-Is evolution simply a "tool" of the devil?
maybe. because it could be the reason why many think man came from monkeys, and not from God.
Now we are on the same page. Do you think satan is laughing in joy right now?
i dont think the devil is laughing in joy knowing what is coming to him. instead, evil as he is, he will want everyone to go down with him in the lake of fire.
Think about what you said?
The Lake of Fire- you refer to it as a real place in existence of reality, but it's not.
well i just imagine what is said in the bible. all i know is that it is real, be phisical or unphisical
Imagine: to visualize a picture of a place(described to you, by a supposed "leader").
That tells me you are using the "right-side" of your brain, to see what it looks like. This is common.
How ever, with that said- How are you able to make the "left-side" of your brain agree? Considering it only operates on things of rational and logic, and what's real.
2 sides of the brain huh?
if you put it that way, then the right side of my brain is much bigger than the left side.
I take it you didn't know your brain had two chambers?
Well, I'm glad to see that you learned something new.
How ever, your two-chamber brain are equal in size on both sides.
The fact that you continue to use your right-side to rationalize your life is exactly what is holding you back.
If you don't think so.........go ask an autistic child/person.
Because, that's all they can function by. There is no rationale for an autisitic child, which makes for one reason why they are so wild or difficult to handle.
And, since I don't think you autistic....you need to better understand your own existence, by guiding yourself instead of looking for "higher" authority.
There is NO "higher" authority other than yourself.
There is NO ONE who can tell you how to live or what to think, because you've got your very own human consciousness, which will do it for you, if you gave it half a chance.
i did not know about the brain chambers. that is correct.
when i said bigger than other side, i did not mean in actual size, but the one who is more dominant i guess.
i do not think i am held back. if then, you think more with the left side of your brain, could i say that you are held back for not using more of your right side????
there is a higher power, otherwise i would not be able to explain many things
i know that there is no one who can tell you how to live or what to think. the fact is that everyone in the world either chooses to believe in God or not to.
Well, I find it interesting that you would come back with an altruistic "slam" - could I say that you are held back for not using more of your right side????? - defines everything known in your life, including rationale.
Which apparently, seems to escape you.
Believing in GOD? Is choice.
However irrational your decision was to make that choice, has now become obvious.
When you DENY your own existence, through guidance from another authority other than yourself- YOU are damaging your own life.
Yet, you don't realize that your subconscious continues to battle with your choice. While, at the time same, the stress you create is increasing your body's age, without realizing it.
The "human consciousness" that you have that tells you that you are alive is all the guidance you need. At that point, you can define your entire life, how ever you see fit.
When guided by ANY and ALL forms of religion, including any faith based religious orders, you're allowing yourself to be horribly attack by "mysticism" which, as history has shown, is an illusion.
So, why would you willing live your life in an illusion?
Makes absolute no sense.
For those who want to talk about the so-called "after-life" and/or "life after death", and/or "heaven"-
Do realize: when your life ends, it's over.
You will be put in casket and buried. You will not be going anywhere else, except 6' deep into the ground.
Your 'heaven' does exist. It's right here on Earth. Humankind CAN turn Earth into a paradise, but first people need seriously end the fictional illusionary entity known as God.
Your belief in something that's blantantly dangled in front of your face- seek guidance from "god" and your soul, and spirit, will be forever saved- B.S. is mysticism, an illusion.
If you try to practice ALL 3 doctrines of ALL religious based groups, each have UNATTAINABLE goals.
Therefore, Perfection you seek in yourself, you can never obtain.
Despite all that.....billions of people buy into it, like it's fact. It's a shame, that a perfectly good history book of our world, is put to work in such deceitful ways.
ok. if anyone believes what you said. it is a sad story.
How long can a person live the most? 100 or a bit more if lucky. compare that with eternity. it would seem like a tiny grain of sand in the dessert.
let me make some comparison between 2 different people:
1. a person could be denying the existance of God. when his life ends. if the after life is false, then that person lost nothing and gain nothing. if it is true then then there is spiritual death (hell).
2. but if a person who believes in God however(but there is more to just believing). when he dies. if the after life is false, then he neither lost or gain anything (much like the example 1st choice). but if it is true then is everlasting life.
i do not know about you, but seems like #2 is a better deal.
it is true when we die is game over, but that only means the physical part. your soul will sleep for a moment and then you will rise either for ever lasting life or hell.
believe in Jesus Cagsil. He can save you. read the Bible. You can find the truth there.
