Because they want to conquor the world for self glory. They simply want to
enjoy earthly, mortal, unhuman treasures for the sake of society. They do not
bother for poor, sick, helpless, downtrodens, society's image etc. They are like
disobedient child falling down and down and does not bother of their
fall. When they fail they curse God not himself. What a pity, they dont
even know their own heavenly father who so nearer to them who put
words into his mouth before he speaks. God himself chose to die on
Cross for sin of those non-believers who sin secreterly but when
caught, they sin openely, shamelessly and become danger for society. They
puts evangelist into danger by not accepting the Gods words. I call all
christians brothers and sisters to pray for those unbelievers and
beware of all idol worshipers now spreading all over the world.
Evangelists in danger? If they preach as you are preaching, some people are bound to be rubbed the wrong way. No one worships an "idol" of stone, they worship something else. But perhaps that is too much for you too understand.
I was an atheist and there is nothing wrong with one.I gained enlightenment without believing in any of the prophets.
I call all
christians brothers and sisters to pray for those unbelievers and
beware of all idol worshipers now spreading all over the world.So only Christians are correct in their paths-what ego.
Please remove all your statues of Jesus in your churches and homes before before you make this statement- I call all
christians brothers and sisters to pray for those unbelievers and
beware of all idol worshipers now spreading all over the world.
I believe based on the bible that we should not worship any idol or carved images ...it plainly states in the bible's 10 commandments... I think its great you are trying to help others but HUBPAGES isn't where its at...
The same way Christians worship Jesus's idol other religions worship their prophets idol.
The reason why masters are against idol worship like I have mentioned earlier -the messenger and his message.The message is more important.
Like Paramhansa Yoganadas master refused to be photographed saying-"man is a foolish animal he will worship me rather than the spirit in me which is also in him ".
Even the Muslims and Sikhs are against idol worship and not only Christians.But don't Christians worship the idol of Jesus or Mother Mary? If its fine with Christians why is it wrong with other religions?
Mahavira- "live and let live". :")
and your point is?......................................go door to door with that...you will meet more people that way
my point -live and let live.
Stop trying to put other religions down when you are doing the same thing.
we christians do not worship the statue of Jesus or the cross, , , we worship his name and the Father in heaven, and the bible is the only book that recorded actual history that happened. unlike those unreal fake and impossible stories some extreme religions have. some religions worshiped a man like Budha like a god. worshiping a human will not get them anywhere. . . . that is just common sense!!
statue is a object for concentration, do you know that, the knowledgeable never worship objects they use it for concentrations, but now everything has been misinterpreted
Whats the difference between Buddha and Jesus? Like Christians pay respect to Jesus by having his idol Hindus pay respect to the masters the are familiar with.
"Do unto other as you would have others do unto you" Jesus
How can Christians have Jesus statues and talk badly about some religions which has statues of their master?
some religions worshiped a man like Budha like a god. worshiping a human will not get them anywhere. . . . that is just common sense!!
Why worship Jesus??
its not bad if you make statues of humans and adore it. the bad thing is when you make a statue of a god and worship it. i saw some hindu pray to buddha, but what does praying to a dead man will do. he's just a man and is dead, unlike Jesus who is a living god
Idols in the church depend on the church. Catholics have statues of Jesus and Mary. Some church have no statues with faces but they have crosses. As baptists we have an empty cross in the front of the church but off to one side. We don't worship it or pray in front of it. The empty cross serves as a reminder that we believe Christ died on that cross and rose again to sit at the right hand of the father. As for this topic not going away there are other hubs to check out. But this one is too much fun, the atheists are a riot.
Seriously, I find your explanation to be very easy to understand. Thank you.
I've always researched and looked into many religions myself, I did give my soul to Christ when I was about 15, but I feel I have significantly diverged away from Christianity over time. Its not that I have anything against it, I'm still searching for my own spin...something that feels comfortable for me.
But I believe in life after death, in higher powers, and that I should cherish my life and the lives of others every day. I wake up trying to make myself a more diligent person and make people smile as often as I can. In some respects, I guess I can convey a "Christian" demeanour, but I'm not trying to put myself on any soap box. I believe in myself and humanity, and I want to share my love for the world with everyone.
Alright, sorry for getting so sappy.
We haven't chose not to believe in God, there is simply no God to believe in! We live our lives the best way we can, and don't need a fictitious (is that spelt right?!) character to give us some meaning. Religion = Bloodshed & Violence!
Paraglider to Skydiver - even where religion doesn't equate to bloodshed and violence, it should still remain a personal pursuit, like hill-walking or dancing. Ethics can be independent of religion, but lots of people just can't see it. Even Obama lost an opportunity to see it, only yesterday. Over
If they believed in God you would never get the opportunity to call them atheist.
understand yourself first before blaming others, you feel so good right when you came out with your comments, feels that you are good people and they are bad
You are the GREATEST FOOL on Earth I have every come across.
Let me start off as a proud Atheist
I see SO MANY FLAWS in your argument here
1. "God" did not die on a cross his son of a virgin did.
