Why do many Christians believe God called Trump but not Obama?

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Misfit Chickposted 7 years ago

This is a really good question for Christians... Why was Obama erroneously-labeled the anti-christ; while a man like Trump is considered to be 'called' and appointed by God?

Ps 21:1 "The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will."

Romans 13:1 "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God."

Jn 19:11 "Jesus answered [Pontius Pilate],“You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above."

Recently, religiously-conservative Christian mega-pastor, Paula White, an old Florida friend of Trump & currently a religious advisor to him (AND a woman who also had an 'inappropriate relationship' with fellow mega-pastor, Benny Hinn) - came out in a big way to defend Trump being raised up 'by the hand of God' in the style of Queen Esther - and how Christians, especially, should support him against unprecidented reactions NEVER before seen against a potus.

Afterwards, Roland Martin, an established journalist with a master’s degree in Christian communications slammed back hard to help put things back into perspective for her. You can search for both videos on YouTube, Martin's push back is titled, 'Roland Martin To Paula White: Be A Prophetic Voice And Don't Just Be A Profitable Voice'

Here are a few splashes from his remarks:

"This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: I brought Israel up out of Egypt, and I delivered you from the power of Egypt and all the kingdoms that oppressed you. But, you have now rejected your God, who saved you out of all your disasters and calamities. And you have said, ‘No, appoint a king over us.’ So now, present yourselves before the Lord by your tribes and clans.’ That’s when the Prophet Samuel anointed Saul because the PEOPLE wanted a king.

You have the audacity to ask how any man could withstand what Donald Trump has gone through… How about eight years of what Barak Obama went through when the same person you praise questioned his Christianity, questioned his faith and dared to present the birther movement, as somehow he was not a full American? That was an outright lie, but you stood with that man.

The same man who said he would grab women by the vagina, the same man who said he would force himself upon women to kiss them when he wanted. The same man who chastised Senator John McCain who was a P.O.W. The same man who chastised Mexicans and called them rapists and criminals. The same man who has not shown at all, how to act like, sound like, or be a Christian.

Here is the reality, Pastor Paula White… We are going to pray for this president because we have evil in the White House. We have somebody who wants to attack people of color, attack the poor, attack Muslims and break up families. You dare say no one else has come under this kind of attack, please explain to me why so many white evangelicals like yourself have been quiet...

God called for the prophetic to stand up to question people in power and challenge them. Let me remind you of the Prophet Samuel who went to Saul and told him he was doing wrong and advised him that he had gone against the commandments of God. … And, the Prophet Nathan who went to David and told him he had sinned against God by laying with Bathsheba."

So, the question is... Why are the candidates Conservatives vote for 'of God' while every other candidate is considered to be (literally) evil (like Hillary, she is also heavily-portrayed as 'evil', not just a 'bad politician')? Its a really good question; and those of us who are completely flabbergasted by the thinking of so many good, well-intentioned Christian people - would LOVE an explanation.

Be careful how you respond... I am a former evangelical Christian & right-wing Conservative, reformed into a Moderate or Centrist mindset. I know my bible, as well as typical 'conservative' thinking surrounding it from decades back (check out my 1st spotlight hub if you doubt that, LoL!).
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The way I see it is if a Christian votes for someone they are sent by God and if they don't vote for them they are the anti Christ. It's a simple either or thing. Your biblical quotes are all well and good but it's the decision made in the voting booth that makes the difference.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It is obvious that you have a serious dislike for me, LtL. I'm really not sure why you respond to any of my stuff. Your response is passive-aggressive. What does it mean when one Christian votes for a GOP candidate; while another one votes for a Dem? Which one is the antichrist?
  
  There was a whole hell of alot of 'evil' (and again, obviously erroneous) crap swirling around about Obama. I'm still waiting for a good explanation regarding why Obama was so unacceptible for Christian militants; but Trump has been deemed as being sent by your God...
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I could spend a great deal of time attempting to determine how my response equates to disliking you or being passive aggressive. I'll pass.
  
  My point was that anyone with any desire to look at the question truthfully will admit that biblical quotes are easily used to back up any opinion. We have enough anecdotal evidence to easily see this. So, your quotes wouldn't do much to bolster your argument.
  
  Also, it can't be both ways. I realize Paul (is it?) makes some comment about our leaders are given to us by God but, that would mean Obama, as well as Trump, were given. There is no defense for anyone calling anyone an anti Christ or a gift from God.
  
  As to your 'my God' comment. This is from your point of view. I do notice a lot of times people will find attributes they perceive as unpleasant and assign them to God and other people they seek to demonize in their own minds. My God, would be your God and everyone else's. It's kind of an either or thing. There is or there isn't and if there is then we both fall into the category of creatures of creation. I don't have to subscribe to an immature belief simply because you desire it.
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  Annkfposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  That's actually accurate, the Bible says that God raises up kings, (or presidents,) and he brings them down.
  Most people don't consider King Saul God placed him as king over Israel. They didn't even have to have a king residing over them, but that is what they wanted and that is what they got.
  As for Obama, he was very anti-Christian. I didn't vote for him at all because of that alone. I did vote for Trump.. He may or may not be a Christian, but when God raise up king Cyrus to deliver Israel from Babylon, Cyrus wasn't a Jew or a Christian.
  People can make all kinds of statements about Trump, and claim that their statements are bible-backed, but I still have not seen on that actually is.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  True Annkf, Trump is a type equivalent of Saul who was evicted by god and replaced with David: Trump will be evicted (Impeached?) and replaced by the "son of man" from the root of David (Revelation 5:5) who is the only one able to unseal the Bible, book by definition. The book was found tasted sweet as honey (very attractive) and bitter as gaul in digesting (filled with much pain requiring enduring to accomplish) which the coming messiah must/have achieved.
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  Annkfposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you think that? There's been all kinds of "Russian theories," and other rediculous claims. Yet not one ounce of proof has surfaced. The fact is, Obama mocked God even before he was elected in 2008. He was very anti-Christian.
  Trump may not be perfect, but he for Christians and the poor, and the nation as as a whole.
  Video of Obama mocking God's word.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWpAQDx1iVQ
  Video of Trump prayer.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAILutLQg8U
  What did Jesus say about it?
  Luke 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  When one comprehend "God's word" they know everything said in Obama's video is true and written, his assessment is correct for the 180 degrees of it he presented therefore he din not "mock" it in the video but presented facts of the bible few people understand the interpretation of.
  
  What we have concerning Trump's calling ministers to the White House is more of a "Mockery" than what is presented as being what Obama did. The Christ said "enter your closet and pray in secret that the god who hears in secret can reward you openly" but there we have "Publicans" standing in the market place praying to be seen - and therefore praised - of human/woman who are not "Sons of God".
  
  Since every authority is set up by God (Romans 13) and "Sons of God" are only subject to God directly, "Forbid him not: for he that is not against [God] is for [God]" because very few, if any, of us know enough about God's will to judge with equity; meaning seeing the full 360 degrees concerning any and all matters.
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  Annkfposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  The0NatureBoy,
  I'm sorry. I didn't read your comment. I'm not fluent in nonsense.
  I see you made up different things to fit your own hateful agenda.
  Have fun...
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Your statement means you don't know hate from love,Annkt, and that's ok, few people do.
  
  I put that NONSENSE out so whoever wants to read it will, all who don't will not, I know I have "sown my "Seeds of Life" so those who rather perish [Discarnate] than comprehend life has the responsibility to do so. No apology necessary, you have your destiny to live and reincarnate until it is your time to be willing to comprehend life and its purpose.
  
  Peace.
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  Annkfposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I suppose you know the difference. Usually when someone says, "few people do," that means the one saying it thinks very highly of his or her "superior," knowledge.
  
  Thanks for making me smile..
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What most people call love is a form of hate, little do they know. The only love is "unconditional love" called Agape and also "Indifference" which is the joining point of love and hate.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  I do not think my knowledge is "superior" I know what I present has been provided to me from the all knowing source. I also agree with you in your statement that to say "fews people do" is said when one "know" their source of.. or "believe" their ...knowledge is superior; since I know my source "is the all knowing" I don't have to believe.
  
  You are most welcome, Annkf.
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  Misfit Chickposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  This had nothing to do with what was said: "Your statement means you don't know hate from love,Annkt, and that's ok, few people do."
  
  It really is the thing 'know-it-alls' say when they want to view themselves as being 'more righteous than thou'.
  
  I'd put good money on you not knowing what 'unconditional love' is either, NB. It is far more about the 'unconditional nature' of our existence, than it is about 'loving people no matter what'.
  
  Meaning: God is the creator of both good & evil (or allows the creation of both good & evil) - and loves everyone 'unconditionally' no matter what they are doing. He isn't just 'loving them ANYWAY - no matter what they are doing'. He just loves us all unconditionally - and in fact, can't even SEE our 'sins' in order to 'forgive' them (which means he is incapable of judging souls like we do).
  
  If you want that explanation in extensive detail, check out my very first spotlight hub.
  
  I know it sounds like pretty much the same thing - but people like to make sure God acknowledges 'sin' within their limited explanations of unconditional love. But, the only people who value the idea of sin, judgment - and redemption from it - are pagans who invented all that nonsense to begin with (along with much of the crap you are spouting off, NB).
  
  Life is meant to be so much more simple than our overwhelmed human brains can currently comprehend. It is the ultimate jaggernaught and brain teaser, LoL!
  
  Surely you can come up with your own questions surrounding this issue instead of hogging the responses in here, NB. I've already blown your BS out of the water several times in several different places within HP. If I have to reiterate it in here so that it buries your BS, I will.
  
  You can let someone else talk.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  What you don't realize is "I am a channel" of what is called god in revealing the actual meaning of the things which are. Just after my "spiritual conception" I told what is called god "I consider everything I have been taught to be in error" and ask for it to teach me. I also surrendered "every fiber of my being" to it relinquishing all control of every part of me to its control therefore I am the channel for the "know it all" to convey it's message to the "wanna be know it alls".
  
  Unconditional love is "the accepting without attachment or rejection, hearing their message, revealing your message, revealing one's own and having no desire to control them". What is yours, Misfit Chick? So, is that another way you have it written on your "first spotlight hub" that I can know your explanation came from "god"? When I read it I didn't see it, did you delete my reply or did Hubpages since I don't see it there.
  
  What is called god made only "the knowledge of good and evil" and for human/woman to attach "evil" to the things their sense perceptions reject and "good" to what sense perceptions accept. Since you say god made us it also predestined each of us to fulfill the individual role their incarnation has for them to be, since i have been taught that I am "in the difference between love and hate" called unconditional love because "god" is channeling it through me. Thus, "sin" and "righteousness" and all of the other judgmental adjectives are only words god made to confuse human/woman until it is time for them to return to being man, as I am in this incarnation.
  
  Once we become a channel for "god" uses to convey "its" message to human//woman what I am saying life becomes simple and truth reveals itself through them but so long as they [human/woman] want to control their own destiny it is very confusing.
  
  The more you "blown your BS out of the water " the less others will accept you. You do it so you can have someone to communicate with and still I will be indifferent to you.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There is nothing to respond to, like many conservatives, too many, the issue is race and ideology not Christian faith. I saw that in 2012 where they declared Romney the true Christian despite the fact that most of them considered Mormonism a cult. If they were really true to their beliefs, it is clear that Trump would have been cast out as a heathen. This is a man for whom the trait of reverence is the least applicable. It is pretty easy to see the Christian Right is just another bunch of 'good ole boys' and I have been to their churches and felt the resentment to the point that you could cut it with a knife.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You don't think the ideology of those types of Christians has anything at all to do with their 'faith'? There are so many versions of Christianity; and some people are seriously caught up in it like a cult. They are pretty much to Christianity as ISIS is to Islam. Dogmatic. Angry. Manipulated, etc.
  
  It sounds like you have only visited these churches a few times. No wonder you talk like you don't quite know what I mean. You should hear some of the sermons that are preached about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers. (Sarah Palin is a good indication - remember what she had to say about those things? She was laughed at because of historical inaccuracies.) You should hear the ridiculous sermons about how women are designed by God to be submissive to their husbands & fathers, etc. You should hear the sermons about the apocalypse (inciting fears of a 'one-world-government' - which is where their fear of a healthcare policy comes in). You should hear the sermons about mandatory tithes & offerings... and how 'helping other people thru government' is actually a literally EVIL thing to do.
  
  Good for you for missing out on all the uber-fun surrounding religious extremism, Credence. You're probably pretty normal; and I'm now wondering if that is not part of the problem in this country: people live in their own worlds (as they should); but they are completely unaware of the beliefs of the people around them - or how dangerous they can be.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I adhere to the Christian faith and at least according to my interpretation which can disputed, I believe that nationalism has no place among true believers. Contrary to what you may believe I have been invited and have attended enough of these sorts of sermons. The message of the Bible is peace, not crusades like endless warfare. I know what you mean, but rightwing orthodoxy is a religion in itself. Just because these people say that they are Christian does not mean that they can employ a smorgasbord style picking morsels that suit them. Man's law is innately flawed, so putting the accomplishment of men on a pedestal in this setting is inappropriate. So, I don't want to hear about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers, but I am more interested in Jesus and the ransom sacrifice. I don't give Sarah Palin any credibility be it in the secular or spiritual realm..
  
  How have the pronouncements of the Christian Right proven to be consistent with scripture? They have not proven that to me, so their utterances are irrelevant. This is just my opinion and I never expect anybody to take it as gospel. The account of the Widow's mite shows that people can give what they can give. So, the idea of these million dollar preachers taking advantage to built their palatial mansions in the sky or the Pope sitting on a golden commode while his parishioners struggle to put money in the offering plate is BS. I am very well informed as to what is going on. Just because people say they are Christian, does not mean that they are. History is full of charlatans of this nature. This Christian Right is slapping a Christian label on their disgusting rightwing dogma, but you have to open the container to see what is beyond the label. No mistake about that.....
  
