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Should islamics have an open house in mecca?

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    Good muslims commited to breaking steriotypes should open up mecca for Christian and Jewish tourists to show they want to be part of the world community. This would help develop trust between all religions and promote peace in the middle east. Watcha-think?

    1. mohitmisra profile image55
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Its a good point and yes if it does happen it will help creating tolerance between religions immensely. smile

    2. Paraglider profile image89
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think it would be for the best if they did. But not during the Hajj, simply because there is already a dangerous number of pilgrims in Mecca at that time. Each year, people are crushed, suffocated or killed by heatstroke and exhaustion despite best efforts at crowd control.

      Even a few 'open days' would be a useful gesture.

      1. Make  Money profile image68
        Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'd have to agree.  I suppose Hajj wouldn't be a good time to go though.  Unless it was a study group.  Isn't Hajj where they walk around that thing and throw stones at it which represents throwing stones at the devil?  I think that is fascinating.  Not to the point of wanting to become a Muslim, just interested.

        1. Paraglider profile image89
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes that's the one. And as it is one of the pillars of the faith that each Muslim should attend at least once in a lifetime, it's not hard to see why it's standing room only!

    3. twalker74 profile image83
      twalker74posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Many places of Islamic worship are open to the public and invite visitors all the time. Why is it necessary for outsiders to see Mecca? This is just a result of not understanding faith. If the religion interests you, go to a local Mosque. Just because a person wants to know something about it, doesn’t give him or her a right to go to the center. Just because the West openly invites anyone to see inside our buildings, and any sort of infrastructure, doesn’t mean the rest of the world needs to follow along. We (in the West) are taught that everything is equal and has rights and that everyone should be the same way. Yet, isn’t that a sense of rule? If some one wants to keep something to his or herself, that person is berated for being closed off and hiding something (in a negative fashion). Though I abdicate democracy and its values, it is easy for me to see why countries that do not adhere to this value system get constantly pissed at us. By saying that they are wrong for not following our rules, aren’t we forcing our freedoms on people? If that isn’t an oxymoron… And to claim that we (Western Europe and the US) are an absolute truth in our assumptions is so ludicrous that I do not feel the need to provide examples. It is so backhanded and filled with double-talk that it is no wonder that the Middle East has no respect. Do they suppress the masses? Yes. Do they inhibit free press? Yes. But nowhere in there actions do they claim to be contrary. They claim to act justified, but we confuse this with our own justifications. If the “truly” open minded Left meant what is said, they would openly stand in opposition and battle this (which many groups do). And though this would not promote peace, nor would it suddenly make them love us, the Middle East would respect us. I have no problem with their system at the moment, because their main gripe (for a lack of a better term) do they claim anything other than our meddling in their business. I feel a lot of the problems do come from our need to be involved. So if we choose to elect people that want to meddle, then we have to be ready for a fight. Or at the least, a lot of angry people.

      We (as non-Muslims) have no right to go to Mecca unless invited. We are not invited. And just because the Pope lets outsiders into the Vatican, doesn’t mean that everyone else should. I don’t see anyone protesting against any Buddhist monasteries that do not allow visitors. But since we feel it is threat, we feel need to be there? ridiculous.

      1. TMMason profile image63
        TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That statement discounts alot of other reasons Islam does not like us. Their gripe with us has been around alot longer than the foriegn policies of America.

        This is not meant as an insult, but that is just too simplistic of a way to sum up the disagreements between the West and Islam.

      2. buraq profile image60
        buraqposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well said twalker, i liked your view.

    4. prettydarkhorse profile image63
      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, besides, they are living in this world, and not in isolation....We surely can have cooperation inspite of cultural differences..

    5. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think I'll file that under 'Super Likely'!

    6. TMMason profile image63
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Per order of Allah and their prophet, that is unacceptable to all Muslims. The Arabian Penninsula is for Islam alone. No other religions, nor non-believers are allowed. Not even Arabs who do not follow Islam are allowed.

      Only the, "Umma", the, "community of believers", are allowed to step foot in Arabia, the Holy city of Mecca is definitly off limits to any non-muslims.

      And to any Muslim who wishes to change the words of Allah and Mohhammud. Here is the reply to that action, straight from the mouth of Mohhammud himself.

      Sahih Bukarri, A'Hadith, Volume 9, Book 88, Number 173:
      Narrated 'Abdullah:

      The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar) and some men amongst you will be brought to me, and when I will try to hand them some water, they will be pulled away from me by force whereupon I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' Then the Almighty will say, 'You do not know what they did after you left, they introduced new things into the religion after you.'"