2. When we fail we don't curse something we don't believe in.
3. A sin is man made humans are animals and animals don't have rules. Kill or be killed they are not worried about heaven or hell.
Drop a thin piece of chalk ask god to protect it record it not breaking and all Atheists will convert. Til then take your crappy propaganda off the internet.
I beg your pardon, sir.
Some atheists are better than others, and I know many who will take off the shirt on his back to give it to a poor Christian, and vice versa.
And Christ did not die for a general, faceless, God-rejecting mankind. He died for His own, those whom He has called His sheep even from eternity past.
His blood was shed for them, and for them only.
He knows who they are, individually, the circumstances of their birth, life, and death, and He didn't redeem them because of their theology, or lack of it, or because of their creed, or lack of it, or because of their wisdom, or lack of it.
He redeemed them because that was what His Father wanted Him to do.
Please do not give occassion to those who do not believe, in this forum, to insult the faith once delivered to the saints, by your pointing fingers at others (forgetting that four are pointing right back to you).
"Christians" do not have a monopoly on compassion.
Everyone has them, because all men were created in the image of God, and compassion is one of those images, albeit tainted with ........SIN (woooohhhhhoooohooo !!! there, there, I said it again, the politically incorrect infuriating word !! take it or leave it !).
Its the way god made this world.I was an atheist before I came across god and I was not some evil person because I didnt believe in god.
Do remove all your crosses and idols of Jesus before you make such a stupid comment on idol worshipers.You can have a statue of you prophet but some other religion cannot is not what Jesus taught."Do unto other as you would have other do unto you" is what he taught.
Pray for yourself first.
I don't want to conquer anything and I am an atheist.
I want to enjoy earthy life because I live on earth and have an earthly life, I am mortal and would like to live as long as a mortal can live. Sorry, I don't follow the unhuman treasure thing. I think that belongs in the supernatural god category.
I give money from my own pocket to help the poor, sick, helpless, downtrodden that society has created.
Society labeled them outcast, I do talk to them as humans, equal and just as needy as myself.
I give them money out of my own pocket. My friends and family tell me that they don't understand why I continue to give when I don't have much to begin with and all I can say is, "because" because what if that was me? And I am an atheist.
Yeah, sometimes I fall and scape my knees but I brush it off and move on.
who could curse god who doesn't know god? Nor can a person who thinks they know their heavenly father curse god... but don't beat yourself up about it.
yeah, my problem with that is according to this analogy, god never did die so he never did die for anyone's sins or their never was any sin. A danger to society is teaching fiction as the truth and truth as fiction.
evangelist put themselves in danger. Choices remember?
Jesus is an idol
I was evil too before finding God. All of that has changed. The supreme being has done so much in my life to make me a better person and all the glory belongs to Him.
I have to get off of this subject because it hurts my heart to hear so many do not believe in God. Its their choice, but, I take it to heart for them.
Its just that I love humankind so much that it pains me, as all the love God has given me, I have that same love to give. I don't want to upset the atheists, so I have to bow out of this conversation because their views will be respected, also.
I don't want to upset the atheists, so I have to bow out of this conversation because their views will be respected, also.
Exactly what I am saying god made everything this way , some believe and some do not.At the same time I believe I have changed drastically after god came into my life and am now careful about many things I wasn't before.
I am amazed.... 4 months in HP & you haven't even published a hub? If I personally do not believe in something... It would have to be: People who use our forums to Soapbox their points of view & in no other way act as productive human beings!
According to http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html, topic creator is a failed troll. I glance at 11 pages of posts.
As an Athiest, you have just labelled me as a hell of a lot of very unpleasant things. In return I will label you with just one tag..... 'Tosser'.
Go to bed now ,straight to bed , no more late nights for you boys until you learn to play nicely !!
A believer can say what ever they like - because they are speaking for god.
Don't you go responding, because that is "disrespectful."
Now, play nice and ignore the insults from the believers, 'cause they are right.........
Ok Ryan, whats a 'Tosser'? You haven't been picking those mushrooms again have you? You aren't unpleasant(you do bath regularly don't you) you're just dazed and confused. But I'm sure all the Chistians here love you and some of the gender challenged may also. How do you look in a bikini?
This must be another one of those "new Christian members" that "start threads just to be attacked by godless morons and vile new age jerks" that Mike was bitching about.
There are none so blind as those that refuse to see........
do you know sometimes i can be really seriously stupid i am not, really sorry for being rude
My friend said: do not go to forums, those are all nuts. Hm. I could not resist and I went. What should I say? Most people are angry on something or somebody. One call others moron or another names. Should I ask what culture is it?
One lady is demanding from Christian to love unconditionally. I just wonder why she don't start to love by herself. There are people who are always givers and another demanders. I am really sad. Perhaps I am moron too, am I?.
Show me one person who does not help others for the sake of just helping them.
