suffers as we sin unrepented, weeps as He sees our troubles caused by our own rebellion, but never rejects us as His children.
                        
                        Should we behave better if we all KNEW that for sure?
                        
                        No, I think not, we will behave wrongly for as long as we are in rebellion, and whether someone calls themselves a believer or not, if they hold rebellion in their heart, they will do wrong things.
                        
                        Getting in sync with God earlier only leaves more time to be a constructive force for good, and maybe a reward in eternity.
                        
                        Staying out of relationship with God only means we are bankrupt of spiritual life and understanding.
                        
                        It will be interesting to see what happens when we return home.

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                           riddle666posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           If you have no answer, make a harangue?
                           You said if the child goes wrong it is bad parenting.
                           So regarding Adam, wasn't it bad parenting?
                           You said one won't disown a child.
                           So what did god do? After all Adam didn't kill or rape or.... but just ate a fruit that which any kid do. God made them mortal and kicked them out to their home into the harsh world just for that, very bad parenting indeed.

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                              aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Then no doubt you will point it out and take it up with God when you meet Him.

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                                 riddle666posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 If he ever were a parent or a person as you say he is.
                                 And it was your opinion that its bad parenting,  not God's.

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               wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               You're trying to apply human feelings and morality to a (Christian) God.  Doesn't work - the God of the old testament is far removed from anything we would call moral today.

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         Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Not to sound snarky, John, but I think that if true fundies ever found out that everyone was going to Heaven, they'd try to live as long as possible to avoid sharing eternity with all those they'd treated poorly over time.  It's the exclusivity factor that I think they love the most, sadly.

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            aguasilverposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Afraid I agree with you....

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      PlanksandNailsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone has behaved badly at some point in their lives, some more badly than others, and we know it. That would mean we already do know.

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      Robertr04posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Dang, I could've...

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      C_MarieWeberposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That's a good one. Out of all the wars that have been waged over religion...all the hatred and slaughtering...it begs the question whether or not religion has done a good job of keeping social order. With the sickness that is in humanity, it is really hard to say if it would be good or bad.

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   Emile Rposted 10 years ago

   I think it would force the religious to rethink. But, many turn to religion because they cannot control urges that are anti social and self defeating. I don't know where they would turn at that point, if they didn't believe in cosmic ramifications. It would definitely cut a giant hole into the atheist argument, if all of the religious believed that everyone goes to heaven.

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   Jeramiposted 10 years ago

   Paragliderposted    ...   Mass suicide.  that would be true cause .. 
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   we would know that is where we came from and might decide to return home much sooner than we would have otherwise.
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   89aguasilver posted ....    I would guess that most folk would relax into whatever relationship with Christ they could get in their lives, and act better when they realised that they would have eternity to reflect on their actions during this soul school experience.
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   for many this would be true
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   @  PlanksandNails   ...   Yes I think that deep down we do know this.   But some of us have too much fun playing Judge.
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   @ Emile R   ....   You are right on the mark I think.
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   @ everyone ...  Concerning bad parenting??  It there were no eternal ramifications for a childs bad behaviour?  would that  behavior necessarily need as much correction?
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