  My world is quite wide and all encompassing......
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  Annkfposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Credence2,
  Yeah, it always goes back to race when it comes to someone disagreeing with you right? I think calling people racist for having an opinion has pretty much burned itself out and just doesn't quite have the effect that it once did.
  What is very interesting though, is it's you who brought "race," into all this.
  Maybe you should check yourself? Just a suggestion from a person who comes from a family that consists of Hispanic and white members. We never even think about "race," being an issue, until some bitter person starts to pull it into a subject where is doesn't apply at all.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  It goes back to "ethnic" when someone disagrees. Man are one race = specie although it is divided into "man" as "mind able to comprehend all things" and "human/woman" meaning mind unable to comprehend all things".
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  Pollyannalanaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  God is a forgiving God. It doesn't matter what Trump used to do or even you, if you (or Trump) has Christ in your life now. You cannot name anything Trump has done you cannot double with the Clinton's. So there you go on that. He has let no American's in Benghazi die or sold 20% of our uranium. Those are very undoable aren't they? Maybe you could name some unforgiveable sins?
  Obama started out saying he was "Christian" which he then turned from if he ever was and became loyal and apparently a party to Islam. He is in no doubt an Islamic Muslim and since we know he was raised that way it should surprise no one. All his decisions and moves while president was as this person while trying to present himself as Christian. So do you believe him? Will you put him down as Christian?
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'm guessing that you either could not actually read what I've written in here - or, your brain is unable to process it. Unfortunately, this is a typical Christian-extremist response - and is yet another reason why this country is the divisive way it is.
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  Pollyannalanaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I am sure that the many Christians who voted for Trump did not necessarily think he was God sent but he was the best we had to choose from and that is still true. We do hope God will use him since the left is certainly anti-Christ, anti-American and totally pursuing the destruction of this country. We hope many of you will see through them but it is not looking too hopeful. (Speaking of brain dead.) You talk like a Pharisee, knowing just enough to make you dangerous.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I resent being called "brain dead" and could report you for that insult if you were worth my time. That was a very non Christian thing to do. One of the usual hypocrites like Jesus had to kick out of the temple.
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  Pollyannalanaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Fine by me, allow God to be our judge, for He certainly will be and I have no fear. (Speaking of brain dead was from a comment made by someone else above, sorry you too it personally.) The bible gives instruction for thinking and not for or by ourselves. It teaches the right spirits to trust and our thinking comes from that and truth taught in the bible. The Holy Spirit visits every man and calls him to salvation. Not one is left out. What God gives is free choice. Between good and evil. Everyone will be accountable for that choice (it is the unforgivable sin. Not choosing Jesus' blood and death for your salvation.) and if you have not guessed from the upheaval in all the world, time is short. Hope to see you on the other side. I really do.
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'll wager you don't even know where the Bible came from, like most self-proclaimed Xtians.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Randy,
  I study all religions and have read every word of the Christian Bible as a study with a friend I have who is a Jehovah's Witness (long story). God goes on for 50 page rants and sounds crazier than a petulant child, mostly about his powers to destroy all of us. I'll stick with being a Pagan. Organized religion has caused more wars and suffering than anything. It was only in the last thousands of years people were not Pagan, and Constantine had to add Pagan customs in when he wanted to get everyone over to Christian beliefs.
  
  I wish everyone well. These forums get everyone too emotionally involved, we waste our time arguing with people who are probably lovely people, we all just have different ideas.
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  Pollyannalanaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You apparently did not read the New Testament. There is no hate or racism there. No Jew nor Gentile. Just love from the Son of God Who gave all for anyone who will accept it. I just cannot imagine why anyone would say no to an eternity of things the human mind just cannot imagine.
  But that is everyone's individual choice.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  1. There is a vast difference between saying no to something and saying no to a promise of something, accompanied with a stiff price tag.
  
  2. No sane person would want to live for eternity; insanity is the inevitable result of unending boredom
  
  3. Why would anyone say "yes" to an undefined and unstated gift of something? Something defined as totally outside human existence, knowledge or imagination?
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I did indeed also read every word of the Torah, it is part of the Bible, although Jesus had a different view of things.
  
  If any person gets past reading the first page of Genesis and takes that for truth, and not a fairy tale, it shows the person has no critical thinking skills at all. I know time can be whatever it has to be to "fulfill" the prophecies. Most of the Bible was written about 100 years after Jesus was crucified. The Men threw away any parts they didn't like (The Gnostic Gospels come to mind). The Bible teaches that women are lessor people than men.
  
  If Adam was so smart, he was older than Eve. Why didn't he tell her eating from the Tree of Knowledge was wrong? He did not act responsibly. Also, if it was just Adam, Eve, Cain, and Able, how did the human race grow? All three men slept with their wife and Mother?
  
  My study was extensive and took two years. I tried to get past all the inconsistencies, but was unable to. But if it works for you, great. I do believe Jesus, the person, existed. But not as a Son of God.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  President Obama was always a Christian. Where do you find these lies? When did he "turn?"The family used to attend a variety of Christian churches while in Washington, but they felt that when they walked in before a service, they were disrupting it.They attended a small chapel at Camp David. I'm so tired of so called Christians filled with hatred against any other religion, or any other type of Christianity too. Jesus would surely weep after reading the crap from a hypocrite like you.
  
  Obama lived mostly in Hawaii, and finally met his relatives from the other side of the family for the first time, when he visited Indonesia as President on a vacation with Michele, Sasha and Malia. Why does he have to prove anything about his faith to you anyway? God said, When thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and pray to your Father, which is in secret." But you know what's in everybody's hearts?
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  Pollyannalanaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You may want to pay better attention. Everyone is not who they claim they are. Actions are louder than words but words can tell who we are. https://youtu.be/v0gZVcaFmBQ
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I went to the link, and just the fact it's called "Obama's War on Christianity" tells me that it's the hoax Bill O'Reilly made up to get ratings. They are so far to the Christian right they want to take America back to Puritan times. It's the only audience Fox has. Doesn't the Bible tell you to think for yourself?
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible does, but the preachers don't like it when they aren't needed to "properly interpret" the words.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  All too true. And the people don't like it when the preachers interpretation doesn't match what they want to do!
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jean Bakula,
  You asked "Why does he have to prove anything about his faith to you anyway?" The end of Article 6.3 of the Constitution say "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" therefore It has nothing to do with it.
  
  You must understand all of today's organized forms of teaching people, religions included, are designed to deceive people and make then succumb to the system in charge. Almost everything done is this nation is done to confuse man is one reason the Bible calls her "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,..".
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible is simply an ancient novel with many acts of plagiarism from other religions. Jesus was based on the Egyptian god Horus who was born of a virgin, was the son of a god, was killed and resurrected after a few days. The Noah's Ark tale was stolen from the Epic of Gilgamesh which predated the Bible by hundreds of years. Why would the Xtian god have to steal material for his book of truths?
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  HI Randy and Nature Boy,
  I was agreeing that it's all nonsense. People twist it to their own needs.
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jean, my reply was to NB. I understood your comments and agree with them as well.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Randy,
  Once one has come to comprehend life they will find many things which seemingly has no actual truth associated with it to be metaphors, allegories, parables and symbol-types I call MAPS, as many scriptures are. Some examples are the following stories and songs that reveals spiritual truths. However, it isn't for everyone to be able to realize them, only about 10% of the earth's population.
  
  Goldilocks and the Three Bears
  The Three Little Pigs
  Someday We'll Be Together
  The Thrill Is Gone
  Jack and Jill Went Up the Hill
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah right, if you're an example of an enlightened Xtian then I wish to stay far, far, away from such a book of myths. And yes, I've read the old novel.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  This is not your time to become enlightened so "Be At Peace" with where you are, I am concerning both you and me.
  
  Peace
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Nature Boy, you are pretty much someone who gives enlightened people a bad name, LoL! Your current spiritual beliefs are antiquated and in serious need of an update. I've told you that before. And since you've got spirituality screwed up, you've got the bible and the constitution screwed up, as well. Its funny how twisted & interconnected those three things can get in people's minds, ha!
  
  This person will update you about what is going on with karma now (after you get through the LoA stuff). Its a good place for you to start, since you obviously can't make it through my 1st spotlight hub:
  https://youtu.be/V6xCjY39_t0
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know when or where my "enlightened state will come, NB. It's people like you, who pretend to know the unknown, giving Xtians a bad name. Who are you to tell me it "isn't my time" to be enlightened? Seriously, who gave you your "gift of knowing"?
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  MC,
  As I look over your opening writings what I find is ...
  
  God appointed Saul because of the hardening of the heart of the people who wanted a man to represent god to them. All U.S. presidents, as you gave scripture to show are for reversing from man's rule back to god direct rule over "spiritual" Israel. Saul represented turning from what the Constitution (Revelation 12's Rod of Iron for the man-child to rule by) intended this nation to be since Christianity is built on the foundation of the Catholic Church's "White Supremacy" mentality [see https://hubpages.com/education/What-Is- … ristianity and https://hubpages.com/religion-philosoph … e-Of-Jesus back to back] to have a "woman of color" (all civilized humans beings are) among the "colorless woman" rulers of the nation can not be tolerated. Saul was of either Joseph or Benjamin of the "fair" sons of Jacob.
  
  Accordingly, The Man-Child who is to rule represents David of the tribe of Judah (of the 10 sons of color by Jacob and prophet like unto Moses) as all prophecy foretells the Christ to be. Thus, the "fair" Catholic Church's Christianity could not have a man of color ruling before the "Man-Child" takes the reigns and bring world peace. That is why Trump is "blonde haired and blue eyed", he is the fulfillment of Catholicism's "White Supremacy" as, if my understanding is correct, there were never one before him. And all of that is the doings of what we call God (Isaiah 45:7) reversing what woman have done through all the years of civilization with is about to end.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, civilization isn't about to end - not because of Trump, global warning or anyone/anything else. I've advised you to update your spiritual beliefs before, Nature Boy. Your perspective is as bad as any Christian militant: spreading fear & dogma. Its really uncool, especially for someone who considers themselves to be 'enlightened'. You're still in the dark ages.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  MC.
  Civilization is about to end because it's time has come just like the sunset of a day ends the mornings. So it is with civilization - there are 2, this material one a n a spiritual one Revelation proclaims - this one just end as prophesied, is followed by 7000 years of repopulating of earth, the evening/spiritual civilization comes and goes before the Genesis transition to the "Garden East In Eden's" story manifests. Genesis 1:14 tells us that.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. You're just another clogged cog in the machine, NB.
  
  Here is a good video of Earth's BRIGHT future by Abraham & Esther:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fPXiOVFW84
  
  And just for fun, this one is about the 2016 potus election on Trump & Hillary. Can you believe that the 'Source of All' loves BOTH The Donald AND Hillary? EQUALLY. Who coulda guessed THAT?! LoL! (Abraham is a 'soul collective of infinite intelligence' or 'another PART of Source, as we all are.)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp3z5yUbiCw
  
  Here is one more video on WHY Source/God loves BOTH 'good' & 'bad' people, equally AND unconditionally. Start from around 5:12 to the end. This message is a little hard for us humans to swallow, at times - but dang its good! Most people are completely clueless as to how incredibly important our EMOTIONS (and imaginations) actually are.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIshpwDlrmI
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  We will have to agree to disagree because that is just the kind of information which the New World Order want us to believe, it will keep us sleep walking "Dreaming the American Dream" of material wealth which is valueless. You noticed the speaking girl didn't give one time to complete their questions. That's a well developed trick to deny alternative views to one's own version of their truth. That is called "Fast Talking". I do not look at things in the "right/wrong, good/evil" views but in the 360 degree whole view.
  
  I agree the earth's wellbeing abounds but not by following such misinformation. The earth is designed to exist forever but, like a day, it is divided into 2 major times with 2 short transitions from one to the other. Using the day as the pattern we find mornings at a particular location begins with the influx of light spreading on the eastern sides of everything, it reaches as an apex shinning down from directly above and began to shine back toward the east while it descend toward the western horizon. Then it began to disappear behind the horizon replacing the light rays with dark rays until there is a balance between dark and light then continue on to darkness. The Dark will remain over the earth for, on a year's average, as long as the light was on that location before the darkness find itself facing light rays pushing it away. That process continue through the balance until the light rays began to touch the earth again.
  
  There is the material time of earth and another spiritual one. Then the Genesis 1 concept of creation is the transition followed by the garden in Eden story as the beginning of sunrise which is completed with the Great Flood beginning at Genesis 6. In many prophecies of the entire Bible are entire prophecies which Revelation has grouped into a single revealing of the events to happen in ending this material civilization to be replaced by Revelation 21's glimpse into the spiritual civilization. Many of the Hubs I have written reveals it but I am beginning another to show it directly.
  
  So, yes Misfit, we can agree to disagree even though I'm saying basically what the girl is saying except as seen in everyday life and without the "judgmental adjectives" she use to describe things.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You're as full of crap as any Christian extremist or militant - which is what this question is about and who the question is directed toward. You don't really fit into this question. Its really too bad that I can't delete your crap - cuz its so distorted (admittedly, with 'some' Christian bible distortions mixed in). I'll go ahead and guess that you haven't read my 1st spotlight hub; nor watched any other video that I have left for you - other than to watch the 1st one I listed in here long enough to pick something out of it that you could find 'wrong' (again, BS). Did you watch the one I left you about karma? Unlikely.
  
  The truth is... there are FAR too many conspiracy theorists out there; and Christian extremists (that doesn't mean all Christians) are at the top of the list. They're clueless about their place in the world, or anyone else's - and yet, they 'teach' their erroneous BS over & over again to their kids, generation after generation, perpetuating their harmful crap onto them - and then wonder why nothing ever changes.
  