So, really, you didn't need to go through all this trouble. So much typing for a simple yes or no question?
So, if you didn't have a body, you could deal being immortal.
But, if you had your body, you wouldn't want it?
Remember, I didn't say you were going to die.
Immortal- lasts forever.
Kind of like- Eternal.
your response is interesting! but i do not understand it.
yea, i did a lot of typing! blame me for it.
Well, you made sound like you want under your conditions.
You don't mind having eternal life, but you don't want your body.
maybe i should not explain, because i can make mistake in my words, but i'll try:
it is not a matter of me wanting. the bible says that in the day of resurrection we will have new bodies. it is what is established.
as to the type of body is still unknown to me, but i imagine it will be ghost-like. there are more things that will need to revealed when the time comes.
Amen sister! Jesus is the only way to a favored afterlife. Stay strong in faith. The devil will always challenge your faith.
The devil is trying to trick you! Do not give in. The only side of the brain that matters is the one that gets you into heaven.
Stay stong in belief sister. The devil will tell you to reject what the bible says. Can I get an Amen.
You are currently swimming the fire of a lake. The devil is swimming with you! Jesus is the only way out of the lake! Take his hand before it is too late!
I have swam that lake before I found Jesus! Praise baby Jesus. Now I swim the waters to the gateway of heaven. The waters are perfect temperature and full of love!
You have clearly given in the devils tricky ways. There is still time. Refuse Satan!
With all of the preaching against it. It just seems logical that evolution is a tool of satan.
Only someone who believed in GOD could think that. Glad to see you are coming around marine.
So, do you believe it is likely a tool of the devil?
Personally, I don't believe in the THEORY at all. I guess it could be a tool of the devil, but I don't really know.
What are other tools of the devil?
I guess things that try to make you turn your back on GOD, and his word.
That's what evolution does!
According to your explanation. Is it not logical?
Evolution if proven absolute would destroy the bible. I think satan would like that. You don't think so?
Woulda, shoulda, coulda, and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle, but she doesn't, so she's not.
If she did, would she be the devil?
No, she would be a hermaphrodite, but she doesn't, so she's not.
I don't think so. I think it would just make people realize that the Bible was not meant to be taken literally. Belief in evolution and religion can exist together.
Then why does religion constantly preach against evolution as if it is the devil?
Well, I am assuming like the question asked that if it were proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. Of course, there would always be those who wouldn't accept it no matter how much proof there was.
According to your recent new hub, it would be your dog.
You are correct! A true reincarnation of the devil himself!
Oh. Right! Good luck with that 'logical' argument then.
yeah you're right there jewels, sorry marine hehehe... cant help to contradict you my dear friend...
That is the devil speaking for you. Evolution = Satan. Pure logic.
Hmmm that could sound good because for me evolution is nothing but a hoax and fallacy...
See, it can't be proven wrong, so why should it be discredited?
Does the devil test faith in God?
An interesting question to post Marine.
Considering your position.
It automatically brings out everyone you could possibly imagine. In one swoop of a broom, per se.
Those who believe, the 'devil' exists, would give it a possibility.
But, Why would you want to give them a tool to fight with?
You're not helping your own case or agenda? Then again, with you it might be just for fun.
One can never truly tell. Because, we are on computers and not sitting face to face.
Which, leads to another point I'd like to make-
The "believer" people can believe whatever they want. They may even consider it fact, because their faith is extremely strong.
But, be that as it may, when their life ends, their consciousness exhausted, they will find out what they gave up for their faith.
I've come to learn what they are giving up and it's a real shame, too.
Because, not only is their faith going to end their life, but their faith is also going to end mine and yours.
If you're not sure how? that can be?
Email me: I'll explain better context. Here I have to be careful.
That was a well thought response. I liked it! If we were sitting face to face, you still wouldn't be able to tell. Your good, not that good. Not to insult you, but you sound like an area 54 runaway in fear of government coming after you. Why fear anything in belief?
I don't fear anything.
I'm not ready to make it public knowledge, but I thought I would at least you.
If you care to repeat, then that would be up to you.
And, no conspiracies are not for me.
