How can 1 "individual" upset so many biblical believers?

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   manlypoetrymanposted 15 years ago

   good point...and obviously one that bothers you...is that the root of the separarists thinking that bothers you...or are you just side-steppin' again?

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      marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      If it bothered me, I would believe out of fear as most believers do.

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         manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         
         UUUHH...That Sounds Logical...? (In accordance with your overall "Group" dynamics...way of thinking, Right?) You sure say group alot...or is it about what the individual thinks...No, with you its about not following any group...but everyone else that follows the opposite of you...follows a group. Groups are bad...kind'a like sheep. Your saying I'm a sheep...Oh, of course now...I get it. Why didn't you just come right out and say it? Groups=Sheep<Individuals=Logic...It is so simple. I'm surprised...i never thought of that...Duh? And yet...another very open-minded opinion shared by yourself. You sure impress me with your broad interpretive perception on things...Yawn.

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            marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Why do you hate me?

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   I once had neighbors that had a few children.
     One little boy would come over when ever he saw me outside working on something. He was a little distracting with his curiosity but his inquisitive nature was charming. His  brother (about a year older)would see this and he would come over. He would prevent his younger brothers inquiries with his babble, scattering my tools and parts,and spilling things. I think that he did these things intentionally because of his jealousy of the attention his brother was receiving.
   
     Needless to say; I had my favorite.

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   Niteriterposted 15 years ago

   I think marine is a genius. He gets people to react exactly in line with his intended script.

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      Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      It doesn't take a genius to figure out if you lie to well-meaning people who trust you, they'll be hurt and upset when they find out they've been played for fools.

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         sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I'd say they prolly didn't trust him but gave him the benefit of a doubt.
         
         Marine, knowing they would 'receive him' because it would make them happy.  Distastefully played on their good nature to uncover what he foresaw as their bad nature.
         
         The problem with Marines hypothesis, or stunt if you will.  Was that he willed the situate to take a negative course.  He started with a negative and received a negative.
         
         Marine was no genius.  In fact, I could side in this case with the Christians or even Biblical parable.
         
         To a pure heart shows pure, to a foul one shows itself foul.
         I don't recall off the top of my head what verse this is from but it is something like this.
         
         Regarding truth and facts.  I think both should get it out of your heads that truth and fact are the same.  They aren't the same.
         
         Just because something is true doesn't make it a fact.  Just because something is a fact doesn't make it trustworthy.
         
         It is true that I read the Bible.  I take a lot from it.  I find some facts in it but the facts don't make it true.
         
         What I find truthful in it is the way humans act.  However the book itself is not literally factual.
         
         Facts are facts for all, truth is individual.
         
         One Christian says, Jesus came to me.  Other Christians and non christians alike say, I don't believe that that actually happened.  The beholder says now that god is a fact. 
         
         His opposition say it is not a fact.  He then changes his position and say god is a truth.
         
         It's like someone telling me that I don't love my kid because I yelled at her.  Or I love her less because she made me angry.  It would be a fact that I yelled at her and she made me angry.  But there is no truth in reasoning that I love her less because of it.
         
         A police officer conducting an investigation ask for the facts.  Just the facts ma'am just the facts.
         
         A judge ask for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 
         
         The suspect is innocent until proven guilt. 
         
         In this case, Marine played the victim (read that statement carefully). Oddly, no one said anything about the Christians who embraced regardless of their doubt.  Let's take Mike for example.
         
         Mike had an idea that Marine was blowing smoke up their arses.  He still welcomed him.  But what most saw was his doubt but you didn't see his faith.
         
         So I say again... the irony is timeless.

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   Niteriterposted 15 years ago

   I knew his ruse the moment I saw the post; I don't know why others didn't. Marine is a genius.

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      Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      They did. Read the entire thread. They suspected something but they were willing to trust him because they were happy for him.
      
      He's no genius. All he did was pull a cruel joke that hurt a lot of people.

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      marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank You Sir, however I disagree, but I am very appreciative of your compliment. I am ignorant in many things and I acknowledge my ignorance in many things. I see a lot of things blurry, however, I see how belief, faith, and logic work crystal clear. It is annoying at times trying to explain something I see that others refuse to see. However, I try to maintain a logical mind. Something faith does not teach.

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         Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I'm sorry, but you don't.
         
         I know you can't accept that statement because you are a totally black and white thinker about all three. When it comes to faith, belief and logic everything must be exactly the way you see it or you refuse to believe it can be true. There are no shades of grey in your world which is why you can't see what others can. If you'd accept even one shade you'd realize how much you're missing.
         
         But your mind is like a steel trap -- rusted shut. You refuse to acknowledge whatever doesn't fit neatly inside. And, sadly, there's no way anyone can force it open no matter what they say.

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   lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago

   genius indeed

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   Niteriterposted 15 years ago

   And don't forget "(person's) best friend".