  Really. When Christians discover why their own people are the cause of most abortions; they will also discover why their leaders are often at the top of pedophile lists and are often guilty of generally-abusive behavior. It has everything to do with not realizing what the actual affects of beLIEving in pagan manipulation are.
  
  Why don't you find another question to enlighten people on, NB - and we'll get back to the actual topic: WHY DO many Christians believe God called Trump and not Obama?
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There's a saying down here in the very buckle of the Bible Belt. If something is very durable or unyielding, it is said to be "harder than a minister's d**k. "Many years ago I knew some girls who were the granddaughters of a local Holiness preacher. He would shout and praise god on Sunday and molest his 3 granddaughters whenever he so pleased. I've never met an honest preacher when it came to his own sins.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It appears that there is some self satisfaction involved in being as coarse as possible when downing a religious person. I heard something today I found quite profound. 'Any time you point the finger at someone, remember; three fingers are pointing back at you.'
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That old trite saying is just as true as it's ever been. Someone pointing at a guilty party is not necessarily guilty of the same nefarious action or one as serious as the pointee committed. Otherwise, Xtians would no longer exist as I cannot imagine a non-judgemental member of the cult.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Oddly, I think it is a christian belief that all are guilty of something so I doubt you'd have a christian disagree that they are judging. Themselves, as well as others. I do believe the fact that you judge the thought 'trite' is quite telling; but, not in a good way.
  
  Don't get me wrong here. I have my own accusations against Christianity. But, I'm not going to accuse them of being different from other human beings. It's kind of like the guy in the small town making sure to publicly point out the other guy is snorting cocaine, in secret. Or the woman going on about the alcohol use of another woman. Usually, they are jut attempting to ensure the conversation on that particular problem people have does't include them. As bad as preachers can be they are simply another human with a soap box, doing the same thing we encounter when we look around to judge. We simply notice their words more because they have a bigger soap box.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Any time you point the finger at someone, remember; three fingers are pointing back at you." I'm pretty sure that victims of Catholic Priest molestations are not guilty of this. The reason why so many Christian leaders engage in uber-wicked 'sins' is because most of them KNOW that the pagan-salvation message within the bible is BS; and that it is ONLY meant to keep congregational sheep under control and in mental bondage.
  
  Sin mentality is a pagan concept that is PROMOTED within churches as it is being preached against -
  guilt is a crippling negative emotion. Christians are taught that every time they sin, they nail Christ to the cross all over again - little white lie or big hairy sins, alike - so WHY NOT go for the big ones?!! After all, forgiveness is only a prayer to Jesus away (if they even care about that).
  
  One more time... It is complacent 'Christians' like you who say NOTHING about the extremists among you; and let them run the conversations about Christian issues into the ground who are as guilty as any Christian extremist. For instance, things like abortion continues to be high among Christians BECAUSE you don't seem to understand what is going on within churches regarding this issue (as most Christian adults don't; and they don't seem to care about educating educate themselves) and say nothing. (Here is my post on Christians & abortions again - I know it has been a difficult thing for you to want to read. http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2016/02 … tions.html)
  
  THEY are misinformed, confused, often running scared, and spewing havok wherever they go - and you say nothing to correct their perceptions about Christianity; but let them continue to harm this country - cuz you consider them to be harmless, I guess.
  
  WAKE UP, Christians!!
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Misfit Chick, you are so ill informed that it would be an exercise in futility to attempt a conversation with you on this topic. I will say that your complaints mirror the complaints we perceive as coming from Christians. Broad generalizations attacking large groups without the benefit of knowing individual thought within that group. The rest of the juvenile diatribe pretty much clinches this observation.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Broad generalizations attacking large groups without the benefit of knowing individual thought within that group."
  
  I probably have not made this point clear enough (although I do mention it at the end of the question)... I am WELL VERSED in the thought processes within extreme conservative Christian homes. I know why they think the way they do; and I know which verses they use to back up their beLIEfs. I used to be one; and you obviously did NOT grow up in that kind of home. Lucky you. I certainly won't hold it against you.
  
  However, you really do not read, do you? I am specifically differentiating between 'extremist' Christians and every other kind of Christian (which are many).
  
  Your ignorance as a woman about what goes on in churches is astounding - as it is with so many other complacent Christian men & women who just continue to glide through life, ignoring the obvious.
  
  Its okay, don't read. Stay ignorant. I don't have one problem with that. But, I will continue to bat you back if you continue to INSIST that the points I am trying to get across are wrong, when they are NOT.
  
  You really need to ask yourself if your input in here has been helpful; or are you just continuing to say the opposite of everything I have to say because you can't stand me? I mean, really... are you one of the people who thought Obama was the antichrist, or something - because you have so much to say against this issue?
  
  It seems to me that you should probably care more. I'd guess that you're not really a Christian; and probably don't really have a reason to be involved with this question. You're acting like a troll.
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Believe me LTL, I 've more than given preachers the benefit of the doubt during my 67 years of life. Most of them were born into the faith as were the majority of their followers. And, as their followers, also don't have a clue where the Bible came from or who actually wrote the books, or also there were many books not included in the novel. Mere men made the choices according to THEIR beliefs.
  
  Preachers like adoration and enjoy hearing their voices, and as you pointed out earlier, are even less humble, and for the most part, less honest than those they preach to. There are other crude sayings about preachers which have a lot of truth in them. Of course, this knowledge was hard won. Now, about preacher's daughters......
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Mere men made the choices according to THEIR beliefs."
  
  Absolutely. The pagan founders of Christianity no-doubt had a difficult time believing in Christ's original message, themselves - BUT, they probably found it pretty easy to simply update their old beliefs. This is all detailed in my 1st spotlight article; and I even go into WHY God allowed two very different versions of Christianity to exist: (in a nutshell) because pagans NEEDED a bridge between the two extreme beliefs sets.
  
  "Now, about preacher's daughters......"
  
  Thank you, Randy - for pointing out what everybody already knows, LoL! WHY are preacher's daughters so prone to being 'loose' with reputations of being 'easy'.
  
  That is a big part of my issues with Christians and abortions. When those issues are realized, acknowledged and dealt with - is when abortions will start to diminish.
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes MC, many Xtians never wonder why Xmas was celebrated in December rather than in the spring. The pagans had long celebrated this date and the church wanted the pagans to accept the "new" religion.
  
  From my not-so-limited experience with preacher's daughters, they especially see through their father's false veneer. The sons as well, for that matter.......
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You don't have to tell me about preachers. I ran a restaurant up until a few weeks ago. Several came in on a daily basis. I got a crash course on the crazy notions in modern day Christianity. But, again, people are people.
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes indeed, people are simply people, but most of them don't try to pressure others into believing what they do. What if a preacher is telling his flock to worship the wrong god? His bad?
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well I can agree that not everyone is attempting to goad people into believing what they do but I will say my experience is that everyone is attempting to goad people into believing something. You just aren't buying what that particular person is selling.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "people are people..."
  
  What is your point, LtL? ISIS is composed of people. Nazi Germany was composed of people. Pedophiles are people, blah, blah, blah.
  
  That's no excuse. Again, continuing to be so complacent changes nothing; and certainly doesn't help young women & men growing up in churches and/or a Christian society.
  
  What is your problem with pinpointing the reasons for abortions within Christian churches; and addressing the issue? I can think of a few reasons, I suppose. What are your's? Because if you are someone who is really pro-choice, then you should be all for that. Why aren't you?
  
  I know, I know... people are people. Surely you can come up with something more substantial than that. Why do you even care about being pro-choice, otherwise? Do you really not care WHY these girls are having abortions?!! I'm sorry, I don't believe that's possible (I still think you're just being a troll in here cuz you've decided you don't like me for whatever reason); but it COULD also be because there is something wrong with your mind and you have a hard time understanding the words (and links) I've been spelling out here. Dang, if you actually cared - you could probably, actually make a difference somewhere, somehow, someway.
  
  This question [about abortion] is being addressed in reference to the 'Christian extremists' portion of society, out there - the ones who do things like burn Obama in effigy because he's 'the antichrist'; and support someone like Trump because they believe 'God called him'... Abortion is another issue they have a hard time seeing in any other way than through politically/religiously-manipulated & polarized glasses. It belongs in here.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I think I'm missing something here - it sounds like you are putting the blame on far right Christians for the high number of abortions in this country. Can you expand on this some - just what is being done by that group that is causing either grown women or young girls to get abortions? I understand they are fighting tooth and toenail to make abortions difficult to impossible to get, but fail to see how that causes abortions - what else are the doing that is causing abortion rates to rise?
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You've asked this question before - here is the main link again; and there are a couple other links within this that will give you even more info:
  
  Why Do Christian Girls Have Abortions; and Why Are Christian Adults Out of Touch?
  http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2016/02 … tions.html
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, those were and are people. I'm not certain I follow the point here. Are you likening Christians to Nazis, Isis and pedophiles?
  
  Accepting freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and personal liberty as values is not tantamount to making excuses or being complacent. If we want to play the blame game on the woes of American society I would not look at religion first. I just don't think the facts would support that stand.
  
  The issue of abortion? I thought the thread was on some believing God called Trump? I will say that I don't believe abortion is caused by Christian churches. I will say I know of no one who has quoted church membership as a reason for visiting an abortion clinic. If any blame were to be laid at the feet of the church it would be for not welcoming young women in trouble with open arms, open heart and financial help. But, are they any different from the rest of society? What is anyone doing for the women who either have or don't have abortions? Do we give them a helping hand or simply a free pass (which is of no value when either raising a child, or not). Why would I blame Christians for having an opinion which differs from my own when the bottom line is the result of their opinion is little different?
  
  I will repeat, again, I have no evidence that Christianity is somehow behind girls having abortions. I have stated, in multiple places, what I consider to be the driving force behind unwanted pregnancies. But, thank you for creating a false belief that my dislike of you is driving my opinion, that 'something is wrong with my mind' and whatever else you accused me of. This behavior is the exact reason why constructive conversations are difficult. Those who have nothing but negativity and disdain for anyone else's opinion, those who refuse to allow for the option of differing opinions are on both sides. And those of us who attempt to find the valid reasons for people to hold differing beliefs are destined to listen to trite and childish complaints.
  
  But, please do share concrete evidence of what you are actually doing to make a difference somewhere, somehow, someway. And, trust me, online rants don't count.
  
  If you could please cite concrete evidence between burning Obama in effigy abd believing Trump is called by God is directly related to any specific abortions we might be able to have a real conversation. In the absence of that (and yes there is an absence of proof) I am left to assume that many who are led by reasons other than the religion they are railing against are having a hard time seeing in any other way because of their polarized glasses. I will not venture a guess as to what is manipulating those people to see through those glasses because, again, I believe in people's right to hold their own opinions; no matter how short sighted and ill informed they may appear, to me, to be.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Accepting freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and personal liberty as values is not tantamount to making excuses or being complacent."
  
  This does seem to be a much bigger problem lately than I had suspected. Freedom of speech, particularly, is being limited (or at least it should be limited) to what the writer thinks is correct. Personal liberty the same, and even freedom of religion (particularly Islam) isn't far behind.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Are you likening Christians to Nazis, Isis and pedophiles?"
  
  As with most of your response, playing stupid is so uncool... You know damn well that I was 'likening' your complacent excuse that 'people are people' to the fact that people aren't always 'good'; nor should they be free to engage in any kind of activity they want to.
  
  "I don't believe abortion is caused by Christian churches"
  
  I have never said abortions were CAUSED by them. Try READING!!!
  Why Do Christian Girls Have Abortions; and Why Are Christian Adults Out of Touch?
  http://misfitchick.blogspot.com/2016/02 … tions.html
  
  "nothing but negativity and disdain for anyone else's opinion"
  
  Nope, just for people who refuse to listen or apply common sense to a subject.
  
  "If you could please cite concrete evidence between burning Obama in effigy abd believing Trump is called by God is directly related to any specific abortions we might be able to have a real conversation"
  
  More playing dumb... You know damn well that is NOT what I am trying to say.
  
  "I believe in people's right to hold their own opinions; no matter how short sighted and ill informed they may appear, to me, to be."
  
  Ridiculous. When people find a 'better way' or find a solution to a problem - we try to inform the world and attempt to bring change. Christians realizing why their daughters are so prone to choosing abortion would be a freaking MIRACLE. You choosing to 'leave them to their opinions' instead of helping to shine a light on the portion of their beliefs that has caused this imbalance among them - contributes as much as anything to the continuing fight instead of resolving it.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds wonderful but you haven't presented anything which would imply you have found a 'better way' or found a solution. When you do present such, you'll have my attention.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I consider you to be nothing but a troll in here - so I am going to stop responding to you. However, I will reiterate the point that realization is the first step. When you think you know everything; refuse to listen to someone who 'gets it' & has tried explaining it to you several different ways; and you continue to see nothing wrong - WHY would you do anything about it?
  
  We're still on the first step - next comes analysis and figuring out potential solutions. If we ever get past this 'realizing' step, you'll know. Perhaps then you will understand and get involved.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wow. I could have said exactly the same thing and thought I was making a valid point also.
  
  But, you're right. There is nothing to be gained by conversing with each other. You don't appear to listen and you think I don't either.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  One last time... It doesn't seem like you have read the link I keep leaving for you. If you had, it just seems to me that you would actually understand what I have been saying regarding abortion.
  
  I've already told you that I was raised in a very conservative Christian home; and I KNOW what they are thinking about political things based within their dogmatic version of Christianity. You keep ignoring that FACT for some strange reason...
  
  I've been a young girl growing up in it; I've been on the journey with my young Christian girlfriends; I've been in a 'complacent Christian phase' during my young adult years - as you seem to be in, now - not caring, and in my own little world; and I've gone beyond it to REALIZE things that you just can't (or don't want) to grasp.
  
