~*~OH COME ON NOW! With GOD..."ALL THINGS" are possible? who told you?

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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
Are all things? Really possible?? With GOD???...All things???

Hummm ???

What has HE done to show you this is true?
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you done yet? The only thing not possible it seems with your god is something called unconditional love, acceptance, and peace.
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  Catlynposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now wait a minute, Sandra... Do I detect a sarcastic flavor to your response? Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. God is the author of peace, unconditional love, and acceptance, so how could He deny Himself? BUT, it looks like from your post you are talking about "god" ...little g .... and make no mistake about that, those qualities are questionable with all other gods.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, come again. Your words me nothing to me with all the wars going on.
  
  Your god does not love me without conditions, your god does not accept me for not accepting your god and your god most certainly has never brought peace into the world.
  
  To me your god is a liar. And although you think you "know" the "truth" and are saved by his holy blood thirstiness, but I don't like murderers, liars, frauds, fakes, phonies etc...
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  Catlynposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Makes no difference - GOD can handle your unbelief; in fact none of this surprises HIM .. BUT ... check this out - in spite of all of what you believe and hold dear in your heart, HE still would have died on the cross for you, even if you were the only person on earth ... "You" are the "world" HE so loved
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My God loves you DESPITE any conditions! My God ACCEPTS you just the way you are! And God is not the one who destroys peace in this world. Man is.
  
  Your perception of God has been diluted by this world. You have allowed your own obstinance to cloud your judgement. You hate, as the world hates. This is evident in the venom you used to describe Him.
  
  God is the exact polar opposite of the way you are now perceiving Him. God loves, yes. But He is JUST. Man will pay for his sinful nature and this is not something God really wants to do, but as a JUST God, He must do.
  
  Would a judge on a bench be any less accountable?
  
  We accept those punishments as part of a normal, dignified society. We need justice and order to balance things out and afterall, isn't it right?
  
  Yet when God is said to punish, He is called unloving, or "mean". Like little kids you are. So happy and content to do whatever you want with no real responsibility or least of all, ACCOUNTABILITY.
  No, I guess you might think it's easier to just choose to not believe. That way you can on living your sinful lives and blaming God for everything!
  
  Much easier I suppose to have a "scape-goat" like God to blame everything on! "Oh wah! My life sucks!" "Oh wah! The world is not perfect! It's all God's fault!"
  
  Like you who know so much about the universe could do sooooo much better! haha Don't make me laugh!
  
  Man! And when I think about my teenager,..No wonder I have such a hard time getting through his thick skull about things! when God Himself has such a hard time getting through yours!
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  XTASISposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It sounds pretty angry to me
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you a prophet?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know THE TRUTH, HE IS THE PROPHET
  
  HE is ALL in ALL too.
  
  HE is THE BEGINNING and THE END
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So god is a prophet now?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't you know ? A pro -fet : pro fetishist
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  GOD is infinitely more than we can fathom.
  
  Prophet, High Priest, King of kings, Savior, Creator, Redeemer, Commander, Comforter, Life Giver, ALL Glorious, Without Fear...
  
  Just to name a few.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you chosen to know the truth by God?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HE chose me, I did NOT choose HIM.
  
  What HE chose me for is HIS business.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Has he made any money yet?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What does God tell you to do?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Speak the truth.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yours or his?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is ONLY ONE TRUTH and it is NOT mine
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's pretty obvious !
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is obvious to me that ONE TRUTH is THE TRUTH and it belongs to GOD
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  C ?... U don't have it ! LOL
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Never said I did....just pointing to THE TRUTH...I am not stupid enough to say I have ALL truth, only a fool would do that.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only a fool would claim to have any truth for everyone.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I guess when you tell your children the truth on a matter, you are a fool then.
  
  Like "do not play on the freeway, you will die"
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sad.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know THE TRUTH and THE TRUTH is the ultimate reality, it is the whole of logic, it is without a lie, it is all knowing, it has no fears, it has no needs, it sees all and answers to nobody, it's wisdom cannot be comprehended, nor it's understanding grasped.
  
  So You know the truth! Where is it ?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I already told you and you do not believe.
  In fact, if HE told you HIMSELF, you would not believe.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  TRY
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have been given enough for now, enough to think about.
  God confounds the wise with the foolish things of the world.
  
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have 2 think about anything, so why don't you try?!
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you do not need to think about anything, then I will not try. Up until now, you seemed to be thinking.
  