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   Niteriterposted 15 years ago

   I read the whole thing. I still think he's a genius. Maybe he's a cruel genius! Ta ta.

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      tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      If that's a genius, what's Einstein ??

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   lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago

   brilliant i would say

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   prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago

   marine will be a good actor like my favorite, Clint Eastwood...Dirty Harry...
   
   "I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a 44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clear off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"
   
   HES A PUNK...

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    prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago

    I LOVE "PUNK"

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    Valerie Fposted 15 years ago

    I'd say the operative verse here is about reaping what you sow. If you sow discord, don't expect anything but more of the same. Marine's not a genius. He's a bully.

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       sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I was going to use that one but thought it was too cleche'.

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    TheFaithfulSheppposted 15 years ago

    http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Scientist-And-The-Monkey
    
    This is very interesting Valerie

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       Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Really? I found it to be another hub of self-aggrandizing manure.
       
       Whose lives are being saved? Whose cancer is being cured by a lie about a conversion?

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          TheFaithfulSheppposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          It sometimes takes sacrifice of the monkeys in progression of learning.

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       IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I'm not a monkey, nor do I appreciate being called one.  This is horrible Marinealways24.  This is horrible, and to think I WAS a fan.  You've been denied access as a fan of mine too.  This is an incredibly, senseless act of cruelty.  I hope you get banned.  I have reported your actions to the hubpage team, and I hope others will also. 
       
       Terrible.  What makes you think you can insult mine or anyone else's character in such a demeaning way and get away with it?
       
       Shame on you.  Shame, shame, shame on you.  Is that what they taught you to do in the military?  Ridicule people, and to be mean and hateful to the people you once cared for you and your family?  Is that what the military teaches you to behave.  My father is a Marine.  Served 3 tours in Vietnam. You calling people like me, a marine brat who grew up on military bases all over the world, a monkey- is a direct insult on my father's character. Ever make that connection? Shame on you.

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          TheFaithfulSheppposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Should he have said sheep instead? Why are you sad? The monkey survived and new things were learned.

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             IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             You had no right to violate my trust, and demean my character by calling us "monkeys."  You- under both identities have been flagged. 
             
             Deception=cruelty
             
             You have no right to deceive us into participating in a personal "science project."  Matter of fact, it is actually criminal.  Under Missouri law, I can now force HubPages to turn over all the information they have about you- and file fraud charges based off of how you wrote up your hub, and published your findings on an INTERNATIONAL website.  I never gave you consent.
             I was never gave you permission, to do this TO me.  Apparently no one else gave YOU permission either.  So they would have a case too. 
             
             And furthermore, since you choose to publish you science experiment on the Internet, and since it was done across my Missouri state line- YOU've JUST VIOLATED MY HIPPA rights to privacy.  That's a federal offense. It doesn't matter whether YOU named names or not- just the fact that I unknowingly participated in your personal science experiment under my hubpage alias- is good enough.  So how's that for being a genius.  Apparently you're not a genius in medical law.
             
             I'm very mad about this.  I trusted you.

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                IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                And just so you know, I've called my lawyer about this- and I'm right.  You had NO right to conduct a scientific experiment, without the written consent all the constituents involved- sign permission slips.  YOU had NO right. 
                
                Here in America, YOU don't get to scientific experiments on people's thought processes, just because you want to.  You don't get to publish your findings, that link back to this forum where our aliases are used instead of the general "monkey" term YOU used in your PUBLISHED article.
                
                YOU have NO right to violate me, or ANYONE else's right to privacy living in America, who has participated in this forum thread.  It is against the law.  Especially because this site is set up as a business.
                
                Who the hell do you think you are?
                Well I'll tell you- not a very smart person to violate my rights, is who you are.  I'm seriously thinking of pushing forward with this thing, based solely off of principle.  You don't have the right in America, to freely hurt people without breaking some sort of law.  And I'm tired of people like you, getting off scottfree for doing stuff like this.

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                   RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Here's a hub that did some good for me.  It is a political based hub, but nonetheless it is on this very subject matter of being personally violated by other bloggers. http://hubpages.com/hub/Hatred-among-th … of-America

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                manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Put me down on a double of what she said....for this childish...and irresponsible act...I don't know any internet laws...but i'm cheering ya' IntimatEvolution..big time. OK...HUB PAGES...PLEASE READ...what IntimatEvolution just posted. I know I unknowingly participated in this guys little experiment...and I ain't happy about it either! Signed, Manly Poetry Man

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             sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Yet it seems that you are the one who didn't learn anything.
             
             Well, you didn't sacrifice anything.
             
             -sacrifice was necessary in hopes of finding a medicine of curing separatism.-
             
             You idea of separatism is based on your choice to separate. In actuality, you are the 'separatist'.
             
