Does this image prove - beyond all doubt - that God does not exist and that the Bible story...
cannot be true?
Look very carefully at this picture. It was taken by the Hubble Space Telescope (a true miracle of the modern age). The light from some of the galaxies shown here has been travelling through space for 13.1 billion years to reach us here on planet Earth. The Solar System: by comparison, is approximately 4.5 billion years old (a figure arrived at by radio carbon dating meteorites).
Creationists calculate the age of the Heavens and the Earth to be only several thousands of years. Now if this was true then this image has to be a forgery.
Which is it to be?
Wow, that is a gorgeous picture and I have no doubt it is real!
As for the rest of your question, I plan on coming back to see the heated debate!
I'll be on the sidelines with my grill !!!
Creationists? You know that there are at least two camps. The one that sticks to the literal 6000 years you refer to, and the more realistic ones who accept the possibility that God created the universe billions of years ago, but created man 6000 years ago.
And just so you know, science is only fact until new science pokes holes in it. We are constantly finding out that we are wrong in our science. We constantly rewrite science to keep up with new findings. And carbon dating....that is about as reliable as a lie detector test to get at the truth. It is a known fact that the older something is, the more likely that carbon dating will give bad results.
For example, do you know about the Oak Island Mystery? In the attempt to discover what lies in the pit, a hole was drilled to obtain samples. The samples were carbon dated. Some were hundreds of years old, some thousands, and some were from the future. So much for science. Their answer to this discrepancy...a nuclear source in the pit is affecting the results. So, if this is true, and it probably is, any radiation source can affect carbon dating. Wow, don't we live in a world full of radiation energy from the sun, uranium in the oceans and land, and other sources? We are not smart enough to date things based on a radiation signature. There are variables out there we can't calculate into the formula.
Answer: The creationists who adhere to the 6000 year old creation could be right. Who knows if that stuff out there is anything more than an illusion? We have pictures of ghosts and monsters too, but do you think that they are really here? Just because we have a photo of something, doesn't mean it is what we think that it is. I personally believe that the universe is real, but I think God is also real. If you ever experience something that defies science, a miracle, you'll believe too.
As for the time-line of creation, it is a worthless argument. No serious Christian will try to put a time-line on creation any more than they will try to put a date on the end of the world. I suppose that Dec 12, 2012 is the end, right? Lots of people believe that.
That image proves that there's a lot of stars in the sky . . . . . . LOTS!
This proves or dis- proves nothing. The creationists may have got their timing wrong. Maybe there is an element [gas] outside of our galaxy that distorts all the scientists measurements. Assuming you are right and these lights have taken so long to reach us, how do we know that they were not all destroyed, by God, 6000 years ago, when he created a new universe?
Nice photo though.
there is certainly a God who made this marvelous piece of perfect art ) !
I don't think the image proves anything, I have no doubt that the picture is real, but I don't think something like that could prove or disproved the idea of "God"
Woww.... wat a question..... well when i studied a lot about sapce n stars n gallaxies etc etc....thn me too found the existence of God blurring.....but many times in ur life u'll be able to feel something more than wat is definable....n that is called God....
To be able to understand that this picture exists is pleasure enough, isn't it?
As far as disproving God, can't be done. As far as proving God, can't be done.
As far as creationists and the foolish idea that God would fool us with fossils, carbon dating and scientific knowledge--I think you got my drift.
The fact that the earth is at all suits me just fine--God or no God--we are alive and more importantly we can ask questions like this--hopefully without destroying the blue marble in the process due to arguments over God, Allah, etc.
In Genesis it says in the beginning God created the heavens and earth--it certainly doesn't say when--so why anyone sticks to the 6000 year flawed concept is not using real logical thought.
Another thing, the poetic writings of the bible are literature--not all literal. The time factor for anything is easily solved by the poetry in the old testament...a day is as a thousand years to the infinite one...whatever God is, or isn't, he/she doesn't look at time in a linear fashion.
Great picture and good topic that people can think about but venting and going to war destroying what little is left of this planet seems to be the end game for christians and muslims alike--and who will look at all those stars then?
sometimes you don't really need proof to disprove God, all you have to have is common sense=)
Scientist claim they found the "god" particle, anti-matter. They re-created the big bang, when I say this I mean this in a way to unite religion and science. The "god" particle is actually inside of us; this is proven as well. This shows us that God does exsist and that there maybe a home away from home after all. I don't know what this proves; but it is a truly majestic photo. Time can only tell.
If I recall right this picture was taken by the Hubble telescope looking at the dark corner of the universe where nothing was visible to the naked eye.
