Trump and the Christain Right.

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   Paul Wingertposted 8 years ago

   All Trump seems to do is insult women, minorities and the US as a whole. So one might ask, why would any woman, minority or anyone with an ounce of dignity vote for him? For the fundamentalist Christian, this makes sense because as a whole, they're used to be talked down to and insulted. But they have hopeinan oranged haired lunatic. But isn't that what Christianity is all about? That we are all flawed because Eve took dietary advice from a talking snake?  I can't talk for all the 40,000+ denominations of Christianity, but some pastors do talk down to their sheeple - breaking them down in order to keep filling their pews for a promise of salvation. These beaten down people fall for this BS and gladly pay for the service - I'm in the wrong business.  So Trump tells his sheeple that the US is flawed (only in his imagination - yes we have our issued just like any other industrial nation) and he is going to be our savior although he has no realistic answers, just BS - kind like how pastors convince their sheeple that are flawed from birth. But don't worry. You can be SAVED! Hmm. Saved from what? Rational thinking? This is the same brainwashing techniques Trump is usingto win over the Christian right. Easy as pie since they are already beaten down and need some to believe in since they are unable tio think for themselves. Christianity needs the Adam and Even story (even though it's a BS story stolen from a previous religion's BS story) to base their belief on. If one thinks about it, it was God that created the origional sin and later sent his son to save us from himself. Interesting concept and as we can see, Trump is running with it.

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   Castlepalomaposted 8 years ago

   Pope said Trump is not a Christian because Christian builds bridges, not walls. What dose the Pope know, he says aliens are our Savior, not Jesus.
   
   The people who are really running the show are faceless like the wizard of Oz behind the secret curtain. Who ever they select will be another delusion of our freedom and security. A revolution must happen again on a another dark empire hierarchy system to save ourselves again. When dose it start? When the people get too sick and tired of the abuse, when hierarchy tool like Military, politricks and Christianity no longer running the show, yet the people are.

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   I would recommend:
   DEFINING LOGIC
   Logic is the Process of Non-Contradictory Identification of that which Exists
   Existence is Identity, Consciousness is the Process of Identification
   The Ultimate History Lesson: A Weekend with John Taylor Gatto

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   Live to Learnposted 8 years ago

   Is Trump an ass? Certainly.
   
   Does he look down on women? From my perspective, yes.
   
   Does he state disparaging things about minorities? Yes.
   
   Who is best suited to address the multiple problems with our government and our economy? It is not Hillary.
   
   Insulting Christians is an ignorant defense of a Hillary vote.

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      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What about the Christian-Left we might wonder?
      
      The biggest problem is election rigging and voter fraud, which we know full well exists. Western Pennsylvania has been the worst, but Trump was in a dead heat there last I checked.  Many undecided are leaning toward Trump after the first debate from what I have read. There are white, patriotic, God fearing Democrats who are most likely union members (which is a union stronghold), and these Americans are rejecting Hillary.
      
      Donald Trump Rally in Manheim, Pennsylvania (10/1/2016)
      *  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qV_lJX76bg
      
      Pennsylvania is a mess because of lost jobs. 
      Its time for real change.

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         Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I do believe the democratic party is much worse than the republican party with the problem of voter fraud.

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   Castlepalomaposted 8 years ago

   Since John Kennedy with exception of maybe Bill Clinton every President shows basics cost of living gone up and wages have not. North America is a debtor nations with nothing to back the dollar. BRICS except Brazil are credit nations, economy growing much faster than ours and currency back by gold or trade.
   
   Finance is the God when it comes to hierarchy system, Religion is a hierarchy tool to fight 90℅ of the wars today. To vote another trained mercenary for the rich President again, makes no improvement for the people,deep down everyone knows this. The Humpty Dumpty system is broken and never can be fixed. Get over it and start with a system to serve you, your family and the planet.
   Or
   Continue with your hit on the head lessons in finding a false leader to suffer greater worst things to come.

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   Ceegenposted 8 years ago

   "And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day." - 1st Samuel ch8 v18
   
   If you think voting is going to change anything, you misunderstand what being a believer in Jesus really means. A changed heart and mind is what this nation needs, not a political leader to rally behind. A lot of Christians don't vote, let alone vote for Trump or Hillary.

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      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Writing for the left-leaning Washington Post, Marc Thiessen, declared that “Hillary Clinton is a threat to religious liberty.” He began his October 13 column with these two sobering paragraphs:
      
      In a speech not long before she launched her 2016 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton made a stunning declaration of war on religious Americans. Speaking to the 2015 Women in the World Summit, Clinton declared that ‘deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.’
      
      Religious beliefs have to be changed? This is perhaps the most radical statement against religious liberty ever uttered by someone seeking the presidency. It is also deeply revealing. Clinton believes that, as president, it is her job not to respect the views of religious conservatives but to force them to change their beliefs and bend to her radical agenda favoring taxpayer-funded abortion on demand.”
      
      *  https://stream.org/be-assured-president-hillary/
      *  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … a170a9906c
      
      

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         wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         "Speaking to the 2015 Women in the World Summit, Clinton declared that ‘deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed."
         
         Would you not say that the deep seated cultural codes and muslim beliefs concerning women have to be changed?  Would you not agree that the deep seated cultural codes and Christian beliefs concerning homosexuality have to be changed? 
         
