Was Christ Jesus tolerant of other religions or did he teach that there was only one true religion?
Very good question , By his command to continue the preaching work as he sent 70 out by twos in Luke 10:1
I considered this scripture as the truth at King James Version Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The bible says gospel in King James , also in the New World translation it is Good News.
So I am understanding only one truth being preached the one Jesus Started.
But we are to finish the work as Jesus commanded and instructed the same way he did it.
So we must be tolerant Jesus was.
K&T: Read my response! The Holy Spirit(JESUS) spoke thru the Apostles telling them what to do under the New Covenant! We should do as they did! (Matt 28:20 & Acts 2:42); otherwise, we err!
Who is the us here ? King James Version Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Except that God's name is not Jesus, it's Jehovah.
Norine American Standard Version Ex 3:15Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever,and this is my memorial unto all generations. KJV replaces with LORD
K&T: Computer repairman just left. Sorry I took so long responding. Let us move to NEW COVENANT! Phil 2:10! "at the name of JESUS every knee will bow" not Jehovah! How does Jn 20:28 read in that version?
King James Version
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son (Jesus)also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God(Jehovah) may be all in all.
The point is Jehovah will be over us all.
K&T: He operates in ALL "GLORIES" simultaneously if He desires! Col 2:9. Wil subdue All thgs to Himself! His Name is JESUS in the dispensation in which we NOW live! We will bow to that Name & that Name ONLY! (Phil 2:9-11) Come out fm the law
You're directly contradicting God Himself @ 1 Cor. 15:28 for He is the Grand Author of all the Bible.
K&T:Jehovah is Hebrew for God. God is WHAT HE is, JESUS is WHO HE IS in the dispensation we now live in. OT fufilled. Under NEW COVENANT! Crucifying JESUS again if you stay under law(OT)! JOE: "Subdue to HIMSELF" if u look @ Scripture IN THE SPI
"Jehovah is Hebrew for God."
Aija. I agree with you accept the last part that's all we need , you left out endurance , Reference Bible
Mt 24:13 but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be
I believe that He said that the only way to God is through Him. This indicates that He probably does not recognize other religions, especially the ones that worship demons like Baal or the false Hindu gods.
Star: Yes, the only way to Him is through Him! John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD." (v3) All things were made by Him.." V14) He was IN THE WORLD, & the world WAS MADE BY HIM.." And still don'
That scripture was translated by King James,1600's in error ,you quoted a scripture you are not really hearing,"In the beginning"was the word, and the word was with God.
That is the error,in the beginning was his son.God is eternal with no beginning
K&T:And the Word was God! Spirit has nothing but Word speaking to our hearts!U said "Jesus was there in beginning" I do too! He created ALL things Jn 1:3! You deny this?Jesus said in Rev 1:8 "He's beginning & end, 1st & last.."Before Abrh
Norine Jesus name was not established until he was born on earth.
He was a sacred secret.
There you go about all glories, simple there is more then one person at the scene. now you are talking nonsense .
K&T: Did he lie "Before Abraham was I AM?" Did he lie "I & my Father are One?" Did he lie "I'm Alpha & Omega?" Did he lie Col 2:9? Don't u hv diff glories? Ur still 1 being! So is Jesus! John 17:5! I didn't spk of Glories, He did! Bfore w
Jehovah and Jesus do not lie but when people are persistent to believe what they want not according to scripture the fault lies with you. Stop quoting other scriptures when you can not honestly answer the one I requested. Pride leads to nothing.
K&T: "At the NAME of JESUS every knee will bow..." Not Jehovah, Not Father, Not Son, Not Holy Spirit BUT JESUS! "...Jesus is Lord (God) to the glory of God, the Father." Jn 17:5! I didn't write it! U can't "see" it, ask Jesus (Holy Spirit)! Stud
King James Version
Joh 17:5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was
he is praying to The Father
Simple. Why would he pray to his self.