I believe in getting facts, before judgement.
If that was to me, thank you. Back at you.
It wasn't. It was directed Sir?
I made the mistake of not putting his entire screenname down, just used the first few letters.....lol
I gues that proves, at least I human.
Is the devil a fisher?
Most people who believe in God have absolutely no problem with the theory of evolution.
Countless videos preaching against evolution say different.
The videos do not represent the majority of religions or the majority of religious people.
Case in point- the world's largest Christian denomination teaches that the theory of evolution is okay.
That's because they can stretch it to the perspective of "evolution only happened because of GOD's will" approach.
That's hardly a stretch, because the theory of evolution has absolutely nothing to say supporting or disproving anything about God's existence, let alone God's will. So there is absolutely no inconsistency with belief in God and the theory of evolution.
Yes, thats the disclaimer they put before the video I posted. Then he went on to preach against evolution for 10 minutes!
Remember, everything is suppose to happen because of GOD's will and words are to be followed, to the point, where free will is lost to automatic guidance.
So, in theory, the possibility that GOD's power is strong enough to create evolution from nothing.
Remember, he is "ALL POWERFUL" mighty GOD.
Isn't much of a leap for an individual who's belief are strong enough.
Not to mention that the bible states God created all 1 by 1 in creating man in woman out of a rib and some dirt. Nah, evolution doesn't contradict the bible at all.
Evolution is clearly the devil, can't you see it?
I was saving this one as a trump card, but the timing seems appropriate, now that I have heard so many people denouncing evolution and now calling it 'the work of the devil'.
Pope John Paul II revisited the question of evolution in a 1996 a message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. Unlike Pius XII, John Paul is broadly read, and embraces science and reason. He won the respect of many scientists in 1993, when in April 1993 he formally acquitted Galileo, 360 years after his indictment, of heretical support for Copernicus’s heliocentrism. The pontiff began his statement with the hope that “we will all be able to profit from the fruitfulness of a trustful dialogue between the Church and science.” Evolution, he said, is “an essential subject which deeply interests the Church.” He recognized that science and Scripture sometimes have “apparent contradictions,” but said that when this is the case, a “solution” must be found because “truth cannot contradict truth.” The Pope pointed to the Church’s coming to terms with Galileo’s discoveries concerning the nature of the solar system as an example of how science might inspire the Church to seek a new and “correct interpretation of the inspired word.”
When the pope came to the subject of the scientific merits of evolution, it soon became clear how much things had changed in the nearly since the Vatican last addressed the issue. John Paul said:
Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.
Now, as I remember, the Pope is the highest man in the ladder of the Catholic church, which makes him the tallest of leaders in Christianity.
So, anyone care to call the former pope a devil for believing in evolution?
Evolution is not the devil, and evolution isn't proof that God doesn't exist. Plain and simple, it's a theory ... just like gravity.
For those who think the concept of gravity isn't a theory, then explain to me how it works scientifically. I want to know what causes gravity ... in detail ... and the old school definition of attraction between two masses won't cut it. I want a full explanation of the forces involved and how they interact. Only then can gravity be said to be more than a theory.
However ... proving gravity exists is a matter of dropping a rock a thousand times and watching it fall down every time. Still, that does not prove the theory of gravity true, it merely offers proof that the theory of its existence is sound.
The same goes with evolution. We have dug up tons of fossils and never in the lowest and oldest layers of Earth that we have dug up have we found fossils of higher forms of life. This offers proof that life started out very simple and grew complex over time, and that is the theory of evolution.
Evolution isn't natural selection as many misinformed people think. Natural selection was Darwin's explanation of how evolution worked and he has been proven wrong on this numerous times.
Also, evolution was a proven concept before Darwin ever set forth into the field. He merely wanted to explain the mechanics that made it all work. That's no more evil than Isaac Newton dropping weights on the floor to see how gravity worked.
How fortunate for us that Isaac Newton didn't have helium balloons or he might have incorrectly inferred that gravity can sometimes fail, from the fact that helium balloons rose instead of fell. He might also have considered the gas inside the balloon to be some form of antigravity. Of course, he was only working with the tools available to him at the time, as was Darwin.
Darwin's only crime was interpreting the fossil record wrong ... but evolution does not count on the assembly of bones ... it counts on the fact that creatures become more complex as eons pass by.
