What do you think about Islam's justice system?

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thirdmilleniumposted 14 years ago
They amputate limbs, hang the criminals in public and flog adulterers.
Have you ever felt, "he/she deserves it"
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  Paragliderposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're talking about Sharia law. In some places it is carried out to the letter, but in many places the sharia prescribed sentence is taken as a guide only, to be commuted or modified by the State authorities.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The 8th Amendment states. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
  
  No one deserves these things and Sharia law is a outrage to humanity.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hi, but it is their culture, and we should respect it, laws are based on religion and mores of the people in a culture...unles of course it is used to harm other people in other culture,
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is NOT acceptable to condone barbarism under the guise of "but it is their culture". Sorry, pdh, but I guess we disagree on this one.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it is OK, I respect your opinion,
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It IS acceptable to condone other cultures - it is only YOUR opinion that theirs is barbarous, THEY think our culture is primitive and barbaric in relation to other issues.
  
  It is difficult to argue across the systems - in THEIR system you can leave your stuff on the beach while you go off swimming etc - come back 6 hours later KNOWING that it will still be there - in our culture we are afraid to leave a child in the playground alone for seconds!
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is not accurate to suggest there is no theft in Islamic countries.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh leave your pc crap out of it. Barbarism is barbarism no matter who's doing it.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The problem is exactly that - The US with the UK are maybe the most barbaric culture at this moment in time. We are trashing Iraq for oil under the ridiculous guise of being the 'worlds police', huge sections of our people are dong drugs and unbelievably horrendous things happening everywhere - just because you don't want to see them doesn't make them less barbaric ! On another forum they are discussing recently convicted parents, one pair who were feeding their 2 and 5 year old's cocaine, and a mother who microwaved her baby. Just what is your definition of barbaric that our own escapes from it?
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  LegendaryHeroposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think it is anyway acceptable for women to be beaten for wearing improper clothes (according to muslim beliefs), for them to be stoned for being raped, and for them to have acid poured on them for trying to learn.
  
  It may be their culture, but I'm not going to respect it, in fact, I'm going to say its wrong.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No. That's not justice, it's barbarian, ruthless, and cruel!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Umm.... I think actually that there are some valid points to their system, for THEIR people. And in the USA, there USED TO BE some similar strict standards in effect. While I'm glad we've become "civilized", I think we also became TOO civilized because now we're a "tolerant" nation that tolerates gross misbehavior and even crime in many instances, particularly moral crime.
  
  No matter what I think about the actual system, I know one thing-------it should not be brought to the USA.
  Muslim countries should have the right to make and enforce their own laws according to the Islam ways if that's how their majority or their religion wants to maintain their nations.
  
  We in the US can't fix all other countries.
  But we should keep those laws and religions and cultures from invading our own nation.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you on this Brenda! We are not the world's policeman, not Any of us. I despise these laws, and the way it treats people, but if that is what they want....
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like adultery? Sodomy? Dare I say it, homosexuality? Yeah we really shouldn't tolerate that stuff.. Let's stone 'em all.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  interesting how all three are sexual in nature and can cause diseases particularly chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea.
  
  having smaller population back then, with such diseases would have destroyed society.
  
  Not saying we should stone them all...
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Of course not !
  We will begin with you !
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  why?
  i don't qualify as a Liberal Socialite.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe. But you qualify as the ones that have to go !
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  Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah! Sack 'em!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I'm going, you have to show me the 'way'.
  Seein` as I'm a gentleman, ladies first.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I can't. I'm busy making the list
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i knew it! there is an atheist santa!
  
  the boys at Langley are gonna love this!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Just wait to see the 'presents' !
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  sticks and stones may break one's bones, but stilettos and 'racks' excite thee...
  oh wait wrong thread...
  
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like cloven foot animals and shellfish? Adultery I'll give ya, I guess, in as much as it means sleeping around. But sodomy and homosexuality, no.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  animals as well.
  
  btw, any type of oral / anal exchange most certainly could have coughed up those sicknesses between males & females - considering it was a free-for-all orgy, even amongst many married couples.
  
  here's a fun fact: much of Mosiac law was based on hygiene not morality. ( food, care of animals, dead bodies, etc.)
  
  very interesting.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, dang twenty, no beastiality? LOL
  
  Okay that's totally not what I meant. What I meant was like pigs have to be cooked to a high temp to avoid salmonella (sp?). Whereas other forms of meat are less tricky. Shellfish too is more dangerous than other forms of meat or fish.
  
  So it's a rational reason why eons ago, they may have been considered taboo.
  
  You were offering an excuse for taboos against certain sexual sins, that they spread disease. However, in monogamous relationships, they do not, excluding adultery. And yeah I'll give you beastiality as well, and gladly. And incest. I may be from the south, but...
  