  You are free to not think.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Congrats !!! your 2nd point. ROFL
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good, then I do not believe you.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That IS...your choice, THE TRUTH will NOT be changed by it.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...or you....
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So God talks to you?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I listen, goes for anyone, I am not special.
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  Bibowenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Christian church does not teach that God can do anything. Rather it says that he is omnipotent, that is, all power resides with Him. But saying that all power resides with Him is not the same thing as saying He can do anything. God would never do anything that is inconsistent with His character.
  
  Could God create a married bachelor? A square circle? He cannot do the logically impossible.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He gave you breath.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is one reason why I believe in HIM
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kmackey32posted 14 years ago
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I answered your post on my other forum where you said you break all the commandments.
  
  Here was your comment on how many you can break.
  "kmackey32
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  Oh all of them..... lol"
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  The reply was:
  
  Hummm???...."All of them"
  
  Well OK...so you have sex with your children?
  
  Sex with animals?
  
  With your parents?
  
  You murder?
  
  Steal too?
  
  Lie?
  
  Hummm???? That would be some of them, you said all, please complete the list will you?
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
GOD confounds the wise with the foolish things of this world.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then God has confounded you heavily.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It says "GOD confounds the wise with the foolish things of this world."
  
  I never claimed to be wise, so no need to be confounded by a fool.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  but not you right?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If one does not claim to be wise, then one does not need to be confounded.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The foolish act is you telling others what their truth is.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you tell your children the truth?
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you tell your children a lie?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not your child.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You said "the foolish act is you telling others..."
  
  Are your children not others?
  And you, not the greatest sphere of influence upon them?
  
  Do they not qualify as others?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Would you want your children to be robotic of you having all of your same beliefs?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do you tell your children the truth about?
  
  Pick a subject....no answers?
  
  Do you not know the truth about anything?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like your other assumptions that you enjoy making, you are assuming that I have children.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  " I'm a former Marine. I'm married and I have a baby boy on the way."
  How about when he arrives?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will teach him how to survive and the truth of people like you that try to persuade everyone to have their same belief. I will teach him to individualize to become his own person rather than live his entire life as a follower.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well then, teach him not to FOLLOW you and his mother while you are busy teaching him NOT to follow.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You clearly don't understand individualization. You can teach someone to be an individual without them following "belief". You provide them with them what you know and what others know and give them choice. You don't force their belief or do you not know this?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So now, you WILL NOT FORCE your son to FOLLOW you and your instructions?
  You obviously KNOW NOTHING about being a parent.
  
  When exactly do you stop the child from FOLLOWING you and your wife?
  
  You are obviously very young still.
  
  I believe I have children your age and trust me, you will make them at some point FOLLOW your instructions.
  
  When your child wants to make his own "CHOICE" to do something that will kill him, trust me...if you are to stupid to stop him, his mother will do it for you and for her and for him.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol you clearly do not comprehend. I said I wouldn't force my child to have my same belief. I didn't say I wouldn't raise my child to be responsible and independent.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So now, do you teach a child how to be responsible and independent by telling them the truth or a lie?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The truth. My truth is, I don't know the "why's" of our existance and I am humble enough to admit this. You "assume" to know all truth. What do you consider a lie?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  NOPE, I have NEVER said "I know all truth"...
  
  I have always maintained that THE TRUTH knows all TRUTH and has no lie within.
  
  I have also stated that I am NOT THE TRUTH
  
  Nice try, but no truth to your assumption.
  
  You have already stated that you have "given up on me"...so move along Marine.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I give up on everyone that gives up on themselves. You have clearly given up on yourself.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then give up
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
I know THE TRUTH and THE TRUTH is the ultimate reality, it is the whole of logic, it is without a lie, it is all knowing, it has no fears, it has no needs, it sees all and answers to nobody, it's wisdom cannot be comprehended, nor it's understanding grasped.

your words
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
The question stands.

Do you tell your children the truth?
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
You said "the foolish act is you telling others..."

Are your children not others?

And you, not the greatest sphere of influence upon them?

Do they not qualify as others?
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
You said "the foolish act is you telling truth to others..."

Are your children not others?

And you, not the greatest sphere of influence upon them?

Do they not qualify as others?

You see, if you say I do not tell them the truth, then you lie to them.

