Freewill Choice Preference

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   Johnny Dennisposted 15 years ago

   Freewill, Preference, or Choice had nothing to do with sex; but it was an obedience-disobedience thing.  The Bible is clear when it says that God created all things.  in the case of man God created him a male and then he created a female. 
   
   We know this because the Bible says that after God created Adam, the first man, the first created human being; he then through some mysterious surgical procedure created another creature from the man that he created, then he brought the created creature to the man to see what the man would name it.
   
   The man said, 'this is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called woman'.
   
   Lets removeany confusion from all this.  At Genesis 19:4 in fact, if y9ou read from Genesis 18:20-Genesis 19:13 you will see that this did not mean that the first man or any other humnan being is a homosexual by nature.  Now read Leviticuas 18:22.  here we see that homosexuality is an abomination to God; this is not what I say, this is what the Bible says; I am just writing what it says.  so based on this verse, God did not create a man to do what was an abomination to Him.  now read Romans 1:26, 27; now you see that everntually not only some men; but some women also practiced this; in fat, the Bible talks about those who worshipped the false god 'Ball of Peor'; which was idol worship, which the people of god were not to engage in. 
   
   so anybody that tells you that the Bible promotes or in any way tells a person that he or she should practice homosexuality is telling a bold-faced lie; that's a lie right out of the pit of hell; I don't care if the lie includes a talking donkey.
   
   So God created man; then he created woman.
   
   The freewill or choice was based on obedience to God or disobedience to god; it had nothing to do with sex; a lot of people teach the lie instead of the truth of what really happened.
   
   After God created the first man and then the first woman god put them both in the garden of eden which was the earth; they were already on the earth , but paradise conditions of the earth started out in a particular place on the earth and that's where the garden of God was
   
   The Bible says that God caused to grow every imaginable trree, even the tee of eternal life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.
   
   God told the man that he had access to every tree, but the tree that was in the middle of the garden God told him not to even touch it, nor eat from it, that in the day he did he would no longer have eternal life upon the earth, but he would die.
   
   Anyway, the Bible says that the woman said that the devil 'beguiled' her.  If you look up this word in the dictionary, the word has everything to do with what a magician or soccerer does; he can bewitch, beguile, fool, trick, deceive, create illusions, etc.   So this is the creature that the woman had met in the garden one day.  Well, this devil convinced her or somehow persuaded her to not only touch, but to also eat from this tree that her husband had told her not to; and the Bible says that she gave some also to her husband and he did eat.  I do not know what power of persuasion she had over her husband some people say that maybe it was sex, the Bible does not tell us all these things, it just said she gave some of the fruit from that tree to her husband and he did eat.
   
   That is the issue of freewill, choice, or preference.  It was a matter of obeying God or disobeying God the creator.  Some people would have you beleive that this had something to do with sex; but that's not what my Bible tells me; it tells me that it had something to do with obedience and disobedience.
   
   Adam had the gift of freewill to obey or disobey and he disobeyed putting all of his offspring after him in sin and death.  The rest is another story, but this is how it all began.

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   "Adam had the gift of freewill to obey or disobey and he disobeyed putting all of his offspring after him in sin and death."
   Just guessin' here but if I am cursed because of Adam, then I am cursed
   and not much free will. Or do I have one choice to accept God or Christ or somebody. One choice and this is free will?

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      aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, it's still free will. If you didn't have Christ as (one) choice, you would be stuck with the sin only(option). IE, no choice at all.
      So, now you can freely choose, to "not" choose!

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Like the poet Iqbal said one must merge his will with the cosmic will.That's your free will 

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   LondonGirlposted 15 years ago

   "that's a lie right out of the pit of hell"
   
   practise a little more Christian charity - think of it as a misguided, mis-interpretation.

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      aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Why is "christian charity" brought into it so often? It may be worded a "bit harshly", but where DO lies originate from? And, how is it "uncharitable", to speak "truth"?
      Eg. is it uncharitable to scream at your child "STOP", as they are about to step onto a busy road? Perhaps we should whisper, gently, hoping they will turn to us, listen and obey.
      

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         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Is it an invisible magic road with invisible magic cars that no one else can see?

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            aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            You lost me.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Rather surpised this needed explaining, but......
               
               When you scream "You are going to hell ! STOP ! DO AS I SAY. I CAN SAVE YOU !"
               
