Spiritualism and Christ

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Ericdierkerposted 10 years ago
Why do preacher folk preach that routes other than Christ that lead someone to God are bad? There are people that believe in God and then find Jesus. How could that be a bad thing at all?

We all have heard the scriptures regarding Jesus being the only way. Does that allow some people the right to say that Jesus can only work in other people's lives the way they want Him to?

Couldn't Jesus Himself bring someone to God through Buddha?

Or do some people just restrict Christ to act only the way they want him to act?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Christ Consciousness is indeed universal.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Kathryn it sure seems that way to me. If you are of Christ and I follow you, am I not following Christ?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You are following the Christ within us all... to find it within yourself.
  That sounds good.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I like that. Looking for the love and the good. Hmm, sure sounds like looking for Jesus. I think next time I see it bold I will shake a hand and say "hi Jesus"
  
  Didn't He say somewhere that for the least of these you do for me. That prisoner, that drug addict and that widow and orphan. He is there if we look?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You!
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Least of "these" seems specific to me. Jesus did not fellowship with him who did not trust him. Least of these, to me, is "least of these right here; my family"
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Mohammad consciousness is indeed universal.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Probably exactly on point here
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I am the way; the truth; and the life. No man (not even Mohamed) shall come UNTO THE FATHER but... by me.
  You think it right to harm people for doing stuff you don't like??? Christ says No... the path is narrow and only a FEW will find it...
  Seems to be saying the OPPOSITE of universal...
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Christ's message is only in the bible, that I know of... I have heard of no other source. The bible says that we must enter the kingdom of heaven through the door; for only a thief tries the windows and rooftop. The door is Jesus. Faith in him. Faith to follow.
  It is true that many take alternative routes, but the only route to God is Jesus. The alternative route is of self. Or Buddha and my bible (the message of Christ) states that... well you know... on those roads one may turn around to get on the path that Jesus laid. But hopefully before the trumpet.
  This a rigid rule. Jesus said from his mouth if you believe as I believe, "He who is not FOR me is against me."
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Is Jesus in a small child that needs your love; Or did you ban him from there?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmmm.... please elaborate.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  If we are to "follow" Jesus, and we take that literally, -- where is Jesus?
  Seems we are to follow where ever we see love and the need for love. That is where Jesus is and that is how we can follow Him.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I have checked that box here!
  "There is no God."...deserves some loving.
  It is "heard" everyday. Only God can "do IT" but my part is, tell it. Jesus gave the gift of love (the word of God) everyday. To all. Even those who would ridicule him and mock him and call him a liar then...
  The love of God is everywhere. Especially in the "valley." But,I fear no evil...
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I cannot say that a preacher man in a church is wasting his breath but I can question why he preaches to those already accepting. God is in my homeless peoples more than in a church. God is in an atheist needing love and attention more than in a blue haired church 2nd pew lady. God goes where He is needed so that is where we would find Him.
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, I get plenty of love and attention. And I give way more back.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Go get them Rad Man, I am sure you do.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I can agree with you on the "fishing in a fish bowl" thing. However, God is IN only those who accept him. He will not dwell in an unclean temple (heart). He offers himself to the lost. Some of the homeless have him already. Heck! I'm homeless, technically. Been living WITH people most of my life. Many reasons (myself included) responsible.
  God IS...where he is invited. We try to take him other places as well by saying what he said. Believers (homeless included) have jumped beneath his wing already.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  ...For those who have ears to hear and eyes to read: The universe is God. The way is narrow does not refer to Universal Consciousness or God Consciousness. Some people who are believers argue with others who are also believers. WHY? How does anyone know that "unclean temple" means heart? Interpreting Jesus' words is tricky and best left to each individual and / or their chosen church leaders…just in case one is wrong.
  TWISI
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Right, no sense trying to think for yourselves, leave that up to someone else. gotcha.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sometimes church leaders can actually help believers properly interpret things. These church leaders were chosen (by the person with the questions) for a reason. Surely you do not think we should not find help from others, (who we specifically choose and seek out.) In my experience, they help me come to my own conclusions.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
  
  It's in Galatians.
  Any more questions???
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, what does this mean to you? I ask because I am curious. And I have no idea.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Now this one seems pretty clear cut. I cannot really break it down. What about the statement did you not understand?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  All of it. And who were you addressing it to? Me? If so how does it apply, specifically.
  Just curious.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Do you have the spirit of God within you?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Questions:
  You quoted, "However, God is IN only those who accept him. He will not dwell in an unclean temple (heart)."
  1. How do you know temple should be interpreted as 'heart'? What is an UNCLEAN heart? Or what is a clean heart?
  A heart that accepts God? I wonder why the word clean is used as acceptance of God.
  