  I've listened - its one of the ways I came to these conclusions. I've actually GONE THROUGH the choice of abortion with some of my Christian girlfriends (though I have never had one, myself). Frankly, I take this topic on for my Christian girlfriends who really needed other Christians to be able to understand at the time they were making this decision - instead of be judged.
  
  If every one of them would have had that, I have no doubt that NONE of them would have chosen to have an abortion, in the end. Their kids would be grown and possibly married with kids by now; and its a shame that they are not here. Instead, my friends often fall into a depressed funk when the anniversary of their due dates come around.
  
  I really don't know what your problem is; and I don't care. This IS a very important thing that needs to be realized among Christians; and I will continue to shout it out LOUD at every opportunity. If it makes you feel better to insist that I don't listen, so be it. That is a classic comeback for 'losers': say it over & over again and insist it is true. That doesn't make it so.
  
  If you are a Trump fan - you've got that trick of his down pat, LoL!
  
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And, one last time, this thread was not about abortion. But, linking me to your blog is not going to make me visit your blog. I'm looking at what you are saying here. If you cannot present a valid argument here, then we are at an impasse.
  
  I was raised by a conservative christian mother and a father who supported the church, unfailingly. Now, it wasn't a backward, uneducated congregation. If that is your back ground then I wouldn't know. But, I know what they think about political things based on their ideas on Christianity. If I have 'ignored' you on comments you make it is because your opinion of your upbringing has no real bearing on much of anything; other than your upbringing.
  
  Again, I was raised in a Christian environment. I suppose i had a journey with young Christian girlfriends also; although I wouldn't have referred to it as a journey. It's just life. Now, I don't consider myself to be 'complacent'. I see it as accepting. I doubt you can bully your way into making me think bullying and badgering those who disagree with me is a better alternative.
  
  Oh, gee. Do you think you are different from any other woman in America? I've been asked to take people to the abortion clinic. I've helped them when no one else would. Like you, I've never had to make that choice so unlike you I don't assume I know anything about the gut wrenching agony one must go through to choose. I will say that in my experience most woman who make that choice appear to judge themselves much more harshly than anyone else can. Which is why I am a firm advocate of pro choice and working toward creating an environment where that choice does not need to be made.
  
  Maybe they would have and maybe they wouldn't have. Even in a world where we attempt to create the perfect environment there will still be woman who choose abortion. But, I'd be curious how you think things end? A young and uneducated woman, finding herself pregnant, will have little problem finding a place to live where people don't look down on her an her child. Finding a decent home, a decent income, safe child care and support in raising that child are another thing entirely. Mature women will review these when determining whether they are in a position to bring a child into the world, or not. Religion will play a very minor role. And, young Christian girls are not the only people who grow up to regret the decision of abortion. I know atheists and agnostics who pensively ponder what could have been.
  
  Considering the fact that you repeat yourself over and over and over again, we may be looking at a pot kettle thing here. Or a pot thing. If you are the pot.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "If you cannot present a valid argument here, then we are at an impasse."
  
  I'm pretty sure that is what I ended up doing in that last post - outlining it better for you 'in here'; so you didn't have to actually go to my blog and become suddenly informed.
  
  "If I have 'ignored' you on comments you make it is because your opinion of your upbringing has no real bearing on much of anything; other than your upbringing."
  
  It has everything to do with it. If I were raised a Jew or an Atheist - my view wouldn't apply.
  
  "I wouldn't have referred to it as a journey. It's just life."
  
  Aren't you being overly-picky here? Is life not often referred to as 'a journey'? Congrats on finding just a little more to disagree with.
  
  "I don't consider myself to be 'complacent'. I see it as accepting. I doubt you can bully your way into making me think bullying and badgering those who disagree with me is a better alternative."
  
  Well, again... you probably would not see what I've been saying as 'bullying' if you had actually looked at the link. But the fact that you choose to label me as being bullying despite my explanations - says a whole lot about you.
  
  And you're right, complacent is probably the wrong word for you... That would apply if you realized what was going on; and then STILL turned a blind eye. You really do fall into more of an 'ignorant & don't want to be informed' category. Not sure if there is just one word for that.
  
  "Which is why I am a firm advocate of pro choice and working toward creating an environment where that choice does not need to be made."
  
  CONGRATULATIONS, so am I!!! (Something I have pointed out before that we probably have in common - and again, something you would have known, IF...)
  
  I have also addressed your distress about us discussing the issue of abortion in here. If you hadn't been so anti-information; this part of the conversation could have been over long ago.
  
  Like I've said, trolling - with no other reason that I can see, other than to satisfy a pathetic need to win a war of words with me. LoL!
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Misfit, I am not in the least bit interested in 'winning a war of words'. What I would like is for you to stop putting words in other people's mouths (mine, in particular) and finding bones of contention that didn't initially exist.
  
  My initial comment about the actual topic of the thread did not seem to please you. But, my initial point there is my point on the abortion issue.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You're quite the drama queen, aren't you? I'm pretty sure that I didn't put any words into your mouth. If I did anything 'wrong', I included helpful links (and a few helpful images, early on) - for you to be able to grasp the perspective I was trying to get across. Its not my problem that you were offended by those instead of just taking them at face value; and learning from them.
  
  You obviously had me judged before we got into this conversation. Again, I don't know why you even bother to respond to my questions or discussions, anymore. You never have one good thing to say, despite the fact that we seem to agree on most things - and did moreso before Trump came along.
  
  Yup, that man is really hard to love, LoL!
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Live to Learn, That is quite an old statement and has the same meaning as "Judge not that you be not judged, for by the standard you judge you will be judged" [paraphrased]. What I've found that to mean is: via reincarnation everyone HAS DONE or WILL DO everything any other man of either gender does.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Randy, I was a preacher before becoming a philosophy [lover of wisdom] and sat in the pastor's study with them listening to them talk about all of the non-Christian things they do and believed in which is a part of what made me leave the church nofollow the teachings of the one called Christ. Now that I don't see good and evil I understand that is all a part of what bring about the termination of civilization.
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  NB, one doesn't have to be a believer in some god to understand wrong and right. The 10 Commandments were around for tens of thousands of years before the Bible claimed them. In fact, 5 commandments pretty much covers everything needed for ancient people to live together. Basic tribal rules..
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Now that I don't see good and evil I understand that is all a part of what bring about the termination of civilization."
  
  You're right, there is no 'good' or 'evil' - BUT, civilization is not being terminated; and I am going to ask you nicely to stop commenting on this discussion. You're WAY off topic; and not even SORT of correct on more than one thing. Your concepts of reincarnation & karma are BOTH WRONG - and seriously so.
  
  However, as redundant as this is becoming... I will invite you one last time to read my 1st spotlight article to help you get reality into perspective. Aside from that, please go away, NB.
  
  PS. I'm not just talking off the top of my head... I understand why 'not being able to see good and evil' can seem like a perfect reason for the world to end (if you're not 'awakened' you won't understand - don't worry about it). BUT, you are just one person - one of MANY of us. You do not hold this world in its orbit on your own; nor did you create it on your own - and you won't destroy it on your own. You need help; and you don't have enough of it. Most of the world's collective consciousness is diverted a kazzillion different ways. It is why the story of the Tower of Babel was important: because 'God' could not allow us human beings to ALL start focusing on the same thing - because we are just like him: Creators. We would be truly dangerous and could possibly cause serious damage to the Universe if we were ever able to do that. This world is about learning to create - every country, every city, every neighborhood, every town, every family, every race, every culture throughout thousands upon thousands of years of history, both recorded and unrecorded... FAR TOO MANY diversions for your end-of-the-world scenario to exist. This planet is far older than anyone knows; and life has NEVER been completely extinguished from it. (Plus, animal consciouness - which is far more consistent & 'connected' than humans are - COUNTS toward the health of the world, LoL!)
  
  And, whenever our civilization finally ends (not anytime soon cuz our cycle just passed (its part of why our weather is wonky, so we are here for another one, yippee!) - if you are not vibrating at the frequency of destruction when it comes - it can't touch you. (Destruction is not a bad thing - it is a creative force as important as 'creating' is, itself.) You are welcome to write me an email if you want to keep talking about this - but please stop in here. Thanks.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'll say this and leave it to you, Misfit Chick.
  
  Thank you for showing me just how "your way and beliefs are the only correct ones." May your self-righteousness prove itself to you in due time.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, that isn't true. Here's another splash from my 1st spotlight hub:
  
  "If the Source of All is as expansive and inclusive as we have been led to believe, it makes sense that there is so much diversity of lifeforms and beliefs JUST within our one little planet - and who knows what else is going on in the Universe? I mean, really... you can use logic to explain just about every wonky perspective we humans have ever come up with. As Star Trek's Captain Janeway once told her emotion-rejecting Vulcan 1st Officer, Tuvok... "Thats its power AND its flaw." "
  
  The reason I want you out of here is because you have a dark & dire mentality similar to many Christian exremists and conspiracy theorists - and you obviously enjoy bringing them into discussions like this. If it is any consolation, there are a couple of you in HP who have that mentality; and I shoo them away, too. The reason is because *I* believe in the Universal Law of Attraction - and when you insist that the world is doomed to end soon, that doesn't do much toward healing our country or our world, no matter how much time we have left.
  
  If you were accurate about those things, it would be different. I know why you believe the way you do because you HAVE to go through all kinds of complusory spiritual ideals to get to the nitty gritty. Its just too bad that you have chosen to believe that you've already got everything figured out; and don't need any further updates.
  
  To each their own, just stop harming other people over your mangled beliefs. Its the same message I have for Christian extremists & militants.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Few people understand "world" is what man has built upon earth, it is not the same as earth. I posted https://hubpages.com/religion-philosoph … es-Message yesterday, check it out and see how you are so mistaken in your view of me.
  
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I have watched that and many other of her videos, they sound to me like you say mine sounds to you, someone looking for self exaltation by controlling the thinking process of others. Many of her statements are on the edge of comprehension but relates only to the material aspect of the subject mater. And I also watch all three of those in your last post seeing the stated results in them all.
  
  Just because I am living the life the person called Christ suggested doesn't make me Christian alone, it makes me a seeker of the understanding of the purpose for existence who has found the general purpose for it. I understand the system of ecology, the system of economics, most religions' messages and nine other sources of Zeroversal inquiry. Most scriptures I've read reveals a cycle to existence much like seasons, days and years, and by basing understanding that Zeroverse's [commonly called universe] cycle of self-maintaining I am able to see those principle existing in everything within it. It is that perspective I'm sharing. You present your inquiry and I present my observations and you and many others may not agree, is expected, but some who are nearing THE understanding of existence's purpose may be therefore I am of the mind to agree to disagree.
  
  Is it a 'conspiracy theory" to say every morning [time of light] will end with a sunset, a transition period, an evening [time preceding light], another transition and the Morning will return again? That is the same as what I am foretelling only man are being used to bring about the sunset of this civilization before a transition brings us into another. So, if the cycle of a civilization is a conspiracy theory then is the termination of every morning to be followed by evening is also.
  
  The answer to the question you asked is the fact that Christianity is a "White Supremest" religion, as I stated in my opening post, and will not believe a "White God" would allow a "Black" man to rule this "White Supremest" minded nation. I also stated there that David and his descents are not of fair skinned people but of color which means the last leader over this nation will be a man of color and not white - but not in those words but implied.
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  Tamarah Cargileposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  As a Christian, I believe that every person of authority was allowed to be in that position by God. Wether that person is seemingly worthy of such an elevated position or not, God allowed the appointment to achieve His purpose. As you quoted from Romans 13:1 "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God."
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  Annkfposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  True! The entire bible backs that up.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  However, it is only for the "chosen few" or "little flock" who will surrender to the direct authority of what we call god. That is also backed up by theBible and other religion's scriptures.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Here is the original question again; and I really would like to know the answer. I don't think it is such an unreasonable thing for someone like me to be asking, right now. Why was *my* potus, Obama, portrayed as the antichrist; while our current rude potus that you voted in is 'called by God'?
  
  Its a good question that deserves a believable response.
  
  I still have a pdf that I saved from 2008 written by one of these kinds of 'Christians'... It is titled, 'Why 2008 is the Year of the Apocolypse'. It is over a dozen pages of 'prophecy' detailing how Obama was the antichrist who was going to be bringing the end of the world... I actually have Christian family members who were AFRAID of Obama because he was supposedly the antichrist; and last I looked, some of the conspiracy websites about it were still running. (This pope is also supposed to be 'the last pope' - we'll see how well that 'word from God' plays out).
  
  I'm listening... Please explain it to me.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Christian religion is a "White Supremacist" religion and the mentality in this nation's usually unknown/unseen governors are White Supremacist who have subliminally implanted it into most European descent Christians. So, because Obama was a president not appearing white - Christians believe "white symbolizes good and right" - he could only be the the opposite of anything they subconsciously believes to be holy.
  
  Basically what I said in my first post.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, but I am looking for an answer from the people who made the original accusation. I'm pretty sure you weren't one of them. I'm reading your hub from yesterday.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I am not one of them either. But, it has been laid on my heart to share this link with you. May it be helpful to you in your quest for truth. In Jesus name!
  
  Jonathan Cahn - The Paradigm - Blueprint of the Past, Present & Future
  * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wz-uR5GyWk
  
  I would suggest getting the book The Paradigm (and the Harbingers).
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I am listening to it now, so far it is saying basically what "The Bible's Message" is saying although Jonathan Cahn is giving more individual stories and relating them to this natiion more than than my post does. I am giving the relation that everything in existence follows the Bible's general "Paradigm". I believe I'm supposed to get the book but I'll wait until spirit it confirms it.
  