If you say you do tell the them truth, then you have to admit that it is not foolish to do so.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, The only thing I can guess is that you are thinking of what to write before even reading what another has to say. This is the only way you could miss seeing that "I do not have children".
  
  Your foolish act is telling other adults what to believe as truth.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You said "the foolish act is you telling truth to others..."
  
  You did not say as you just did
  
  "Your foolish act is telling other adults what to believe as truth."
  
  So... ONLY adults are others? Not your child, when he comes?
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
You said "the foolish act is you telling truth to others..."

Then you said this “I will teach him how to survive and the truth about...”

So you seem to have a bit of a predicament.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I will teach him how to survive and the truth of people like you that try to persuade everyone to have their same belief. I will teach him to individualize to become his own person rather than live his entire life as a follower.
  
  Quote the whole thing next time.
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
I stumbled upon this topic and find it mostly interesting..some of it rediculous but for the most part, interesting. The thing I find most interesting is that people still insist on having debates on the exsistance of The God. The debate started out as an unbeliever questioned the "All things possible..." But really it is a question on if you believe in Him or not, not what He can do or we can do through Him.

Truth be told, inherantly in all of us is a belief in God. From the time we breath our first breath of life. whether you "choose" later to acknowledge or accept Him or not. And that is really the operative term there, ACCEPT.

Jesus said, That it is acceptance and belief in Him that saves you. It is your choice and your decision to accept Him or not. Free will is a gift. God did in fact has chosen all of us, individually to exsist, but it is our own free will and choices that dictate whom we will serve and what we believe. This brings us to the age of accountability. The age when we know right from wrong.

It is true our parents raise us under their own set of values, morals and yes, beliefs. But take into consideration if you will the young artist. Who began painting at the age of three. She had been raised into an atheistic family. None of them had even gone to church before. And yet somehow, she knew about God. She began painting portraits of heaven, angels and Jesus. She is still doing this to this day. She was featured on Oprah and has a website, though it escapes me right now.
Her parents could not believe what she was doing. The fact she was so talented was over shadowed to them by WHAT she was painting. she said she had visions of these things and just knew because GOD spoke to her.
How can any of you explain this?
Certainly her parents could not.

As far as the what started this topic (All things possible...)
Now, if you want to twist the Word and make it into something it isn't,.. than that is what is called creating a "false" religion or belief.
To characterize God in any manner not consistant with the Word of God (Bible), than you are in your own mind creating a "false" God. He is who He is.

You can CHOOSE to believe this or not. We as Christians choose to believe in not only God but satan as well. We believe and know that he, satan, is the father of lies and sets out into the world to deceive it. He tries to pervert the word of God. He even tried this with Jesus Himself. He tried to question the validity of God to Jesus by saying to him things like, "Well if your God can save you from this, (speaking of course to the crucifiction), why doesn't he?" Satan was instrumental in using the actions and words of people to question this as well. But no real power is given to satan unless authorized by God Himself and implemented by those who give into him. such as with the case of Job.

Job's friends thought that he wasn't faithful enough to God and that God was punishing him for something bad in his life. God showed Job that this was not the case and rebuked his friends for spreading this lie and trying to deceive him. God has shown us through the many stories in the Word, that there are those through the generations that have come to deceive His believers.

But it is through faith we believe. Let me ask you all something..
You go into your dining rooms or kitchens and sit down on your chairs. Do you question the chair? Do you stand there for a time and wonder if it will support you or not? No, to the contrary, you simply sit down. That is faith. You have faith in the craftmanship of the chair. All God wants, is for us to have that same faith in Him. For us, to just put as much faith in Him as we do some old piece of furniture.

As far as the comments about war and the like, it is simple. Jesus said it Himself "I come not to bring peace but a sword". Jesus knew His very presence in this world would bring about controversy. He forewarned us about it because He knew there would be those even in our own families who would not believe and thus cause conflict.
But as far as "man made" wars, they are just that. We choose the ways of the world and we will die by the ways of the world. Sin has consequences. Just as breaking the law does. God has laws, man has laws. But the biggest difference in the two is this, God is JUST, where man isn't! God is CONSISTANT, where man isn't!