BTW thanks for bringing this up becaues if you look at just the outside of Christians you will begin to notice that they only reason they help others is to get kudos to get into heaven--now isn't that bribing the lord? Would that be a sin? Buying the lord---jeesh come down off of your pedestal before you hurt somebody. Oh say it isn't so!! LOL
That's a valid point Lady Guinevere but going by that aren't all people who believe in God or a supreme being doing that also by "hedging their bet's"? After all I myself if anyone's reading any statement's I've made have asked all of those that believe to tell me why they do and as of yet all I hear is basically because I do. They simply can't tell me why it's a simple question right so why is so difficult to answer? As I said I can tell you by using the Bible as reference why he doesn't exsist or at least put dought on his existence but NO-ONE can do the same to explain otherwise. I hear no answer is going to please me and that's incorrect, the answer should be simple if you trully beleive. I never think about where we came from or how everything was made as there isn't anyone on earth can answer that question. What all of you should be concerned with is the here and now I mean suppose it was proven that aliens made everything including us what then? Do you then start doing things you otherwise wouldn't do because you don't have fear of going to hell? Do you change who you are ? I believe all believe in one religion or another because it gives them an excuse to live the way they live good or bad. And also what would the world use for an excuse for wars and hurting each other? As for preachers on tv and radio, all and I mean all of them aren't in it to save anyone's souls, their in it for the money and that's the bottom line. I researched every evangalist I could find and there are quite a few of them and I found out all are wealthy to some degree some extremely and living in luxury that most of us can only dream about. They are all doomsday preachers 'give me your money and I'll tell you why were all doomed let me save your souls" you all can't be that nieve? You are all looking for something to beleive in that's the essance of all this debating. You know I've been reading a lot of the statments made on here and I'm surprised at the fact that most seem to be quite inteliigent people and yet they will come on time after time and argue or debate the exsistance of something no-one in history can prove exsisted. As I said I come here not to debate it but to ask a simple question why? If there is the slightest dought in anyone's mind that God exsists than you can't possibly have faith or believe in him right? So in the end religion of any kind is basically a myth made to scare people and get them to do things they otherwise wouldn't do. People are desperately looking for something to believe in thats why there are the David Kureshes and Jim Jones of the world. I will keep comming back if for no other reason than curiosity and the hope that someone can tell me why. I will never try to persuade anyone to change their beliefs because I could be wrong doughtful but possible. Maybe I am a doughting thomas you know the weird part is that since I starting disbeleiving so to speak, things seem to be a for the lack of a better word a "relief". I figure since I consider myself to be a very good person and do no harm and am good to others, I stand as good a chance as any of getting into "heaven" and don't have to worry anymore about God's punishment for not following HIS laws. If he exsists he knows I have a good heart. Some of you might get insulted by what I say and again my deepest apologies if that is so as I mean no disrespect to any of your beliefs. Has it occurred to any of you that that is what God wants from all of us just to be the best person we can and live our lives by that?
I hope you didn't sprain something when you exercised your right to Blabber. Who cares about what motivates people to do good its better than the alternative.
I don't get how some people don't believe in God. How do yall believe everything was created?
And I don't get how some people don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
At least the FSM has been captured on video during a visit to Earth - I haven't seen any other deity showing their face where they can be filmed.
But hey, to each his own, right?
I believe in God, the flying spaghetti monster, angels, demons, little green men, the whole works!
I think the fact that you compare the Flying Spaghetti Monster to God is ludicrous. For in my church, “Church of the Fonz,” we know there is only one truth. And HE has been filmed. Heed the words of Potsie, “Here comes the Fonze”. And when the Fonz snaps his fingers, you shall come hither! Whatever that means.
I'm buggered then. I too have seen the fonz and the FSM and now I don't know who to follow!
Its always nice when the home lets the residents play with the computer, They just say darndest things! Don't worry Jenny eventually your applesauce will stop talking to you.
BAM! Its done.
Just joking. Some of use don't worry about how things were created. We focus on the here and now. We worry about whats happen now to our world and save the creation stuff for bedtime stories.
So you don't care to know how you were created?
Yes, sure. Have you found out how it happened?
Its with your thoughts Paraglider.The moment you think- you are.Thoughts create.
can't we stop already with the endless babble of GOD vs SCIENCE....
We are all here on earth...with brains and obviously fingers too or else I couldn't type this crap...enough already. Hubpages is for fun....so shall we carry on to another more less invasive subject????
its never ending jj, one gives up and another takes their place
Not to sound asinine, but wouldn't you agree the easiest way to not get worked up by this line of discussion is to ignore it? But I'm not here to be a troll, just thought I'd ask.
As far as this endless debate is concerned, however, I think those who choose to believe and those who don't have a variety of reasons known mostly to them. Keeping with the general theme now with this thread becoming such an eye sore, can't we all just get along?
I may never agree with what you believe in, but I respect and will always defend your right to do so. jjrubio and Toad do have a point, and I think if people really want to continue this line of discussion we should try to approach it with kindness and mutual respect.
Atheists don't believe in God, because there is no god.....(within the closed system that they live in).
It's beyond me how there is no possibility in their minds of an open system, or perhaps a world/reality "outside" their closed sysytem.
Or is it just their minds that are closed? I can't tell. Maybe one of them can tell?