  Thanks for posting it to me.
  
  Few people know it but I am the cause of the attempted impeachment, a news reporter came to me and asked me about what should be done about the Lewinsky scandal. My replied "the only thing you can get him for is 'perjury' in saying he did not have sex with Monica" but they refused to impeach him on that and was unable to find any other making him to be Nostradamus' "adulator who will be found out who comes to ruin." In this presentation he talks about the prophet Elijah of that day and here I am here during this day, no coincident!
  
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Its almost two hours long, LoL! I'll watch it, but it will take me a few days - at least through the weekend. I'm not sure exactly when I'll be able to get to it.
  
  However, I'll tell you that I have read all kinds of this stuff... alternative theories and conspiracy theories galore. I'm not sure that another one is going to alter my spotlight hub, much (which has its own theories about this stuff - The Donald is in there, too).
  
  I will also add that what MAY have been true in our recent past is not necessarily true any longer. Most people don't realize that our Earth has already shifted into a new 'paradign' - its part of the reason why our weather is wonky.
  
  We'll see. Thanks for the heartfelt share.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Please, what is the name of your "spotlight Hub" so I know which one to read.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The 1st one.
  
  Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I've started this video, and I obviously have a ways to go, yet... But starting out with him talking about 'attacks' happening on the day his books are published doesn't mean anything to us; although it is a huge indicator for him regarding 'where he stands' within his dream. Emotions are indicators for our physical body on how our beliefs compare with God's... and emotions affect our lives in dynamic ways - including bringing on physical illnesses (most of the time, to keep us sane during these times as kind of a diversion so we don't become spiritually overwhelmed).
  
  I would guess that he is on his soul's path - but his physical body isn't entirely caught up to where it needs to be in the spiritual sense. Publishing a book is a big deal for any author; and publishing a controversial one is even more of a big deal - so, his body is reacting. Its similar to the way some people can't watch a Hallmark commercial without involuntarily tearing up - a physical reaction to something you want to be 'more up to par' with. Except, of course, his reactions are much stronger.
  
  I doubt that I will disagree with everything he says; because it is very unusual for me not to receive something from a spiritual teacher - whether I agree with their generic view of things, or not. Spirit is pretty cool that way. But, I've seen his stuff about CERN and I've heard some of this stuff preached from pulpits... He seems like any other 'prophet' who is so sure that he has THE message; while there are so many other people who are so sure that THEY have 'the message'.
  
  There is a reason why God created the situation for the Tower of Babel: to help us realize what powerful creators we actually are; and then to divide us to create diversity so that we don't become a danger to the Universe. United we are powerful; and spiritually-free to create any dang thing we want. The reason why that is, is because we are also mini-powerhouses, within ourselves. But as you know, 'where two or more are gathered'... the spiritual energy becomes stronger and more intense.
  
  Basically, what that probably means for Mr. Cahn... is that his physical body is not ready to deal with the increased spiritual energy that naturally will start to increase momentum around him when his book gets published - momentum that HE already had started; and expands with every person who 'gets to know' his work.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Mr. Cahn probably needs to 'raise his vibration' or get happy & comfortable with people pushing against his work (and maybe even accepting it - being both bashed & praised for the same thing can become emotionally overwhelming).
  
  I'm sure that he views himself as having a level head surrounding criticisms; but 'knowing' in your head and your soul are two entirely different things. (Although he may be also tripping over his own 'worthiness' - it really is one of humanity's biggest stumbling blocks because so many people beLIEve they 'are not worthy' - for so many different reasons, not necessarily only religious ones).
  
  Its like he's not quite finished 'realizing' himself, yet. That information needs to go from 'just his head' into his entire being - which isn't always an easy thing for us humans in these physical bodies to 'make real', no matter what the topic is about or how small or huge it seems to be. We often have to wait until our physical body dies to fully-realize stuff - BUT, it is also possible to make realizations in this physical existence. That was the original purpose of Jesus: to help us 'realize'...
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Trump is a perfect example of arrested development. "Curing" arrested development involves the subject becoming a child to a mother figure and progressing through the stages of emotional development that he failed to navigate during normal childhood development.
  
  Do you see that happening? LOL
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  God uses all kinds of people & situations to create change. However, I hear ya... I would much rather have 'learned my lessons' - whatever they all are - in a much more fun way with much more fun people, LoL! You know what I mean, I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about the people who have made - and are making - the new Trumponia (and Obamaphobia before that) extra-unfun.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You should listen to the whole thing, he is describing political events beginning with Hillary Clinton all the way to what I believe him to be saying the events of the prophet Elijah's work, he doesn't go into detail about the last chapter about Elijah but I believe he is referring to Malachi 4:5-6 since these are the last days of this world.
  
  I am going to copy your hub and read it as I don't have internet at home so to read it in the library would not allow me to do much of anything else, then I'll respond to it there.
  
  Peace
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "since these are the last days of this world"
  
  *sigh* These have been the "last days" for two thousand years. All the phrase means any more is that the world will end sometime in the next 10 million years or so.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You are so correct, Wilderness. The first christ's appearance marked the beginning of the last days and the second christ's (Malachi 3:1) who is to "suddenly appears in his tempe [The White House to rule the world by the U.S. Constitution called "rod of Iron" in Rev. 12:5] will be the prophet like unto Moses to lead the "chosen" into Armageddon while the world is ended in World War 1 Revelation 16:14 calls "The Battle Of That Great day Of God Almighty".
  
  According to "the parable of the fig tree" there are only some 11 years left of Psalm 90:10's eighty from when the nation of Israel budded in 1948. Sigh if you will or learn to live ecologically and stop being economics dependent.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I might...if scripture could be believed or even if the quotation from Psalm had anything to do with Israel. Unfortunately, it does not.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That quote of Psalms is about the life expectancy of man is 70 easy years and 80 with suffering. Relate that to the U.S. with an easy life had it been destroyed in 2018 but it will not because it will take about 10 more years to fulfill the last few destruction prophecies.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Relate all you wish; there must be a million things that could relate.
  
  But the words say what they do, and that has exactly zero to do with Israel gaining land. Or with the "easy" life of Americans; every generation for a thousand years has had it a little easier, at least in developed countries.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "every generation for a thousand years has had it a little easier, at least in developed countries"
  
  This is absolutely true, generally-speaking. This world is constantly improving, and that is what it is designed to do. So many Christians insist that the writing of America's Constitution was a sacred thing; and that we have been falling from grace, ever since. But this country has only gotten bigger and stronger with time. Its not anywhere near perfect; and we obviously have some things that still need to be worked out - but, it is far from the days when we lived in caves; and humanity actually has a whole hell of a LOT to be proud of.
  
  This world is based on the Law of Attraction - which makes things expand into more & more (unless we stop giving whatever, our attention). Its a Scientific concept based on our thoughts, emotions & imagination. Since everything around us (including our own bodies) are energy; it is a MUCH more believable reason for 'things happening the way they are' then trying to flip bible verses around to force them to say things that they don't.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, Misfit - there is nothing at all "scientific" about the so-call Law of Attraction. If it were we would find experiments, conducted with careful precision and measurements showing it is real, followed by peer review listing their own experiments (with parameters and conditions listed) agreeing with any conclusions. None of that has been done; it is relegated to the metaphysical world where only thought is required for conclusions and proof instead of the scientific one where thought and hypothesis is only the beginning.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, quite a lot of experimenting has been done. (Of course, you stopped at the first scientific thing you came to in my hub - and discounted it the same way (and almost as fast, ha!); and didn't continue on to the others)... But, the Law of Attraction doesn't really need that. Each person can prove it for themselves - its actually quite easy to do. (You'd have to scroll about halfway down; but I do have an experiment people can do to see how it works in my hub).
  
  But, its also for another question. Just do a search and a little reading. You don't have to believe in it for it to work - it just does. As such, you can probably look back on your life (after you inform yourself a bit) and see where it has worked in your own life. (Newsflash: many MANY Christians, people from other religious beliefs sets, AND even Atheists have been delving into the LoA for at least thirty years, now. (It is considered to be a religious, spiritual or life 'accessory' - depending on how you wish to view it; although it is not a new concept, just one that is being rediscovered.)
  
  In fact, I'll probably really p*ss people off by saying this... It is how Jesus did his miracles. Oh yeah, I explain it all in detail in my 1st spotlight hub. Its actually a really fascinating read if you are into the subject matter. (I know you have a problem with the subject to begin with, wilderness - so I won't hold it against you if you can't read it, LoL!)
  
  I repeat: Its a Scientific concept based on our thoughts, emotions & imagination. Since everything around us (including our own bodies) are energy (that is a FACT); it is a MUCH more believable reason for 'things happening the way they are'. That includes Trump. That hub is one of the very few places you will see me talk about him in a positive (dare I say, glowing) way - LoL!
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wow. And, wow again. You do realize that wishing something is scientific and it being proven through scientific experimentation are two different things. Right? You do realize that you writing a hub about something doesn't make it so. Right?
  
  I could go on but pretty certain we already disagree on two pretty simple and basic points.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I do realize that - which is why I include plenty of links within my spotlight article; and they are concepts that you can also do your own research on.
  
  "I could go on but pretty certain we already disagree on two pretty simple and basic points."
  
  Cool. What are they?
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wilderness,
  Isaiah 11:10-12 reads...
  "10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse [the second and end time messiah {Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me (MLK): and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple (The second Messiah), even the messenger of the covenant (and revealing it's meaning), whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts."}], which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
  [The next two verses sets the time which was 1948.]
  11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
  12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
  
  Accept what is written if you will or reject it if you might, the truth will be seen before the spiritual night [civilization's end].
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wilderness,
  We don't know even half of what is happening behind Government's closed doors: truth is, we don't know even half of American History with all of the secret - which is unconstitutional anyway - things being done such as cloning people and animals, being able to disappear as "cloaking" is called and a multitude of other things, so how do you don't know experimenting with opposite attractions is not being done and is behind what we see today? You don't, not even if you work in government - unless you worked for the CIA and is here to down play truth.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I did listen to the whole thing... Do you have any idea how much stuff is out here about 'evil' Hillary and bible prophecy? It was the same way with Obama during the entire eight years he was in office - signs & wonders, with him as the 'antiChrist' - and NONE of them came true.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, I have finally finished this video. My earlier assessment about why he is experiencing extreme physical reactions when his books are published, stands. Mr. Cahn is obviously brilliant; but it almost feels like he is 'running ahead of himself' - processing profound spiritual things with a human mind that currently can't quite view things in any other way beyond what his human 'filter' can comprehend. (And I really hate to say this, but a lot of this stuff has already been realized previously by other people - it just doesn't always get into the hands of the public, especially if we are not ready for it, yet. It gets sort of 'selectively-distributed' as only Spirit can do.)
  
  It is the same way with all of us. We can't comprehend beyond what our mind-filter will allow - but, that is why we have each other to bounce ideas off of: so we can 'work them out' in an attempt to create better outcomes (not that we always succeed, ha!). We are all connected like links in a chain; and have the ability to 'raise' each other up as we rise in awareness.
  
  I am not dissing Mr. Cahn's hard work, at all... He (and his masterpieces) are exactly where God wants them to be right now. He is obviously inspiring & challenging people. God uses absolutely everything.
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  "...it’s a prophetic revelation of God and where we’re going…”
  It is far more a reflection of the status of 'the majority' of our collective consciousness.
  
  There is nothing new under the sun - ‘everything is blueprinted out for us…’
  
  Actually, it isn’t anymore… Not since the level of awareness across the world has increased exponentially over the past 3ish decades. This is what the development of the Kingdom of God was all about – moving from childhood into adolescence and now ‘adulthood’, etc. Humanity USED to be very predictable; and our patterns were as ingrained as they are with animals – running on instinct instead of intuition.
  
  And yes, ‘God weaves everything together’ – including ‘starting a new pattern’ within the tapestry, as he has been doing with the new paradigm shift.
  
  However, when you start a new pattern, you don’t carry all of the colors over and sometimes you don’t carry any of them over. The tapestry of God continues eternally; and people in this day & age can CHOOSE to remain within the part of the tapestry they were originally woven into – OR they can choose to become part of the new pattern that is being created. Here's more about that...
  
  ‘Ancient Scandal’ – Mr. Cahn starts talking about when Israel started worshipping Baal; BUT he doesn’t mention that there were/are TWO completely different religious sects that existed in parallel streams among the Israelites. (Actually, there were a few different sects, but two main differences.) One set of sects basically became the Nation of Israel that we know and are familiar with, today; and the other sect remained hidden for quite a while longer. That set of beliefs is known as Kabbalah - which is the actual law handed down by Moses that Jesus came to fulfil. (Yeah, too bad Rome's pagan founders didn't know about it; BUT that was also the intention of God - how else could he [eventually] move pagan-embedded beings into the realization of who & what they really are?)
  
  “Old things pass away, behold all things become new’. Sometimes God does that in abrupt, destructive ways as he has done in the past – but sometimes its far more subtle, like now. The reason why this paradigm shift has been 'subtle' is because so many people are expecting a big bad bang - but we are being given plenty of time to realize the things we need to realize. Old things ARE passing away; BUT there ARE also things that are becoming NEW.
  
  The pattern change isn’t as stark as it has been during past paradigm shifts. “To everything, turn turn turn” – absolutely true. It is one of the reasons why so many Christians are beginning to realize what was actually going on in Jesus’ time. We simply could not see it all before because we weren’t ready to for it, yet.
  
  This is where the split takes place… People can choose to continue on in their original belief sets of religious dogmas that feed into our ‘natural’ human instinct of fear; OR we can choose to move into the new paradigm God has opened up for us. Since he did not almost completely destroy the entire world during this planet’s age-ending cycle; AND humanity has never been so spiritually-advanced before – our current potential to create Heaven on Earth has finally been realized - also part of the plan for the continuation of the Kingdom of God on Earth.
  
