When Jesus said we can do greater works than him what did he mean, do you agree? (See quote below)
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. (New King James Version)
He was saying that he could do much more than he actually did. Jesus healed people by just touching them. Peter healed people when his shadow touched them. It doesn't mean that Peter was more powerful than Jesus. Jesus just didn't use his full power when he was on the earth.
Jesus said this because he knew after he left the disciples to go back to heaven, the Holy Spirit would be sent as the last witness to humans. Therefore, the disciples would be empowered to perform miracles and wonders by the power of the Holy Spirit in them.
This is why nowadays the miraculous powers of God is seen at a greater scale than during Jesus' time. God is referred as the Father who utters words, Jesus is referred as the Word and the Holy Spirit who is also part of Godhead carries out the words uttered by God through Jesus.
That is why Jesus promised the disciples if he would not go then the helper and comforter would not be sent. The Holy Spirit is the one who enables God's servants to perform miracles, the reason we do greater works than Jesus did. Remember, when Jesus was baptized he was filled with the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, I agree we can do greater works than him because Jesus knew the Holy Spirit would enable us so that those who do not believe by faith the Good News will believe by actions.
I challenge you to prove where "greater works than Jesus did" have been done. If you are able to do greater works, then where are they?
The perfect example is the Book of Acts of the Apostles found in the Bible. The best reference. However, one should not confuse miracles and magic because from your question that is what you are implying. Magic is not greater works from Jesus context
I meant evidence that can be historically verified. No one can confirm the followers of Jesus actually did those things.
RTB: We can talk to "people" like u via technology. That's just one of the "greater works than He" we are doing!
He may have known what the future would look like. To those in his era if they could see man landing on the moon, flying around the globe in airplanes, cell phones, countless medical advances and medicines, electricity, trains, automobiles, skyscrapers, computers, email, Skype, ships, air conditioning, plumbing, television, radio, cameras, microwaves, construction and farming machinery, refrigeration, and numerous other things we use daily would all seem "miraculous" or unbelievable to folks in his time!
All of those physical things are not miracles. They are ordinary, action-reaction, cause-and-effect physical reality. Miracles are about rising above the physical.
Dash: You're right! TECHNOLOGY! Reach more people! TV, computers, etc. Matt 24:14. If we line up w/Jesus' Doctrine, be filled w/HS, rec Power fm on high, use tech, then we will be able to "do more than He!" Not bcuz we have "more" pwr but reach more
He was speaking of doing greater miracles than he could do. There is a technique in the psychic realm. In fact, many adepts have discovered the technique. Unfortunately, spiritual powers must be used in secret because it brings federal investigations. Anyone doing a public display of miracles or spiritual powers will be harassed by the government because it disrupts the control that they want to maintain over the society. In this country they use ridicule, debunkers and professional skeptics to destroy the beliefs in unknown powers. The goal is to keep the people powerless. Whenever someone finds the secrets of using Chi, Odic force, Prana, Radionics or various other strange powers, they mysteriously have an untimely death or disappear. So the adepts advise people to practice doing miracles at a distance and in secret. Some people are still too advanced for the society. The last thing they want is for a person to have millions of followers because of miracles that defy the rules of science and logic. You will find people using such powers in Japan, Tibet, China and India, but sometimes their government comes after them if too many people start following them. The same reason they wanted to stop Jesus.
So these "greater works" are not seen because of government persecution? Very nice excuse. Almost believable. So did Jesus mean for his followers to practice all their miracles in secret?
He didn't, but we saw what happened to him. If you amass a large following, you automatically go under serveillance by the Feds. Look at China's Falun Dafa cult. Millions follow for a reason. If they didn't get results, why bother about it?
The Age of Miracles never ended.
I have seen such miracles in my own lifetime. When we are of the spirit, then such things are effortless, because effort equates to doubt and doubt removes one from the realm of spirit.
Spirit is Love, as is God. When we love others (even our enemies) as ourselves, then we are Love without self-concern and thus without limitation.
Moving mountains, planets or even galaxies is no different than even the tiniest miracle. Faith knows no limitation.
The context for john 14:12 reveals that Jesus was explaining to his disciples that the time would come where he would have to die and be resurrected to a heavenly life. He reminded them of how unified him and his Father were and then he goes on to say the words in John 14:12. How would his disciples do greater works than Jesus? Well Jesus knew that the preaching work was just getting started with his ministry and that his apostles as well as future disciples would have to carry on this work to a greater extent. Jesus stated in Acts 1:8 that they would be "witnesses of him...to the most distant part of the earth." So they would reach more territories and more people than Jesus reached while he was on earth. After Jesus went to heaven Christians in the first century experienced much success in their ministry. Acts 2:41 and Acts 4:4 show that thousands were becoming true Christians. Today millions have made the same decision.They would also carry out this ministry over a longer period of time which has now been going on for over 2000 years. Jesus ministry lasted 3 1/2 years.
Jesus was also expressing confidence in his followers that they would carry out the most important work ever done, the preaching and teaching of the good news of the kingdom. Jesus stated that was God's will for him in Luke 4:43 and trusted his disciples to do the same. (Luke 13:24)
Yes, I believe!
If we "line up" with the apostle's doctrine (which was really not the apostle's doctrine according to Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Hebrews 8:10;10:16), it can be done! These Scriptures promised "a new covenant, after those days (after He ascended), which would put His laws in our mind, and write them in our hearts.."
When He "went to his father" and sent the Comforter (Holy Spirit) as promised In John 14:26, that would "...teach us all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever ever I have said unto you, that gave us the "power!"
On the Day of Pentecost (when the original church was established) the Holy Spirit came "as a mighty rushing wind" which began "..putting His laws in their minds, and writing them in their hearts.." Afterwards, they only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
That's just one area that "religion" needs to "line up" with Jesus' Doctrine! Although referred to as the apostles' doctrine in Acts 2:42, it was really Jesus' Doctrine because He promised a New Covenant in Jeremiah and Hebrews that would "put His laws in their mind, and write them in their hearts" which He fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost!
Until "religion" do as the Scriptures has told us to do, they will never be capable of performing these actions! We have the map (Scriptures); however, we are not following directions! Until we turn from "religion" and/or "tradition and learn how to "rightly divide the Word" with the guidance of the Holy Spirit instead of allowing the flesh to get involved, we will be limited! But if we would "ALL" get on "one accord" as they were on the Day of Pentecost, we could concur this world from Satan and "Do greater things than He!" Reason being, Jesus did not have all of the technology, transportation, etc. to spread this "Good News!"
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