I am not an atheist, but I don't believe in God. Belief is not necessary. Haven't we been here before?
Not sure what you mean."been here before"?
I was not targeting you with my comment, obviously, if you are not one . Did I get it about right though ?
By 'been here before' I meant 'had the same discussion', not 'reincarnated' or any such thing! Personally, I'd say that the statement 'there is no god' can be taken 2 ways: 1, as a belief, and 2, as a proposition that could be falsified by a single manifestation. I don't support option 1 because I don't support belief. Option 2 is fine.
Ok. I, therefore can honestly say, I hold the opposite view, with the acceptance of both propositions (IE 1 & 2).
"there is a God" being the opposite view.
1) I believe it, (I have faith, call it irrational, though I believe it to BE rational.)
2) Demonstrated by a single (actually countless, but one is good) manifestations. Jesus Christ.
Sadly though, it it occured previous to the time you and I live in, therefore we have to take someones word for it, (actually several eyewitness accounts). And, sadly again, it's in the "old book". Oh well, this is where we part company (figuratively speaking).
Yes, that's a fair summary (of our different positions). And I was brought up to share yours, and did, till I realised I didn't
Amazing. Mine was the other way round, (sort of). Raised RC, (very loosley so), but "converted", (saved, born again call it as you can understand it) when I was 20. NEVER looked back. Cerainly no regrets. My life has never been the same. (but I guess many others can say similar things from totally non-similar experiences).
But RC has the same Trinity as 'born again', surely? Just a few more rituals and a pope or three...
Not really sure how you can call it a closed system. I have said many times that if a god appeared I would change my tune.
Although - I assume you are just talking about believing in your particular god. None of the other ones that you do not believe in would count as being open minded.
But if you want to talk about close minded - how about dismissing evidence that we evolved because it does not agree with your irrational beliefs?
I d not believe in a god - but I am open minded enough to accept that there is one if he happens to drop by and show me.
And I am not really sure why you are hanging on to the jesus myth as some sort of proof. You are aware that that story was copied from another religion almost word for word right?
Hey brother. Congratulations! But be prepared the atheists will ridicule you, calling you idiot, abnormal and lazy, they will lie about you and so on, since they cannot prove of evolution. It is their dream.
Now, now dear Vladimir, I called you lazy because you told me that you wouldn't read the Bible again after many, many years.
Ridecule you---Say it isn't so!
I never called anyone an idiot nor abnormal. You cannot prove that there is a God either.
This is your mistake or lies. I never say I never will read the Bible. I am reading Bible daily (just few exception) for decades and it is my food. What I said is I do not need read unbiblical religious books you recommended. I meant New Age books. Please lady do not twist the matter.
I don't recall any of the atheists here calling me an idiot, abnormal, lazy, or telling lies about me.
Me thinks this person is being over the top to get a discussion going. There are better ways of doing it. This person is embarrassing people of faith.
Whats your problem? Too many atheists not enough christians?
That's a new one! Whom did I embarras, and how?
My apologies. I did not mean you; I meant the person that started the discussion. It is a silly issue. If a person believed in God they wouldn't be an Athiest. Everyone has there reasons for having faith or not.
I was an atheyist once.
I lost my mother when I was very young. She was religious. But God did not save her from cancer. How could I believe It could exist? God betrayed my mother and cursed our family. This I believed.
Now I am a little older. I'm no longer an atheyst. I'm agnostic. I don't have proof that God exists or that God don't exist. So I tend to believe in myself. And in a pinch I can always pray to God, because if exists, well, it's never bad to have God on our side!
It all comes down to faith. To what is life to you, what you believe created us all... Are we here by chance? Or are we not? Anyhow, what makes you live? And what you really want?
I think most of us just want to be happy. If believing in God, Allah, Buda, Science or any other thing gives you a feeling of reassurance that helps you to achieve that happiness, than that is a good thing.
Why can't people just start making hubs than start useless discussions in forums?
An Atheist is an atheist because that is his personal choice and that is what he wants to be. Rather than criticizing others or forcing our thoughts and beliefs on others left us try to improve ourselves first. Are we all perfect? I don't think so.
I found this I thought it would fit here.
"When I said to a believer in the theory of evolution, "Your trust is in fallible man. My trust is in infallible God," other atheistic believers in evolution replied:
"You trust the Bible, which was written, edited, compiled, interpreted, and preached by fallible man. That is all."
"No. Your trust is also in something you believe happened long ago that was written by fallible men: The Bible. Then you throw in the subjective feelings that you interpret as a personal relationship with an infallible God."
"You have trust in a book, written by men, assembled and edited and copied by men, none of them even claiming to be infallible."
These atheists are mixing apples and oranges. God is the Creator. The Bible is a compilation of 66 books. They are two distinct entities. It's like thinking that President of the United States is the Constitution. One is a written document, the other is the political leader of our country.