  In other words, as individuals, we can CHOOSE to continue to be part of the old system or the new one – which also means that the divide between the two is going to be getting wider & wider to the point that we will literally cease to co-exist with each other (probably without even realizing it).
  
  The old system may very well be heading for catastrophe; but the new one where fear no longer rules the world will virtually be unaffected by it. If your ‘being’ or ‘soul’ is vibrating or ‘identifying’ with the same frequency as the old system, that is where you will stay to experience whatever is manifesting out of that. If you are identifying with the new one – you will begin to experience a new kind of existence as we are ‘eased’ (or jerked, ha!) into it.
  
  We are making our choices now – most of us without realizing it. But, there is a part of us that knows EXACTLY what we are doing; and NEITHER choice is a wrong one. Its just where you are in the River of Life - which is an eternally-flowing stream of God who loves ALL of his children within both systems in the same exact unconditional way (whether we realize it, or not).
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I really do not mean to continually-beep my own horn - but my 1st spotlight article goes far beyond just explaining 'how the pagan church got Christ wrong'. It also goes DEEP into explaining our entire lives from beginning to end from a new (to us) Christian perspective. That's why it is so dang long, LoL!
  
  But, if you are really curious about what's been going on in Christianity beyond DT being elected & why (Trump's purpose is to expose the divide and to keep cutting - probably until the two paradigms finally & officially separate)... Its full of bits of soul-soothing information about our beloved God that you are all welcome to either accept or reject, at will.
  
  Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ http://hub.me/akagx
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I will check into that as I'm reading your "spotlight post" but my 'Why It's Written In the Name "Of" Jesus' is another clear explanation how Christianity got it incorrectly as it is was designed to do.
  
  Maybe that hub - I'll also check out - revealed who the Jesus in the Bible's actual name was but as my huge title quoted above shows, there are to be two different christ.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You're right, Christianity was designed by God/Spirit to be a deception - but ONLY so that it could eventually become a bridge between ancient pagan beliefs and 'the real' teachings of Jesus, which are now much more obvious with the passage of time.
  
  The pagan founders of Christianity were incapable of comprehending Jesus' message; because they started paying attention to it LONG after Jesus was gone. So instead of hearing the truth directly from him - they simply updated their old pagan beliefs surrounding him. It would have been almost impossible for them to believe his original message 'as it was' (which is why they crucified him for it in the first place - they COULDN'T understand it; and it sounded like a big bowl of blasphemy).
  
  There was no conspiracy theory; and there isn't more than one Jesus - although that one person may be a couple different people compiled into one.
  
  While there ARE plenty of conspiracy theories in this world - most of them are currently in the process of falling away, simply because they have become too vintage; and our society no longer ignorantly supports them nearly as innocently as we used to.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  In all honesty, Misfit, it isn't the paganism of the people but the belief in the multitude of "since perceived" judgmental adjectives which killed man's ability to "comprehend all things" as it means. That happened in the garden in Eden to Adam and Eve and everyone destroyed at the great flood. There the descendants of Adam are called "daughters of men" and those who were of Genesis 1 are called "sons of god", the following explains why.
  
  Few people understand the "hu" of human and "wo" of woman prefixes means "hu = cut from ..." and "wo = woven from man" and, in turn, means "minds unable to comprehend all things and none of those terms represent a gender. A part of the Babble of "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth" the USA is.
  
  Since people don't see everything is what it is [the Hebrew's I AM THAT I AM and Khemet's (Egypt's) ISIS] but only half of it we are unable to put the dots together to paint the spiritual picture I'm revealing. Thus, not seeing the whole picture people come up with all kinds of theories, conspiracy and otherwise. The truth encompasses the "evil" and "good" alike as Isaiah 45:7 reveals.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I thought you were going to be doing some other reading... Using bible verses to explain your wonky perspective is useless on me for the reasons I've already told you - at least until you 'read up'. You and I are in the same place Norine and I used to be... unable to communicate because she was clueless about my perspective to be able to make any sense of anything. I was already familiar with her perspective; as I am with your's. I've already told you that I have heard most of this stuff, already. Its not new - not even sort of. Now tell me why you think my perspective is so off. You can't do it without actually reading it.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Those terms are written in many different religion, I use the Bible's terms because more people have called the words of the bible than they have other religions.
  
  I an not clueless about your perspectives, from what I have read of your hub in many ways we are saying the same things. When I rejected Christianity as taught - not the written texts it is supposedly built on - I sought to find in other religious scripture - not what people taught - saying similar things and if the people who study them can see them (Isaiah 28:9-10) as saying the same thing then I would use them. I don't have them available, nor internet to seek them online, so I use the ones most known.
  
  I don't believe you are familiar with what I'm saying because we are SAYING ALMOST THE SAME THINGS yet you are saying we disagree. I had the same problem with Norine but she has read my hubs - sent her as attachments since she is no longer on here - who now is awakening to understand my perspective. It is very difficult for people who are not "born again" or gone through the "flaming sword" to overcome the mind of good and evil - and multitude of other judgmental adjectives - and to eliminate all attachments to return to living ecologically to see the "spirit" of the words one who is objective is able to see.
  
  I wonder how many of my hubs - 16 total - have you read to see just how everything I'm saying is also very alike what you are, from what I have so far read of the hub you keep telling people to read.
  
  I don't see your perspective as being off, I see how you are not integrating percept upon precept, line upon line and a little from here and a little from there to see how most religions are saying almost the same thing, although in some places you do, all the way through.
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  Pollyannalanaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, those who use human understanding know just enough to be dangerous...like Misfit Chick. Hard as it is to do the most we can do is pray for them to find true Spirit filled guidance and understanding.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Oh? Did you read my spotlight hub to be able to debunk the message that I have come up with through decades of 'spirit-filled guidance & understanding'?
  
  Please do elaborate and tell us specifically where/how you think I'm wrong... Don't be afraid, there are so many of us Christians who have gone through this 'unbelieving' or 'rebelieving' stuff, by now.
  
  I have yet to have a Christian be able to debunk any part of it - although they can certainly tell me what 'their version' of the word of God translates to 'for them'. (Though lately, I've been getting more kudos - which are way more fun, LoL!)
  
  That's okay. You can use logic to explain just about every wonky perspective we humans have ever come up with - thats its power AND its flaw. Its how so many people's of various religions (not just Christianity; AND including Atheists) got things so out of whack. (And again, it is the main reason for the story of the Tower of Babel.)
  
  God is bringing some of us back into focus. You don't have to come along... As I said above, staying in this reality (or paradigm) is just as valid - and valuable - of a reality choice.
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  Pollyannalanaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No I will not go long with you or those like you. Just because you have so much more to say about everything than the bible does, does not make you right. Through the Holy Spirit we discern right from wrong and are not misguided by any misfits.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  FYI (because I'm sure this isn't your intention)... You are 'going along with me' when you respond; because it gives me the opportunity to continue the discussion with other people who may be listening but not actually responding - like you are.
  
  I am well-aware that you can't change embedded beliefs of people who cherish them in a personal way... But, you can help people who may be lingering in destructive doubts or self-judgement. It is toward those people that I am talking for - every. single. time.
  
  How do I know they are out there? Because I used to be one...
  
  And, in the one-in-a-kajillion chance that I happen to affect your diehard perspective - woot!
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  I just wrote a variation of this somewhere else, but this is another good place for it:
  
  The Word of God is SPIRIT and subjective for people. For instance, most Christians in evangelical churches are big believers of 'Salvation' - ie., Jesus died on the cross to save souls from sin.
  
  Other Christians believe that Jesus Christ was another 'buddha' in our world - one of many, and not 'the only' - (teaching 'Christ Consciousness within').
  
  Both beliefs use the same bible verses to 'prove' their arguments.
  
  I, for one, think it is very interesting that the buddha perspective still exists - since that is the biggest 'belief' that the pagan church considered to be so dangerous; and was trying to wipe out from the inception of their pagan version of Christianity.
  
  The pagan concept of 'salvation' creates fear in people. Realizing that the Kingdom of God is within absolutely everyone - including the most ugly & dastardly among us (both Hillary & Trump, yes!) - creates freedom. (No belief in a god required, cuz we're created 'intact' & 'turnkey'.
  
  However, confusion has been clearning in the past few decades, especially. If God really loves us & hell really exists for eternal punishment - why didn't he go out of his way (like he did for the Israelites with TWO stone tablet replacements WHILE the people were SINNING with idols) to make 'the way' FAR more clear? In fact, he did.
  
  Christians are FAR MORE WORTHY (w/o salvation) than they have been led to believe. The kicker is, so is everyone else who isn't a Christian. It is so worth it to find out the truth of our reality. Don't stop because you think you might already know everything - do your research.
  
  Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
  
  You can't 'form light' unless you also 'create darkness'. God is light, there is no source for darkness - only the absense of light. Darkness or evil cannot exist except within the boundaries of places God has created for 'the dark' to be able to exist - like the Universe, and specifically for us, this planet we call Earth.
  
  And this is the choice we make as humans every day: are we choosing light or the absense of it in any given moment? Either choice is okay because we have REASONS for making those choices. Its why we can't make a wrong one... Perceptions are part of our ever-expanding personal identity.
  
  Any choice we make is where we will experience life from - complete with all the various rewards and/or consequences - because we are explorers on a frontier. God is our baseline, keeping us eternally 'untouched' by whatever ugly things we might go through while we are focused here.
  
  The reason why Jesus' message was eventually twisted with paganism lies within the beliefs that original pagan founders had surrounding spiritual things. Meaning: Christianity's deceptions probably didn't start out to be intentional. It looks like they based it on what they knew; and what they were capable of believing.
  
  When we think about 'how ideas evolve' among us, there almost needed to be a pagan-christian religion in between the extremes of both 'wild' religious views - in order for humans to eventually be able to move from their 'believable' version of God to the more realistic and less harmful one that we are finally beginning to discover and embrace.
  
  It has even been speculated that if humanity had embraced the original message of Christ during his time; our world today might look an awful lot like the ancient Jewish sect of Essenses - and they were an even more strict & radical version of Judaism than what we are familiar with, today.
  
  Separating their harsh religious beliefs surrounding rules and regulations from the concept of 'the christos within' throughout history might have become an almost impossible feat - BUT, they were probably the people most accepting of Jesus' message in that location during his time.
  
  God reveals things in perfect timing. The pagan version of Christianity has definitely had a purpose in this world as all religions do.
  
  As you can probably tell, I could go on & on... And in fact, you know where you can get more without me doing that.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The picture The Paradigm is painting isn't about something slow since the parable of the fig tree - using May 1946 for the budding and Psalm 90:10's 80 years for the passing of a generation - we are talking about 11 years maximum before the world ends, that's quite sudden I would think.
  
  Since Cahn said, this is the time of Elijah, then we must realize Elijah is what the Bible calls "the second coming of christ - as all old Testament prophecies of christ points to two different people beginning with different stones Moses smote for water [spiritual knowledge during spiritual draughts] and the Rod and Branch messiahs (Isaiah 11:1-12) with the root to come about the time Israel became a nation in 1948 (vs 10-12). Therefore, everything in John's Revelation beginning in chapter 5 - which hasn't already - through chapter 20 has to happen by 2028. That is why my "The Bible's Message" is so important, it makes it clear what is required of us is to return to eco living and get out of economical living.
  
  What Cahn did was take the carnal past and spiritualize them into the events of today re-enforcing the fact that these are the last days.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, and this kind of thing comes & goes around time & time again... There really wasn't much in there that was new; although he does seem to have grabbed much more of the world's attention: which is almost new. (The Celestine Prophecy stuff comes to mind.)
  
  Most people don't know what the '2nd Coming' of Christ is all about - so they take things literally. Are you aware of just HOW MANY people like Cahn have come up with 'bible codes' that somehow explains so many things - including the future? I've read more than a few of them.
  
  But for some reason, what is actually going on doesn't ever come out. I wonder why? Probably because its much more boring, LoL!
  
  This image is ALL that is happening at the moment. While its a pretty big, HUGE hairy deal - its not very 'apocalyptic'; and kind of a disappointment for some people, I guess.
  
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "The Celestine Prophecy" is a metaphor of what actually happens to the "born again" since all except being able too disappear has happened to me since my rebirthing. Carlos Castaneda's series also fit as metaphors concerning the abilities of the born again. That is why it is so important for us to do it, when the "bridegroom" enters Armageddon with the 5 wise virgins [those who become adults which is what both metaphors are showing] they will have the power over in the "Atomic, Nuclear and bombs of all sorts" (Rev.18:4-6) burned out USA and able to live here because of those powers [Genesis1:26-28's dominion].
  
  That photo isn't anywhere close to what the Christ of the Bible not to come look like, you should read my "Why It Is Written In The Name 'Of' Jesus" and see. For him to be from Judah's family tree he would be a boy of color as all of Jacob's sons were of color except Joseph and Benjamin, so that can't look like him.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  My point was... Why use 'metaphors' when you can use logic & common sense? Also, I am well-aware that image is not how Jesus looked. I posted it far more because of the text that is written on it.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The reason is because to use common sense in scripture would not allow the events to happen as it did before (Ecc. 1:9) since there will never be anything new under the sun.
  
  That is a true statement except there is to be a "first fruit of the gospel" [now deleted out of the New Testament] who is to become ripe before the rest of those who are called out of the world [as the term "church" means] during the last days and into "Armageddon" to survive the "Battle Of That Great Day Of god Almighty" (Rev. 16: 16 & 14 respectively).
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  Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously? The media worships Obama.
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Paul Wingertposted 7 years ago
We're taking about a group of people that can't distinguish fact from fiction,
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Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years ago
White evangelicals will vote for any Republican who is anti-abortion and they think will protect their investments - period - end of sentence. It has nothing to do with faith or God or anything else. I know. I'm surrounded by them.

