Who profits from endless punishment?

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   SwordofManticorEposted 11 years ago

   Punishment as I understand it is corrective, not vindictive, so who profits from endless punishment, the dammed or God?

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No one profits. Your God is nothing but vindictive and that's exactly what He teaches His followers, to be vindictive, as well.

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         Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Your viewpoint depends upon who you choose to believe ATM. You have chosen to believe mainstream evangelicals rather than oddballs like SOM, myself and others who believe the bible teaches ultimate reconciliation. Perhaps rather than being dismissive, you might want to think for your self.

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            A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            No, I have chosen my viewpoint on the observed actions of followers to religions. Your belief in the bible teaching reconciliation is recon-silly.
            
            
            
            

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               Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Are you a teenager ATM?

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            SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Oddball? I will take that as constructive criticism.

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               Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               'Oddball' as in unconventional.

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                  SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  lol

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      riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      God obviously.  Psychopaths and sadists enjoy others pain.

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      renegadetoryposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Nobody because endless punishment does not exist in scripture, here on earth, well... that might be a different story.

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         SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         agreed.

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   Can it be neither corrective nor vindictiveness, neither the damned nor God?
   
   Can it actually be fear of endless punishment and the one(s) benefiting are the priests and/or the upper echelon  of organized religion VIP's?

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It seems so. My Christian syblings also have difficulty getting past that thought.

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   janesixposted 11 years ago

   Perhaps this Earth IS hell. and we're stuck here till we get it right.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Good point.

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      riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You are stuck here even if you didn't get it right.

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   SpanStarposted 11 years ago

   It has been said that all humans have a sense of what is right and what is wrong. Experiments in the past have shown that if one puts a glass board down on the floor for if a baby can perceive depth most will stop before proceeding across to reach their parent.
   
   God's justice is not like man's justice, first of all mankind does not really understand the value of sin. But from the very beginning sin has required a great price. All of mankind was affected by Adam and Eve's sin.
   
   What punishment would be justified for the horror that people suffered in German prison camps, or the slaughter of innocent men women and children in some places in Africa? I have to be honest through the years the evil I have heard mankind having committed against one another I am at a loss to find an adequate punishment to fit the crime.

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      SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That is why God condemmed all men to die. Because of Adam,s disobedience, we are all condemned to die, but it was the obedience of Christ that has justified all to life. The wage of sin is death, not eternal torture.

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         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Then sin produces reward, not punishment, for there could be no greater torment than eternal life.

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         A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         That's why we reject your God, He condemns because of disobedience, which is the hallmark of all dictators and despots. Probably where they learned how to do it.

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         riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         This indeed is justice! Your great great grand father killed my countrymen and plundered us, so I am justified in killing and plundering you, correct?

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            SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You can try

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               riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               That's your gods justice, so he worse than a barbarian?
               Just like wilderness said earlier, your idea of god tell us who you are.

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                  SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  No! If you think you are justified to plunder and kill me, I said you can try. This has nothing to do with my God, it is between you and me.

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                     riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     According to you, your god punished Adam for a silly mistake (what any child would do), disproportionate to the crime. Not only that, he punished his sons, grand sons, grand grand. ..sons... and whole mankind for the act of one man and you are justifying that act. If such acts are justified, then I can take revenge on you for what your grand grand father did to my grand grand father. You justified that too, and only 'challenged me to try' and didn't challenge the rationale. . What I said is only barbarians (may not even barbarians) do and justify such acts and when you justify such acts it reveals a lot about you.

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                        SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I dont talk God with atheists, so go bark up another tree.

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                           riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Barking, that you do more than enough.

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                              SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Well at least I dont troll atheist forums like you troll Christian ones.

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                                 riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Just because you troll Christian forums doesn't mean others are doing that.

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                                    SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Youre the troll.

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                                       riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Are you looking in a mirror? It appears so.
                                       A typical Christian though, preach one thing and practice something else.

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                                    SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    listen to the hypocrite now.

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                                       riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       I'm listening, please speak.