         Clinton is right on this issue: there are some cultural and religious beliefs that have to change just to keep up with changing morality and culture today.  Regardless of how strong that belief is, or how desperately the believer wants everyone to live their life by it, it still needs changed.

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            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Hillary is good at putting words together that sound good and right for the public, but she admitted in a Wall Street speech that she has her private views.  Be very wary of agreeing to anything she says. 
            
            I'm amazed that the NY Post published this article. 
            *  http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/huma-abedi … -10-years/
            
            Until now, these articles which Abedin helped edit and publish have remained under wraps. Perhaps Clinton was unaware she and her mother took such opposing views.
            
            But that’s hard to believe. Her closest adviser served as an editor for that same Saudi propaganda organ for a dozen years. The same one that in 1999 published a book, edited by her mother, that justifies the barbaric practice of female genital mutilation under Islamic law, while claiming “man-made laws have in fact enslaved women.”
            
            Hillary Clinton's closest aid has a mother who supports female mutilation
            *  http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-huma- … supporter/
            
            

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            Ceegenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Why do Christians have to "accept" the LGBT+ crowd? We get along just fine when we don't bother each other. Harassment and violence is already unlawful, so anyone doing that can be prosecuted if that is the case.
            
            But saying something is a sin, does not equate to hatred. If someone has a problem with it being a sin, then take it up with God, not us believers. They don't need our acceptance to be happy with their life, and if one does, that says more about their inadequacies than anything.

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               Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Sound like a good idea, take it up with God.
               
               Out of millions of God's I pick Mother nature. God of the earth, plants and Animals. Oh my God!!!, humans have done horribly job at keeping nature's laws. How about her most important plant, the Cannabis plant, human claimed  a worldwide. war on it for the pass 80 years. Making it still public enemy one.
               
               Then they hired police and troops to kill more people than the public have killed. They interfere with people's sex life and brainwash people to what is ok to put in your own body and what is not ok.
               
               Sounds all backwards to the God of nature who wants freedom. Government and their God father this harming us more with safety beyond our own best judgement.

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                  Ceegenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm not even quite sure what to make of that, or how it relates to the discussion.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     We are also talking about the Christian right. What is right and what is wrong. A sin is wrong, yet that depends on morals of what religion or a God you believe in.  Ethics, I can understand what is right or wrong, like stealing and murder. Our Governments steals, lies and murder more than any other group under the greedy bunch.Yet we treat them like God paying more taxes than we pay for our own food and rent on average.
                     
                     You say you do not have to except gays. You say take it up with God if it is a wrongful sin. If gays were a religion, they would be the third largest religion on earth, yet along with millions of other Gods you would not except them.
                     
                     I don't understand Christians and probably never will, yet I do except them. It is the flow of the world, where many Christians are at odds with most of the world yet only they can get elected as a president and true ethics get thrown out the window.

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                        Ceegenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        If gays were a religion, they would be the third largest religion? I seriously doubt that. Less than 10% of any given population is homosexual. The world's population, being about 8 billion, would mean approximately 800-million people world-wide are hypothetically gay. That's still less than the world's population of Hindus.
                        
                        But no, what is right and wrong does not depend on what you believe in. Right and wrong is objectively absolute, whether we like it or not. Right and wrong is more like a fundamental law of physics, and that does not change with time.
                        
                        But going back to the original topic about Trump and the "Christian right"... What is it about people that automatically labels Christians as being at the "right end of the political spectrum"? Never mind the fact that the "left-right" political spectrum is complete garbage, based on nothing in reality!
                        
                        I mean if we're going by what people say they are, and merely by what they say they are, then Hitler was a Christian? Stalin was a Christian? George Washington was a Christian? None of them were! They just said that they were to get elected. In fact many people in politics say things that aren't true, just to get elected. Why do people still believe what politicians say?
                        
                        My point in relation to that end is, any Christian who thinks that they are going to change the state of this nation with a vote, is wrong. Not only do I think they're wrong, but I think they're being deceived about who Trump says he is. Trump doesn't believe in God, he believes in himself, and money. He is no better than Hillary, who I wouldn't trust as far as a North Korean rocket could go. (Which is not very far in case you were wondering).
                        
                        The whole system is corrupt, from top to bottom, and from the bottom up again. The system is corrupt, because people are corrupt. People are corrupt, because they've left God behind, and with that, objectivity and absolutes. Christians aren't going to be in a better spot, no matter who gets elected. In fact, it's only going to get worse for us.

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                           Castlepalomaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           I wonder how many people really find their religion as important as being spiritual side as a whole. Gays would find being gay is important as it''s most likely their ultimate love.
                           
                           Ok by stats, Gays would be the fourth largest religion in the World.
                           
                           Plus, in agreement with much of the rest of your last statements.

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   cheaptrickposted 8 years ago

   Ceegen,you Nailed it right at the end;some people"Don't vote".
   I stay away from politics because I'm sure it's all planned and scripted and has no bearing on the important issues of this country...kind of like pro wrestling on TV,or a recurring soap opera every four years (same roles,different actors) that's getting to predictable for people who think.
   Funny thing is;The most common answer I get to "Who are you voting for is..."neither one"...people Are waking up...hope it's not to late....
   And the answer to the statement "Your Vote Counts!" is...Go tell that to Al Gore.Ha!

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