The two recent most Christ-like presidents we've had, President Carter and President Obama, evangelicals chewed them up and spit them out. I'm one of them and they break my heart.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  This pretty much hits the nail on the head. It's very sad. I've attempted to discuss this with some and many will agree on some points but it doesn't change their point of view one iota.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No one in here believes that there are a couple different types of Christian? There are actually Many who vote Dem or consider themselves to be moderates - and who vote 'pro-choice'. As I said above to Credence - that seems to be part of the problem. Both Christians &a non-Christians lump them together into the same right-wing category - and doing that makes divisions seem a lot bigger than they really are cuz extremists are the loud ones. There ARE moderate & liberal Christians BOTH. Moderate Christians need to start speaking out against extremist who are out voicing them. It's the same with Islam: non-extremists need to outvoice extremists who do not speak for them.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  This pretty much spotlights my point. When moderate-thinking Christians DO speak out - look what happens to them: piles of sh*t from extremists. If you read this article, you will note that he says that not everyone in the church felt the same way. But, the 'loud' ones are the ones who usually win.
  
  Robert E. Lee's descendant resigns as pastor after VMAs backlash
  http://ew.com/music/2017/09/05/robert-e … -backlash/
  
  If Christians would come up against their extremist peers, themselves - their voice would start to be heard more - instead of being drowned out like this.
  
  Additionally, most black Christian churches don't think like white ones (of course, some are mixed - I'm talking about the ones that have a larger majority of one over the other). So, when black ministers have something to say - its just a bunch of whining & complaining (cuz you don't hear nearly as much extremist talk). Few listen. (Unless, of course, the black minister/spokesperson/politician, whatever - happens to also somehow be GOP. Then, they get highlighted as, "See, black people REALLY think this way..."
  
  When, most of them don't. I would consider Credence to be a typically-thinking black man regarding the Christian faith (and probably most other things, even political) as he stated above. (I think I'm right about that, LoL!)
  
  Its hard to see the difference between the two types of Christians. Those of us who have survived really freakin UGLY childhoods due to Christian religious extremists are well-aware that there is a glaring divide among them that NONE of them want to talk about to each other. In my opinion, it is basically a whole lot of abuse & bullying going on (in so damn MANY ways), while good 'moderate' (WHITE!) Christian people turn a blind eye.
  
  Here are some moderate Christian sites. There are lots more, do a search:
  
  http://www.wesleywildman.com/?page_id=315 - directly addresses the very large group of moderate Christians, especially in the United States.
  
  http://politicallymoderatechristian.com/
  
  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/leavingfun … the-enemy/ First sentence: I want to make something very clear: This blog does not exist to criticise Christianity at large. It is only fundamentalism and extremism I want to stop.
  
  Moderates need to start leading the conversations that intertwine with Christian ideals - not Christian extremists, militants or cultists. I hope you're all starting to see that there IS a significant divide.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'd also like to point out that Roland Martin is a black journalist. You don't see Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell or Franklin Graham Jr jumping into this boiling pot. But, you also don't see as big of a deal coming from it, probably because he IS black. I mean, WHAT Trump supporter is going to take what he has to say, seriously?
  
  If Frankie came out with an admonishment against all this 'free hate speech' - you can BET that it would make an impact among them.
  
  I'm just sorry I don't have a freakin microphone that broadcasts to millions. I need one, LoL!
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  This is spot on. I watched a couple of my Christian friends twist themselves in knots praying for guidance about who to vote for, only to have a fevered epiphany that Trump was sent by God to do battle with the evil liberals who kill babies.
  
  Trump doesn't give a rat's patootie about unborn babies.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Again, this seems to be the main reason why we can't move this conversation forward: there ARE moderate Christians who should be speaking out. When we lump every Christian together, the result is America today.
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cheaptrickposted 7 years ago
...and then there's the dyslexic atheist who goes around telling people "There Is No Dog!"...while the Christians cry "Wolf Wolf!"...
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Paul Wingertposted 7 years ago
Ever notice that God only talks to lunatics and con artists?
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  Pollyannalanaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  He's been talking to you? He talks to most of us through the Bible, His word. It hasn't been proven wrong yet.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm. More importantly, it hasn't been proven right, either.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is stumbling into dangerous territory.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  *shrug* Make claims insinuating that belief is equal to fact and I'll generally reverse the comment, under the assumption that if you can do it, so can I.
  
  There is also the matter of being proven wrong; if one foregoes "creative" interpretation it isn't hard to show that scripture is false to fact right from the beginning.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know about creative interpretation. I guess you'd have to give me examples.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  A day of creation was an unknown amount of time. Light appeared before stars, light created out of nothing. Birds appeared before reptiles or other land animals. Woman made from a rib, man from dust. 5,000 year old earth.
  
  All explained with very creative interpretation.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I think it is easy to forget just how wild and backward the Israelites were when they came out of Egypt. Think about it if it were true. Even if Moses had been well educated in the court of Pharoah I can't imagine the daunting task of leading and controlling them. Think about it. 600,000 able bodied men. If the average guy had 2-3 wives, each wife bore 2-3 children and then there were the older people we might be looking at millions. If it is true.
  
  If it is true, tradition says Moses wrote the Pentateuch. Now, what would be more plausible; given that you are guiding millions of unwashed and uneducated people around in the desert? You'd attempt to write a scientific account of the universe when, obviously even if there were a deity guiding you in the writing you still didn't have understanding enough to grasp that scientific account or, that unwashed and uneducated mass would need something more relevant to guide them through the coming years of learning how to even try to act in a civilized manner?
  
  Sorry. The account isn't overly far fetched, to me, when you take into account the original audience.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well, of course. That's kind of the point; accuracy and truth were not only not available when it was written, it wasn't likely to be a part of why it was written. That remains as an effort to maintain control of a large number of "unwashed and uneducated" peoples; peoples that demanded answers when there weren't any. So answers were created anyway; answers that fit with what the belief of the time was, but not necessarily with truth.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Does that, in any way, negate the value of the collection of works? Not really, unless one insists on all things being equal, at all times.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, yes. "Negate" is probably too strong, but certainly it loses considerable reputability. When a large portion is found to be false and untrue, the rest suffers considerable; why believe it to be true when we know other portions are wrong?
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  We believe the 'truths' while [many people] are able to discern the bending & twisting that has happened - because the truths are profound and inspiring. And yeah, they can be found in many other places aside from the Christian bible.
  
  Beliefs only become dangerous when a few people decide to take things literally (or in an erroneous way that was 'preached' to them) - which is what happens too often. Those 'extremists' get scared, shrill & LOUD; while buying into all kinds of harmful stuff that they feel NEEDS to be imposed on the rest of us. (Or we'll all DIE the horrible death described in Revelations - ACK!!)
  
  That is what this question is about; and my point - again - is that 'moderate' & 'centrist' Christians need to start speaking up; and stop letting extremists seem to speak for them all.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  True. In what way? In my way? Where as one portion outlines the problems which would be associated with a 'stay at home' God? Where God cannot back an earthly nation? I don't see a problem with that.
  
  Or, are we talking about the New Testament? Where Jesus gives a heck of an example of how to live your life? I don't see a problem with that.
  
  I suppose, in the end, your take away will determine your opinion of the value.
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Gail Meyersposted 7 years ago
The Constitution, sovereignty....
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abwilliamsposted 7 years ago
It isn't complex to be a Christian. You believe Jesus is the son of God or you don't. You believe in the virgin birth or you don't.
You believe or you do not! It isn't complicated.

The most sought out history book, the Bible, in addition to the obvious, is equally sought out in hopes of destroying it and its content. All attempts fail, while errors and untruths are constantly found in other history books, the Bible is infallible.
To answer your question Misfit, I believe that things happen for a reason, I never thought that Obama was the anti-Christ and I've never thought that Trump was called by God.
Simply said, we have free will and we freely and willfully elected Trump. I hope he does the job to the best of his ability, as I always want for all Presidents.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well, that has been the excuse for many Christians... *I* never believed that Obama was the anti-christ; *I* didn't lynch & burn him in effigy; and *I* have never said that Trump was called by God - so *I* am not guilty!!
  
  "we freely and willfully elected Trump" - Of course you did, and that is my problem with the Christian extremists who voted for him: your standards were pretty darn low, not even SORT of caring about Trump's mouth or how he stirs up & deepens divisions among citizens of America (again, that's not all Christians - remember #NeverTrump? SOME of you have higher standards. Thanks!).
  
  "the Bible is infallible" - Actually, it isn't. That is a dogmatic belief that keeps you from seeing the truth and in mental bondage. I know, I used to be a conservative Christian and an 'extremist' one, at that. I highly-advise checking out my 1st spotlight article. You'll discover what's been going on within Christian beliefs these days - its profound information. Try not to be afraid of it. It has the potential to completely set your mind free.
  
  The really frustrating thing is that these extremist Christians are really seeming to ENJOY being the nation's as*holes, at the moment. They are celebrating their destructive behavior because it feels so GOOD to be BAD, LoL! That is another really good indicator about the mindset of extremists.
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  AB, you do realize much of the present day Bible was stolen from other gods long before Christianity evolved? Or are you one of those people who cares not to research the religion their afterlife depends on?
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  abwilliamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thomas Jefferson said, "Question with boldness, even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
  
  God knows that I have questioned and I've questioned often through many low points in my life. I had nowhere else to look, but up.
  
  Many years ago, I was facing a dangerous, invasive major surgery (I had three small children) and I was scared beyond measure. So I prayed. I can't explain (there are no words) to describe what happened next. An indescribable peace came over me, it was as if I was enveloped in a heavenly embrace and all worry and fear was instantly gone. The next morning the Nurses and my Surgeon were amazed at the level of my calmness. I knew I was going to be okay. I've no doubt that it was the Holy Spirit which had enveloped me in that warm embrace.
  That may seem crazy to some, crazy to you...but it is all true.
  Many things that I cannot see, I've no doubt are there.
  I've questioned and came out on the other side, believing.
  I believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of a Living God.
  It is called Faith.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is a beautiful story, and totally believable. However, Muslim & Hindi believers (among other people of religions) have had similar experiences - which is why they believe in their version of religion so deeply, also.
  
  Belief is everything, and humans are created to be 'complete' - THROUGH our beliefs, thoughts & emotions, and of course - our soul.
  
  Here's a splash from my spotlight article that explains how Jesus did miracles:
  
  "Whatever we believe is what will manifest around us. You've heard of people walking on smoldering coals and bending spoons. It is because they believe.
  
  If you can convince yourself to believe that you can move things telekineticallly with just your mind - you can. If you believe you can feed 5000 people with a few loaves of bread and some fish, you can. Do you believe you can walk on water?
  
  Matthew 14: And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
  
  On a spiritual level, if you believe that you can project your soul into the astral plane to have a face-to-face chat with Lord Krishna, you can. If your religion inspires you to believe that the Holy Spirit guides you in your life - it does. If you believe that wearing a certain type of crystal will heal you - it will. If you believe 'laying on of hands and praying in Jesus name' will heal you - it will, also.
  
  Jesus often said to people he had healed, 'Your faith has made you whole." We can certainly receive help from others. In that case, they become 'co-creators' with us - but, we receive absolutely no help UNLESS we believe...
  
  Most beliefs become real to us by thinking thoughts over and over. This is why they are so hard to unravel - we build them. In the case of Jesus healing people, all they had to do was watch him heal others; and they were easily convinced that he could heal them. The people Jesus healed were READY for him to heal them:
  
  Luke 8:45 Jesus said, Who touched me? Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me. He said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace."
  
  Beliefs are not solid truths - there is no 'one truth'. They are tools to help us move us forward in life; and they can also hinder us in big ways if we don't realize that 'our truth' isn't the 'only one'.
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abwilliamsposted 7 years ago
I'm sorry. I hope that you can work through it.
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abwilliamsposted 7 years ago
Jesus also said, "I am the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father, but by me."
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, most Christians don't realize that their preachers misinterpret that verse. It is what the entire pagan/salvation portion of Christianity is based on - and MOST preachers these days KNOW that the current interpretation is a lie.
  
  It continues to be preached because most Christians still need the training wheels - and that is perfectly okay, UNLESS their beLIEfs start harming society. Which they have been doing for a while, now - for decades, centuries and a couple of millenia, at least. A lot longer than ISIS has been harming our world through their dogmatic-version of Islam.
  
  Its so long past time for Christians - and religious people, in general (and Atheists, yes!) - to get reality into perspective. You really need to read my spotlight hub, AB. People shouldn't hurt each other over ignorance; and Trump has been nothing but a weapon for many Conservative Christians who are exactly that: ignorant. (I even highlight Trump in a non-bad way in there.)
  
  Again, that isn't all conservatives or christians #NeverTrump. Christians, themselves, are as divided as this country is. Why do some of you 'get it', while others of you are clueless? Its a darn good question; and the reason why this discussion is an important one to be having.
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abwilliamsposted 7 years ago
We could all go back and forth til the cows and Jesus come back

Philippians 4:6-7
Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
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  Randy Godwinposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There's a sucker born every minute.
  
  3:7--Barnum
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Bill Maher explains why Trump gets along better with Chuck and Nancy than he does with Mitch and Paul.
  
  Bill Maher explains why Trump doesn't get along with Republican leadership
  
  Bill Maher explained on "Real Time" Friday night that President Donald Trump has been able to make deals recently with top Democratic leaders because he's not actually all that different from them.
  
  The late-night comedian argued his point using the children's book "The Town Mouse and the Country Mouse," (Maher called the book "The City Mouse and the Country Mouse") which he said is all you'll need to understand why America is so divided.
  
  He described every state as looking the same, "a sea of red with a few blue dots."
  