With prolonged exposure of the Hubble's photographic aperture, scientist were able to see more galaxies grander than ours in one of the darkest corner of the universe. This was only a tiny solid angle of the universe.
Yes, I see the wisdom of your question. However being a scientist, I never once believed that it took 6000 years for our planet to form.
According to Carl Sagan, the Hindu's Vedic texts which is far older the than the Bible, gives the age of the universe which agrees with today's scientific findings. This picture taken by the Hubble also support the Vedic text and current scientific knowledge.
However, it is understandable many in the West have a bias toward the Bible even when faced with overwhelming evidence. Look what happened to Galileo. Copernicus and Newton lived in fear from these religious groups.
I believe God is outside of time, so for all we know, the earth has been around for billions of years. (which could be 3 days in God's time)
Also, he could have started the light at a point in time and finished it in another. He's God. Why limit his capabilities?
It's a beautiful picture, and no matter how old those stars are, I will always remember the one who created them.
Yes, a picture like this tells a story. The story is in the Bible.
I think this is an extremely important time in history. We are flooded with masses of information and we know so much that so often we forget about how minute it is in the grand scheme of things. What we know is only the tip of the iceberg. There is much freedom to be found in stepping out of the box that is modern science. We don't know all there is to know about light, time, gravity, etc., especially with the limited data we are able to collect from a single light year away from us, much less, billions. Here's a link to a hub I wrote recently that bring about some thought provoking reflections reminding us just how small we are in this universe and how little knowledge we truly have:
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Age-of-the- … us-Queries
When God created man He created him as a mature adult person ,not as an infant. Similarly when God created His creations, He created them at an advanced and a developed stage.
The Inventor of "Wheel" ... also claimed ... he was a god ... so people worshiped him ... till he died ... and the Wheel survived.
The Wheel, led to other Inventions ... and the other Inventors, made similar claims, but they too perished, while their inventions survived ...
Then came the era of Discoveries ... a lot was Discovered ... and the Discovered, was Claimed by the Discoverers ... as theirs !
Then came along a Space based Telescope's Inventors ... they are also Claiming, just because, they can see better, and farther ... than Galileo had Claimed ... Staking out the Claim in their names ... what already Exists out there, in Creation ! ...
These Claimants, of seeing all, will also perish ... while their technology's work survives !
beyond all doubt is asking quite a lot... ;-)
Romans 1:20 comes to mind, and my hub on Miracles in the Bible might interest you - even as a potentially skeptic. :-)
In theory, God could have created an "old universe."
Omnipotence has an answer to almost any question, even badly posed ones.
None of which affects my opinion that the Creationists are not right--since they are working from a text which is not internally consistent--or that those stars really are as old as advertised.
(To deal only with the former issue, Genesis actually gives two inconsistent sequences for Creation--just as the Gospels give different versions of the Nativity, and of the Resurrection, for that matter. Rather as if God was trying to keep us from reading Scripture too literally. . .
(And yes, I know that rationalizations of these contradictions exist. But while those rationalizations give *possible* readings, I don't find them at all convincing. For instance, the Resurrection becomes as cluttered as a bedroom farce, with characters rushing on and off stage yet never quite running into each other.
(Read the relevant books for yourself and you'll see what I mean--though you may or may not agree with my overall conclusion.)
Not really, its in the words that are used. Compare what the very first words in the Bible say.....Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
From this we see two parts Heaven and the Earth ......Heaven here has the Hebrew word "shamayim" meaning Universe the solar system.....So its plain and clear what was created first......Then God created the Earth, and in a well planned day for day, description, what was created on the earth.....To be more accurate the life on the earth is very young and till now 6000 yrs and maybe a bit excluding the time before man sinned.
If you believe in God as I do, then God could have turned on every source of light at their same time.
For those of us who are Christians; Christians the same as Paul, Timothy, Barnabus, we take God at His Word. The point being that The Lord Jesus endorsed the fact of creation, when in Mark Chapter 10 says in answer to the Pharisees who asked Jesus regarding divorce, in verse 6 Jesus says, ' But from the beginning of creation God made man male and female.' If one choses to believe that Jesus is who He says He is and that He came in the flesh as John the beloved Apostle says in 2 John verse 7 and by faith accepting that God made the world as given in Hebrews 11 verse 3. Then when God made and created Adam He made Adam as a man who had the appearance of age; fully complete and perfect man. When God created the heavens; stars and planets of the universe and the vastness of space, this too must have had the appearance of age? Then stars shining and their light reaching us here shows how massive and enormous the universe is and the Almighty power of Our Awesome God and Creator.
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