So, in conclusion, you can debate with christians all day long and misconstrued the Bible, like you really know it, til the cows come home. But truth, is truth and you can neither run or hide from it under a veil of deception. God's burden is easy and His yoke light.
What it boils down to is this, if I choose to believe in my God, and I, on that day when my body is no more, and I were to be proven wrong, then I was wrong, no harm, no foul. But if you who are doubting, and choosing NOT to believe are wrong, then what???
what is it that you are going to say to the author and finisher of your life?? Are you still going to argue and debate these issues with the one who created you? By the sound of this thread...Maybe! LOL
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There's also a third option. After you die you find out you have been worshiping the wrong deity.
  
  Besides, how does one believe in something when everything logical and commonsensical tells them it is false? I can't make myself do that.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Who said that I was an unbeliever???
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Why are you so scared?

Oh, and by the way it is rIdiculous, not rEdiculous.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL I find that funny, that out of all that writing you just had to point that out.
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world of the wiseposted 14 years ago
If any one is doubting, let him/her touch the screen and i pray, be prepared for a miracle
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
I can't really seriously read all what you put there, but I do see you are scared, and you are trying to scare me too
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Scared??? LOL That's funny too. Fear is the exact opposite of my faith. I don't fear as a result of my faith. With my God, there are absolutes. With Him, I am absolutely certain of my future. I know where I am going. How can there be fear with anything like that?
  
  You assume I have fear because of the truth I wrote about. Yes, I know there are those christians out there who preach all day long on the, PEACE you have with God, and the "worry free lifestyle", but the truth is, when you speak of those things to people they then, "try God on for size" so to speak. They agree to accept Him thinking their lives will become somehow free from problems. That's why I spoke of the truth!
  
  The truth is yes, God loves you. The truth is Yes, Jesus saves you. But he never once promised us a perfect life here. The only perfection is with Him. And there is only one way to get to Him, and that is through your faith in Jesus Christ.
  
  So, why then, would it be "scary" to believe in someone who loved you so much that he would endure the suffering He did for you?? Why would it be scary to know that someday we will be reunited with loved ones who have passed on? Why would it be scary to worship the God who created you?
  
  No, I am sorry you were mistaken in your words. I have no fear.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
So you even don't realize that you are scared?

Poor thing...

I will pray for you, to THE ONLY TRUE GOD, so he opens your eyes.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL So, let me get this straight.
  You are going to pray to GOD that he opens my eyes to fear?
  Mister, let me tell it to YOU straight!
  
  I love and am loved by my God. In that love there is NO FEAR! I walk assuredly by my faith! I do not fear whatever happens in this life since I know MY GOD is with me! I Do not fear the next life since I know where I am going!
  
  You say, I am scared but have yet to submit what it is you think I am afraid OF.
  
  If I have no reason to fear, I then, am not afraid.
  You make no points to your conclusions.
  
  I do not believe in My God because I fear death or life. I chose to believe in my God becuase I want a relationship with my creator. Because I love and appreciate Him! Because time and time again, He has shown me great love. I can do nothing but show Him great love in return.
  
  I happily and gratefully accepted His Grace and in His grace, I live without fear.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, you misunderstood, or I was not clear enough, sorry.
  
  Open your eyes that the deity you are worshiping now is the wrong deity, the deity of fear.
  
  Do you fear the Hell? You do! Why do you think you will go to heaven? Only 144000 were accepted there, long ago. You are being lied to, poor thing... You will go to hell
  
  Unless you open your eyes to the only true religion of course!
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, you misunderstand.
  I do not fear hell, because I know I will not be going there. And the Bible is very clear about 144,000 (poor dear). That number represents the 12 tribes of Judea that will come to know the truth about the Messiah. Read it! It does not represent that only 144,000 people will be going to heaven!
  Are you Jewish??
  So, by that statement you made, you believe that only the tribes of Judea will be with Him? I believe that does not represent you then!
  
  Your "religion" is a false one if you believe that. Man through the centuries has just taken snips of the Bible and twisted it to create their own versions of the truth.
  Reality is, Jesus said it best "Lest a man be born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven". I am born again sir. Therefor, I'm going!
  case closed and satan's a liar!
  
  If you wish to argue the point further, argue it with God, He wrote the Rule book!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which language did he write it in?
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Holy Spirit inspired the word of God. It is written in the language of us all through that Spirit.
  
  Are you now going to Debate the validity of The Bible?
  
  I take this debate much as I do the debate people have over the constitution of the United states.
  People have misconstrued it over the centuries and debated it's contents in much the same way. Yet one thing is clear, it was written.
  
