Intelligent Design

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   Rad Manposted 9 years ago

   I ran across this interesting interview with Ken Miller, a Christian scientist, and I'd like to here some thoughts on the interview.
   
   http://youtu.be/Et1oOo_rLpU

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      bBereanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

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         Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Mr. bBerean. I've updated my post. I guess thinking I pasted it in and pasting it in are two separate things. I would like your thoughts.

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            bBereanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks Rad.  It will be much later.  I was hoping for an article I could peruse as time allows.  33 min for a video will have to be sometime tonight.  I will chime in when I can though.

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               Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Here is where I found the link, it contains a brief description of the interview.
               
               http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com … evolution/

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                  bBereanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks Rad. That I can have open in one of many windows and incorporate it into my normal ADD rotation. 

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                     Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     We are obviously more alike than one would think.

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                        bBereanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Hey, I learned a long time ago not to fight it.  It can actually almost be a very productive advantage if managed properly. When I was a kid it was called wrestless, or fidgety.  Thank goodness for multiple large monitors and windows. 

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                           Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           All my report cards contained the phrase, "daydreams excessively". The problem was I had more interesting things going on in my head than what the teacher was saying.

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                              bBereanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Lol.  Sounds familiar.  I suspect we could go on about this for a long time.  Perhaps sometime we should.

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   aka-djposted 9 years ago

   Theistic Evolution flies in the face of both "theories".
   Nice waste of reading & video time.

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      Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Why?

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         Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         He obviously didn't bother even looking at them.

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            Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I wonder if he is a 6000 year old earth adherent.

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               Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               We know they are out there, but none seem to want to admit to it.

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                  Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  How many do you think? I do know one idiot who explained to me that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark; but he's in a very, very minor sect/cult. I don't know that many even within his congregation would agree with him.

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                     Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     http://creationmuseum.org

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                        Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Wow. Did you see they charge $30 admission? Butt holes.

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                     Disappearingheadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Ask a creationist where the dinosaurs are now if Noah had them on the Ark, it's most amusing. Ah they all died out shortly afterwards. What all of them?

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                        Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Actually, the guy I was talking about thinks they are still around. Deep in the woods, I guess

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                        Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Did they not have School House Rocks in the UK? Everybody knows they melted into the ground and now we siphon them out for oil.

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                           Disappearingheadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           So why did Noah waste his time with baby dinosaurs if they were all going to die out?
                           
                           No I've never heard of school house rock, had to Google it.

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                              Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              How do you know he took baby dinos on the ark? lol
                              Aw, baby dinos. So cute.
                              And if he did, maybe it was so that school house rock could have a cooler song.
                              
                              I don't know about you, but I have one car that still runs on gas. Thank you Noah.

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                                 Disappearingheadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 I never said that Noah took dinosaurs on the Ark, but lots of Christians do. Besides which what has Noah got to do with fossil fuels?

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                                    Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    I feel like you are creating this discussion out of thin air.
                                    You asked what happened to the dinos. I said, if you watched SHR, you would know they melted into the ground, we popped a straw in there and sucked them out.
                                    Now you are on about Noah and I am just trying to play along.
                                    I don't know if he brought dinos on the ark. I kind of think they were way before his time, but I usually ask my husband that kind of stuff 'cause he's the brainiac and I clean the bathrooms. It all evens out.

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                                       Disappearingheadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       My comment about dinosaurs on the Ark was in response to Emily's comment about the 'idiot' she once knew who said baby dinosaurs were on the Ark.

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                                          Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          Oh, I seldom read back far enough... sorry about that.
                                          Yeah, I would imagine there were no dinos on the ark.
                                          Although they sure have legitimate claims of modern day dinos.
                                          Im sure you knew that though.

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                           Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Pretty sure that Rock show was wrong. I could be wrong, but I thought we didn't think oil was from dinosaurs anymore.

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                              Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              How dare you! Next you'll be telling me we've changed how a bill becomes a law!

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                                 Emile Rposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 Nah. Corporations pay off congressman and voilà, we have law.

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                                    Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-eYBZFEzf8
                                    
                                    This song's as much a part of my psyche as God bless America. lol

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                                       bBereanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       I hope you have now added weird Al's "Word Crimes" to your mental library.  It is worthy.
                                       
                                       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

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                        Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, and they somehow created fossil fuel within a few thousand years.

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                           Paul Wingertposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           But anything is possible with God! Except he can't forgive the sin he placed on great grandma (to the 32rd power) Eve or show himself!

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                           aka-djposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           As opposed to what "scientists believe", took aeons.
                           First microscopic dead biological matter collecting on the bottom of a pool, that, when buried 2-3 miles under rock, it cooks into crude oil.
                           Yepp. That's the best explanation!
                           
                           Just in case you want to ridicule me for making it up, here's my source;
                           http://www.livescience.com/33087-how-oi … oleum.html

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                              Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              All of it? Are you saying there were enough animals alive on earth over the last few thousand years to make the amount of fuel we have pulled out and continue to pull out of the earth? Really?

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                              wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Personally, I would have to put a higher probability of forming chemical bonds on heat and pressure than on an invisible, undetectable, imaginary creature from another universe playing games to confuse us all.
                              
                              One we can verify by testing, the other...well...we just pretend we know it was responsible without ever seeing any evidence.

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                                 aka-djposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 You have such a way with words.
                                 
                                 sad your critical thinking ability is less astute. (Probably wilfully so).

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                                    wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Can you point to the error?  Or do you just wish to denigrate and insult anyone not agreeing with your fantasies?

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                                    Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Not cool man… not cool. Try to stick to picking apart a persons argument rather than the person.

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         aka-djposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         ID proposes God created everything as per Genesis, in which all was complete (and good). Nothing was left to "evolve".
         
         Evolution states that God is not necessary for the process to "create" what now is.
         
         The link proposes some strange synthesis of the two.

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            Disappearingheadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            And thus tigers, tyrannosaurus rex, and great white sharks were originally vegetarians.
            
            It's the fishy one that has always confused me. If light from the sun barely penetrates a few metres of the sea sufficient for seaweed to grow, how is it that creationists think all animals were vegetarian before the fall? What did deep sea fish eat if not other fish? Unless of course you don't classify fish as animals or carnivorous.

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      Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Here we have a theist trying to make your argument and you think that a waste of time?

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         aka-djposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Not my argument.
         I don't hold a "God-guided-evolution" model.
         Never have.

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   lone77starposted 9 years ago

   Rad, I listened to the first few minutes. Good stuff. That comes close to my own worldview on the topic.
   
   Evolution is part of God's intelligence imbedded in physical matter.
   
   California scientists several years ago found that smashing a few simple chemicals at meteoric velocities added complexity to the mix, bringing the chemicals closer to those of life. How cool is that.
   
   I find it funny that some scientists think they already know it all, but the restraint in skepticism was supposed to prevent that kind of "full cup" arrogance.
   
   There are many things we still don't know. I only recently discovered that the Bible was written in code by Kabbalists, and most Jews and Christians don't know the code. Atheists don't know squat about the Bible. There's more to learn.
   
   As a scientist, engineer, artist and spiritual searcher of Truth, I'm always learning new things. That takes a degree of humility. And that's not always easy.

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      Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Do you mind if I ask where you learned this?

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      Paul Wingertposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Actually atheists know more about the Bible an any religious group combined. That's how most became atheists!

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      Paul Wingertposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      "Evolution is part of God's intelligence imbedded in physical matter." LMAO! God would have to have a higher level of intelligence that what he was creating! So far I'm not impressed. Let's hear the lame excuses for our imaginary sky daddy.

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