  I tend to think the taboo against homosexuality was just that it kinda grossed people out. Straight people still don't understand it, or get it, I should say. Easy for a straight man to say that's wrong about something he doesn't understand.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  no worries.
  yeah, i know the food thing, especially shellfish since some are the 'ocean cleaners'.
  
  ( i miss the restaurant biz sometimes ) (
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I agree with that. You edited it I believe.
  
  It clearly wasn't a god saying these things, passing down these laws, it was man doing their best with what they knew at the time.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Maybe we should ask Guantanamo prisoners what they think of western laws !
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we could ask them about the three squares a day they get, the health exams, the safety, the exercise, the bending over backwards to make sure they can still practice their faith. I wonder how it compares to being imprisoned in their home countries?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that what they told you ?
  Nice brainwashing ! It becomes you !
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They don't get all those things I mentioned? Would conditions be 'gentler' for them in prisons in their home countries for the kind of 'crimes' they commited?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.slate.com/id/2136422/
  
  For example
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And don't tell me it's a lie !
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  liar, liar; pants on fire! -Al Pacino
  
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Instead of 'slate' why not read through the Red Cross reports?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you mean the 'non-profit' government regulated right wing lobby group who made millions last year? no thanks.
  
  ps, i was being coy with Tantrum, not literal.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - this is the problem with trying to define 'moral crime' morals are fixed traditional ideas - it is time morals were discarded and replaced with ethical values to keep up with changing society. If you apply morals then the 'people' of the US and the UK should be tried for destroying Iraq, illegally, and our leaders tried for lying to us about WMD instead of us all brushing it under the mental carpet.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It wasn't illegal and they didn't lie, so your example doesn't work.
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  bernie1936posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  sharia law sucks
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  Arjumand01posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't it better to prescribe the right punishment according to shariah and check crime than to let criminals let loose to do what they want.See the practical implementation.KSA and middle east have the least rates of crimes unlike US -highest rate of rape,crimes(the westerners themselves agree) .
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  I think Bible also supports these punishments; though Quran does not support all of them. Jesus was also hanged by the Jews in terms of Deuteronomy being false Prophet; it is another thing that Jews failed in their attempt to kill Jesus on the Cross and he survived being a truthful Messenger of the Creator- God Allah YHWH, and he migrated to India.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  I think it is appauling especially when a daughter can be killed for not covering her hair when she goes out because it is thought to bring shame to the family. Is their no shame in murdering one's own daughter.
  
  It is also appauling when Muslims hijack passenger carrying planes, and then deliberately crash them into buildings killing everyone on the plane as well as thousands working in the buildings.
  
  Is this how the God of Islam teaches His people, killing is okay as log as it is done in the name of Allah, What kind of a god asks this of its children?
  
  Muslim Islamic people are nothing but cowards that believe in nothing good.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The god of Abraham.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  They don't understand Quran/Islam/Muhammad correctly and hence they do it in mistake; it is their own fault not of Quran/Islam/Muhammad . Islam's justice system is secular and equitable.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It was reported in the news about a month ago in Canada that a young Muslim Girl was murdered by her parents, because she went out one evening and failed to cover her head. The parents believe that because of religious beliefs, they were justified to kill the girl. What kind of religion is this? AND What sort of God do they serve? My God would not ask such a thing of me or any other Christian.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  One word - Abraham.
  
  It was reported in the news not long ago that a Christian family refused to get medical treatment for their sick daughter. Instead they decided to pray to God. Sadly, the girl endured agony for weeks and finally died. What sort of god do they serve? Just goes to show that religious beliefs will rot your brain - no matter which one you follow.
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  Abdul Muqeet Khanposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  no one no one at all has any right to kill a girl or any body for that matter even if she dont cover her head at best what was to be done was to just tell her dont do it it if she does it its btw her and God alone that its no one has a right to do any thing
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Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago
The question was what do WE think of it, not what the people think that live under it.