Christians of the first few centuries didn’t have a "Bible" as we know it. Most people of that time couldn’t read. The New Testament hadn’t been compiled, and there was no such things as the printing press. Those who were Christians were converted to Christ through the spoken message of the Gospel. They heard that they had violated God’s Law and that because of their crimes against a holy God, they were justly headed for Hell. But they also heard that God was rich in mercy to all that call upon Him, in that He provided a Savior. Jesus of Nazareth had paid the fine so that guilty sinners could have their case dismissed. Those who repented and put their trust in Him alone for their salvation received everlasting life as the gift of God.
They were saved by the power of God not by reading and believing the New Testament. Their trust was in Him, not in the Bible (again, which didn’t exist as we know it nowadays).
The contemporary Christian has the same experience. But we have the added blessing of having an Instruction Book that tells us what we experienced through our conversion, and how to live now that we have come to know God.
Consequentially, you can take the Bible away from me and burn it, or "disprove" it, or ban it, and it won’t change a thing for me because my salvation doesn’t come from believing the Bible, but through trusting in the person of Jesus Christ as my Lord and my Savior. Not even death will separate me from Him (see Romans 8:38-39).
An atheist further wrote, "But of course, as I've pointed out, you are not infallible; your trust might be in error." That would be true, if we were simply dealing with another human being. If you said to me that my trust in my wife is misplaced, I would be upset that you are insulting her integrity. I have a wife who is incredibly faithful, very loving, and extremely honest. Yet, she is still a human being and is therefore subject to human weakness. Not so with God. He is without sin. It is impossible for Him to lie. He keeps every promise He makes. You and I can trust Him like an immovable and solid rock.
So, if you are a professing atheist, you are without excuse. God has covered every base. You are dealing with the One who created the genome, the atom, the unspeakable complexities of DNA and this entire infinite universe. You cannot win. Give up. Humble yourself and surrender to His will today and you will come to know Him "whom to know is life eternal."
Written by Ray Comfort
Because if they believed in God, you can't call them atheist can you?
because that god kills people, makes people slaves, takes advantage of good people, causes people to fight, it's a dictatorship instead of spiritual freedom.
because the people that believe it play into everything it was ever against and they don't see it. Because they don't let people think they way they want to think without making them feel like they are these horrible people for not believing something they say is the truth.
because none of them can seem to get alone and neither will throw down the gauntlet, because they all believe they have some supernatural power to give people some spirit they call the holy spirit and then take away their own personal spiritual sense and replace it with things that are not good but they make you believe that it is good.
mostly monotheistic religions breed hate and intolerance while preaching love and acceptance with a clause.
no human that not believe in god, just that your defination of god and his defination is god different , YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO HATE THEM WHEN YOUR DEFINATION OF GOD CAN BE WRONG
YOU HATING IS NO THIS see what IAM SA? You just edeinite see what YOU WANTING to not? NO?
Seriously - at least try to learn to speak ENGLISH when you are shouting....... This garbage means nothing. Nothing at all.
Way to keep up your role as the official forum tough guy. You are so scary.
what you dont understand? refer me if you dont, dont say it garbage, cause for me yours can be garbage as well.
OK - This makes very little sense in English. I think this is what you meant to say:
People who do not believe in god, do actually believe in god, they just have a different definition of the word "god," and people who do believe in god SHOULD NOT HATE THEM FOR THIS.
Is that correct?
If not, please say it again.
and we can't let this hateness crawls within them like viruses, i knew that we can't against them for the moment, definetely we will fall and they will win, is my intention wrong? to gather people from another side where eventhough they dont follow any religion but they seed more love to others rather than hateness, my intention nothing to do with religions, i just wish to gather humans that living with more love from hateness, believe me god is not what they all waiting for, it is a realisation.
i dont understand how can these religion followers feels theirself better than others from different religion or atheist when there are hateness within them and pretending they reserved a ticket to heaven
Well, these are laudable goals, but you need to express yourself in English better.
Hate crawls within the religious like a virus
Their hate will always win because it comes from blind certainty
They should practice what they preach and love the unbelievers
Sow love instead of hatred
They are no better than the unbelievers
Why do they feel they are better?
We are all the same and they do not have a ticket to heaven much as they pretend they do
What do you think?
agree with you, how can we diferentiate between believers and non believers when at first we dont UNDERSTAND GOD
Well, the believers think they understand god. They also think they know what he wants, and many of them think that any one who does not believe the same thing they do are destined for an eternity in hell. A lot of them think they are going to live forever in heaven for preaching this stuff.
This is difficult to argue with because it is completely irrational, makes absolutely no sense, and goes against everything any observation of the world teaches us.
I do not have an answer to these people. Do you?
no human that not believe in god, just that your defination of god and his defination is god different , YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO HATE THEM WHEN YOUR DEFINATION OF GOD CAN BE WRONG
all letter's and number's represented in the English or any other language..have a history.An evolutionary process,They are merely 'symbols or glyphs'.created by mankind to produce or convey a message.The letters G,O,D or g,o,d therefore have a word attached to each letter.
an example is 'g' = 9 ( eternity) the letter 'o' = symbol for planet!
"And there are so oh many ways for me to show you how your GOD has abandoned you..." from JUDITH by A perfect circle.