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                              SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              I am referring to you as the hypocrite. You invade my forums with your hope to attack Christian beliefs yet hide behind a vail of (seeking open discussion). You are welcome to never post on any of my questions again.

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                                 riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Unless you are the owner of hubpages, this is not your forum and all you will be doing is what you first mentioned - barking.
                                 I asked you a question and you messed up and you were not able to explain the barbarism you justified, so you changed the subject, isn't so?
                                 I do not need your permission to reply to any post, I'll do as I please.  All you can do is not replying to my post again so as not to mess up again.

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                                 A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 YOUR forums? How delightfully selfish.

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         SpanStarposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Revelation 20
         
         The Defeat of Satan
         7And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heavenb and consumed them, 10
         and the devil who had deceived them was Thrown into the Lake of Fire and Sulfur Where the Beast and the False Prophet Were, and They Will Be Tormented Day and Night Forever and Ever.

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            SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            And?

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               riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               And then the prince and the princes lived happily ever after.

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                  SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  YawnZZZzzz....

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                     riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Interesting, 'the theist' always sounds the same irrespective of whether he is sleeping or talking.

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               SpanStarposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               And so peace and eternal rest WON"T be for all of us.

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                  Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  The death part comes to all. No one has yet to cheat death, the peace part is up to the individual and culture.

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                     SpanStarposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     God talks about peace after death I'm not sure with peace you're talking about pertaining being determined by individuals and cultures as it pertains to life after this one

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                        SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Peace will come to all in due time.(1Cor 5:23)

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                           Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Can't find 1cor5:23, What does it say?

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                              SwordofManticorEposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Sorry it is 1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

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                        Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Life after this one? That's just wishful thinking. But I'll listen to any evidence you have for a life after this one.

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                           SpanStarposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Wishful thinking-That gives the impression you know what happens after death?

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                              Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              I know exactly what happens after death. And I have plenty of evidence to back me up.

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                              riddle666posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              If you know what happens after death,  why can't he?

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                              A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes, we are dead. What else would like to know?

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                                 janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 What do you mean by that?

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                                    Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    He means upon death we are no long alive. The brain stops functioning and all thought and cognition is gone. We remember nothing of before we were born and it will be the same when we are gone.

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                                       janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       I hope that's true

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                                          Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It's called logic and reasoning coupled with our capacity for altruism and compassion.
      
      
      
      And, the point of that is what?
      
      
      
      Sin has no value, it is completely irrelevant in reality.
      
      
      
      Which of course, is an utterly ridiculous and childish fable.
      
      
      
      Considering how harsh your God is to people who merely disobey Him, I'm sure He could teach you how to b ultimately cruel and vindictive.

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      Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      This is why I find it difficult for some to understand that the holy books must have been written by people attempting to keep it's citizens in line. Only a person would make up such nonsense, condemn all for the fault of one added to eternal hellfire for not praising the absentee God is reason enough to look critically at any holy books. Did I forget to mention the human sacrifice that we are somehow supposed to believe saved us?

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         Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I find it difficult to believe that that everyone who chooses to believe the wrong preacher's message is going to suffer eternal consequences. After all, … Revelations says that God gave John the revelation that a false religion will rise to power (C. 13) and  that religion will lead most people astray because it will appear to be Holy when in fact it won't be.  We might say that God ordains or commands this religion to become what it becomes.  It doesn't make sense that those people that falls for the trick which God set in motion is going to be punished for eternity.                                                                         BUT in no way does this prove that such a deity does not exist.
         Maybe ?  this kind of concept is that portion of falseness (blasphemy) which God is speaking of in his prophesy?   
            Lets assume (I know what assume means) that God is real and a truthful description of him was given  at one time.
         We being as smart as we are, expand this concept in such a way that we benefit from it. How much expanding can be done until it becomes false?  Isn't blasphemy saying God said something that he did not say?   
           I guess what I'm trying to say is that if we tell enough lies about someone, will people eventually not believe these lies about the person,…   And Then also stop believing the person ever existed?

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