Sure it's their culture and if they don't have a problem with it and they accept it, then fine.
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myownworldposted 14 years ago
Trust me, I've seen my home country (pakistan) literally 'destroyed' by these maniacal taliban...and it has NOTHING to do with culture...(which in our case is Indian anyway). It's a sick and obsolete version of Islam that can not work in the modern world anymore. And there are millions of moderate muslims that actually hate it and are sick to death of the sharia law! (except this never reaches the media of course!)
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rhamsonposted 14 years ago
My father lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for around 5 years back in the '80's. He went down to the square in Jiddah to see the punishment that was carried out and was horribly appalled by the acts he saw. The lashings were pretty bad but there was one man who had his hand cut off. He said that the act took a couple of seconds but it seemed so distant from the whole process. He said that perhaps if he had seen and understood the trial and the mans criminal history it would have given him some meaning other than the grotesque display he witnessed. The man was caught stealing is all he knew.
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errum fattahposted 14 years ago
muslim's law's r very powerfull and goo..yea they kill murderer infront of public n to me its nice..look cuz of this laws their is peace in saudia. their is no kidnapping, stealling, terrorism etc etc...i hope this law will also could b in countries in which terrorism is spreading..
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
Shariah Law is inappropriately overblown sentencing for crimes and treats women like second class citizens.
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  de'Arabposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you flightkeeper.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh? So it's just like the bible then?
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danielthorneposted 14 years ago
Islam is a violent bloodthirsty religion...they claim that they love death more than we christians love life...hmmm...
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  de'Arabposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  that what you say is not true danielthorne.Know your facts before you post.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Spot on. Moreover any non-islamic is termed as kafir and they think it's their duty to eradicate. Hence religion of peace.
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WriteAngledposted 14 years ago
There are those, including the Archbishop of Canterbury, who argue that it is OK for Sharia law to be applied to Muslims living in the UK.

Idiots!
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de'Arabposted 14 years ago
If the perpetrators did in fact do the act that they are accused then it seems sorta OK....i guess. but the fact is that most of the time these people are wrongly accused and their system of justice is failing in that area. It is so wrong.
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  zahra omerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i cant comprehend why anyone would defend murderers and rapists,why shouldnt they be punished?u all speak of human rights,what about the rights of the person who was murdered?didnt he have a right to live?anyone who takes away a person s right to live or commits any other crime should be punished according to the shariah law,so that no one will ever dare commit that crime again.The extremely low crime rates in saudi arabia and uae are a testimony to any one who disagrees.
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china manposted 14 years ago
Every society has the right to set its own rules - and in some respects I would have to say WTF does it have to do with us? There are many countries and cultures who think the continued application of the death sentence in the US is barbaric. I think the apparently millions of little fines and rules that apply in the UK are meaningless and degrading for its citizens. I think the unfair legal systems of parts of south America that are supported and never mentioned are also barbaric.

Sharia laws apply only to the countries and to the cultures that want it - what has it to do with us ?
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because Muslims want Sharia laws in YOUR country and MINE.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I don't see US trying to sell our ALSO horrendous Christian laws and morals to others - mostly the old testament version favoured by the fascist leaning right wing??
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Uh, fascism is left wing
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That doesn't seem to stop them leaning toward it does it
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then they're not right wing
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is besides the point. You asked how it can affect us and I answered your question. It will affect us if we allow Sharia Laws into our countries.
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Lady_Eposted 14 years ago
I think its unfair. I also think Muslim women are put at a big disadvantage. What an oppressive system?!! I have listened to/read a lot of news on it and have watched documentaries on Sharia Law.

Not good...
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
Islamic justice = Midieval justice.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Christian thinking = medieval thinking
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you're defending islam over Chritianity you need to get a handle on those cosmic waves their ruining you.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am defending the right of people to have what they want - not what others want to impose on them - especially religious bigots from both sides.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think that we are so close to the end of the road that it is too late to defend anyone ... except to defend them from me.
  we should all defend everyone else from us. This is all that we really have power to do. Lets join hands and defend everyone from us.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "I am defending the right of people to have what they want - not what others want to impose on them"
  
  So you are defending the right of people to hold their faiths despite what some superior secular being deems "faulty" or 'non-thinking'?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well let's review the menu:
  
  1. If you're a prisoner of these civilized world diplomats you could have your head removed.
  
  2. If you steal you get your hands cut-off. We spend thousands of dollars to try, house and feed you.
  
  3. If you're gay you're put to death in some grizzily manner. Here we spend millions of dollars to apease sexual deviates.
  
  4. If you're a woman you're really screwed. If you have premarital sex you get stoned to death. Here you're free to screw up your life and kill or abuse your baby.
  
  5. If you're given to someone to be his"wife" and he feels you're speaking out of turn he has a right deliver punishment.
  Here we try and create an equal enviroment. Why would women want to be considered equals? Jeez!
  
  6. If a 12 year old female there's a good chance you'll never know true love because you are now a sex slave for a fifity year old psycho with no teeth who beats you. Here you get to play soccer, go to the movies, go to school, and when it's time you can date and select your own husband.
  
  7. If you're a child or a woman you may be forced to become a walking cruise missle. Here if your a child or woman you stand a real good chance to live a good life.
  
  Well I see your reasoning why would any one choose to live in a country founded on Judeo/Christian values? When you could choose to live in a islamic country, what more could you ask?
  
