Bishop refuses to take back holocaust remarks

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   Make Moneyposted 16 years ago

   Thanks London Girl but you missed something in the first link that you posted, this one
   http://www.avert.org/abc-hiv.htm
   
   
   PEPFAR is not a Catholic source but it is very close to what the Catholic Bishops in Africa are saying.  PEPFAR is a US-funded initiative.
   
   Note how the A for Abstinence is stressed in this billboard.
   
   
   From the second link that you post LondonGirl it quotes this below.
   http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/5/gr060501.html
   
   
   I am awaiting your apology for your genocide remark London Girl.
   
   Mike

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   LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

   You are going to wait, sorry.
   
   "PEPFAR" is not what was done in Uganda. There has been a massive increase in use of Condoms in countries such as Uganda which have successfully reduced HIV infections.

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   Make Moneyposted 16 years ago

   But as to your genocide remark LondonGirl you are basically saying the same for US policy regarding the prevention of HIV and AIDS in Africa because they are basically the same as the Catholic Bishops in Africa.
   
   I wouldn't expect it from a lodge member anyways.

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      LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think it is the same. The Catholic Church is completely against condoms.
      
      Lodge member? What lodge?

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         Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry to interject--and not to be controversial, as my feeling about things here are at best 'mixed,' but as a point of fact--the Catholic Church did indeed endorse birth control a while back.  The theory of evolution as well.
         
         OK.  Continue!   Cannot believe this post is still going on....

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            Teresa McGurkposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            I found an article about evolution, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen … 05331.ece/ -- but so far haven't found anything on birth control -- do you recall where you read it?

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               Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               No!  I think it may have been Catholic Catechism class a long while back, though, lol!
               
               I'm not exactly 'practicing,' more like, , identify 'culturally.'  But pretty sure I'm correct on those points.
               
               And btw, this link did not work...

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                  Teresa McGurkposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  sorry about the link -- I can't post photos, either.  I have read the instructions many times.  I think it might be something to do with the fact that I'm Irish. 
                  
                  The story was from the Telegraph on Feb 11, 2009, stating that a Vatican spokesperson had unequivocally endorsed the theory of evolution.
                  
                  But regarding the birth control bit -- I do realize that many American Catholic clerics openly advocate ignoring the ban on birth control; but the Vatican's position?  I can't find any notice of it having changed.

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                     Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm pretty sure they did--I believe it may have been even close to a decade ago.  Growing up as I did, I guess I have been attuned in some odd way to news about the church. 
                     
                     What, Teresa, do you mean you are one of those Irish protestant types?    Oh, you know--THOSE..  Lol..

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                        Teresa McGurkposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                        Yep: Christened Presbyterian, attended the occasional Church of Ireland service, educated Methodist, studied existentialism, graduated Zen Episcopalian.

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               Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               No I don't think the Vatican has changed regarding birth control.  Not to my knowledge anyway.
               
               This link should work for the TimesOnline article.
               http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen … 705331.ece
               
               But you can't believe everything in the media.  The author of the article is wrong when he says "The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin was on the right track when he claimed that Man descended from apes."
               
               Here's what the Catholic encyclopedia says about Catholics and Evolution.  Here's the bottom line.
               
               
               It's funny how the media exaggerates things and people believe it.
               
               Here's another example of the media exaggerating things and people believing it.  A couple things actually.
               

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         Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         The Catholic Church doesn't force anything on anybody.  So the PEPFAR US policy and the Catholic Bishops of Africa policy are basically identical.

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   LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

   Argentina has kicked said Bishop out of the country:
   
   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7900591.stm
   
   I don't think the policy is at all the same. "Use condoms and go to hell" isn't the USA's line.

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      Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      That's a shame, all because of a handful of wining zionists.
      
      "Use condoms and go to hell" isn't the Catholic line either.  So like I said, the Catholic policy and the US policy are identical.

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   Leta Sposted 16 years ago

   You know, I may stand corrected--maybe it was the American Catholic Church in regards to birth control...  Anyway, I'm thinking I heard what I heard on NPR a few years ago....
   
   And Teresa!  I hope you know I'm kidding.  I'm not taking any of this very seriously...  I'm like, half Buddhist/part mystic/part Catholic/part-who-knows-what or something.  lol

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      Teresa McGurkposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Dang, girl: I jest thought y'all'd been smokin crack agin

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   Teresa McGurkposted 16 years ago

   Thanks for posting the link, MM.

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      Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Yaaay!  The real Teresa is back.  Sorry, but this avatar suits you best. 

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         Teresa McGurkposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         I was just uploading a photo of my cat (that's what started it all), and couldn't figure out how to post it into a forum comment, so I made it my profile pic for a while.  Then the whole thing got silly.  I blame Sufi, myself, as he mentioned the Mutant Teenage Ninja Turtles. . . . . . .

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   Make Moneyposted 16 years ago

   Your welcome Teresa.
   
   You just changed in front of my eyes.  I reloaded and your avatar was different.

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      Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Matrix reloaded

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         Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         It wasn't exactly like this Misha.
         
         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0On9Hf7Quc

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            Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            The Bishop in question just assaulted some one on the way to the airport on his way back home :
            
            http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u … 798286.ece
            
            Awesome ! Back in the UK.....

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            Teresa McGurkposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            yeah, I don't remember falling out the window. . .

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               Make Moneyposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               

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   Teresa McGurkposted 16 years ago

   Or the Ninja Mutant Teenage Turtles

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      Leta Sposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Oh!  I thought it might have been an identity crisis or something,   lol

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   LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

   Yeah, all Sufi's fault. Or something.

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      Sufidreamerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Guilty as charged - it is all my fault

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    LondonGirlposted 16 years ago

    Well, lucky old us to have the charmer back.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       How could you resist. A mean right hook and a baseball cap with "Sacred Heart of Jesus" emblazoned across it. Great

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          LondonGirlposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Is that "muscular Christianity"?

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             Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Well, I guess it is an improvement on the stake.

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    Junksterposted 16 years ago

    nyway, back to the original subject:
    
    A folow up:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … caust.html
    
    Now this guy is meant to be let back in to the Catholic faith? Reinstated? 
    
    I don't think so especially since he believes girls should not go to university and they do not have true ideas, he also thinks the U planned 9/11 which whether it happened or not shouldn't be said by someone of his "stature"
    
    It's comments like that that drag religions into the mud with all the other backward-thinking complete morons who should really just keep thier mouths shut for they only serve to make them look like idiots.
    
    Hence, religions are backward and stuck in the past

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       Ralph Deedsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Amen, er, very true!

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    Teresa McGurkposted 16 years ago

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world … p.html?hp/
    another follow up comment, for those of you keeping score at home: Bishop Williamson apologizes -- first and foremost to the Church, and then to the victims of the Holocaust.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       What a wanker. He basically said - "Sorry for the offense caused by saying what I think."
       
       Guess he can go back to being a bishop now huh?

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          BDazzlerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Wanker ... love that word ... I wonder if we can get Oprah or Obama to start using it so it will become popular in the states.

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             Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             'tis a good word.
             
             And perfectly appropriate in regard to a bishop. Or at least - unless he favors little boys that is......

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                Ralph Deedsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Williamson apologizes----
                
                http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/world … op.html?hp

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                Junksterposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Don't they just send them off to another city? I thought that's how they deal with problem people like him

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