what a chance would produce this beauty ?
you may say that beauyt is a relative thing
and I will say everything is relative also
Good point. The evolutionists would have us believe that the plumage evolved *in parallel* with the inclination of the other peacocks to be attracted to such. They assert that at the same time the plumage evolved, the DNA mutated in neighboring birds of the opposite sex such that one found itself attracted to the the other.
So their explanation is two temporally and spatially adjacent independent systems self-assembling in lockstep.
I think it is all about there must be someway creatures have evolved by
they don't know yet but there should be someway
anyway but religions ?
they think it is more reasonable for creatures to evolve in billions of years than being created by an unseen being
The evolutionists premise assumes that life self-assembled over millions of years, not billions. That fact aside, the peacock hasn't been around that long anyhow.
Regardless of when peacocks first appeared, we are asked to believe that the plumage evolved in parallel with the systems that find the plumage attractive. That's my point.
I see ,
so do you think this parallel existence is impossible or we can't know without studying biology further ?
This is a gross distortion of what evolutionists "believe." lol
No wonder you are pushing the whole, "there must have been a creator." Clearly you do not understand evolution one little bit.
There was no separate and "parallel," development, nor was there "two temporally and spatially adjacent independent systems self-assembling in lockstep,"
Put as simply as I can - Peahens developed a preference for peacocks with bright plumage. Probably, but not 100% because these were the dominant males and their plumage appeared more aggressive to potential predators, therefore they were more likely to survive to breeding age and their offspring were more successful. Nothing separate about the preference of peahens for peacocks with bright plumage and the development of brighter plumage on the males.
Hope that explains it a little better.
so you mean the plumage brightness has developed the preference in Peahens and not the other way around
it is like there were many males but only the most beautifule ones won , that's logical
but logic doesn't always happen , does it ?
and niccomp concern was as I understood that how come the preference and the brightness coexist
peobabilty and errors ?? for how many years ??
No. The brightness developed as a way to defeat predators. The ones with the bright plumage survived long enough to breed, and became more successful. The females therefore began to prefer the ones with the brighter plumage. Because they were more successful at breeding and their offspring were therefore more successful.
I will have to take it more scientifically now
Circular logic. Please cite a peer-reviewed source.
Please offer any evidence whatsoever of your magical super being.
With peer reviews. Like it says in the bible.
And if you want to talk about circular logic, I have a great book.
Sure is entertaining - some one like you asking for peer reviews. Will you accept it if I offer some?
You simply cannot conduct a grown-up thread, can you? I tried to deal with you on an adult level, but I don't have the patience anymore.
Have a nice time trolling. If you get your jollies this way, I guess you could do worse.
Sorry - not seeing how you are conducting yourself as an adult here. Merely asking for peer reviews on scientifically accepted information does not count. Please feel free to offer any contradictory evidence if you have any, but assuming that there must be a creator because you do not accept scientific evidence - well - I don't know what to call that. Irrational? Childish? Troll-like? Any of these would do.
Just HOW did you come to this conclusion? Who told you that this was the exact process that led to the current end result? Pure imagination (all of it). Science?
Perhaps a peahen psychologist got it from the birds themselves.
dj - I know this will be a foreign notion to you, but bear with me. This is called, "thinking for yourself." Difficult concept to grasp I know, but you should try it sometime..
I know. Thinking, dreaming, imagining, brainstorming and even learning. But don't disguise it as "science"!
Call a spade a spade. It (the process you described) is pure conjecture, (imagination).
I dreamt up god, you dreamt up peacock-peahen sexual desires. Quite simple, really.
dj - evolutionary development is well documented and we are able to observe the process actually happening. A similar development has been observed in Lion fish.
Who was it that said, "I think, therefore I am"?
Does it work in reverse? "I am, therefore I think"?
Oh, that's right, I am a brainwashed zombie religionist,. .
Who was it that said, "I think, therefore I am"?- The masters.
You cannot imagine an enlightened sate so how will you imagine the Buddha correctly.It is not a mistake to identify yourself with your thoughts and the Buddha was no ordinary man. Every master will say the same thing. Your thoughts create or manifest.
Mohit, if you genuinely had the enlightenment you claim to have, you would understand why identifying yourself with you thoughts is maya.
In order to continue to treat you as enlightened, I will have to assume that there is a translation issue with the word "identify".
To identify with one's thoughts is to believe that one IS one's thoughts. The Buddha clearly did not believe this. Descartes did.
Errrr ... noooooo ... that's not the theory.
If you are going to try to explain evolution, the necessary first step is that you understand the theory.
You clearly don't.
Sexual selection is a different process from natural selection. Read up on both of them, then come back and try again.
Do you think that peacocks' display is for the enjoyment of humans or the attraction of peahens?
I know it helps for attracting a female
may be it's for both and may be for more
So what you are saying is - even though the peacock's display evolved over millions of years to attract a mate, some god actually put it there so we could decide it is beautiful. As opposed to the ugly animals that are there to annoy us?
Or did the bad god make them?
That dog is so ugly it is cute. Maybe God did it so you could learn to love what doesn't look as beautiful as a peacock?
Someone loves that dog and good on them. I would love to have that dog!
I prefer the dog to the peacock actually.
Maybe God created this dog to attract militant atheists.
You don't want to know what I was tempted to write in response to this line!
I couldn't think of a way to say it, without causing (possible)offence, so I sapre you.
I enjoyed my own private joke, at your expense.
Sorry Mark. I still have little respect.
I am not so easily offended, but I am glad you had a laugh at my expense.
That dog proves (yet again) that He's got a sense of humor. I recon He has had a great laugh too!
Why would that offend me? Although - isn't it funny how your invisible super being has exactly the same sense of humor as you do. How odd
There's a serious point here of course. Aka-dj (he'll forgive me for mentioning) is a nice cheerful guy, so his god, in his own image, is a nice cheerful god. The problem comes when violent and aggressive believers similarly observe that their god precisely shares their own preferred flavour of violence and aggression.
According to Norse Myth, the goddess Hera, Zeu's wife used the giant Argus' 100 eyes and decorated the tail feathers of a peacock. Those are the eyes on the peacock's tail, as you can see. Ha!
This is your funniest post to date! God damn that's funny.
ansolute scientific thinking is very important
although , some issues need more than much or less of that thinking
these issues may need emotional thinking as an example but not too much of it
I'm going to have nightmares for ever after seeing that dog!
It so naive and egocentric to think that everything was created especially for you
That dog is 10 times funnier than the Tom Cruise/SP video.
I was in stitches.
For a minute there I thought it was an "alien"."OMG, they really DO exist" ? ! Then I read the "truth", just a dawg. I almost became a believer in ET.
natural selection for peacocks means certain species have been exposed to different environmets untill some indvidual(s) have/has gained this relative beauty to meet females and survive
are there any examples of expected situations these kinds have gone through ? did evolutionists put basic ways for their expectations which are scientifically experimentally examed and explained ?
the only thing they agree at is the main idea of having a variety of species due to natural selection
how did natural selection mechanism come in the first place ?
unless it was the infinite , main and first rule of life
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