  What the hell is wrong with you Leonard!!??
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In my contact with Islam I have found people to be gracious, caring, civilized to an extent that you will never understand. I think you have been watching too many kluless klux klan movies and sucking up too much anti Islam propaganda from people justifying their war on Islam. You I don't care about much, but such drivel obscures very real issues of human rights that could be addressed in Islamic countries, and the west.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you think he could "never understand"? And are you seriously accusing him of associating with the KKK? Really?
  
  And while we're at it, what is this "war on Islam" you mentioned?
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you stop dripping in with pointless moronic crap and start posting useful comments. It is just as easy, but it would require you to have an opinion.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for deciding my comments are pointless moronic crap. I hope someday I can manage something deemed "useful" by your superior "evolved," and "enlightened" self.
  
  As I've said before, you are entitled to your opinions. I may not agree, and will say so if I don't, but I won't say you don't have an opinion. Even when you avoid answering direct questions.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think 'him' is perfectly able to answer for himself as it is 'him' and me who are having this discussion.
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  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As there is the Islamic propaganda from people justifying their religion and it's war on mankind, rationale and reason.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  religous thinking = no thinking at all
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That statement makes no sense. I'm amazed that some people still think it's 'shocking' or proof of some great 'intellect' to make dramatic anti-religion statements. It's like they're looking for admiration or a pat on the back or something. How courageous to take a stand against any kind of establishment! What a bold, individual thinker! Yawn. It's old news that a certain sort of person has issues with faith and religion (and other things). There's no one left to impress.
  
  If some people have faith and follow this or that religion - fine.
  If some people don't and/or don't want to follow this or that religion - fine.
  
  The theatrics have grown cold.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps I missed that news report. Just what "certain sort of person" are you referring to?
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
Anyone's idea of Justus = injustice to somebody
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - I think this is the whole point
  
  The other issue, not so simple, is that the more diverse and different ways there are around - the better we are able see the issues with our own.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree but only if we are paying attention.
  Some of us got it figgured out and then we shut our eyes to any other posability..
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Pandoras Boxposted 14 years ago
What about when the condemned turn out to be innocent?
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If we believe that there is an afterlife.... being put to death as a punishment would in fact be a blessing. Hope nobody cuts my hand off unjustly for stealing when I didn't do it.!!! wouldn't be able to make an income and will have to steel again and then would loose the other hand.??????
  How is that justus? ...
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How is that a reasonable argument. Touting extremes is extremism and mindless.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't know I was suposed to be making a reasonable "ARGUEMENT" thought I was just talking.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When we find a perfect answer to justice then this will not be an issue, I don't see that coming - and your comment also applies to every system.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  True true.
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Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago
these types of laws were written many years ago.
stoning, castration, limb removal, etc. were used as an extreme means of controlling crime in the population. there were no 'prisons' and 'lawyers'. There were rocks and witnesses.

We should not forget of all punishments, Rome was historically the worst. Absolute zero tolerance or mercy for anyone, public torture was a SPORT to them, a public expectation!

The need for public execution still is used today -primarily in (Western capital punishment)
perhaps with today's more {cough} civilized nations, more humane forms of such displays are used -like lethal injection...
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Denno66posted 14 years ago
Um, the door that says Tixe, um, ooops, Exit, sorry....
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
The biggest problem is wondering if; whatever the rules are regardless of the consequences can we abide well enough to get to the end of our journey with our eyes, arms, tongues, etc,. intact?
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Pandoras Boxposted 14 years ago
I am very proud of myself right now. I am not laughing in the face of the man who offered to "get a word" for me from god on the does god talk to you thread. I could laugh in his face, or I could go on at some length as to why I think his beliefs are foolish, but no, I shall not ridicule him or attempt to "re-educate" him.

I am so good.

But the temptation was really hard to resist. Don W if you should read this know that it's all your fault.
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Alotaposted 14 years ago
I love life, lets make peace not war
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Islam's "justice" is about as insane as it gets. Hate, fear and abuse form it's basis.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend earnestshub
  
  I don't agree with you unless you prove it from the roots; Quran.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The quoran like the bible is a pile of controlling lies told by men.
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TMMasonposted 13 years ago
Descriminatory, patriarchal, misogynistic, anti-christian, anti-jew, anti-pagan and non-believer, hateful, brutally sadistic, and unconstitutional.

Did I miss anything Pass.

Would you like me to post proof of my assertions... i can.
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nkhoironiposted 13 years ago
I am sorry for @earnestshub who might say something about Qur'an without reading it first. I suggest that you read it thoroughly and share your opinion after you get a real understanding.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend nkhoironi
  
  I agree with you. You have given a good piece of advice.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Condescending horse poo!
  
  Before you "feel sorry" for someone, maybe you should find out what they know first!
  I can quote the quoran or bible all day, done the study, put in the time!
  Been there, done that.
  If you want a pi**ing competition bring it on!
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