               And then claim that this is the same as "STOP!" you are going on to a busy road and will get hurt."
               
               And are surprised that people take offense at this, and wonder at the lack of "christian" charity in these BS claims.
               
               I just wondered if this busy road was an invisible road, the same as your invisible HELL! Run by a magic, invisible friend that only lets people in who do as you say and damns all others to eternal burning torment.?
               
               And this is not condescending or anything, merely speaking the invisible "truth," which is a completely different meaning of the word "truth."
               
               And you are doing us a favor by saying we are going to hell because we do not believe the same rubbish?
               
               Of course, some people think this is mis-guided, mis-interpreted rubbish. And invisible magic.
               
               Not really that difficult to understand dj.
               
               Invisible friend. Invisible road. Get it?

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            jgrimes331posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Like your positions or apologies?

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   Tiffany Snowposted 15 years ago

   hi guys, I don't know how to do a link to my hub, so I am just pasting it here, I wrote an article on free will, have been following this conversation. Sorry its a bit long, but hopefully you will find it a good read 
   
   FREE WILL - THE BUBBLE OF CREATION
   
   Imagine a child blowing a large soap bubble and as it leaves the wand it slowly hangs in the air, iridescent and beautiful. Now the child takes his wand and passes it through the bubble one more time, making smaller bubbles from the big one. He blows again, and a myriad of little bubbles stream forward, each iridescent and beautiful, each made from the same original material, yet each floating off into the air individually and separate from the large bubble they started from. You have just envisioned how God made free will and the universe’s first creations.
   
   In the beginning, all was of God; there was not a place that Divine Love was not. He was complete and whole within himself, lacking nothing. But similar to a loving couple who decides to have children to share their love, God chose to create. In order to do this he had to make a bubble separate from himself so the thoughts and actions would not be governed by him. God did not want clones, nor robots simply acting out a program, but individual opportunities for love to grow, to expand, to express itself and find and experience the best way to share more love, and to create more ways of expressing good and greater good. This bubble was free will.
   
   Angels were the first creations, and each has free will. All the Angels are a spark off God’s Flame. Each knew from the beginning the difference between kindness and wickedness, between light and dark, and between good and evil. The Angels participated with their Father in forming more creation in the universe, including the earth. “Then God said, let us make man in our image, in our likeness…” (Genesis 1:26) and mankind was created, also with free will, and in the image of God. “In the image of God” does not mean the same as God, but rather an image like a mirror reflection. In each of us our spirit has the ability to reflect kindness, forgiveness, generosity, sharing, etc., and this is the image of the Love of our Father. We are not God, just as the Angels are not God, but we were created by him and from him; similar to a person having been born because of the genes of their physical father and mother, yet they are a different same person than their dad or mom, and they have their own thoughts and preferences. Humans are also a spark off the Divine Flame, our spirit, like the Angels, were directly created by Divine will.
   
   Besides free will, there is the misuse of free will. Free will works like this: if a person desires ice cream they may drive to a parlor and choose between any number of flavors in any number of cones, with any kind of candies or toppings. The combination they want depends on who they are as individuals and their own taste, and they may try all kinds of blends before they find the one that delights and expresses them the best. The misuse of free will is a person driving to the parlor, taking out a gun and shooting the attendant. Just as there are laws in place in our towns and countries to us help us keep and enjoy our freedoms, there are also healthy perimeters on free will.
   
   Just as we know in our spirit it is not right for a person to kill another person, we were created to feel uneasiness and trouble within us when we are rubbing against the limits. And this is not because of cultural or religious training; knowing the basics of right and wrong is already created within. The Ten Commandments (the basic “law”) in the Old Testament were written down on stone tablets for Moses to remind the Israelite people of what is written in the hearts of every man, no matter who they are. “Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.” (Romans 12:14-16) And just as a criminal pays for their crimes for their poor choices, any choice for good or evil has a ripple effect of consequences back to us. Yet in the beginning when mankind was first made, it was much easier to see what the good and greater good choices of love were. At that time we had full clarity and connection with our Big Bubble, God. And in that same brightness and love, there was full and complete communication, acceptance and unity. But now, it is harder to discern what our best choices are. Why is this so?
   