  What makes a person reject God… Is it uncleanliness? such as hatred, anger, rebelliousness, arrogance… I guess that would be right.
  Yes?
  You have to admit the bible is hard to interpret sometimes. So you think if one has the "Spirit of God," one should be able to understand the Bible?
  Yes?
  Thank you.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Uh, I honestly don't know how I know that temple means heart. I have understood it to be that for a long time. Sorry. Can anyone help? I am in the car. Not driving, but not at my bible.
  A clean heart is one who fully accepts. Faith in Jesus cleanses.
  Rejection of God is about deception. Of course there are varying circumstances, but, "Thou shall Love the Lord your God with all your heart, your mind, and your strength. If you reject. You have been deceived.
  "The fool has said in his heart, There is no God."
  Understanding scripture seems to me to be elementary after much time immersed. I can not remember the qualification, but all are admonished to study it with the spirit as guide. And when we acknowledge him, he leads. Too many people pick at scripture to find all the fuzzy parts using their own accumulation of knowledge as guide. No go... only spirit may try spirit.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No one rejects, They do not reject. They cannot find proof. You need to be more compassionate, in my opinion. It is ignorance to call someone a fool. This is also in the Bible.
  I have no idea what you mean when you say: "only spirit may try spirit." What does this mean to you? I am comfortably at home, while you are not. so I can wait 'til later! Have a good night!
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It is ignorance to call someone a fool. This is also in the Bible.
  Not ignorance. Direct biblical quote, no paraphrase.
  
  The bible says, "Try the spirit by the spirit to see if it be of God."
  That means that your mind cannot fathom spirit without the spirit of God as guide.
  I'm comfortable in the car.
  Wanna keep going?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.
  
  Does this translation help with your confusion?
  I was responding to your post concerning one translating scripture for another Christian. And how it should be left to the individual to interpret.
  Jesus was adamant about the word of God being understood and properly divided.
  When I err...I ask for the spiritual to restore.
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Jeramiposted 10 years ago
If I'm reading scripture correctly (?)
The God of Abraham made a deal with Abraham!
And stated that this is an everlasting deal with all of his dependents. No other nationality of people were included under this Deal. This deal was like a contractual agreement Between God and the Nation of Israel.
There are many stories about how these people broke this covenant.
Around 625 BC God assigns Jeremiah the task of telling his people to turn away from their sinful ways or he was going to give them into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. Jeremiah continues to do this for almost twenty years until 506 BC when Babylon did conquer Jerusalem.
In 538 BC through Daniel, God gave his chosen people a final ultimatum. They were given 70 weeks to turn away from their sins and anoint the Most Holy. This was an ultimatum;
In this before mentioned message, it states that after 62 weeks they are going to kill the messiah. But before they did; Jesus said that he has come to fulfill all of the prophesy ever given concerning him. He also states that; "I have come but for the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus also states that after he is rejected by his people, he will make a new deal with all of mankind.
He does not elaborate very much as to the conditions of this NEW DEAL.
The name Jesus is just a transformation of his true name. How often is it written in scripture that his name is "The Word of God" or "The Word"! So, would it not be a better translation from Hebrew and Greek, to say The only path which leads to God is through ..."The Word of God"
Just asking.
And should it matter which language "The Word of God" is spoken or followed.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Combine that with "God is Love" and we have a strong matter of faith that Christ is not a body of flesh or name but of The Word of Love and to that I say Amen to brothers and sisters everywhere from all walks. Clearly we are all the children.
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  Jeramiposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You are right. , all of the seven attributes given as having the holy spirit can be seen in this one. LOVE.
  As the Beatles once said; Love is all we need, Love, Love is all we need.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years ago
...And that is the concrete reality of Spirit.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Amen
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
Oh!!! The bible says, "...your body is the temple of the holy spirit." 1 Cor 6:19
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flpalermoposted 10 years ago
"The fool has said in his heart there is no God" (Psalms 14:1)
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent
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  EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That's a great way to personally insult people without taking any responsibility for it.
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  Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Pot kettle complaint, me thinks?
  