  We can debate the issues held within, but it is what it is. Our founding fathers wrote it as a guide for by which we have the rights and principals we have.
  
  The Bible is written for much the same purpose. It is a guide to our faith. It is a Rule book on which to govern our own personal spiritual relationship with God Himself.
  
  We can choose to believe it is and was inspired by His Holy Spirit or not. You can choose to believe it is in fact, God's words to His people, or not. Your choice all the way there.
  
  I choose to believe it is His Word. I choose to live my life in the freedom of knowing who I am in Christ through it.
  You on the other hand, may not.
  
  So, you say, I am not the 144,000 mentioned in it, so, I am not included in going to Heaven, because I do not believe in your religion. fine. Whatever.
  I choose to believe the way I do and you have chosen the path you have.
  I guess in the end we will both know, right?
  
  Until that happens I will keep you in my prayers. I will pray that God show you His awesome love that supercedes all! Even more than just the 144,000 "lucky Lottery winners" you seem to be a part of!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course not. Who in the right mind would debate the validity of absolutely invalid piece of mistranslated text?
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ahhh, another piece of the puzzle is revealed...
  "absolutely invalid piece of mistranslated text?"
  Absolutely???
  and you draw your conclusions because...
  Oh, thats right, you have read every piece of litterature ever written and of course, you were a witness to it being written and of course, you know the mind and will of God?
  
  well, to make an absolute statement like you have just done, you must.
  Or you can just agree that because you have not read everything every written and were not there to witness it being written and do not know the mind and will of MY GOD, that you do not in fact, not know whether it is valid or not.
  
  which leaves the plausible conclusion that it is in fact valid. and until you can conclusively show me proof to the contrary, your point goes nowhere
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
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Logical??
Ok, so I go out and I take some leaves which had fallen on the ground and I line them up in a single row. You come along and see me there straing at my "art". lol
What thought comes to mind??
Perhaps a question?
Like, "hey, Amy? Why did you line all those leaves up like that?"
Maybe? Right?
And why would ask such a thing?

Maybe it's because your mind reasoned, logically, that those leaves didn't just fall that way on their own. You reason that nothing in "nature" just happens like that. There was an order to how the leaves were placed. You know the line made by them had been "created".

Such is my belief in God. I reason, logically, that there are so many things in nature that are so completely and obviously created, that there must be a creator.

My Bible teaches me that, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, The evidence of things, not seen."

You see a beautiful painting, you know there must have been an artist to paint it, right? Have you seen the artist? Do you know him or her? Did you see the artist creating the work of art? Then how do you know there was one?

We are all I am sure, well familliar with the art of Picasso. Were you around when he was painting? No? Then how do you know he really painted? Ohhh, because someone wrote stories about him, historians wrote books about him. And so, you came to BELIEVE that he in fact exsisted and painted.

Well, just apply the same principals there to God.

even more than that, try this:
Ok, let's say you say you're an atheist. Do you know for absolute surety there is no God?
If you answer yes, then you must know all there is to know in the universe and beyond. Do you assert that?
My guess is probably, no.
So then you cannot possibly reason with surety that there is no God.
My point I will prove here:
If I said to you, "I know that there are no diamonds in China." That is an absolute statement. And in making that statement true, I would have had to have researched everything there is to know about china and all the people who live there. I would have had to searched everywhere in China. Looked under rocks and in homes, on the hands of women there and in there jewelery boxes and the like.
having never done so, I could not make that absolute statement.
I might believe that there were no diamonds in China, but knowing for certain, I could not.
So then, I would have to agree that I just did not know if there were diamonds in China or not. Which is a far cry from asserting there were none.

Now you have just gone from a devout atheist, to someone who just isn't certain.
Until any of you non-believers can come up with absolute proof of the non-exsistance of God, I will choose to believe in HIm.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who told you I'm an atheist? Spit in his eye! I believe in the only true God, and he already proved his existence to me touching me with His Noodly Appendage! I will pray for him touching you, albeit you don't really deserve it in your utter ignorance, and should be deprived of spaghetti!
  
