What is Belief ? Can we replace them & Create a New One?

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  1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
    SharmaRoshanposted 9 years ago

    Belief is to believe in something. It can be true or false. But we believe, out of trust, faith and sometimes because the world believes in it.

    Beliefs are the old thoughts, that sometimes you hang on in your life for generations. You have the power to make your own beliefs.

    There are two types of beliefs. The first one is out of your personal experience, and the second is the borrowed one from the parents, ancestors,culture, religion, society, friends and sometimes from the environment.


    1. manatita44 profile image71
      manatita44posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Everything changes with Consciousness. Sure enough tradition, culture, ethnicity ... all  play a part.

      The Yogi sees all things from the standpoint of Consciousness. I grew up in Christianity. One day in September, 1982, I read a book and was totally transformed. It is not that my belief changed. Transformation is a process of moving from the old into the new. Like a baby, the old serves its purpose, and now, as a man, the role simply alters only in the sense of progress, of moving forward, deeper, higher.

      The whole of life is a journey, and people are where they are at any given moment. It is a precise plan and not haphazard, and yet, ever-transcending at the same time. New beliefs are not created, one simply moves further along in the journey of life, as dictated from within. Om Shanti!

      1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
        SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Om Shanti

    2. cjhunsinger profile image59
      cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      A difficult question, but one worth the attempt.
      Is it that we believe in something in order to give purpose to our lives, as the history of that belief has allegedly done? Is this the truth in deity beliefs, as the claims here speak to peace, contentment and all those positive attributes of living. Too, if they do not work while one is alive, then, most assuredly, they will work after one dies. That is the unsupported claim.
      Should we be content with beliefs,  as opposed to a knowledge of something. We believed that the earth was the  center of the universe. We now know that it is not. We believed that a god created the universe on October 23. 4004 BCE. Now we know that to be false. It is true that even science  is wrong, but is it not more reasonable to begin with objectivity, as  opposed to a subjective and emotional  want of purpose that is founded on a fear of what we do not know and a guilt for being alive?.
      Is it reasonable to believe in that, which cannot  be  objectively analyzed, utilizing that, our mind, which is possessed by no other animal? Belief without a reasoned foundation, is no less, the  lemming and  the cliff.
      At what point because we are  reasoning beings, do we begin to reason that, which is and that which awaits  to be found. Do we continue to accept beliefs based on the emotions of fear and an unwarranted sense of  promoted and  exploited guilt?
      One  may believe in a  spouse,  but then, this is based on a  real history of experience with that person and is not  'belief'. Certainly we can point to others such beliefs, as  I believe the sun will rise in the morning, but we  know that the sun  does not rise, the  earth turns. Also such is based upon experience not a faith/trust in an unknown.
      The German people believed in Hitler, Marxists in Marx, the Inquisitors in Christ, Islamists in Islam, all beliefs and all predicated on emotion.
      That I believe that light travels at 186,000 miles per second is not a belief based  on emotion,  but rather an examination of what is 'known' to be true. Such a belief  does not demand that I condemn others, but rather an  invitation  to others to correct  me  through the process of human reason. This is what the human is and should be.

      1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
        SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        You have beautifully raised some beautiful points about beliefs, i.e. opposed to knowledge.

        Beliefs are not only based on emotions, but sometimes trust and sometimes out of fear, we believe them.

        As a thinking human, we believe something i.e. objective, but at the same time, we are the humans who feels, and live life out of intuition.

        It may be wrong, to believe someone out of fear, but at the same time, we believe our loved one's or stranger, because we feel good about them.

        The point is not to create a belief out of mere knowledge, or what we see from the eyes. But to go deep down within, to know the mind and emotions, to know the difference between what is Real and what is Fake.

        Belief is developed out of trust. Once the trust goes stronger, experience on the path gets stronger, and the belief gets deeply rooted.

        The belief about the object demands reasoning and can be proven by science.

        But when the person evolves on an individual level, say for e.g. Jesus Christ, shares his belief with others about God. Its not possible to examine such beliefs, out of reasoning, but the person has to go for his personal experience, to know the truth for himself.