So, is the former pope a devil for believing in evolution? I should think not.
During the dark ages, the church held an iron grasp on Europe, instructing everyone what to believe and declaring anything not accepted by them as heresy. A good example is Copernicus, who was considered a heretic when he claimed the planets revolved around the sun. Of course, that was a theory ... up until the point where we set spacecraft into outer space and saw the truth for ourselves.
Just because it isn't in the Bible or appears to contradict what is in the Bible, doesn't make it untrue or heresy. For those still in the dark, evolution is based on only three truths:
1. There is enormous variety in the plant and animal kingdoms. Some species of plants and animals have much more complex organic structures than other species.
2. All living things must come from at least one living parent (i.e., life does not arise spontaneously out of non-life).
3. The simplest forms of plant and animal life were on earth long before the more complex forms (as confirmed by the geological succession of fossils).
In all the years evolution has been debated, no one has disproved these three statements though many have set to disprove other theories surrounding this theory. These are the only three statements evolution is based upon and nowhere do they mention God or the Bible, nor do they seek to discredit either in any way, shape, or form.
These were observations made ... just like when Isaac Newton watched the apple fall. The only reason evolution remains a theory rather than a proven fact is because science has not been able to evolve a species itself yet (we haven't evolved enough yet to do that - lol!) and because we can't fully explain the forced involved that make evolution work.
This is how science works: Theories are derived from recorded observations. Those observations are then recorded and scientists seek to a) disprove the theory or b) show the forces involved and prove that they can be recreated by man.
As such, gravity and evolution will always remain theories as we will probably never fully understand either one and we probably won't be able to recreate either one ... or perhaps I speak too fast ...
You see, they are currently playing around with genomes in genetics and it's only a matter of time until we discover how to manipulate genes to produce unique animals that never existed before. In fact, this might have already been done, but I have no proof to offer on this one. If it has, then it proves that animals have the capacity to evolve, but it still does not explain the mechanisms involved when it occurs. Forcing evolution is not the same as watching it naturally occur, but as evolution can take thousands or millions of years to occur, how many of us could ever live long enough to actually witness it happen?
Evolution is not the devil ... it's nature's mechanism for creating bio diversity over time. And if you believe all forces in nature are created by God, then evolution is a tool of God.
Thank You for the excellent thought you put in.
Clearly Pope John Paul is the devil also along with evolution. Update scriptures? What is he thinking? Silly devil.
So, now we have Pope John Paul II and Evolution as logical tools of the devil.
I think society and public education as a whole could also be creations of the devil. Evolution is taught in the public schools.
Well done. Clearly the forums are satan creation by so many challengers to faith.
I did that long ago you silly deceitful devil. I still like you though. God will bless you one day.
Why is the devil so sneaky?
Who created GOD?
This is the big question.
Do you feel that everything came about from one complete consciousness and we are ALL part of a divine conscious or do you feel that there is a creator GOD, a separate entity that created everything and that very everything has a separate conscious?
Pagan religions are the original worshipping on the planet and they worshipped the SUN, MOON and the STARS as well as the planet itself. Earth or mother GAIA was the Pagan GOD of earth.
Any religion that has been documented long after pagan worshipping have been written as a faith system. What do faith systems teach their followers?
To worship an outside source of god, a divine being who created everything. Ask who created the divine being who created everything and there is no answer, no logical explanation as to who created an outside GOD figure.
Any outside source of a god, or any written down doctrine is precisely a control system. Never question its origin, just obey the command and faith it sits behind. If any outside source of God created everything then the question will always be asked. Who created GOD?
I am not knocking any religion in its face, they are invented to bring order and belief to people.
Despite anything that has been said, people still need a faith and a belief in a system. It is designed to bring order out of chaos.
Whether people believe in religion, governments or accept laws, these things have been put into place to restore some order in the world. The only downside to this is the people who take to the reigns at the top, and what is their true intention and agenda.
If we have people in authority who respects life and wants the best for us then we have a strong faith and belief in our constitution. If we are ruled over by evil conspirators who thrive on money and control we will suffer a life in a regime environment. It will be a matter of time when that is exposed and the right people (people with good intentions) will move in the right directions to restore humanity again. History normally repeats itself in this aspect, but the planet survives and people move on.