K&T: Can't u look at the Word in the Spirit and not father & son? Spirit (Jesus) fills heaven & earth! Yes, praying to Himself! Don't u talk to urself? U should now say "Let me see if this "fool" is right?" I admire you for seeking "truth
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Rich thank you for that comment, it makes sense that they are not the same beings. Two different as Father and the Father created a son his firstborn known by his heavenly name Michael. The earthy name Jesus as the Messiah
K&T: Listen to yourself! "They are two beings?" We have two Gods? Stop! We are talking about THE ALMIGHTY SPIRIT! He's in ALL believers, but He can't walk on earth, while in heaven, and be in believers on earth simultaneously? We're talking "I AM
Not recognizing the Father Jehovah puts you in danger of this. KJV Re 3:5 the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Spirit persons, spirit beings, yes. See 1 Cor. 15:44.
K&T:Jehovah's not the NAME you'll bow to!There is ONE Spirit JESUS who was on earth while His SPIRIT was everywhere else He desired! He's talking to "man" the 7 churches n Rev.Still talking so "man" can relate! Reconciliation!U thk He'll kill JES
Correction. I think you meant to say is that "Jehovah is not the PERSON you'll bow to" and he most certainly is. See Fil 2:9-11.
Joe:How does your Phil 2:9-11 read?What translation? I Tim 3:16"AND W/O CONTROVERSY GRT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS: "GOD" WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH,.REC'D UP INTO "GLORY!" (K&T)What God was manifest in the "FLESH?"Look at Jesus! Don't crucify ag
New World Translation
Joh 17:1Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you.
Jesus looked up in heaven to talk to his Father. Not to himself.
K&T: Yes, speaking to Himself! (v3) "..that they might know thee, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Fathered Himself!(v 5) "..with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE the world was." What? BEFORE the world was? Jesus is
King James Version
Mt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Are you listening Norine .the Father said it!
K&T: You no the Holy Spirit can be in more than one place at a time? He's in ALL believers isn't He?We're talking SPIRIT who fills heaven & earth!Stop looking as daddy/son!This is JESUS we're talking about!Man has LIMITED GOD whose name is J
Norine holy spirit of the Father made a son Named Michael, and
Earth name Jesus. That is truth .
Norine you want to totally disregard the OT where does it say do that?
Jesus was our cure, does that mean we should disown the one who sent the cure ? Did Jesus also read from the scrolls ? From a little boy he did. If not important he would say so.
K&T: He FULFILLED OT/LAW! Gal 3:24-25! Read all of Galatains 3 and 4! Gal 4:16? Law & Grace CANNOT co-exist! Gal 4:19-31! ALLEGORY, as is FATHER & SON! "MYSTERY!" I Timothy 3:16!
Norine notice King James uses all capital letters for Jehovah's name , to show Father and Son
K&T: I cant repeat enough that Jehovah is WHAT He is, NOT WHO He is! His Name Chgd under NEW COV! We're no longer under LAW! I Tim 1:3-11.Gal 3:24-25! Did Christ die in vain?
RK notice two different minds King James Version
Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only..
The Father know things the Son does not. They are separate.
Cam 8510 My eyes mistaken your name of Chris , your comment insightful and true. Forgive my error of your name please.
cam and Chris, both. c-a-m are my initials and screen name.
"His Name Chgd under NEW COV!"
Prove it. Prove that Jehovah God changed his name.
Remember, all non-answers will be removed.
Funny story: Baal isn't a demon--Baal is the god of rain, and he was one of the major deities of the ancient Canaanites and (are you sitting down?) the ancient Hebrews. Baal was instrumental to early Judaism until Moses came along.
@ Joe: Rem "I AM?" If Script says GOD was "manifested in the flesh (JESUS)," (I Tim 3:16) why do u disagree?
Eph 4:4-6 is tooooo much for "Christians!" ONE SPIRIT= GOD, JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT, "AND" any other GLORY He desires! For He is "I AM!"
As far as I know, Jesus, in his earthly form, was not "religious"; nor was He the leader or a member of a religion. He was only The Messenger of His Father's Word.
You are right, Norine, and thank you very much for correcting me.
Norine read verse 2 King James Version Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. He was with God ,the same as saying my daughter was with me. Two different beings ,yet King James error in first should have a small god.
Fee: Ur welcome! Jer 23:1! I believe! K&T: Stop putn flesh n Spiritual things!God is Spirit/Word/Creator/whose NAME is JESUS! There is no other god/God besides Him Isaiah 43:11;45:5-6! No other being! No other God!
Man was made in their image but all of us have separate bodies ,we are not connected .as glories.
