Religion and Government -- What the Heck?

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    MakeHimKnown94posted 14 years ago

    Hey there! Okay, so I read this HUGE article a bit ago about the end of Christian America, blah, blah, blah, but it really got me thinking about Religion and Government.

    Now, don't get me wrong, I am a believer in Jesus Christ and I would give my life up for him at this very moment, but honestly... 'Religion' has no place in Government.

    It says in Genesis 1 : 27 that God created us in His image. That means... now don't let this go to your head... that in a sense we are demigods. We have free will, which the angels in heaven don't even have! That's what sets us human beings apart.

    Anyways, what I'm getting at is, if God gave us free will, the option to follow his Word and live in Him or to deny Him, why are some Christian leaders attempting to take away this free will by forcing our government to outlaw unchristian things like abortion or gay marriage?

    Not that I'm encouraging abortion or gay marriage -- they are wrong, and those who do those things will pay the consequences! I'm just saying that it was God's will, to let our decisions be our own. No Catholic priest should decide for us our actions.

    Besides, does God want us to live a righteous life because it's the law, or because it's what we want (to pursue him at all costs!)?

    Am I making sense here?

    1. Paraglider profile image88
      Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, you just dropped in to threaten a few people, yes?

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        MakeHimKnown94posted 14 years agoin reply to this

        No, of course not! I'm simply saying, sin has consequences.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image58
          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          And you have decided what is a sin - and you know the consequences. Awesome - you must be god. lol

          Just yet another religionist telling us what is "wrong."

          And the consequences we will suffer.

          Awesome lol I hope you like a good argument.

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            MakeHimKnown94posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            If you'd like to know what sin is, I suggest you read the Bible : ) It tels you in there. People don't like to trust the Bible because it hits you where it hurts, but the Bible leaves no room for exceptions.

            1. C.Ferreira profile image71
              C.Ferreiraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

              You're right, the bible does not leave any room for exceptions. It is discriminatory and hinders a free spirit. The bible doesn't hurt me, it pisses me off. Why would a person give up all free will to live by all the principles of a man-made book.

              It isn't like the bible was written by god, and everything in it is his word. It was written by man.

            2. Mark Knowles profile image58
              Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

              Sorry darlin' - I do not believe in god. Therefore I am sin free.

              I trust the bible completely. It is a book and that is where you learn things from. Books. More than one.

              Unless someone drops a full copy on my head from a great height, I have nothing to fear from it hurting me. lol

              I am on the other hand - actually offended that some one as young as you has been indoctrinated to spread the hate in this fashion. You clearly have not read or understood the bible.

              This is offensive to some people. Personally - I am not interested in a 15 year old preaching at me.

              Lastly - far as I know - there is a minimum age requirement of 18 years old to be a member here. I suggest you check about that before continuing to spread the good news. lol

        2. Paraglider profile image88
          Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          MakeHimKnown - the problem is, it isn't simple. Sin is only a meaningful concept within a religious framework which many don't accept.

    2. usmanali81 profile image61
      usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If God has given you a will then at the same time God teaches you the good things, discourages you from bad and wants you to be safe from unhealthy stuff like gay marriage etc.

      If a government is based on christianity then its their right to discourage and demote all the forbidden things yet if an indivisual wants to remain on his/her wrong paths then it can be done behind the curtains because anything whether good or bad, if promoted, overwhelms the society with its darkness and then it becomes very difficult to handle and control the BAD which ultimatly affects the one who do not want to be RAPED cool

      1. Paraglider profile image88
        Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        It's an infringement of human rights and dignity to base government on any religion.

        1. usmanali81 profile image61
          usmanali81posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Then it's also a breach of human rights to base government on any ISM like CAPITALISM, SOCIALISM, MARKSISM, ATHEISM smile

          1. Paraglider profile image88
            Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            No argument there. With the possible sole exception of Pragmatism. We should maybe try that for a change.

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Marriage isn't from a religious origin, it is implied that a man and a woman were made to be a pair and have babies and stuff.  That is pretty obvious... I mean that men and woman are supposed to boink together to have babies.

      There is a part of the Bible where Jesus attends a wedding, but as far as a legal and binding agreement between a man and a woman, that is completely a government idea. For purposes of property rights.

      So the government can say what is Constitutional with regards to gay marriage.  I personally don't care.  If two people really want to be contracted by an agreement, I think their marriage is weak to begin with because you just made your partner a contract of property.  I personally can't stand the institution of marriage altogether... by gov. law anyways. Spiritually it's a different matter.

      I don't feel like anyone besides those I let help me make a decision in my life should have any say it in at all but someone always wants so rule us/you and right now all I can see is a decline morally and ethically. 

      Jesus said, "let the righteous going on being made righteous and let the unrighteous go on being unrighteous etc...

      He probably said that because to do otherwise would be to cause a fight that we wont win because our reward is not here.

    4. Make  Money profile image68
      Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I had no idea that MakeHimKnown94 was standing up to the bullies for 4 or 5 days on her own.  She was holding her own too.  God bless her.  It's a shame the bullies feared what she was saying to the point of having her HubPages account closed.  A dastardly deed.  Was that you Mark?

