What is accomplished by torturing someone forever?
What is accomplished by torturing someone forever in hell? After all, isnt punishment corrective and not vindictive?
The concept of eternal punishment is just an invention by religious leaders of all stripes to ensure control over the population.
Mick: I am all ears...please educate me. So, how can you account for the secular U.S. government? How can you account for the atheistic governments of China and Russia? These countries usurp control over the masses, yet God is nowhere to be found.
Mostly revenge. However, what could someone do to deserve such pain? I'll never understand. You might believe punishment is corrective, but not always. Throughout history, it wasn't corrective at all. Sometimes people were punished just for social gain or because they were bored.
The words that refer to eternal death only means " gone forever"....never to return.
One shall not burn forever, that is only symbolic for eternal death.
Either way....it represent the end.
We all have a choice as to where we will spend eternity. This is called God's grace. Grace is what has set us free through the sacrifice of our lord Jesus Christ. God's grace will set you free.
That doenst answer the question as to what the purpose if for eternally torturing someone.
The purpose of eternal fire was for the Devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). We also see from this passage that the Almighty sees those who live their lives apart from Him as "cursed". They, too, will be cast into the flames prepared for the Devil.
Aw so God made hell for the devil and his angels (lol), but through His infinit wisdom, He failed to see that most of His creation would end up there as well.
Rejecting Christ Yeshua (Jesus) and His Heavenly Father is a decision people make for themselves through exercising their free will. I do not, therefore, think the Almighty or His Son banish anyone to eternal damnation, because that's something people do to themselves...it's a choice and decision they have made through willful indifference or out of wanton rebellion.
An even better question is "What is accomplished by allowing everyone to go to Heaven?" or "What is accomplished by blessing everyone with eternal glory?"
You fail to accept the fact that the Almighty and His only begotten Son, Christ Yeshua, amongst other things, are Holy and Just. The Almighty cannot allow filth to enter into His presence. Therefore a suitable sacrifice had to be made, thus the innocent, bitter, suffering and death of His beloved Son on the cross of Calvary. Through Christ's perfect sacrifice all can be saved IF they accept Him and His sacrifice, repent of their sins, and follow Him.
Did it ever occur to you that eternal damnation is the automatic default setting and that Christ Yeshua (Jesus) is the only way to eternal life? All paths do not lead to God. Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to my Father except through Me." - John 14:6
For those who choose to live apart from God and reject His only begotten Son, and choose, therefore, to do their own thing and follow alternative paths...chances are they will see allot more of the same throughout eternity.
If one wants to live apart from the Most High and His victorious Son, Christ Yeshua (Jesus), that is just fine...but you must be willing to live with the consequences - whatever they may be.
I, for one, believe the Almighty and His Son are pure love and pure light - and trying to find this apart from Them is a fool's errand. The farther from Them one travels - the closer to darkness and pain one comes. Do not deceive yourselves into thinking things will come out smelling like roses for those who reject the KING of Kings and LORD of Lords.
To think that all paths lead to God and that everyone will be saved is a doctrine of devils and is inspired by the spirit of error.
I cannot think of anything more terrorizing and horrifying than eternal separation from God. The complete absence of hope, joy, love, goodness and peace for all eternity will be like a consuming fire that has no end.
I already know your take on hell CJ, but the question remains, what does God accomplish by eternally torturing anyone? After all, if hell exists, He created it, and all what He creates is good and for His purpose and pleasure. As for your question,
God does not torture anyone - but their consciences will be seared and their souls set afire with despair. Their torment is a byproduct of their rebellion, indifference, and disbelief. The "cursed" will lay down in a bed of flames made for the Devil
hey, if God created hell for His purose and pleasure, it is He who makes them suffer eternally, because everything has a source.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOM..... You just summed everything up in a nutshell. Those who do not accept God belong to the devil.
If that is true, then God is a hypocrite with double standards.
No it is people who will not accept the TRUTH who have double standards. The only way to heaven is through the blood of Jesus Christ.
SOM: I trust the Almighty and Yeshua without reservation. Yes, the Almighty created hell, but it was to be a place of torment and like everything God created - He made it very well. Satan's kids will follow the father of lies into judgment and fire.
You both put your trust in a image of a tyrant. He who commands us to love, bless and forgive our enemies but throws His in hell? I call it do as I say, not as I do. I get it. Your image of God reminds me of this idol in Dan 3:1-6.
My understanding of Hell is that it is simply existing without God. Since God is the source of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness and self control... When I sit and imagine living in a world without all those traits it sounds like torture to me
God gains nothing by people choosing to live apart from Him and that is why He asks all of his believers to spread the word to others so that they won't have to. Hell and torment are not of God's design nor in His plan. He wants us all to stay near him, but he offers us free will to do as we choose.
There is nothing free about your freewill according to your beliefs sister, because if what you say is true. The price for having a freewill will be more than most can bear.
Yeah, SOM, being accountable for freedom of choice can be a pain in the butt. As Jesus said, "Don't fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." - Matthew 10:28
I have come to notice something about you CJ. I use to find you interesting, but you have an answer for everything. Anyone unwilling to end an opinion with a question mark is the last person anyone should listen to.
SOM, I think you misunderstand my comment: Hell isn't the price for free will but it is the result of some's choosing.
If I want to feel the sun on my face then choose to stand in the shade, I don't blame the sun nor the shade for my choice.
Yes, SOM, I have come to notice something about you, too. Your arguments are weak and you hate it when people are persistent and do their homework. I am sorry I cannot be weak-minded and wishy washy so you can sway me with doctrines of devils.
@Stacey, so God who wills and desires to save all (1Tim2:3-4) has made mans will soveriegn over His own will? For Him nothing is too hard, but our free will makes saving all too hard for Him. I get it.
There is nothing accomplished by eternal torture in hell. Then again, there is no hell to speak of as according to the three original versions of the bible
Where else is the Almighty going to place the Devil, his demons and the damned? Jesus said, "Then He will also say to those on the left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!'" Matthew 25:41
And what version of the Bible did this come from? And keep in mind that the KJV and all other versions other than Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic are translations of translations of these three versions colored to instill fear and force conversion
The only translation that saw the original Hebrew was in the form of the Greek Septuagint. The Massoretic texts were compiled between the seventh and thirteenth century A.D. The New Testament was written in Kione Greek and is still read to this day.
Heaven is eternal and God is eternal, therefore perhaps the severity of an offense is measured, not merely by the nature of the act itself, but also in relation to the one offended.
Also, the reward for accepting Christ as Lord and Saviour and overcoming evil in this physical life is eternity in God's Kingdom whether one does this at age 19 or age 99 just before dying, whether someone does only one good work or several because salvation is by faith and not works. On the other end of the spectrum, punishment is also eternal for rejecting Jesus as Lord and Saviour.
God decided that entrance into His Kingdom had no time limit, it would be for eternity, so then would the punishment given to those who rejected Him, not to be based only on what they did and the severity of their actions or it would be "you only killed one person so you spend "x" amount of time in Hell, see you when you get out." Just the same, eternal life is not based merely on good works or it would be "you helped 2 little old ladies and cared for your dying mother so you get "x" amount of time in Heaven, see you when you get out."
I appreciate your thoughts on this matter, but I don't see where souls will go once they have paid their debt to God. Once souls see the Almighty in His glory, there will be no need for faith and without faith one cannot please God. So then what?
My answer is the only thing that is accomplished is the satisfaction hell wishers get when they relish the thought that unbelievers roast while they sit cozy in heaven.
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