K&T: Man was made in God's (Jesus') image initially (sinless)! Jn 17:5. Jesus doesn't have "separate bodies" as "man" for He is Spirit! If in Jesus, we are connected! II Cor 3:18 "But WE all...r chgd into the same image from "glory to glory"...
Joh 5:22, 23 For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, 23 so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
Norine you are not answering the questions. , you are just saying things just to answer , but not the question. You do not and will not admit the truth .the Father and son are two different beings.even in spirit.
There are many Angels also.
K&T Two diff beings means 2 diff persons! That's a lie according to Scripture! Did u not rd Isaiah 43:10 "none after" 11 no savior (Jesus) 13 before the day was,I am he, who shall hinder it?" None Other! I "plant the seed, God gives inc"I Cor 3:6
Except that the Scriptures tell us that God IS a person. See: http://hub.me/ajreq
Joe: God, Whose Name is JESUS, is a SPIRIT! Not like your spirit, but THE SPIRIT who can do ALL THINGS and not a being/person! So says Scripture! If u continue to look at Scripture "literally" & not "Spiritually" you will remain as you are!
Now I know you don't know what you're talking about:
"There is actually to us one God the Father." - 1 Corinthians 8:6
"And now, O Jehovah, you are our Father." - Isaiah 64:8
"Know that Jehovah is God." - Psalm 100:3
Joe:Is 43:10-11-Rev 1:17-18;2:8;Is 44:24- Jn1:3;Col1:16;Jn1:1;1:14:Jn 8:24;58;Jn10:30-33;14:6-7;9-11;20:28;Act4:12;20:28-Rev1:5-6;8-9; 1Tim3:16Tit2:13;Heb1:8-9;2Jn1:7;I Tim6:14-16;Heb2:17-18;4:15-16
Jn15:13-Rm5:8. Read these an explain!
These all prove that Jehovah is God, Christ Jesus is his Son and that he is subordinate to his God and Father in every way.
Joe: If you look at God & Jesus as man (father) & son, I can understand why you think it's folderol! Do you know how to look Spiritually? Spirit not a man & son! Spirit can be EVERY place at once man! Come on! Put your Spiritual eyeglasse
Joe: U didn't read? U can't understand or don't "want to" understand? Who is Jehovah? Now under New Covenant. Matt 28:18. ALL power? Where is Jehovah?
If Jesus is God and the holy Spirit is God, and the Holy Spirit is Jesus, why is speaking against Jesus, who is God, a sin that can be forgiven, but speaking against the holy Spirit, who is Jesus and God, is a sin that can never be forgiven?
You have no answer so you point to the questioner?
The Father sent the HS on behalf of Jesus His son. Prove that didn't happen.
Perfect question! What precise reasoning you exhibit!
Answer his question or bow out. All non-answers will be deleted.
Someone else that has seen this very same deception before came up with the question, not me, I just found it. Others that read but don't comment need to know that God is not a God of confusion.
You are rambling, and not answering the question.
diversions again you are not answering.
The Holy Spirit is with us, God is on His throne and Jesus is seated at the right Hand of the Father. Where did "All power in heaven and on the earth" that was given to Jesus come from?(His Father God.)
Norine as Ref notice King James Version
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Simple first born of every creation..this proves A Father who created a first Son .
K&T: God is a SPIRIT! Of course Jesus is the "image" (semilie) of God for He was "seen" in Flesh! Of course firstborn of ALL "creation" for He was there in the beginning! (v16) "For by Him WERE ALL THINGS created.." What? Jesus created ALL things
Norine you have faith in Jesus and the holy spirit , so now you have no faith to say he can not create what he wants, next did I name your faith,
or belief as to call you out, I am reasoning from scriptures that should be enough ,
K&T: Did I mention you? I said, "Yeah? Jehova Witnesses believe this! Contradicts Scripture!" That's a denomonation, not you? Oneness denom blv as I do re:Jesus is God, but I'm not Oneness! Yes, Scripture is enough!
Norine Daniel 2;44 says no more Governments will be run by humans , Jesus is Our New enthronement of Government .
King James Version Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool .LORD.