      Volume 9, Book 88, Number 174:
      Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd:

      I heard the Prophet saying, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar), and whoever will come to it, will drink from it, and whoever will drink from it, will never become thirsty after that. There will come to me some people whom I know and they know me, and then a barrier will be set up between me and them." Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri added that the Prophet further said: "I will say those people are from me. It will be said, 'You do not know what changes and new things they did after you.' Then I will say, 'Far removed (from mercy), far removed (from mercy), those who changed (the religion) after me! "

      And there is much more in the Hadith and Qu'ran in regards to changing any laws within the Qu'ran. And the Qu'ran is a Socio-Politcal-Religion. It covers all ways and actions of ones life.

      So the answer is NO. It cannot be done and if it is, it is not in line with the words of Allah and Mohhammud. And therefore, is un-Islamic, or Haram, = "unlawful".

    7. aware profile image72
      awareposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i aint going that far .but i feel this god ideas are under attack by religious misrepresentation across the board .it is imperative i think that religions play the lead role in eradicating extremists and zealots within their faiths.by disowning them or banishing them. its their way of thinking that is being tarnished.

    8. Paul Wingert profile image79
      Paul Wingertposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Keep in mind that the Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Muslims, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians and Old Prussians are still pissed off over the 9 separate rape, rope, and pillage along with the mass slaughter that occurred during the 9 Crusades that took place between 1095 and 1291. But I agree, there needs to be something done to promote the peace between the cultures. Fanatical groups, both Christian and Islamic, aren't helping any.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    C'mon don't be PC your whole life!

    1. Jerami profile image74
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         I would think absolutely except some one would Cary a bomb in there and blow the place up. Who knows

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    If you're not muslim you're not allowed in. Their rules, not mine.

  4. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    Yes, and they should serve hors dourves

  5. Paraglider profile image89
    Paragliderposted 7 years ago

    @twalker - I don't think anyone's suggesting asking Saudi to open the gates. I saw the OP as hypothetical. Of course they have the right to do as they wish. However, if they chose to allow a few more visitors, e.g. study groups, it might be no bad thing. Personally, I wouldn't go, having spent enough time in Saudi already.

    1. twalker74 profile image83
      twalker74posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I may naturally write in too aggressive a tone, because I agree that if they do invite others in to study, dictate and explain the events, it would promote a better world. I just feel that the western culture is, by its nature, intrusive and hypocritical. We enjoy a lot aspect in life others don't. What happens is that we think that everyone must share in this "happiness" (another natural reaction). Yet, it contradicts itself when we do not allow others come that conclusion on their own. Most Americans do not realize, or at least cannot connect, the idea that even our freedoms are quite different from Europe. But we just have our little quabbles since we generally feel the same. When we intract with drastically different cultures, that is when it actually can get out of hand. Imposing freedoms are the same as imposing values. The west and the Middle East do not share those values. Though I understand it a hypothetical, the poster did state that political correctness be left out.

  6. Sufidreamer profile image79
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    Good question, Sneako and a tough one to answer - it would certainly help to foster understanding between the cultures. Personally, whilst I am no fan of the Saudi rulers, I would love to visit.

    We have a similar situation in Greece, with Mount Athos, a peninsula packed with monasteries. No women are allowed, and the number of non-Orthodox men allowed to visit is very restricted. It is not important what anyone's opinion is on the matter - it is regarded as a semi-autonomous country and they get to set their own rules.

  7. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Then maybe Mormons could allow anyone into their churches. And then, maybe we should get Scientology to open up their doors too...

    1. Evolution Guy profile image60
      Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And then maybe the Catholics can open up their secret vaults and be open about their financial investments. Then - finally - peace. lol

      Although - let's be honest here. The OP was more interested in stirring up trouble than genuinely thinking that allowing heathens to visit Mecca would foster peace in the Middle East.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have no doubt big_smile

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this
      2. mohitmisra profile image55
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I believe the question  was an honest and noble question and was not meant to start any trouble. smile

        1. Evolution Guy profile image60
          Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          "You believe.?" lol

          I suggest you read some of the OPs hubs and other forum posts before making such a statement.

          This is the problem with blindly believing without doing any thinking or making any effort. wink

          1. mohitmisra profile image55
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            My work is ranked in top 10 Philosophy religious books, if you believe that happens without any thought and with blind belief you are very mistaken. smile

            1. Evolution Guy profile image60
              Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              And once again you are arguing and shouting about how clever you are without even considering listening to the advice that was given to you because you already have all the answers and are too blinded by the massive ball of fire that is your ego to be able to tell the difference between a genuine question and a question written to provoke conflict. wink

              1. mohitmisra profile image55
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Who are you to give me advice? What are your qualifications regarding spirituality and religious philosophy?

                1. Evolution Guy profile image60
                  Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I was not aware there were any qualifications available other than to say "I am enlightened" lol

                  You really are silly though. I was talking about the intentions behind the original question and suggested that you read some of the questioner's other forum posts and hubs before coming to the ridiculous conclusion that you came to.