20 years ago the faith and belief in the church and government system was much stronger. Why has it weakened and why are people now looking for answers? Why are people becoming more suspicious, paranoid and angry with their constitutions and faith systems today?
Now that religion is fast becoming a dying belief because scientific discoveries in the modern age is basically destroying the church and people are now asking for the truth and questioning their own faith. Now with the Internet exposing our governments and picking holes in the media and of people stepping out from the occult societies spilling some beans on the secrets that have been deliberately hidden from the mass population, people are also losing faith with their constitutions and laws.
What we must all be careful of is destroying all the faith systems in operation from religion, governments and law and order because without these faith systems in operation the world will be a much darker place and open to any kind of evil on our own doorstep.
Although corruptness and lies are now becoming very evident within the institutions that govern us and control us today, what is even more worrying is if these were suddenly overthrown and destroyed the corruptness and evil would spill the earth even greater.
Regimes fall and tyrants come and go, and all are replaced eventually. Good times will always follow bad times, but a faith system and belief will always remain because without it, we will all suffer at the hands of our own. Man is a predatory animal, that is fact! Without laws and order or a faith man will kill to survive and man will lose any sense of value, moral and love completely. Sometimes it is better the devil we know they say.
What is my perspective on religion?
I think they are man made belief systems which is not a bad thing as long as they are not based on false or misinformed teachings. The story behind all religions point to early worshipping from much earlier civilisations, but are used wrongly in many circumstances.
When religion changes its doctrines due to scientific discoveries or have been purposely re written to hide origins of life then one must ask the question why?
If any religion is true to their followers then not every religion can possibly be true. Could it be that ALL religions are not telling the full story to their followers?
What is even more sickening is that people use religions as an excuse for wars. Instead of accepting that they are belief systems to fit their cultures they use their religious beliefs as a weapon to unite others to join them in battle. Isn't this a form of mind control and brainwashing?
Religions can only be pure if they promote peace and for posterity, otherwise people should question their faith.
Excellent thought you put into that. I have things to add and debate, but i'll hold off.
But see, you just did merely by assuming that people invented religion, or that religion is meant to fill the role of government. To believers, both allegations represent a simplistic and extremely narrow view of religion.
Religion is not just a government. It's not just to maintain social order. And while some religions may have been made up, religion in general and the tendency toward Faith has not been invented by people. In fact, it can be argued that a tendency toward Faith had evolved into us- and the religious evolutionist would say that it's for a purpose.
-How about Rush Limbaugh. He inspires much individual thought. He constantly references God to get his separatist ideas across to his followers. I can hear demonic sounds in his voice through the airwaves. Is he another tool of the devil?
I think Obama could be the devil as well. All the logical signs add up.
Many people believe that religion is a tool of the devil. It all depends on who you ask.
Do you think religion is the devils doings?
Not necessarily. I was just trying to offer a differing perspective. But you can google the word inquisition if you like.
Do you believe in the devil?
Yes I do, but not in the traditional sense. I believe it is something that is within all of us and tempts us to be self-serving, greedy and hateful . . . and religion will not save you from it.
How do you keep the devil quiet?
I'm no expert on this, but ever since I decided to forgive that which has tormented me over the years, I realized how much pain my grudges caused me. Now I am much happier and find it easier to make decisions that are best for my role in the Universe. Besides, simply accepting evolution does not negate spiritual faith. Darwin, himself, was a Christian and as far as I know never disavowed it. It was simply a way of explaining Earth's history and how we got to this point.
"God created spirituality. Satan organized it and called it religion."
Religion caused Jihads, Crusades and conflict in general. The inability to acknowledge that another persons path to god is just as valid as anybody's path is the reason for those problems.
Honestly, I still can't believe that people don't believe in evolution.
Do you think all religious people are working for satan?
Evolution is a fact. Evolution - is a natural process requiring adaptation to change.
There cannot possibly have been a developmental destination in evolution. Not possible.
Therefore there was no god involved in the process, unless throwing a few cells together and "seeing what happened," counts.
Therefore there is no god in the judeo/christian/muslimist sense of the word.
Evolution proves their beliefs are false.
That is why these people will lie and fight and pretend not to "believe," in evolution. because it proves there is not a god. Where is there a god in random mutation and adaptation to changes in the environment? No where.