  BTW, I think you meant principle, not principal.
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XTASISposted 14 years ago
We only have to see the poverty, the misery, the hunger, the wounde, etc. not to mention all the handycuped children that are born, to realize tha God doesn't exist. How a creator could so mean as to destroy its creation this way ?
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Could be because people have a choice and we have allowed sin into the world. The bible teaches that satan is the god of this world beacause dear old Adam and Eve gave it over to him via the apple. Now, if you don't believe, that's fine and your choice. You will find out the truth one day!
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God destroying His creation??
  Man is destroying the creation God made for him. sometimes things happen in life that we cannot understand. Even to the point of making us doubt in the very God that made us. But, God has a plan for all.
  
  People suffer for many reasons. And it is not exclusively due to God "punishing" them, or God "destroying" them. God loves us. He cares for us. He wants the best for us. But sometimes people suffering is for the purpose of God allowing us to see the suffering, to see the pain we cause oursleves.
  
  God's plan was for us to be perfect and live perfectly. But yes, sin came into the world due to tha fall of man. Thus, sin corrupted what was to be a perfect world.
  God designed it that way. He gave man the gretaest of all gifts, Free Will.
  
  He did this so man would have a choice to choose Him or not. God wants for us to be willing to love Him and serve Him.
  
  Think about it this way, if you are married that is, you choose your spouse most often. And most often except when that practice is not given, you would rather it.
  
  Do you think it is better to have your spouse "choose" to love you, or to have your spouse be forced to love you? Would it not make your love insincere if we were all just mindless machines programmed to love? If we were all just designed with the same mindset to submit and worship?
  
  Or does it make that love, that submission, that worship, much more genuine if we "choose" to do it?
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XTASISposted 14 years ago
I pray to be touched! I want to learn what the truth is! Pleeeaaaseee
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Divine intervention only works for the favored. You aren't favored.
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  XTASISposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your kind words
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol I was just kidding. I was simply making the point that those will only use divine intervention when something good happens, never when something bad. I do not rule out a creator/creators, but I believe they don't intervene or innocent lives would be saved instead of "God has a reason for everything".
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  XTASISposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats why I don't believe...maybe in this spaguetti whatever
  
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe religion, but I am not convinced on whether or not there is no reason or purpose. I can't think of anything that doesn't have a reason or purpose.
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  XTASISposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I can : quietnessandtrust
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  His reason/purpose is to allow us to see inside of the mind of a follower. There is a robotic belief at times closed to intelligent thought or debate.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  JESUS DIDN'T BELIEVE IN RELIGION EITHER - HE BELIEVED IN RELATIONSHIPS.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Does he believe in prophets? I don't.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Another reason why I believe in HIM.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  “lol I was just kidding. I was simply making the point that those will only use divine intervention when something good happens, never when something bad. I do not rule out a creator/creators, but I believe they don't intervene or innocent lives would be saved instead of "God has a reason for everything".
  “I don't believe religion, but I am not convinced on whether or not there is no reason or purpose. I can't think of anything that doesn't have a reason or purpose.”
  
  "God has a reason for everything".
  
  ??? Instead of ???
  
  "I can't think of anything that doesn't have a reason or purpose.”
  
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Come on, we don't turn down anybody, Marine.
  
  XTASIS, you can start your journey here http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Church-Of-T … ti-Monster
  
  or here http://hubpages.com/profile/Spaghetti+Monster
  
  There is no guarantee of course, if you put your heart into it, chances are you will be touched.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The favored???
  XTASIS, let me say this to you:
  God says in His word, "I am no RESPECTOR of persons". He doesn't "value" one life over another. God works miracles for the saved and un-saved equally. It is by HIS WILL, not our own! If you are seeking you will find. Knock and the door will open!
  
  I was living a sinful life. I was doing drugs, partying with my friends and so on. I had been raised once upon a time, in a christian home. I had the foundation, but had walked away from God.
  My son was born on July 3rd in 1993. He seemed relatively healthy at the time. I took him home the following day. I noticed the next day that his skin appeared, yellowish in color. My thought was jaundice.
  I took him to the ER and he was admitted for jaundice on that day. They told me he would be there for aprox. 9 days.
  
  On day 3 of his admittance, I received a phone call from the nurse on duty. She explained that my son would be air lifted to U of M medical center. His Platelette count had dropped dangerously low. What I had found out later is that by even so much as touching his delicate skin he could have started bleeding to death!
  I went into hysterics! I cried and cried like I have never cried before. Still do, when thinking about it.
  
  The nurse went on to say that they needed my signature on papers for him to fly there with him. Taking an ambulance was not an option since he needed attention right away.
  