      Yeah governments should get out of the practice of issuing marriage certificates.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image58
        Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        No sweetheart. I had nothing to do with that. I didn't even report her. Maybe she realized she was spreading hate and hypocrisy and closed her own account?

        Who knows? Sometime you have to listen to the inner man. Or in this case the inner 15 year old religious zealot? Only FSM can answer that question. smile

  2. Cla305Judy profile image55
    Cla305Judyposted 14 years ago

    Yes, God did make us all in His own image.  Yes, we do have the freedom to make our own minds up about things. There is a wrong way and a right way. Read the book of Job. We all go through things being taken away from us. The Lord wants us not to turn away from Him. You can also read Daniel.
        It also states in the Bible that the end times are coming and things are going to change. Many will think that the change is good until they find out different. Our government wants to take out our right to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why they are fighting over having God and pray taken out of public places and in our schools. I sign so many different papers to have it stopped.
       You are not wrong with how you feel. Don’t turn away from God just because our government has forgotten what our Nation was built on. There are people that are going to Washington DC in Sept. 2009. I’m one of them. We will be talking to people in our Government about the chooses they are making. I don’t agree with what they are doing. There are some that I do. But when they try to take away the history and God away. I will stand up for what I believe. I maybe only one voice. But my voice will be heard.
       The Bible also states they there will come a time that the unrighteous will have to answer to Him. For the chooses that he or she has done.
       I don’t believe in gay marriages. I have a lot of friends that are gay. I ask them a question. The question goes like this: “ What if God only made two Adams? “ The answer I get is: “ We would not be here.  So why do you think the same sex should be together?” I’m still waiting for that answer. When I get one I’ll let you know.
       The end times are coming. That is why everything is getting out of hand. Keep your eyes on the Lord.

    1. C.Ferreira profile image71
      C.Ferreiraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Do you honestly believe that two human beings just appeared one day? Even with all of the PROOF of evolution?

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      MakeHimKnown94posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      By no means at all am I turning away from the Lord! I just feel that if he gave us free will, why do we think we can take it away from each other? It's a God given right and I don't believe that our government systems should be able to take those things from us!

    3. THE SOUR MAN profile image59
      THE SOUR MANposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well... god didn't make two Adams did he ... never heard of evolution ?

  3. Jewels profile image80
    Jewelsposted 14 years ago

    Where is that Rapture button?  Press it now and be done with it.

  4. David Bowman profile image60
    David Bowmanposted 14 years ago

    Amazingly, some people still manage to believe in a literal creation story.

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    fierycjposted 14 years ago

    MakeHimKnown its gonna be a tough one in here. But here's the thing though, I'll become your fan. How about that?

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      \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  6. Everyday Miracles profile image86
    Everyday Miraclesposted 14 years ago

    Please everyone, before you jump on this one, read her profile!

    1. Misha profile image63
      Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL You mean she sinned by violating the TOS and now should pay the consequences? lol

    2. Make  Money profile image68
      Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It doesn't seem to matter with these characters.

  7. C.Ferreira profile image71
    C.Ferreiraposted 14 years ago

    oh, and some of the best things in life are sins!

  8. David Bowman profile image60
    David Bowmanposted 14 years ago

    Sin is only existent in the mind of someone who believes that they are accountable to a supernatural being. To the non-religious, there is no sin. However, a non-religious person may see actions that have harmful consequences as immoral and something to be avoided as well as spoken out against.

    1. Paraglider profile image88
      Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That's why we have ethics. The shame is that ethics and religion are confused in the minds of people who believe the knowledge of good and bad comes from a god, whereas it is far more likely to be a natural 'side effect' of consciousness.

  9. larenels profile image60
    larenelsposted 14 years ago

    I agree that religion should not govern people. I also believe government shouldn't be telling religion how to function. If we make same sex marriage legal, then they have the right to sue an religion for not marrying them. Is this what we want?

    1. LondonGirl profile image81
      LondonGirlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      A very basic error in logic here. It doesn't follow at all.

      In the UK we have (civil) gay marriages. That has absolutely no effect on religious marriages.

  10. Uninvited Writer profile image78
    Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

    There is that conspiracy theory again...

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    fierycjposted 14 years ago

    Yeah, I noticed her account is closed. Too bad, I kinda liked the kid.

    1. Make  Money profile image68
      Make Moneyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah me too.  It seems that young girls that speak the truth have a knack for melting a heart of stone.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image58
        Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Yeah, poor kid. She emailed me you know - apologizing for being so arrogant and condescending - and going against god's wishes by lying like that. I told her - hey - I cannot forgive you, that is god's job. What a shame. I hope she is OK and gets over her indoctrination. She said she was so upset she was considering a sin. But was now so confused - she wasn't sure what was right or wrong. Turns out she was just repeating what her daddy told her to. Sheesh... sad A real pity. Who knows? Only FSM has the answers.


  12. Make  Money profile image68
    Make Moneyposted 14 years ago

    Yeah right, we believe you Mark where thousands wouldn't. lol

    I'm sure she'll be back sooner or later.


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