K&T: Yes, Jesus is Our New enthronement of Government, He's EVERYTHING under NEW COV! Rm 7:4-14(v)7 "I had not known coveting except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." SCHOOLMASTER! Gal 3:24! God is a SPIRIT! "Right HAND"=RIGHTEOUSNESS!
Norine where did you get coveting from. That word has nothing to do with subject
I wonder how he sits at his own right hand? Now there's a trick for you.
Jesus did not teach 'religion', though He clearly was an expert at the one He was born to. Read a fellow named 'Borg' for a very progressive, fresh view of Jesus.
Bill: Yes, he was an "expert!" But what else do you expect from Jesus who was before Abraham? Jesus is God!
Norine who is the our in .let us make man in our image? Please answer.
K&T: The "OUR" in Ge 1:26 is ALL of JESUS' GLORIES! U have glories:father,son,husband,brother, but not your NAME! Your name is your legal "name!" Take ck to bank w/father,son,husband on it & see if they'll cash it! Father,Son,HS,etc. NAME is
Why does the Father know when the end and Jesus the Son does not? If they are the same.
Mt 24:36 But as to that day and hour nobody knows, not even the angels of heaven nor the Son, but the Father alone.
K&T: Because He can do what He wants when He wants! When He is ready! He doesn't know but when He decides, He will! Like u don't know when u're going to do something but u know u're going to do it! Who can"hinder Jesus?"Enjoyed "proving" II Tim 3
That's pure folderol. If you don't know what you're going to do, you simply do not know. End of story.
Joe: If you look at God & Jesus as man (father) & son, I can understand why you think it's folderol! SPIRIT! Not a man & son! Spirit can be EVERY place at once man! Come on! Put your Spiritual eyeglasses on!
None of that changes the fact that both Jehovah God and Christ Jesus are spirit beings, spirit persons, distinct and separate from one another, with Christ always being subordinate to his Father and God, Jehovah.
Joe: What's Webster's def of a person or being? Is that Jesus (SPIRIT)? U say there are two Gods? I keep telling u He spoke in layman's terms so "man" could understand, yet u still don't? U didnt answer my question & deleted. Again, where is Jeho
Seeing as personality is the quality or fact of being a person as distinguished from a particular thing or creature it follows that Jehovah God and Christ Jesus are absolutely separate, distinct persons.
Joe: "I and My Father are ONE!" (Personality)
Show me where Jesus said, "I and the Father are the same."
Norine while Jesus was still teaching he said he did not come to destroy the law But fulfill it , he was a part of the plan to bring New Government in, there are still other things to fulfill, what did that scripture mean Norine.
K&T: Do u live under New Covenant? Sounds not! He DID fulfill law. Now Gal 3:24! Schoolmaster! Are u of those in I Tim 1:3-11? U want to go back? What? Mature in "Faith!" Move fm LAW! Study Jer31:33;Heb8:10:10-16,Jn14:26;16:13;Acts2:2 to see how
RK would you consider the scripture that says one does not know what the other knows, simply to different minds.
King James Version
Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
K&T: I keep telling u He's gathering the church now, but when He decides He will come! Did u read those Scriptures I gave Joe? Study! Nxt you'll be telling me that you should baptize in the name of the Father,Son & HS? That's what "religion"
Norine this tells us the Father still has Authority of the end
He is the only one that knows the hour this system under satan will end.
That means we are to respect Jehovah's position and Authority as Jesus does.
Norine I do not see a dad and boy relationship , you interpet that meaning, , And really you are very disrepectful .concerning this whole subject. You reject truth. You rejected the Father.
We are getting nowhere here. Take care Norine.
NO! He was not tolerant of other religions as a matter of fact, He condemned "religion," as I do! (Galatians 1:13 "Jews' religion," Paul killed Christians. Acts 26:5 Paul refers to "religion" as of the "Pharisees.") As did the Pharisees, the world has gotten believers so confused! However, that is Satan's job "To kill, steal, and destroy" (John 10:10) and he's doing a great job of it!
The "Doctrine" (II Timothy 3:16), not "religion," is what is mentioned in Scripture! James 2:27 is the "only Scripture" which speaks of "religion" in a positive context which says "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world." This the Holy Spirit will do for It "teaches and guides us into all "truth!"
What is Jesus' Doctrine and not "religion?" Religion is as "man" sees Scripture and Jesus' Doctrine is a belief that has been put into the right context, in the right dispensation, doing as the Apostles did.