  I had some friends take me right away as I had no family there in the state where I was living. On the way we made a quick stop at my former pastors house. I had called him right after hearing the news and immediately they put my son on a "prayer chain". some of the congregation had prayed over a "prayer cloth" at his home and they wanted me to have it.
  
  I got to the hospital and a doctor who had flown in with the crew came to see me. She sat there on the couch next to me in the waiting room and held myh hand while she explained what was happening. They did not know what was causing the platelette count to drop.
  
  I cried some more and noticed she was starting to cry with me. I told her all I wanted to know was that, he would be alright. Then she said softly and with a quiver in her voice, "all we can do is pray at this point Amy."
  
  I got the chance to see my son in the incubator as the flight crew was taking him away. I handed them the prayer cloth. With tears streaming down my face, I told my son, to be strong and that I said a prayer.
  
  while in the car, on the way to the hospital, all I could do was cry. I thought, "why is this happening to me?" "why, can't my family be here?", "Why, are you doing this to me, God??"
  I was sitting in the backseat and my friend who in the passengers seat up front tried to console me the best way she could.
  
  All of sudden out of nowhere I heard a voice. And I mean to tell ALL of you, avoice as clear as my own! Not in your head, like some would think but an audible voice from outside. It said very clearly, "Your faith will heal your son!"
  Three times it said this to me. And I mean loud and clear!
  
  Immediately, my tears froze. and my friend's husband who was driving, got startled by the silence. He turned to my friend and said, "Is amy alright? I can't hear her crying anymore."
  
  My friend looked back and there I sat, dumb founded. I was in shock. lol
  She asked if I was alright and I nodded.
  
  We got the hospital and went into NNICU. There he was sleeping. His little heart monitor beating and his little eyes covered with "goggles" as he was stillunder the bilirubin lights.
  I looked and there attached with a safety pin to the ear of the yellow stuffed bunny my mom had sent me for him was the prayer cloth. The flight crew attached it to it on the flight over.
  
  Sitting above him was a little fisher price tape recorder playing children's christian music. Looking at him and not with a single tear left, I recalled the words that came to me. "Your faith will heal your son!"
  
  Well, I am most glad to annouce that my son, is now 16 and the biggest football player you have seen in your life! LOL
  
  The docotrs were amazed by his fast recovery. They had to do surgery but never once in all the month that he was there did he have any difficulties breathing or anything! He ate just fine and slept just fine the whole time.
  
  Being very sick with a massive infection he had to have several dosages of platelette but he was fine.
  
  So, that statement about Divine intervention only for the "favorable" is bull hockey! lol
  And all the doubting Thomas' on here are hocking bull as well!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Glad your son turned out well.
  
  If you got a message saying faith would heal your son, why even take your son to the doctor and use "science/medicine"? Why not just have relied on faith rather than science?
  
  Have fun writing a logical explanation to that.
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XTASISposted 14 years ago
Man is the creation of God, so God is destroying his creation through Man. Don't you say that Man is created in the like of God?...Well, it's all said then
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XTASISposted 14 years ago
Why are you so angry ? God doesen't love you anymore ?
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  who me?
  Did I come across angry? I did not think so, but if it appears to you that way, then, oh well.
  
  And ya, really cute and mature to add the, "God doesn't love you anymore?" question.
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
For a minute I will say, I was a bit not angry, but, frustrated.
don't get me wrong, I do get angry sometimes. But not in this case.
Just frustrated with ignorance of some people.

I just cannot see why it is that some people would "Use" God as an excuse for what's wrong in the world. Rather than accepting responsibility for it themselves.

I think it's persumptuous and rather RUDE to insult our creator about not doing His job right, without even really knowing what His job is!

I guess God should be like a magic genie in a bottle that we rub when we want something.

Man messes everything up and then blames God for it. How rude is that?
And How persumptuous it is, that we might think we know better than Him!

So, forgive me, if that comes across as "angry". It is not meant to.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it must be frustrating when people do not understand that you have the answer - no matter how useless that answer is.
  
  I understand why you get angry. And it comes across how angry you are.
  
  Does it help when you get angry at your thick headed teenager for not understanding that you have all the answers?
  
  Perhaps if you banged them into him harder? I don't know - a whip? Would that help?
  
  Nice to see you speak for god as well. You must be very proud......
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Useless??
  And you think because I stand up for what I believe in, that I am trying to "pound" that into anybody???
  Look, I don't have to pound anything!
  