If God is real, he isn't paying attention now. It has nothing to do with being selfish or wanting to take over the world. I personally belive there just might be a God.or gods, or spirits, But I still have to live my life on my own. Making my own decisons.
I can see your avatar is a picture of your shadow yet every time I see it I think of the Jolly Green Giant.
and? when your family is taken away just because of the stupids fanatics, i will see how you are going to live on your own, you will cry like a baby then, dont you think that it will take place, look at your leader are you rely on him when he is stucked in between this crisis
Some people have had a bad experience with religious organizations. Some people have a hard time with blind faith. In any case people should be respected for their faith or for their non-faith. Get past it and you will find that we are all people.
Personally I do not care what other people believe, as long as they allow me to believe in what I think is true. There are a lot of people in the world that want to tell everyone what to think and feel, which I learned the other day when I received an angry email. This person wanted to guilt trip me because I did not share their exact believes, but it must be their own guilt driving them to send out such emails. To each his own I say.
erm, maybe they make statues of Jesus so we can remember better. we can't see him so we need something to remind us of him, haha thats what i think
Nothing sad about it. You believe what you believe and others believe what they believe...
I cannot understand why some people do not believe in God. However, atheists are free to believe whatever they want. That's the beauty of God, He can force all men to serve Him, yet He gives us free will. What is so hard to believe? How do you explain gravity? The invisible boundaries of the oceans? The Earth's strategic location from the sun? The Bible being written by so many people from so many backgrounds, living hundreds of years apart but writing about a common theme? It boggles my mind that some find this all hard to believe, but they are allowed.
As it boggles my mind that you believe as you do. I am able to readily define that any entity in need of worship is psychotic? Why do you not see that?
And the church used to preach that the Earth was the centre of the universe and they used the Bible to argue that...and punished people who disagreed. Now it's preached as "the Earth's strategic location from the sun"?
Maybe you should read a science textbook to learn about gravity... I don't get what you mean about "invisible boundaries of the oceans"...the boundaries have changed throughout the life of the earth.
One thing that has always puzzled me
If an Atheist does not beleive in God (or gods)
Why do they spend time trying to disprove something they dont believe exists???
Personally, I don't. I don't think of it at all. I only think of it when people keep bringing it up and ignoring known scientific facts. And when people keep creating atheism vs religion thread on the forum so I can't ignore it.
yep like my daddy used to say
politics and religion never go outta date (funny how those two topics should go hand in hand)
The State/religion thing ain't right I tells ya!
They go hand in hand because they are both based on dogma, not reason. That's why the arguments have no end.
"They do not bother for poor, sick, helpless"
That Sir, is a lie.
The worst example of a non-caring organization is the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church, which claims to be the "one true church" that is the only one to belive in for salvation.
Well lets quote one example; The recent Earthquake in L'Aquila in Italy. Why were the Victims not housed in Church properties instead of being made to freeze in tents? There must be many unused Church properties in Rome.
I know how the Roman Catholic Church ignores the poof and victims of disasters. I am a bedraggled refugee from the "Holy" Roman CAtholic Church. I havee seen first hand it's attitude to the disadvantaged.
I am now a proud Atheist.
The Catholic Church has a specific institution inside its enormous organization devoted to help the poor, the sick, the helpless. It's called CARITAS and it does just that, it gathers the moneys of catholic people from the whole world and organizes the distribution, in a very rational way, to those in need. They cover the whole world, more or less.
Of course, as with all things human, it's easy to imagine that CARITAS might be imperfect, might have slight instances where corruption appears, but in the whole it's quite a great, useful institution.
The Catholic Church does help the poor, the sick, the helpless.
By the way, I am not a catholic.
This is the religion forum ?
With the kinds of posts and posters ?
Isn't a religion forum supposed to be one where iron sharpens iron ?
Gimme a break !
To get a bit of a wider view on credo, go take a backward look at these threads.
Oh I get it! You're purposely trying to not make sense! You don't know love and you expect respect? You have no moral foundation and you cry for credibility! Nice try! Still no credo for you! Peace.
And you know "love". Please enlighten all the atheist as to what love is so we can come back and put a check mark next to all the unloving statements you just made to Earnest, who is a very loving person indeed.
Dear SR, Ernie is a smart innocent individual whose being re-gifted the love he gave to me. This is a playful verbal volley but since you're here. If you or Ernie feel its ok to say what ever and cry foul when challenged then I'm affraid you're whoosies! No its even worse your liberals!
Ernie just so you know I didn't miss it, I got your narrow view right here pal.Peace.
Ron, I am amazed at the versatility of your muffins! They always fit the occasion so well.
Now thats awesome! I love muffins! Thats a really great picture you knocked me over with a muffin! I never saw it coming! Is it hard to do? Peace.
Talking to some, I have come to believe that some athiests lost their faith. One in particular lost his limbs and asked that since god is almighty, why didn't he let them grow back.
He even went so far as to say that since God didn't let them grow back, then God must not be almighty and does not exists.