Even the pope cannot deny evolution, but he dances around the subject to make sure his money keeps flowing.
Thats not what our preacher told us this morning. He said evolution is the devil! He said the devil wants us to believe evolution so it's alright for us to run around acting like monkeys. Our preacher is the most logical character you could meet. He already sold 17 books on amazon and kindle. Satan has arrived!
Please tell me this is sarcasm...
The fact that evolution exists doesn't excuse you from your actions....
That's like saying "well car manufacturers exist, so I can go around bashing in other peoples cars without consequence."
Think for yourself, people... damn!
Satan is in free thought. The only time I am strong is when I read my bible. Satan cannot enter my mind when I read the book of God.
No, dissidence towards a religious authority is in free thought. They want you to stay brainwashed - giving them money to by lavish temples (like the Mormon one here in San Diego). They're keeping you under control, and doing a damn good job.
You are the one controlled. You are clearly content with rejecting the word of God for your worshiped devil.
See, and that's the problem with religion. I reject Satan's religion in an attempt to truly understand God. What have you done to understand god, besides being subservient to your church (which is not trying to understand God).
Our church teaches God. You have to be taught or you welcome the devil.
That's an opinion. Religion caters to the weak minded.
I suppose there's no point in trying. Take off your skull cap and let the holy waters rush over your brain. Be cleansed, sinner!
I have lived a life for Jesus. Jesus loves you as well. Rid yourself of the devils sin.
Wrong, you've lived your life for your church, and their teachings of Jesus. Your church is of men, not of god.
Sheep go to heaven. Free thinkers are already there.
Free thinkers are the devil!
Religious people are the devil!
You are falling for his tricks!
You fall for his tricks on a daily basis.
If your church told you arabs were evil and you had to kill them all, you would do it. Do you not see the evil in blind subservience?
Satan's veil clouds your vision.
The churches word is the word I follow. Satan isn't allowed in church.
Satan disguises himself as your church, then says that he is not allowed. It is all part of his evil plot, and you are buying into it!
No, this is what the tricky devil wants you to believe. The only way to reject the devil is through our savior Jesus Christ. He is ready when you are. Reject the devils thoughts. He is in your mind!
Cool! I'm in heaven!
Feels good, right?
When Jesus' message is revealed in proper context, every human being is living he message, regardless of whether or not, you are religious.
You're aware of your own existence and can self-guide your own actions and thoughts.
Therefore, everybody lives Jesus' message, regardless of religious affiliations or none.
I don't think it disproves god, just some christian beliefs.
No. I think a lot of them do, and they mask it by saying they do "god's work".
Well how do you tell which ones are satan and which are good? The devil can be tricky.
I don't believe in "Satan". I also don't believe in the Christian description of "God".
I will tell you that saying a theory is the work of the 'devil' is a recipe for ignorance. Take that religious veil off of your eyes.
You have clearly had the devils nonsense entered into your mind. Don't deny God for Satan. This is what he wants!
I believe in a God. I don't believe in religion. I don't believe in the 'God' that religion tells me I have to believe in. I don't believe Jesus said the only way to God is through him.
I will pray for you. Don't let Satan control you!
I don't think it disproves any fundamental Christian doctrines at all. Just an erroneous interpretation of the Bible that takes the Bible literally without any regard for historic and cultural context and proper literary analysis.
With that said- Let's begin:
You wanted to know "what" methodology, which I've used as a tool for what I've learned. So, I've taken collectively reality, physical, mental, emotional aspects, which coincides with "Aristotelian".
As an example: What is the nature of Man or Woman?
The mystical(platonistic): Humans beings are by nature evil, irrational, and destructive. They are subordinates to "higher" causes. Human beings most be controlled by some higher authority or government and forced to serve others or society.
The factual(aristotelian): Human beings are by nature good, rational, and productive(or mankind could not exist). Human beings are competent to fill their needs and to achieve happiness. By being free to act accordingly to their own nature, they will best serve themselves and society without force or coercion from any authority or government.
To answer the most basic question- What is Reality?
The mystical(platonistic): Reality is what the mind thinks or imagines. Wishes, will, or faith can create or alter reality. "True" reality is unknowable.
The factual(aristotelian): Reality is what exists. Reality exists independently of anyone's thoughts, desires, will, or wishes. All reality is knowable.