  The truth is the truth! It stands for itself!
  And as far as my son is concerned,
  Sir, do not even presume to know you know anything whatsoever about my life, my son or how I talk to him!
  
  My point to that was that, even with our kids we try to reason with them and they do not listen.
  
  Being the "all knowing" teens that they are, they know everything and you can tell them nothing.
  
  Do you have any kids? And if so, what ages? Because I am sure you have never had one of them do a single thing you disapproved of right??
  
  Whatever
  
  Like I said, I get tired of people whining that God doesn't do this or God doesn't do that. And All I can say is "Grow up!"
  
  Kids in much the same way are this way with us as parents. They whine about not getting their way, or how unfair we are. Yet we supply them with love, attention, a roof over their head, food in their mouths and instruction.
  
  And in response to your "whip" commment...
  I supppose you encourage your children to explore their world through love and understanding and that they just think you're the best gone dog daddy in the world! HAHAHAHAHAHA
  
  By the way, I let my son read your response and he burst out laughing!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You will certainly not hear me whining about your non-existent invisible super being.
  
  I was only commenting on your statement:
  
  "Man! And when I think about my teenager,..No wonder I have such a hard time getting through his thick skull about things! when God Himself has such a hard time getting through yours!"
  
  Thank you for pointing out that we are all as stupid as your teenage son for not listening to your useless arguments. Yes - useless. sorry - your beliefs are garbage, your logic nonexistent, and your assumptions insulting.
  
  The truth is the truth?
  
  Yes - it is - and you do not have it.
  
  Now grow up and stop pushing your useless garbage at everyone.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pushing??
  
  I do believe this is a forum used for the purpose of adding personal opinions on subjects.
  
  I have never in one single post, "pushed" as you say my beliefs. I have said time and time again, they are my beliefs. I have not forced any of you to read my posts nor respond to them.
  
  I do believe however, that you find offense to my post's and responding accordingly. which is fine. But, if I do in fact need to "stop spreading my useless garbage", then you sir, should too!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not angry at all. No pushing. Or was it god saying that?
  
  Useless. So useless, that you cannot even hear yourself.
  
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  XTASISposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look this is a pointless argument Idon't believe and you do . But you can't say I'm a sinner,because I don't believe in Sin. I'm happy if you're a believer and that's good for you. For me what's good is another thing. Can't you cope with that ? Have a nice Sunday
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Buck Wheatposted 14 years ago
THIS FOOLISH DISCUSSION MAKES HIM ANGRY. END THIS BLASPHEMY NOW SERVANTS OF THE FALSE GOD; THE DAY OF HIS RETURN DRAWS NIGH.
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  XTASISposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So look who's here ! the crying cheff
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
"Thank you for pointing out that we are all as stupid as your teenage son for not listening to your useless arguments. Yes - useless. sorry - your beliefs are garbage, your logic nonexistent, and your assumptions insulting."

________________________

I in no way said any of the people on here were stupid! And I NEVER said my son was Stupid either!!
Whether it was for not listening to me or not.

I said, that you among others were being just as "thick headed" as (he is when not listening to me), when it comes to listening to GOD! Get my words straight if are to quote them, please.
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atomswifeyposted 14 years ago
I'm bored with all the stupidity now

so......BYE
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago

The question in this forum is below and it seems that we have moved away from trying to answer it. So I will ask that we direct our answers back to the question

OH COME ON NOW! With GOD..."ALL THINGS" are possible? who told you?
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tantrumposted 14 years ago
It looks as we've all moved on. You should do the same. Bye !
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'll man my post.
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago

Interesting assumption here:

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“The debate started out as an unbeliever questioned the "All things possible..."”

How does this question imply that I am an unbeliever?

OH COME ON NOW! With GOD..."ALL THINGS" are possible? who told you?

Could I be asking just to find out if believers knew the answer?
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
The non-spiritual self, just as it is by nature, can't receive the gifts of God's Spirit. There's no capacity for them. They seem like so much silliness. Spirit can be known only by spirit—God's Spirit and our spirits in open communion. Spiritually alive, we have access to everything God's Spirit is doing, and can't be judged by non-spiritual critics. Isaiah's question, "Is there anyone around who knows God's Spirit, anyone who knows what he is doing?" has been answered: Christ knows, and we have Christ's Mind and Spirit.
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
Good-night
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