        1. cjhunsinger profile image59
          cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you for the compliments, but I do think we have a difference of thought here.
          You seem to portray Jesus Christ as a measurement of truth, along with the very subjective analysis of personal feelings. Are you equating such with that, which comes by virtue of a reasoned process? If so, truth then is simply a matter of what my feelings tell me it is. In  that case there are 8 billion definitions of truth on the planet and no common denominator. With that there is simply no hope that man will ever achieve a peaceful co-existence, as  my truth will always be greater than yours.

          1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
            SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Thank-you so much for your comments.

            We can see this things this way.

            I have a feeling, and you have a feeling too. You follow yours and I follow mine.

            Buddha followed his path, Christ followed his one, and Muhammad stick to his own.

            Three paths and three different truths to reach to the ultimate. All the three are perfect in their own sense.

            We all are unique, and an individual being, to attain our higher self, by making a choice of our own path.

            Sometimes, it may be possible, that I Meditate like Buddha, because my heart tells me to do that, and some other day, I pray five times Namaz, the way Muhammad had preached.

            The point is to reach to the ultimate.

            Till I dont understand the entire concept of truth, I should trust something, and whats the best way to trust my inner feelings rather than anything else.

            When I understand the truth by myself, who bothers, which way I reached at the top. I have come home, thats all matters.

            People are lost in the path, and forget the destination. The destination is the goal, and path can be chosen, that compels our heart.

            We should feel good about the path.

            Its like climbing a ladder, to reach to the top, and then drop the ladder altogether. The path of life is a ladder, that needs to be drop.


    3. tsmog profile image85
      tsmogposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      From the understanding I have learned a belief is formed firstly with acceptance. That must occur. Next, is trust followed by faith. One may accept, yet not have trust and faith. When that occurs it is simply acknowledgement. When there is acknowledgement there is lack of belief or no belief. There is acceptance, however trust and faith are of consequence. If there is not acceptance then both acknowledgment and belief cannot occur. It simply is 'not so'. It is then the argument of trust and faith becomes moot. Therefore, both belief or acknowledgment cannot occur.     

      That is difficult enough with the material universe. For instance many believe their brakes will stop the car and timely . . . in time. They accept with good faith the brakes work and trust them to stop the car. Why else do people ride your tail on the freeway. Today, most believe the anti-lock brakes means the car will stop every time and in time because the car will not skid. They trust that and have faith in/of that. They believe so to the extent of risking. After all they have stopped every time or slowed enough every time. So, the belief is reinforced. There is acceptance, trust, and faith, therefore a belief is formed.

      The person who says they accept their brakes work, but do not place trust they are perfect has a lack of belief. Or, the person who accepts their brakes work, but does not place all their faith they will work every time or always has a lack of belief. A belief is not formed, yet there is acknowledgment.

      When the immaterial universe is considered it gets really complicated regarding belief. Again, firstly there must be acceptance that there is an immaterial universe. Else, both belief and acknowledgement is again simply moot.

      1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
        SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Hii, thank-you so much for your response.

    4. Slarty O'Brian profile image81
      Slarty O'Brianposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Or you can just forget about belief. You don't need it. You can form educated opinions without demanding through faith that they be true.

      Belief is useless and dangerous. You act on your beliefs. But there is only fact and speculation. Do you need to believe or have faith in facts? No. They are facts with or without your belief.

      Should you give your faith to speculative ideas? why would you? Belief makes you think something is true even though it may not be. What good is that?

      So forget belief and faith. They are at best useless and at worst dangerous. Accept facts, and again, form educated opinions. Be willing to drop that opinion anytime it proves to be wrong. It's hard to do if you invest yourself in what the truth should be, not in finding it,no matter what it turns out to be.

      Don't believe anything.

  2. ChristinS profile image41
    ChristinSposted 9 years ago

    Absolutely, beliefs change all the time as we are constantly learning and growing.  Some are more ingrained than others, but routinely we do change our beliefs.