Let's attack one of the underlining concepts, people have belief in- "Who Created Existence" and "Why of the Universe" are ancient, mind-subverting gimmicks of positing invalid, intellectually untenable questions that have no basis in reality. That false-question maneuver has been used by theologians and other mystics for centuries. The gimmick works by taking an invalid or meaningless idea and then cloaking the idea with specious but profound-sounding phraseology. That phraseology is then used as an "intellectual" prop to advance false, irrational concepts or doctrines.
Consider, for example, the "Who Create Existence" and the "Why of the Universe" questions so often used by poets and theologians to advance the God or higher-power concept. On closer examination, one realizes the invalid questions such as "who made the universe" are meaningless and unprofound.
For that type of infinite-regression question(of who created the creator and so on back) answers nothing and is anti-intellectual. Such questions cannot or need not be answered once one realizes that existence exists.
On realizing that by nature existence simply exists, one then realizes that the "Who Created Existence" and "Why of the Universe" questions cannot or need never be answered because no causal explanations are needed for existence in the universe. Existence is axiomatic. It just exists, it always had and always will exist. Nothing created it and no causual explanation is needed or valid.
For, what is the alternative? No alternative is possible or needed, unless on accepts the contradiction that existence does not exist!
This just keeps getting better. Sheep go to Heaven, goats go to hell.
The devil is a biblical creation like god, no god, no devil!
Nooooo Earnest. The devil is calling us all! We must not submit! Believe in Jesus, Jesus believes in you!
You would make a walkover religionist marine!
Nice to see you Marine, I hope all your little submarines are good!
I think the devil prefers the Tritan as his tool/weapon of choice.
And, if you're looking for more insight....
I suggest you visit forum: Can You Grasp Life and What Role You Play?
There is some long messages there, but if you carefully read through the text, you just might actually realize, a little bit more about your life, which you might or might not know.
It's just suggestion.
I'm going to be discussing "Jesus Christ" in there later. When the person I was talking to returns.
Let me ask a fairly simple question.
Who here thinks they could deal with being immortal?
Remember now, this is what you're already seeking, through your religious belief/faith.
Life Is Eternal? Right.
Doesn't that mean you live forever....in essence you become immortal.
So, who could handle it?
I'd give it a shot if life went on changing. I sure have had a good life so far!
Wouldn't be interesting if it turned out life was suppose to last forever, right here on Earth, but no one knows?
It was, and we will know a lot more very soon. Science has found the trigger for death, and medical science is unraveling brain chemistry and longevity.
Early days yet, but I believe that in my lifetime we will see death completely eliminated by medical science in theory.
The problem is it will not likely be used when it is known.
The religionists and the selfish will not see the big picture for another 100 years if the future follows the history of current entrenched false beliefs in religion.
Science has been slowed in this area for 40 years due to the influence of chemical company lobbyists holding immense power with their current crop of rubbish drugs, and religionists going biblical with any thing new that scares them. (almost everything new).
It is already hard for any human to accept change, we don't like it apparently and even less so with advanced age!
All that will change as all things do, but science will still be controlled and disallowed by religious narrow minded society for many more years to come.
Actually God had planned to have life eternal for humanity right here on earth, however Lucifer intervened and deceived humanity, which meant that God needed to use plan 2 (His son Jesus Christ)- now BEFORE you start on about God therefore NOT being all powerful, Lucifer was allowed into the equation to give humanity the opportunity to choose Gods way over Lucifer's way, man chose Lucifer (wrongly as it happens) and therefore we have all had to INDIVIDUALLY choose whether we submit to God or Lucifer, but one thing is sure, you WILL serve one of them.
Which one are you serving?
bible shows that souls are immortal. you will live in heaven eternally or in hell eternally
Praise Jesus! The devil and his tricky microwave. Always looking to nuke the believer. Amen brother.
If evolution is the devil, then the devil is dead. It's not evolution any more, it's devolution.
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The only Devil I know, is Lack of Freedom.
To whom it may concern
Jesus has your freedom! The devil only wants you to work for him in the gates of hell! Wouldn't you rather have a favored afterlife than shoveling coal to keep the gates of hell burning? Believe! Jesus is your savior! Don't give in to the devils tricky ways.
The devil gives no breaks!!!! Jesus gives 30min. breaks in between worship. Which is better?
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