Why? Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16 all say, "After those days (after He resurrects) He would make a NEW COVENANT wherein He would "put His laws into their minds and write them in their hearts." Do we not live under the NEW COVENANT?
How did He do this? In John 14:26 and 16:13 Jesus "promised" a Comforter (Holy Spirit) who would be sent "IN MY NAME" Who would "lead and guide us into ALL truth."
When did He fulfill "Promise?" In Acts 2:2 when the Holy Spirit came in as "a mighty rushing wind" and filled all. Thereafter, Jesus (Holy Spirit) started talking through the Apostles telling them what to tell the believers.
You can read the rest! Plain and simple! We are under New Covenant today as stated above. Acts 2:42 says "And they continued steadfastly in the Apostles' doctrine (which was not the Apostles' but Jesus' since he was talking through them via the Holy Spirit) and fellowship..." In Matthew 28:20 Jesus told the disciples to "teach us to OBSERVE ALL THINGS..." Do we do that?
If you are not following JESUS' Doctrine as He told you via the Holy Spirit through the Apostles, then you are following "religion!"
Galatians 1:6-10 is to be remembered here! The Holy Spirit (Jesus) was talking through Paul when speaking these Words! Plain and Simple: "LET HIM BE ACCURSED...!"
If you start a statment in the beginning ,you are saying it had a start,
King James Version Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Ge 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image.
Who is the our?
K&T: "OUR" is all of His GLORIES! Col 2:9
Where does it say all his glories what scripture says that. Prove it.
I believe these are your own words.
K&T: John 17:5; Heb 1:3; Exd 24:17; Ps 72:19; Exd 40:34-35; Eph 1:17-21; Habakkuk 2:14; Col 1:27 (My favorite); Is 58:8; so many more! Jesus chgs fm Glory to Glory for HIS WILL to be accomplished! U do, don't u? Father role, husband role, etc. gl
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Joe: My God! I didn't realize "the world" had created so many versions of Trinitrianism! What a mess! John 10:10. Thanks Joe! I will study these "man-made" beliefs but fm my postings, you know there is no Trinity in Scripture so I blv all r false!
You lost me. Isn't it your claim that God the Father is the same as the Son is the same as the holy spirit?
Joe: Not my "claim" it is WRITTEN in Scripture! Col 2:9
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Joe: How can I speak to ANY form of Trinitarism when the word "Trinity" does not appear in Scripture? I can "only" speak fm Scripture which says the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are One and His Name is JESUS! Otherwise, speaking lies!
Because you've made over and over and over again a Trinitarian claim. All I'm asking is for you to clarify for me which version of the many Trinitarian claims that exist is the correct one. Can you do that?
Joe: I stated facts fm Scripture - THERE IS NO TRINITY in Scripture! There are some questions I leave alone for they are not Scriptural! How can I tell u which is right when NONE exists in Scripture? It's as if asking which form of "lying" is right!
Now you're just talking in circles. First you claim that God the Father is the same as the Son is the same as the holy spirit. Now you reverse yourself and claim "THERE IS NO TRINITY in Scripture!" So which is it?
Joe: If I misled you to believe that there is a "trinity" I apologize! Again, There is NO TRINITY in Scripture; therefore, I cannot say which is right for all forms are wrong according to Scripture! They ALL are ONE (SPIRIT) & ALL's NAME IS JES
"They ALL are ONE (SPIRIT) & ALL's NAME IS JES."
That's the very definition of the Trinity!
Joe: The Spirit is not "three persons" or "beings" as described in "trinity!" Spirit is just that Spirit - Not persons nor beings. You know that as you are "well learned" in books! God is not the author of confession. So, again I "CAN NOT" respond!
But, as I explicate in this hub, God most certainly IS a person: http://hub.me/ajreq
Joe:You say Jesus lied when He said "God = Spirit?" Jn 4:24. I have Scripture only & if you don't want to here WHAT IS WRITTEN, it stops here! Give Script ea time u give me a response, otherwise not responding! II Cor 2:11 "I am not ignorant!
