Jesus in his whole career, working as a preacher, proudly announced to everyone that he will be handed to the authorities who will condemn him, that he will be crucified and that on the third day he will rise again in glory. Unfortunately, he didn't rise again in glory. If he ever rose from the dead, it was a secret. No one actually recognised his resurrection.
I think that if everyone had seen this event and accepted by everyone, the story would be over, and the sequal would not be playing out now..
There was nothing secret about it. He appeared to the apostles and several hundred others according to the gospel accounts.
he appeared to them after his resurrection. there was no account of him being gloriously resurrected as he preached
It happened very early in the morning; everyone else was in bed.
Surely, the noise made from moving the huge stone door would have woken up the neighborhood.
Nah, only if the door was scraping along the ground. But it rolled away, minimal noise.
A diesel locomotive moving slowly on its track at least a couple of miles away can shake my bed and wake me up. That, even though the wheels and the track are machined smooth producing as little friction as possible, and are mounted atop crushed rock and timbers.
A diesel locomotive has a huge throbbing engine pumping vibrations into the ground. I wasn't aware that the stone door was so powered.
Good point. It might be a worthwhile experiment to roll such a stone and see what happens. Can we assume the stone was not machined round and the ground it was rolled on was not smooth?
Yes I agree, the stone was probably roughly hewn and they wouldn't have laid the floor with concrete and a spirit level. I imagine the stone sitting on kind of sandy gravel, which to me would actually be very quiet when being rolled to one side. Not forgetting that the stone itself may have only been 2 feet across, just big enough for people to get in and out of the entrance.
Check it out...
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the rolling of the stone doesn't really matter, so long as he rises up from the dead with flashes of light and roaring applause etc...to prove his worth..
Did they have diesel in those days? More likely to have been a few slaves singing " heave-hoh; heave-hoh."
.......fortunately for the religiously inclined. I mean, you wouldn't want truth to ruin a good story, would you?
Define glory. It isn't about you or I glorifying anyone. If he rose from the dead, that is pretty glorious. Whether witnessed, or not. Wouldn't you agree?
but secret resurrection doesn't make sense
If Jesus secretly rose from the dead, how come everybody knows about it? Isn't a secret something that only one or two people know? Everybody knows, maybe what you are referring to is the fact that not everybody believes.
his actually resurrection was not witnessed by anyone, not even the guards guarding the tomb, and no account was given.
can you prove to us how it wasn't a secret?
Out of curiosity, is English your primary language? This whole idea for a thread is simply so bizarre. Your reasoning seems to be off balance. So, I'm left to assume you aren't accurately getting what is probably a very succinct point across adequately.
If the guy was definitely dead and then multiple witnesses saw him living...how do you propose it might have happened? How would you describe an event today? If someone had been executed by our criminal justice system, only to show up? Talking coherently, but with no heartbeat or blood coursing through their veins? Vampire, or zombie, they were still resurrected. Yes? Whether you saw the body resurrected at the first moment or not, they are still standing there.
Whether we believe the story or not, these questions are simply weird. Once someone tells what happened it is no longer a secret. You do understand the meaning of the word secret?
A secret ressurection is very difficult to conceal in the morning just as people are getting up.
I suppose, next we'll ask why he didn't make an appointment to perform a miracle in the Roman arena. He could have gotten ample applause, raising a gladiator from the dead after being gutted and beheaded by an opponent.
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