    For example, I took a public speaking course that was required. I believed I would be miserable in that course and that I would fail and people would laugh at me.  Imagine my shock when I actually did well wink.  That changed a deeply held belief I had about myself.

    Beliefs grow and change as we grow and change.  A child believes in Santa Clause for example, but as they grow they begin to suspect that belief is false, and eventually come to find out the truth.

    1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
      SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      True. Christin. Right Example Quoted.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Maybe a belief is an untested idea, when proven, it turns into a knowing, until the the knowing is proven wrong. In most of my cases, rarely.

        1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
          SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Thanku for your comments. Brother.

          Belief is both untested idea, & even the tested ideas, add onto our belief system.

          1. cjhunsinger profile image59
            cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this


            Is there are difference in beliefs or is one equal to the other. For example, I believe that the sun will shine tomorrow. This is a belief based on experience of many years and a knowledge of the workings of hydrogen atoms at the core of the sun and the rotation of the earth. That I believe in ghosts because I once saw something that looked like a ghost; is there no difference in these two beliefs? One is based on knowledge and the other on something other than knowledge. Do both carry the same degree of truth or should one be elevated to, factual and the other to something else?

            1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
              SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              Thank-you for your comment.

              In both the cases, our attention is outside. The sun and the ghost is outside, and we try to figure out the truth, with the mind.

              Say an e.g. quoted on the sun, is a general belief, based on years experience. Here we don't have to go deep, to figure out the truth. As truth has no implications on our life. Its the same thing like, after day comes night. Either we believe it or not, it remains the same, but theres no point to discuss on this belief, because it doesnt make our individual or collective human life, better or worse.

              For e.g. Ghost, its an individual belief, and can only be replaced by elevated understanding, or by having more knowledge about that particular subject.

              My discussion is more pertaining to the beliefs, that comes out of deeper individual experience, that becomes a part of our belief system. But when it comes to truth, the other person can have the same spiritual experience, in higher or lower degree, and it becomes the collective truth or collective belief.

              We all have "I". "I" is an Imaginative identity created by the mind, to identify with the subtle region, i.e. thoughts and emotions of the body.This is my truth, out of personal experience, and it got registered in my belief system. For this i dont need to have approval from the second person. Yes If you have the same experience, you may confirm it too.

              When we go deeper, we replace many beliefs, that we consider truth, even with the logical mind.

              1. cjhunsinger profile image59
                cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                So what you are saying is that if two out of three people believe that a goat is a cow, it is now a cow? Or is it only a cow to two people and the third person is left with a goat. What if the two people decide to use the democratic process and mandate that a goat is a cow?

                1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
                  SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Goat and Cow are again a general thing. The belief of such things have no impact in the process of humans life.

                  Here you choose to go by any method, the truth is the truth. Sometimes, it takes time, for the human to figure out this truth.

                  Humans believed that the earth was flat. Later when an individual evolved to an extent to figure out the truth, it was revealed by him that the earth is round. We all agreed to it.

                  I am talking about the belief, that comes out of your personal experience, not what you see or observe outside.

                  1. cjhunsinger profile image59
                    cjhunsingerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    If you are happy in that,  am  happy for you.

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image75
                    Castlepalomaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Have you experience being in the spirit world and have you come back to tell us about it?

                  3. Jomine Jose profile image70
                    Jomine Joseposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Illusion,  hallucination and delusion are also experience and people form belief from such experience.

                2. Jomine Jose profile image70
                  Jomine Joseposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Then from that day the goat will be caled a cow. It was by mandate we decide to call each by a particular name. It was Bombay now it's Mumbai.

                  1. SharmaRoshan profile image60
                    SharmaRoshanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    Out of body experience is just an illusion created by the brain. Emotions, chemicals,  special situations and a lot many things can cause it.

                    Very Gud eve. Brother. You didn't mention the experiences about subtle or astral body ( Derived from plato).

                    What about the experience of the soul? Do we have a Soul, or its again a hallucination of mind.

                    Jose, please think, before you answer, I already have a list of query, piling up.


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