You most certainly are not ignorant but you are misrepresenting what the Bible actually teaches about God as I explain in my Hub: http://hub.me/ajreq
Read it only if you're interested in preaching what the Bible actually teaches
Joe: That's where we differ! The bible didn't teach me this, the Holy Spirit did! U go on believing "man" rather than the HS u err! If told Black is Green long enough, anyone will be believe!
Then why do you quote the Bible at all?
Joe: I read Scripture which is Truth! The Holy Spirit "teaches" not the Words for they are "hidden messages!" The Words therein are not in a "literal" sense which most don't understand! It is a Mystery that only the HS can reveal! II Cor 4:3-4!
But, like Apollos (See Acts 18), you too are misrepresenting what God has actually taught. I've been trying to help you see where you went off track but,unlike Apollos, you insist that everything you've been preaching has been the whole truth
Joe: The Holy Spirit tells me that you were not "sent" to preach. Rm 10:15 Guess who's guiding me? Good night!
Joe: Confirmation! "You'll know them by their fruit!" Matt 7:15-23
Joe: The Holy Spirit NEVER lies! He REVEALS all as He did you! You have been identified by your fruit! Can't run or hide! You're out there! I pray, don't hold it against him Lord for he is "ignorant" to You! I Cor 14:38. AMEN!
Except you behave as if possessed by another spirit, not God's holy spirit. That's why your claims fail to persuade.
Joe: Not here to gain "friends" just stating Scripture! Meat too strong for you? Can't leave "tradition" & get into Spirit thinking! This is not "literal" but Spiritual. Read those Scriptures! Don't just talk! Study!
Norine listen to what you are saying the beginning and the end. Jesus had a beginning true.The first creation. But the Father is eternal no beginning and no end.he grants mortality .
K&T: listen to yourself! Jesus is the Creator or Jn 1:10 lied! Watch what u say! Did u read those Scriptures I gave Joe? Study!
Read Genesis. Jehovah God is the Creator, not Jesus. (Cf. Matthew 19:4-6)
Joe:The SPIRIT was the Creator (aka God),name JESUS! Jn 1:10!Read those Scriptures! Matt 19:4-6o u really thk Jesus would get "man" to believe He was God (as they don't today) when speaking there?They wntd to kill Him bcz He said God was His Father
When Created Angelic sons. Jesus being the first as Micheal.we exist
We exist, and so does his first born creation.
K&T: Col 1:16! Jesus created ALL THINGS! (v17) And He was BEFORE ALL THINGS & BY HIM all things consist! "Religion" didn't teach me this! Gal 1:12 Thank you Jesus that you choose this "nobody!"
The truth of God and his his son Jesus is very important.
What did people believe before he arrived? What was The name of God being used by Moses ?
Brilliant question! Let's see if Norine will answer or resort to more misdirection ...
K&T: The ALLEGORY of Father and Son is very important! Jesus was always there Spirit/God! Moses "I AM!!" Sorry you can't "see." I Pray your "heart" be enlightened!
Norine before Jesus Arrival on earth what was his name then. The name he revealed to moses?
Php 2:6 who, when he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as a prize,
Php 2:6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God
simple never equal.
K&T: I have repeatedly said You MUST "look" w/Spiritual "eyes." Of course, He thought Himself "equal" for He is God! (v7) "But made himself of no reputation...a servant,& n the likeness of men(v8)humbled himself & became obedient unto de
Norine you can not even agree on what's written in your KJV. bible , Jehovah ' s. Name, and you will not let his name come out your mouth.
We can not continue to talk about the scriptures because you have made it all about you .not what is written.
Notice why Jehovah’s name is vital, King James Version
Ac 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
And King James Version
Chris I really appreciate your comment on the subject, why do certain people not think that if we exist , why can God also make a Son exist his Angelic first Son. Why would he need to talk to self he has them..
K&T: I don't deny the FACT that God (aka Jesus) created Himself! Why in Gen 1:26 did He talk to Himself saying "Let US!" He has talked to Himself from the beginning & still does! Gen 22:16 "God swore to Himself" Why? NO ONE Greater! Always di
God created HIMSELF?!?! God existed before he existed!?!? That just makes no sense whatsoever!
What's more it's ANTI-SCRIPTURAL since at Ps 90:2 God Himself reveals that He has always been and will always be; he NEVER began to exist.