                  Tell me how well your book ranks against the bible again. That should impress me with how much careful consideration you do before making a statement. wink

                  Although I see you now think jesus is coming back to slay the heathen (you), destroy the unbelievers (me) and raise up the faithful (christian religionists who start fights with muslim religionists) to heaven. lol

                  1. mohitmisra profile image55
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    To start with Stop speaking crap on my behalf please.
                    You have too much foolish ego to appreciate truth as of now.

                  2. TMMason profile image63
                    TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Well. Whats the difference?

                    In Islamic Eschatology: Jesus comes back to earth, meeting the islamic Armies of the Mahdi outside Jerusalem. He will be offered to lead the prayers before they attack the city. At that point the islamic Jesus will defer to the Mahdi, because Christ recognizes the mahdi is supposedly a higher messenger of God than he. (I dont believe this. Islam does.)

                    After leading the Army in prayer they, Islam's armies, will invade Jurusalem and, I quote, "Shatter the crosses and slaughter the Swine". In other words destroy all the Christians and Jews.

                    That is the way it is in the A'Hadith. Which is where one would find the Eschatology of Islam. The Qu'ran does not speak on the subject in any extensive or definite way, or with any oppossing logic to that set forth by Mohhammud in the A'Hadith.

                    Just a note.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mormon churches are open, the mormon temples are open to the public to view prior to it becomeing operational. I don't know about scientology.

  8. Niteriter profile image77
    Niteriterposted 7 years ago

    Evolution Guy, you are in no danger of allowing your humility to override your propensity for debate! We can always count on you for a good old-fashioned fire and brimstone comeback!

  9. Jerami profile image74
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    In Islamic Eschatology: Jesus comes back to earth, meeting the islamic Armies of the Mahdi outside Jerusalem. He will be offered to lead the prayers before they attack the city. At that point the islamic Jesus will defer to the Mahdi, because Christ recognizes the mahdi is supposedly a higher messenger of God than he. (I dont believe this. Islam does.)

    TMMASON ...
    After leading the Army in prayer they, Islam's armies, will invade Jurusalem and, I quote, "Shatter the crosses and slaughter the Swine". In other words destroy all the Christians and Jews.

    That is the way it is in the A'Hadith. Which is where one would find the Eschatology of Islam. The Qu'ran does not speak on the subject in any extensive or definite way, or with any oppossing logic to that set forth by Mohhammud in the A'Hadith.

    Just a note.

    I didn't write whats quoted above, from where have you got this? 

    This makes sense to me.
    Christian ARMAGEDON  =  Islams GEHAD
                 "      vs     "     "
         Religiosity    vs     " extremists
      And all that we can do is wait and watch ??
      We can't go anything until the players are identified.
      Here is a hint... Rev 13

    1. TMMason profile image63
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You should read Joel Richardson, "Islam's Awaited Messiah", if you want a good juxtoposition of Islamic Eschatology -Vs- Christian. He will show you the players alright.

      1. Jerami profile image74
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

             I did check out the home page that Joel Richards "I A M"
        Though I didn't download the report the introduction tells me that it will not disagree with the overall premise of my own research of the KJV of the bible; after ten years of un interpreting my brain of preconceived ideas that Religiosity had planted into my belief system from my youth.

        End time prophesy is not that hard to figure out when we understand the timeline and identify the key players.

  10. Jerami profile image74
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    This makes sense to me.
    Christian ARMAGEDON  =  Islams GEHAD
                  "      vs     "     "
          Religiosity    vs     " extremists
      And all that we can do is wait and watch ??
      We can't go anything until the players are identified.
      Here is a hint... Rev 13 u should read Joel Richardsaon if

    TManson said  .. you want a good juxtoposition of Islamic Eschatology Vs Christian. He will show you the players alright

      Jerami said .. I'm expecting something in Vatican City first.

    1. TMMason profile image63
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      really? Vatican City eh? If so, interesting.

      If not?... take your meds.

      But you do have some interesting hubs Jerami.

  11. TMMason profile image63
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    Oh I have one.

    American president, Muslim + N.A.Z.I. Pope = (?)

    Anyone?.....

    ?.....

    ?.......

    How bout: One retardly ass backwards world.

  12. TMMason profile image63
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    I agree, on all points.

    1. Jerami profile image74
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         I guess that I am no diffrent from everyone else,
      I believe this concept to be correct. And if it is,  It will be hapening very soon and we are watching for a few signs to come about that will not happen.(on the Christian side anyway)

  13. de'Arab profile image53
    de'Arabposted 7 years ago

    this suggestion is interesting but not very likely to happen

 
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