I am a Christian and I almost lost my faith, too so I can understand. I wrote about it on one of my hubs called "My Transgression"
Yeh sure, I'm heartbroken you don't believe what I do too. You know what? I'll be over it in a minute.
It requires thinking skill and effort. They lack both
Hey Ernie you met Misha? Misha you met Ernie? Look you two I have an idea since you're convinced and you have no doubt theres no God and you're as rational as you think you are then please reference your sources. Just to keep it real, the source has to be published, non-fiction and from people who are not high.
Misha here we go! The story Christians believe is the one about a man, the son of God. We believe he came to help guide us through the maze we know as life. His teachings and the ones in the Old Testiment give us the moral guideposts needed to return to Heavenly Father. Now Jesus was on the earth for a very, very, very short time. This man the son of God has changed this world in a profound way, no other person in recorded history has been able to match. He had no money, his family were simple, honest people. They had no influence his memory has lasted because its the truth.
Look you can lay around and mope but wheres it get you? All your causes will still be there and the Christians will do the dirty work for you. I'm refering to the disaster relief efforts, charity, family counseling, help with the elderly, home repairs for the poor and a myriad of people services. Now remind me what atheist organization helped its neighbors in need.
You can play all the word games you want but I have over 2000 years of staying power and you have a swelling government that will do it for you. The price is cheap, sort of, its your soul. Is it worth it? Its not to me. Peace.
Have you met god, god have you met sneaker? You are totally convinced and have no doubt that there is a god and you're as rational as you think you are then please reference your sources. Just keep it real, the source has to be published, non-fiction and from people who are not high.
no, it's because they killed for him and die for him and from those that were killed in his name, money was also taken and the process continues until this day because you still believe that killing in the name of Jesus Christ made so unholy, is the way god wants it.
You mean genocide?
You mean the millions of civil citizen who don't believe you have to be apart of an organization to help people in need.
That has to be one of the most arrogant and ignorant, things you guys say. Please go f**k yourself. I am sure your human burning god will forgive you.
All you have is 2000 years is lies, murder, deception, thievery and arrogance.
I told ya it requires thinking skill. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn. You possess some effort though.
Thank you Ernie. I love you, but not your sin.
I'd draw a cake with no signifigance totaly neutral so its not offensive to anyones sensibilities and call it the inclusive cake where Ernie, Misha, and SR and all their buddies can share on me. The thought is the best I can do because I don't know how.Peace.
Easy. No greater love. You can take it from there. Video would be great.
No? Don't want to prove it?
Oh dear. You mean you are a christian, and you "love," everyone, but do not know how to show it?
You can show how you hate their sin though huh?
Hey Mark, I would help anyone in need and share what I have with a stranger in need. Jesus, The Christ, when he came to us gave us two tasks. One Love Heavenly Father, two love each other. I would love to be able to share his message with anyone. I pray for those who don't have his love in their heart and wish I knew a way to show how its changed me. I'm still a wiseass but I spend a whole lot more time helping those in my area that need it.Peace.
OK, lol Hey random person hiding behind a user name that means nothing,
So - you can be a wiseass - just like jesus said - attack some one who does not believe the same rubbish you do, and then say you love them, but not their "sin."
Now prove that you love them rather than just attack them from behind your shield. Come on - you know the only way to do it. Greater love hath no man..............
Well Mark if you're implying since I didn't die while I was in the military I can't have a belief system, thanks. What I say here is for fun, I like to pull strings, its a game we play with each other when we recreate.
Now if your own guilt about your behavior has you gripping I can help find some of the answers you may need to find peace. You don't appear to be the kind of person who would care about what others say or think. If you are an atheist you probally would enjoy pulling my string and trying to make me out to be a hypocrite. You know what I believe so what do you believe? Do you share the Judeo/Christian values this country was founded on or are you one of those Godless comunists?
Now as I explained before, If you want a picture to see who I am(you're not missing much) I would if I could but its taken me since Christmas to get this far. Mark I'm a workerbee, I make a modest income, my wife of 33yrs makes alot more, we have a son we love very much who attends a Christen university. I'm one of the knucleheads that freeze in the duck blinds and curse the tangles in my reel. I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. If I wasn't a big guy you wouldn't even notice me in a crowd.
If you want to play I'll play but first you have to show your hand I'm calling you. You know my hand I'm like a million other work-a-day Christians. What are you? Peace.
Shooting poorly-armed Iraqi "insurgents" so the oil companies can make sure they control the oil there does not really count.
Your responses speak for themselves.
You've made the irrational assumption, unsupported by any evidence, that I post wearing clothes. Are you hating on nude bakers?
Well Ernie, lets see, I am according to your like mined friends, a bigot, ignorant, illiterate, moron, pin head, hater, stupid, a waste of time, insensitive, programed, sloppy, a man with no credo, uninformed, narrow minded, Christian zombie, a Christian murderer, out of touch, nazi, Christian nazi, conservative nazi, rightwing nazi, gay basher, idol worshiper and dumbass. If I left anything out please with all your worldly wisdom help me out. See we can work together!