   A misuse of free will is what happened with our original parents Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. And the misuse of free will is what occurred in the heavens when Holy Angels turned against the Love of God, and made themselves rebellers, or demons. Many have thought that the fallen Angel Satan offered Adam and Eve free will, but this was just tempting into misuse the free will they already had. “The serpent said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."” (Genesis 3) The demon lied. He said that God was keeping something from them that they should have, and to further expand their knowledge there should be no barriers on free will, which in this case was like going to the ice cream parlor then shooting themselves in the head. Choosing to cross the line put humanity in a place of becoming a dark bubble, a contaminated place of imperfection that we did not get from our Father. It is the reason why good choices are harder for us to perceive, our spiritual clarity is clouded, and even the physical body housing the spirit now dies instead of continuing to renew.
   
   The ripple effect of the choices of our original parents were passed onto us like a bad gene. It is as if the misuse of free will put them in prison, so we as their kids were born in the cell with them. It became a no-win situation for us, a generational bondage that no one in our family line could heal, because they were all inside the bars too. So one of those created outside of the human family had to come to our rescue, we needed a savior with a key. The life of the one we know as Jesus Christ came and unlocked the prison. Before him, no one could even go to the core essence of Father. That meant no matter how long we lived, nor how many times, the burden of darkness on our shoulders was too great. We kept trying to polish the basic facets of love over and over and still could not come before the Presence of Light and Love. Jesus became the karmic redemption for all of humanity (read more in the article Why Jesus’ Life is Important Beyond Religion).
   
   So how is our bubble now? It is an important question for each of us. We can still get holes in the bubble of free will. Sometimes the holes are punched thorough from the outside. This can occur by physical abuse, emotional abuse, or sexual abuse. Sometimes we punch holes in it ourselves from the inside out. This can occur in many ways such as; times of high emotion (anger, fear, or even grief), addictions, willful sin (doing things we know we shouldn’t do but doing them anyway), some medications, severe lack of self-confidence, unforgiveness towards others, self and even situations, and choosing fear over love. Holes open us up to manipulation from the unHoly Angels. They attack humans the same way they have for thousands of years - they focus on destroying physical health, relationships and finances. This not only hurts God, but can distract and confuse us from becoming the true potential that God created us to be, that bright shiny bubble learning more and more about Love.
   
   When free will is breached, it is like having a nagging voice constantly whispering in our ear destructive and negative things. For example: we will never have long-term loving relationships, never accomplish the dreams and goals in our heart, never have full physical health or abundance, that we will always have to watch for the next shoe to drop, etc. This creates a war in our hearts, because we know in our spirit that these things are not really how we want to feel or live our lives - we were created to have happy, healthy lives full of abundance in all good things. Keep in mind that this negative voice is not you; it is a trick, a lie. And you can shut it down, heal any injured or manipulated areas, and have peace and joy again by doing special Deliverance prayers; these help heal the holes and get off anything on you that is not of light and love. You can also recognize what has caused these holes and stop anything that opens you to more attack. Having the insight on how manipulation can happen also gives you the ability to be more forgiving to yourself and others when actions and words have not been kind.
   
   One more breach in the bubble that can occur is by ancestral curses or generational bondage being passed down through human family lines. These can be seen by repetitive physical, mental or emotional troubles recurring in our parents, grandparents or great grandparents. It might present itself as a physical disease (cancer, diabetes…) or an emotional one (depression, anger…) or a number of recurrent unhealthy things. Again, there is a special prayer that can be said to free us from this difficulty. It is important to remember that in each place where we might have a problem, we can use our gift of free will to call upon the One that created us and ask for help - and it will be there, every time. The assistance might come through another person, or through prayer and direct connection with God, or through information presented to you as an article or book, but it will come. Using your free will and holding whatever is placed before you up to God will let you discern where the information is coming from, if it is of love or not, and if it is right for you or not. For all things of Love will resonant deep inside you, anything promoting misuse of free will or of manipulation will not. And the brighter we are, the more we will feel the uneasiness and trouble within us when we are rubbing against the limits. For each of us is that little bubble of free will streaming forward, each an iridescent and beautiful child of God, journeying in our unique and individual way toward Love.

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   Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

   Hi Tiffany.  When you want to post a link here in the forums click BBCode while you have a message window opened.  That will open a new window with the BBCodes.  Choose the link code beside HubPages if you want your link to be a text link like this, Free Will - The Bubble of Creation.
   
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   Mike

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