Joe: Tell GOD "it makes no sense" I didn't say IT (I Tim 3:16)! "...rec'd up into glory?" Unscriptural?
It seems you have a problem w/the MESSAGE not the messenger! So tell GOD "it doesn't make sense!"
Not long ago I used the term tolerate as a way to describe how Jesus reacted to the religious situations around Him. After a few exchanges with other Disciples of Christ I realized that tolerate was a poor choice of words. Tolerate is something humans have been taught to get along with everyone. Christ mingled with everyone but that is not to be taken as tolerance. Christ loved the human and it is for the human that He came into the world and shed His blood. Christ was with sinners everywhere He went, yet “Repent” was part of the message of the Kingdom of God.
If tolerance is to be considered one has to judge how right or wrong something is. We need to decide are we in fact going to put up with something that we might consider wrong. Humans have been taught a very fine system of tolerance to ensure things run smooth. Often what is perceived as a smooth ride today is actually the foundation for a very bumpy ride down the road.
Did Christ tolerate? No.
John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him”.(NASB)
In order to tolerate something one would have to judge it and the Son of God did not come to judge. The judgment is yet to come. When it does there will be no tolerance, all things will be put under His feet. Today tolerance is best used to describe the fact that there are many different gospels out there. Tolerance is used to describe the many different denominations out there. Today because something is, doesn't mean Jesus is tolerant of it or them. There is going to be a separation and a fire to burn up the chaff.
This Is Jehovah's name forever as written. But the name of Jesus is his son
And given this name as the messiah.generations have came and gone, we are part of a generation as well ,Angels praise that name, And we are to respect it .
K&To we still take lambs to the altar?It's a NEW DAY!We are under a NEW COVENANT!In THIS dispensation-it's ALL JESUS!JESUS is manifestation of (Holy) Flesh so u could relate! You still can't? "At the name of JESUS every knee will bow" not Othe
Except that Jesus taught that all worship must be directed to Jehovah, his Father, God and Creator:
"Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”" - Lk 4:8
Joe: My bible says "..worship the Lord, thy God.." Satan was "testing" Jesus & He replied (v12) "Thou shalt not put the Lord, thy God, to the test." What? Jesus said He was "..the Lord, thy God..?" To Satan in Lk 4:12? Will u kill Him as they did
Also Norine The heavenly Father created the family arrangement , Father , Mothers and sons and daughters, we are made in their image.
So why is it you refuse to recognize God he created his first born as written , here man can birth another.
K&T: Jn 4:24 You MUST "look" @ Script in the Spirit not as father/son! The only way He spoke of Father & Son is so "mere man" could relate. II Cor 4:3 Look @ the Script! Look Spiritually! Not as father/son! Did you read those Script given Jo
Why can God not create a first born son , we birth first borns
New World Translation
Mt 19:26 Looking at them intently, Jesus said to them: “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
God can do what ever he pleases.
K&T: He did create Himself! SPIRIT got into Mary & since Jesus was there from "the beginning," He made Himself! Plain & Simple! All other beliefs god's have names, & and ours do too, JESUS! Phil 2:9-11! Acts 2:38
Norine you brought the name up, bringing up what they believe, and commented saying contradiction your personal opinion.
I never brought up your religions name nore have I spoken negative about it, but we are talking one on one about scriptures .
K&T:It doesn't matter what one's "denomination" is if they don't believe in Jesus' Doctrine, they need to do as they did in Acts 2:38! Jesus is God! Err if any other gospel! That's what I've been saying indirectly all alone! Gal 1:6-9
God CREATED himself?!?! That makes no sense whatsoever since Jehovah God, the Father, is from past eternal to eternity; he has no beginning and no end. You're going against Scripture. See Ps 90:2; Hab 1:12; 1Ti 1:17.
Joe:Precisely!Same as Jesus; no beginning nor end; Alpha & Omega, beginning & end! Read those Scritpures!God is WHAT He is; JESUS is WHO He is!God is not a Name! That is WHAT He is! His Name is JESUS! If Jesus there fm beginning, He Fathered
King James Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them
This name Norine
K&T: In the OT God's name was WHATEVER He WAS at the time! It's a NEW DAY under New COV! He came & died for us! I say so again, His Name is Jesus in the dispensation in which we live! Phil 2:9-11.