Wheres your twin sister Misha in all of this getting how to be a man lessons from SR? She could help you out with her less than femnine insults which would put right in step with other Metro -Sexuals. Unless of course you are gay then you have alot bigger issues to deal with.Peace.
Well dear sweet colebaby? What might you be referring to? My lack of sensitivity or my ignorance? We might as well start on the right foot so I'll need to know where you're coming from unless of course you're lost. If you're lost don't feel bad theres a whole gagle of them here that have defective compasses.
I see you're a college student and you are obviously very worldly its probably do to your preference for a secular education. Our family opted for Christian universities so you know we're totally programed. If your boy friend is actually a boy I'm proud of you, if its a butch you'll fit in well here. Peace.
Of course I was referring to both your lack of sensitivity and your ignorance. Trust me sir/ma'am, you don't want to start something with me. I am worldly. Are you suggesting that those who do not participate in secular education are not? I don't believe that Christian universities "program" their students, it is up to the individual student the influence that is held over them. Yes my boyfriend is a "boy", not sure where the misconception lies in the term "boyfriend." And if I was a lesbian, you shouldn't see any problem with it. You end your postings with the term "Peace" maybe you should practice what you preach. I am not up to dealing with a homophobic, close-minded individual right now. Have a nice day
Precious colebaby, I can see you're a killer! Just to clear the air, homosexuals think their the same as heterosexuals. This in mind, you know how to stir something hopefully. Well once you hypothetically mix the ingredients then who knows whats an it, a he or a she. Colebaby I don't advocate violence, just a verbal battle of opinions. Not being up to the task is very liberal of you. Peace.
Homophobic, paranoid rants are more effective if you use spellcheck and basic grammar rules when crafting them. Why spend hours of thought on your response only to have it dismissed for its technically poor form? On behalf of all bigot, ignorant, illiterate etc. etc. etc. please do not represent us so sloppily.
You know, they say that total homophobes are actually homosexual and use this sort of talk to assert themselves that they are not what they do not like... or actually what you were taught not to accept.
You could take a lesson on being a human, maybe a picture. Or are you afraid? I think you are afraid. Maybe not of us harmless atheist who respect individuality and life, but from your fellow christians.
SR, I'm a homo!? I'm doomed! I'm a HOMO and I'm afraid!I'm doomed, doomed! My fellow Christians hate me? Whats left to live for? I could be a liberal? That tears it, no more of those girlie restaurants for me! Crap, I knew that food wasn't right. Peace.
Don't call me precious. And like Ron suggested, take a look at your grammar and spelling once again. It is killing whatever argument you think you have.
Darling colebaby, If my lack of proper writting skills is all you got, you're on very thin ice. Its probably time for you to head to church. Your new wave lifestyle is holding you back sweetheart. Peace.
Cross "darling" and "sweetheart" off the list of things to call me as well. "Thin ice" refers to being on the verge of trouble. It doesn't apply to this situation. You are also assuming that I don't go to church or that I am not a Christian.
Ok sugarbooger, I'm not assuming anything. I'm convinced whatever you are, first and formost you're a freak. If you attend church my hats off to you honey! Christian or not, you're known by the company you keep pudd'n. These boys and girls here are all dangerous liberals! Peace.
Ok pirateboy, Do you have any idea how much practice it takes to be this goofy? Methink you're a better parrot than a pirate skippy! That said, there are plenty of cutthroats and wenches here you're in good company. Peace.
I kinda guessed being goofy came natural to you and be thankful you aint saying boy to my face. But then the internet lets the little boys become all talk, albeit the biggest pile of cack !
Ok pirateboy whatever you say but if you think you're a bad ass thats cute sweetie but you should be able to deduct from my lack of writting skills that this isn't my profession. I'm big dumb and way too ugly for you to threaten. So bad(?)company don't get your panties in a twist unless you have alot of help. Peace.
Here I will let you into a secret ok and please don't laugh. I actually guessed you were big, ugly and dumb. Uncanny or what ?
Pirateboy, Its pure genious! Now see an atheist can think if you really try! I'm truely amazed, however; I think your shipmates have abandoned ship. As with all atheists they just don't have any staying power. Once they start flapping their lips(fingers) the hot air shoots out their orafices. They have no foundation, just moosch! Peace.
Sugarbooger and pudd'n? Seriously? Apologies for not getting back to you sooner, I didn't abandon my amazing Captain friend. I had dinner with my family. I know I'm known by the company I keep, and I'm quite happy with that. So looking at my group of friends I'm known as intelligent, generous, loving, and fun. I denied your fanmail by the way. I don't want discriminating, hateful people in my company, what would people think?? While I don't condone the use of the word "retarded" you should probably listen to your son. Have a nice night.
Thanks for the face slap, if you really feel that is how someone is behaving you handled it well. When you said that I shouldn't pick a fight with you I thought you were ready to play, sorry my mistake. Yours wasn't the first door slammed in my face, I will refrain from any further conversations with you. Peace.
Psst Solid are you on medication or something?
I can hardly understand what yer tryin to say.
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