             -It is only logical that the bible and any religion are separatist.-
             -Why did I do it? I believe in unity, not separatism.-
             
             You say injecting a monkey with a virus so that can also find a cure to save millions is not exactly moral.
             
             Using a monkey that was already sick, determining its sickness and then injecting them with a 'cure' that would save millions is understandable.
             
             Making them sick, curing them and then claiming you are a hero is wrong.
             
             In other words, for your experiment to even work, you would then have to make everyone sick with the virus you created and then cure them with the antidote you made exclusively to cure the disease you created.
             
             I don't think you can see how fundamentally flawed you are as a scientist and a 'logical' human. 
             
             Your villainous. For lack of better word.

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    Sara Tonynposted 15 years ago

    Welcome, TheFaithfullShepp! How serendipitous that you decided to join HP right after that hub was published! And then you found and chose this forum to read and post to!
    
    Wow! What luck!
    
    Nothing obvious about your sudden appearance. Is marine opening a new browser so he can log in under his other name?

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       TheFaithfulSheppposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Is that faith or logic?

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          Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You're really getting desperate, marine. Give it up. You look foolish.

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             sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Yip, he has become what he hates.  Nice!

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          tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          What's a shepp ?
          A marine alter ego ?
          
          SAD !

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       Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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    h.a.borcichposted 15 years ago

    Great link RK

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       RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hey, how's it going?  Yeah, I just stumbled upon it, and said to myself- I think this is the underlying problem to this thread.  It is the underlying problem to a lot of threads.  I've even been the mean, villainous one in charge of personal attacks.  But after I read this great hub, it knocked me off my high horse.  I think people tend to forget that other people exist behind these computer screens.  Just because you cannot see each other, does not mean you get to do or say what you want too. I've done that, and I've been a victim of that.  If all of us would read this guys hub, and remember the moral/state/federal laws that govern us as a society, we'd be okay.  Seeing how- this message is a little too late for Marinealways24 and his other aliases, maybe it would help some other hubbers before it is too late. 
       
       Great chatting with you.

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    h.a.borcichposted 15 years ago

    RK,
    
       I am ok, and I agree. I have been watching more than I am participating on the sensitive forums and it is eye opening. To interact on the forums without forgetting that real people are involved seems to be a challenge for a few. And I know what you mean about that high horse - I try to keep mine out from under my arse too. Good seeing you.
    
       To all, Does this kind of deception happen much on the forums? It seems pretty low and underhanded.

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       Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       There are heated -- sometimes nasty -- debates in religion and politics forums, but I've never experienced any deception before.
       
       Of course I've only been here 3 months.

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    terrowhiteposted 15 years ago

    WHat's teh topic all about

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    h.a.borcichposted 15 years ago

    TY - Good to know.
    
    Hubby and I have heated debates frequently, but we have never had a fight. It isn't required.

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    prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago

    The thing here is that some people come to the forum with a belief and have their own stand, they want to change other people too to follow what they believe in, or else they resort to name calling

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    prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago

    some people will be open to hear other ideas and you may persuade them to believe what you are saying, but other people would just stick to their own opinion,
    
    respect and open mindedness is needed here

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    manlypoetrymanposted 15 years ago

    Your levelheadedness is a good thing...PDH. I just don't think it will get through to the one who started an avalanche on top of himself.

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       prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       hi manly....yes and making fool of other people too is not a nice idea...underestimating their way of thinking, if only we will have an open mind and then talk about things and consider what the other person is saying and just respecting them, the forum will be boring LOL...haha

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          manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Good point...it needs a little edge and drama to stay interesting...but you can go to far. How far is too far?
          
          Read this thread...and the one titled "I am saved"...then the Hub that goes with this about how we were tested like monkeys in an experiment...and that would be a good definition of "too far" ! Keep up the great attitude...PDH...Your always one of the ones...that can add some nice words to the melee!

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             prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             hi manly.....I dont like to participate in a forum where we are all taken as guinea pigs, and I will not tolerate forums like that only for the sake of boringness.....

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    Cagsilposted 15 years ago

    This whole thread is out of whack now and extremely distorted.

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       prettydarkhorseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       hmmm CAGSIL, CAGSIL

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       tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Everything was distorted from the begining.
       distorted mind, distorted results

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          manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          That is a world of truth...tantrum. Very well said...

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             tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             hi manly !!
             Happy you agree with me !

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                manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                No problem with that...you are very sound in much of your thoughts...you know I respect your thinkin'...

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    prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago

    another thing there is KHARMA too, you should finished what you started also, if not all will be thrown at your face and the only thing to save your face is to exit out.......

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    prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago

    to be honest about it, when marine posted something about going into college etc, i noticed already that he has different agenda, and as always, you cant always get away from what youre doing, at some point all the things youve done will come back to you at once, I dont know if he is happy about what he did etc...

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