  "Something happens to you when you live in a city," Maher said.
  
  "You get mugged," he joked. "But you also have a multicultural experience."
  
  "Cities are places with diversity, and theatre and museums and other gay stuff," the late-night comedian joked.
  
  "Republicans are freaking out lately," Maher explained. He said that's because Trump is "pivoting" from his own party's leaders, House Speaker Paul Ryan R-Wisc., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell R-Ky., to those across the aisle such as, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer D-N.Y. and Nancy Pelosi D-Calif.
  
  "Colluding with Russia, fine," Maher said of Republicans' attitude. "But Democrats?" he asked, shaking his head in disapproval.
  
  Maher said that Schumer and Pelosi are "city mice and that's who a consummate New Yorker like Donald Trump relates to."
  
  The president's disillusionment with McConnel and Ryan is "not really political" according to Maher. "It’s just that for the first 70 years of his life he would never be caught dead hanging around with a traveling Bible salesman like Paul Ryan or a corny, countrified-goober like Mitch McConnell."
  
  "Trump voters were played for rubes by the ultimate fast-talking city-slicker," Maher said.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Totally. I've been saying that for a while, now... Trump took the GOP's own decades-old propaganda-ized based; and played them BETTER than any Republican could. Its not like most of these arguments are new - even immigration and 'the wall'. Its just that GOP have been hyping it based on the fear of ISIS - and yet, America has experienced NO OUTSIDE TERRORIST ATTACKS since Obama was in office. But, they continue to insist that Obama's administration was so incredibly lax on immigration...
  
  Trump didn't have any interest in being a Republican - it was just the party he hijacked & used. He could have just as easily came in under the Dems if Bernie hadn't already taken their disruptors slot. Either Bernie or Trump would have caused the divides in the country to go deeper. But, Bernie probably wouldn't have been nearly as big of a jerk about it, intentionally stirring up hate & division at every opportunity.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  +1
  
  We really are living in a parallel universe.
  I believe you will get that.
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Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years ago
The same way conservatives thought Reagan was a fine Christian and Carter wasn't. Reagan and Trump line up with their politics. Has nothing to do with religion.

Time showed us which was living by Christian principles and who was not.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Kathleen, I chose to differ with you. Religion, especially Christianity, if a prophecy of what is happening in the finial days of the world and everything you see happening, especially in this nation, is foretold in the Bible. The revelation calls her Sodom [place of forced sexual activity] and Egypt [place of bondage by definition], Genesis 49:1 & 8-12 describes her the we are able to give the correct meanings to the symbols, Micah 5:1 if we understand Bethlehem [house of bread] Ephrathah [plentiful] has been the proclamation of the U.S. when we were saying "the land of plenty" and on I could go pointing out religious prophecy of this nation. Read some of my hubs and you will see many more.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It absolutely has to do with their religious beliefs. Not the beliefs of (most) GOP politicians (for decades); but the propaganda-hype they twist & twirl around for evangelical & fundamental Christians - who they consider to be their 'base'.
  
  Their religious base FEARS God's wrath against this ENTIRE country for things like abortion, healthcare (cuz it is a precursor to a one-world government - which makes it 'evil'), and same-sex marriages, etc. All the GOP needs to do is convince conservatives that these things are absolutely true - and they will vote for them, no matter what else is in their agendas.
  
  Trump is a perfect example of so many conservatives voting for him because they felt like they HAD to in order to get abortion made illegal, again - which is one of their main manipulative talking points, especially toward Christian women whose hearts SCREAM over that one issue. That one issue creates a very loyal (if not dwindling) base. They could obviously care less who or how it gets overturned. And if Trump's Supreme Court pick becomes the person who helps overturn it - WOOT, Trump WAS called by God!!!
  
  I've told you all and I'll say it again... I was RAISED in a VERY conservative Christian home. I KNOW how their religion is used against them by Republicans; or I would not have asked this question in the first place.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Misfit, in part we agree and I believe we can, via reasoning, come into complete agreement. However, to do it will require transcending "the knowledge of good and evil" and replace them with "it is what it is" or I AM THAT I AM. Eliminating judgmental adjectives out of our conversations - very difficult to do since there are so many we don't even realize as judgments - is the primary key to be able to "eat from the tree of life" which "the tree of knowledge" is without "the knowledge of good and evil" added two it as ["the flaming"] and separate from attachments as [sword] represents.
  
  I was raised a conservative Christian so much so I often say "I was conceived in the church" but rejected the answers which led to other questions. Now that I've overcome even the belief in god and devil (Isaiah 7:14-16) my answers tends to eliminate further questions in my mind, and as long as I have questions concerning a matter I continue tossed the answer.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It is highly-unlikely that we will ever come into complete agreement; and it isn't necessary. (Remember the story I told you about the Tower of Babel?)
  
  "it will require transcending "the knowledge of good and evil" and replace them with "it is what it is" or I AM THAT I AM. Eliminating judgmental adjectives out of our conversations..."
  
  I am well-aware of these concepts, as I've told you before. (You would also know that if you had READ my hub - for the kazillionth time, UGH!!) The reason why we are talking about this stuff now is because it is very good timing for Christians to be thinking about these things that so many of them are unaware of. BUT, you keep responding WITHOUT doing the homework you say you're going to do; and I've already told you why I want you to STOP commenting in here.
  
  So, either PLEASE stop - or do some reading and then start over so that we have a semi-common frame of reference.
  
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  So long as you comment back to me I swill respond, you want it stopped, stop responding to my posts.
  
  However, I'M IN THE PROCESS of Reading your "UGH" hub and see we agree far more than you even know so far. From my view, you are, in your mind, the only one with the truth while I see everyone with some truth, some with much they can share with me if they didn't make themselves the Judge, Jury and Executor as some people become when they forsake their original religious upbringings - the followers of Elijah Muhammad is one example.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "we are SAYING ALMOST THE SAME THINGS"
  
  Some things, yes. It is obvious that you have become enlightened beyond Christianity - and yet, you keep quoting scriptures that are connected to conspiracy theories that 'prove' we are on the brink of an apocalypse; while I'm pretty sure this civilization has just been through an 'ending cycle' that we are surviving through because our planet didn't actually 'end' this time around... The Kingdom of God is coming to fruition through us in the HERE & NOW.
  
  We also don't think of reincarnation or karma in the same way.
  
  "you are, in your mind, the only one with the truth"
  
  No, I know that I am not; and I don't think it is necessary for everyone to believe the same things... In fact, I could care LESS what anyone else believes UNTIL something like this HARMFUL Obama/Trump conundrum happens. (Yes, I am well-aware that this situation isn't 'harmful' in the eyes of Spirit... But I also believe, that since Spirit gave me this message, NOW is the time to be sharing it. It is beyond needed in this day & age. HP is just a beginning.
  
  I DO have a perspective on Christian (and Atheist) dogma - that people who insist on forcing their erroneous beliefs onto others, can become aware of. I'm not forcing anyone to read it - I started out asking a simple question (okay, its not so simple); and this is the way the conversations have meandered. I still haven't heard a bonafide Obama-hating, Trump-loving Christian explain themselves, yet. (Leading me to yet another repetitive & disproveable conspiracy theory didn't work.)
  
  And yeah, I think some of us out here really deserve an explanation. Why should this issue of extreme double-standards just be brushed away?
  
  What I have to say is hard enough for diehard Christians to hear; and it's a lot harder when someone like you is in here confusing them all the more. Lucky for us, we aren't in here to CHANGE anyone's mind - we're only attempting to enlighten a smattering of seekers a little more.
  
  Realization is a gradual thing because there is so much muck to crawl through first, LoL! Anyone who reads that hub and actually 'gets' something out of it (yes, that has happened) - started their questioning/exploratory/discovery processes long before they read it. At that point, it is simply a confirmation or validation for 'seekers' who are still struggling to tie up lose ends within their beliefs. Rarely (never) does someone say, 'Wow, yesterday I totally believed my fundamental Christian religion; and today after reading this, I can't imagine why I ever did..."
  
  Although, I am proud to say that I have been able to get a few of them thinking... If nothing else, it can help Christians (and atheists, and other religious folks) to appreciate other people's reasons for believing the way they do. That actually IS the intent of that hub.
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  Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You keep accusing me of trying to force my beliefs onto everyone... But, my beliefs are so much more inclusive and promotes diversity so much more than most religions, do. That is because God is as much the creator of diversity as he is love or unity.
  
  My current irritation with Christians is that they actually believe that they are better than everyone else; and are going to heaven even though most of the people in the world won't - because of Jesus, when we now KNOW that isn't true.
  
  They vote the way they do because they believe the politicians who pull their strings - both in and out of pulpits across this country. If anything, my hub SAVES Christ and the pagan version of the Christian religion from a world of atheists and various religious fanatics who would like to wipe it from the face of the Earth.
  
  No one's beliefs will change by reading it (and that isn't the intention of the hub) - unless you want them to. Some people are in flux; and it is nothing but soothing for them. We're all in a different place within our own spiritual little world. How the heck DO you figure out what is right & true 'for you' after all the previous & varied 'programming' your brain has been through? Yeah, I go into that in detail in that 1st spotlight hub, too.
  
  That is actually one of the 'upticks' of this existence: as creators, we are LEARNING how to create (it is what Jesus was trying to teach); but the physical aspects of this world make our creative abilities manifest SLOWLY - unlike Jesus, who already had a handle on 'how to do' this stuff. Think about it... In our human form, if we were capable of manifesting whatever we want at will - like Jesus did; we'd be in serious trouble (and probably not existing anymore).
  
  In other words, both Obama and Trump would have been dead with just a (few million) thought(s) LONG before either one of them actually took office. God knows what he's doing by giving us training wheels (religions); and not handing us the reigns to our souls right out of the starting gate. LoL!
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  The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Have you ever seen any cycle not come to an end? "God" conspired to end civilization and allowed it to be published in the book called "Holy Bible". All I'm doing is showing how it ends and that that time is now. I can't help it that I am endowed with that realization while so many before me missed because they were only looking at one or a few scriptures. What I see is said all through the book from Genesis to Revelation with them all showing to the same events. Was that an accident or intentional?
  
  *I am proud to say that I have been able to get a few of them thinking... If nothing else.*
  That is all we are supposed to do, once we crack the shell of deception it becomes spirit's job to complete the work. The "sower went forth to sow" parable tells us that. I believe it was Paul who said "we sow but god gives the increase" and that is because until someone began to question what they believe god does nothing but "stand at the door and knock". That is why god uses man to administer to other man, just crack the "peach seed like shell" spirit can touch the core and bring froth a tree out of it.
  
  I don't say you are forcing your beliefs on anyone, you are doing the same I, putting it in front of people and allowing them to accept or reject it, as far as I can see.
  
  I am not irritated at "Christian's beliefs" because I know it is the established
  order, my only disgust of them is they are "the counsel of the ungodly standing in the way of sinners and sitting in the seat of the scornful" (Psalm 1:1) believing they are the solution and don't know they are the problem.
  
  I voted once in my 72 years, for Jimmy Carter's in the primary, by the time of the November election I was no longer a part of the world's mentality in need of a man leader, god was directing me, the new born baby, and discouraged voting. I was shown "all authority is established by god but the reborn are subject to god alone."
  
  According to the concept of atheism, "there is no creator god" which require a devil, since Isaiah 7:14-16 & 22 say everyone who is left upon the [earth] must forsake those to kings over death and man abhor. Therefore I dub myself as a Atheist-Christian. Because man means "mind able to comprehend all things" and god is all knowing I realize all reborn man returns to being god that the eating from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" killed that ability out of us making us "minds unable to comprehend all things".
  
  Jesus was a reincarnate who, like every other man, had to live every attribute of man known to man of both genders before being led to become another man/god after his spiritual birth, which by his saying one must be born again means somewhere in his childhood he was spiritual born. Personally, I believe he was given a spirit guide as a very early child - like happened to me - but unlike me his upbringing didn't kill it out of him - why moses smote the first rock only once and the second one twice to get the water (wisdom) to flow from it - whereas my upbringing killed it out of me so I had to have a second spiritual birth, the one in 1973-76.
  
  No one configure out how everything is intended [you call right and true] until they have gone through a spiritual rebirthing. This physical world is only a "schoolhouse" to teach everyone, by experiencing them, every attribute any man has ever experience so once we are reborn into whole beings [usually called spiritual] "the comforter will bring all of those things tour remembrance" (John 14:16 & 26).
  
  The above paragraph explains why we have "training wheels" rather than "the reigns to our souls right out of the starting gate," we have to know every potential in man and reincarnating as each one is that means. May sound "Krazy" but that is the established order for earthbound man without any exceptions. That is learned once we are born of the spirit.
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Kathleen Cochranposted 6 years ago
NatulreBoy: From your mouth to God's ears. I've been hearing for years that God's punishment was coming upon America. I think it's here.
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  The0NatureBoyposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  By how I am inspired to interpret the Bible, I KNOW "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth's" punishment is here on the United States of America. [You can look at my hub "The USA In Bible Prophecy" and some of the other prophecies of her.]
  
  Almost every prophecy in the book of Revelation represents the United States except the Revelation 13:11's " And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon." The Americas is in the sea across from the Africa, Asia, Europe landmass, so "another beast coming up out of the earth" would be two nations, I'm supposing, of Europe uniting to bring the finial end to civilization. Based on the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24:32-34 as Isaiah 11:10-12 say "The Root of David" is to be here on or before Israel became nation in 1948 and Psalm 90:10 makes us know 80 years with many troubles will be the passing away of a generation. That sets the date for world's end to be 2028 maximum.
  
  Isaiah 28:9-10 tells us that is how he will reveal to us the proper doctrine.
  
  Peace sister Kathleen,
  Elijah aka NatureBoy
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