  Not to say it isn't insulting, but I've seen enough comments about 'the religious' which are insulting and when called out the speaker is like 'oh, it wasn't personal.'
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  EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but I have never called anyone a fool, so how is that a pot kettle complaint?
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  Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oh. Well, if you've never used the term fool then I'm sure you've never said anything which could remotely be considered insulting. What ever was I thinking?
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  EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You were thinking I was calling people fools, hence your pot kettle remark. Did you not know the meaning of that term?
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  Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  "That was one of the reasons why I asked the question of going to hell. I don't think that is something Jesus would support, yet it can be argued from reading the Bible and by teachings of the Church, He does support that. Personally, I see no wisdom or goodness in that, something Jesus should not be teaching, if in fact He does.
  
  That is why Jesus may not be enough for us, that there are indeed words from others who say we have the right as humans to freedom of religion, just as we have the right to freedom from religion. We have the right to freedom of speech, but not the right to abuse that freedom.
  
  If Jesus did in fact teach this, I would be very interested to see that.
  
  Always a pleasure. "
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2599863
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  And good comes from such simple polite yet searching questions posed. I think Jesus warned us of our own hell. Not of a universal type lake of hellfire. Clearly he told us of heavenly existence here on earth if we lived in the greatest commandments but I think he warned us of lack of love for each other and how that would lead to hell within our own existence here and hereafter.
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  Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Your spirituality is quite mature. Good to meet you.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you new friend, but it was your graciousness that precipitated that rarity in me.
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  Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You are welcome. I like pills, by the way.
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  Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  If you don't mind if I ask - what do you think happens to the human soul after death?
  
  And, in what form do you see God?
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  EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It vanishes along with the imagination from whence it came.
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  Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You can't answer any of the three questions.
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Cgenaeaposted 10 years ago
Did I just hear that Jesus did NOT warn of a lake of fire?
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  A universal lake of fire.
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  EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I thought the lake of fire was local considering there aren't humans anywhere else in the universe.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Now that is funny.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Funny...I don't really think so. But ok.
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LeslieAdrienneposted 10 years ago
If I tell my children that they must come into the house through the front door and they try to get in through a window or the side door, they have disobeyed. They know that I am home, they know that I want them to come in, but I can only acknowledge them in their full inheritance when they come through the front door.

God never said that you couldn't find Him without Jesus, but that there is salvation in no other than Jesus. He doesn't just want us to find Him, He wants us to have a relationship with Him.

You can't work it out, sing it out, talk it out or debase yourself to get in to the relationship that God desires that we have with Him without coming through the front door... Jesus is the front door.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. Jesus is the only door to salvation. But it does state that there is no other way unto the father. Not being argumentative; truth...
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is love.
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Truth. That wasn't so hard???
  But he will whip your back and knock over your tables when you jump off the path. Yes???
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Huh? who's got the whip, Him? where?
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  People forget that Jesus has a very stern side.
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  Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Fair enough
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oops
  You forgot to add:
  
  In My Honest Opinion.
  According To How I Interpret the Bible.
  According To My Research
  Etc.
  Thats okay we forgive you… But don't let it happen again! LOL Just kidding
  not really,
  Just Kidd…
  Not
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Did I miss the Presidential election? Sounds like someone is passing out rules that have not been established. Then forgiving "virtual" ordinance faux pas? Is that a lecture?
  I am baffled. I was sure we had another standard for when I speak.
  Is that kind? Do unto others, as you'd have them do unto you... have you ever heard that statement before?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Explanation for bad attempt at humor: It is not a matter of disobedience. This is her interpretation. ("If I tell my children that they must come into the house through the front door and they try to get in through a window or the side door, they have disobeyed.") If I follow Christ because I am merely being obedient, to me, it is like a compulsion.
  
  I do not do things as though I were a child out of blind obedience and a fear of being disobedient. It just doesn't work for my psyche. I work from love and WILLFUL obedience. This means desire and want. It means I look at the reality that Jesus is the way and the truth and the light and I am thrilled to follow. I will go in through the front door because I want to go home… for good. Now. Out of love and conscious wanting.
  TWISI
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  Cgenaeaposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Again, TWISI, following Jesus means doing as he; saying as he. Any deviation is not following but rather making another (new and improved) way. How do you see it?
  I'm really curious.
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