"In the OT God's name was WHATEVER He WAS at the time!"
Prove it. Prove your outrageous claim.
(6) Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (7) If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." --John 14:6-7
Notice that Jesus didn't answer with any of the following:
"I am the way...and so is Asherah."
"I am the way...and so is Molech."
"I am the way...and so is Chemosh."
"I am the way...and so is Buddha."
"I am the way...and so is Oprah Winfrey."
"I am the way...and so is Deepak Chopra."
"I am the way...and so is that Mohammad guy."
"I am the way...and so are Larry, Curly, Moe, and Shemp."
"I am the way...and so is Confucius."
...and so on.
Was Jesus aware that people existed who worshiped other gods? I'm sure. Did he know that many differing spiritual views existed? I'm sure. Did he ever declare any of these other beliefs to be true? No. Did he ever declare that any of them had equal validity to Yahweh God? No.
I am most appeciative of how you compared others , because even humans can stand in another direction away from the heavenly Father.
And many do not know it or want to know truth.
Why cant you just say Jehovah that is what is written in the King James , scriptures
What does that have to do ? You should know!
The term "Jehovah" is actually derived from the consonants YHWH, from whence "Yahweh" comes. So there really isn't a difference in meaning. Just a different cultural "lens" through which the same four letters are interpreted.
Yes , all over the world people still say Jehovah , he knows what we mean, like a baby that tries to say your name but pronounce it in his voice .RK. I used your space talking to Norine. , She will not admit in her bible Jehovah’s name. Sad.
K&T: Did Christ die in vain?As we do not bring lambs to altar anymore, the law was fulfilled & we now recognize THE NAME-JESUS! You are still under Old Covenant! If ANYONE still call Him Jehovah, r under the law (Gal 4) & nailed back to
See 1 Cor. 11:3. Christ continues to humbly submit to his God and Father, Jehovah. Why aren't you doing the same?
Joe I Cor 11:3? Joe: Allegory! Jesus is God!
Prove it. Prove that it's just symbolic in meaning.
Joe: Did you read those Scriptures? Proof's there! You don't want to accept Scripture? I didn't write it! II Cor 3:18-18;4-6"..the glory of the Lord, are chgd into the same image FROM GLORY TO GLORY" like Jesus! 4:6"..to give us..the knowledge of
Norine Now you are admitting JEHOVAH in Hebrew, very true, but notice he says this is my name forever
King James Version
Ex 3:15 And God (Jehovah) this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
we are a generation if 21cent
Not to butt in, but I don't really feel that God cares which of His names we use. He has many titles--just in Hebrew. I don't think the all-knowing God has a problem knowing our heart enough to understand who we're talking about. Just an opinion.
To RK when people get married the name changes why ?
To Identify you belong to each other and not another, satan is a god too ! and we must be Identified with the true God.
He revealed his name for that purpose.
I do not agree that Satan is a god. He is lesser to God, as there is only one God. But when you say Jehovah, I say Yahweh, and someone else says El Shaddai--it's all the same God, just different versions of His name/titles
RK. King James Version
2Co 4:4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Satan is worshiped, that makes him one.
I'll concede that he's a "god" in the sense than any worshiped idol is a "god". But that doesn't make him a deity or any sort of equal opposite to God. Satan is still a created, lesser being--which is why victory could only ever belong to God alone.
RK:He cares!He died for us & Chgd everything just as K&T said in a marriage! WE are under NEW COVENANT!Satan is a god II Cor 4:4.Yes RK titles, roles not NAMES! K&T:U thk Scripture is for me only?Phil 2:9-11 ALWAYS remember! t's a NEW DAY
Norine, don't presume to know me or my relationship with my God. You don't know me. And I am under the New Covenant (as are you) through the blood of Christ, not because I decided to call God by a different name. Also, I can hear you w/o allcaps.
RK I totally agree with you , he could never be equal to the true God Jehovah.
Norine Jehovah is not Jesus , because that is his name forever.
Jesus updated the law , we do not need to sacrifice animals for forgiveness. Because he was the last
RK: Rt, I don't no u, just speaking Word! It DOES matter what for He said so in Script(Phil 2:9-11). No matter how "intentional" one's heart is, We MUST follow the Word!(Matt 7:22-23) Instruct have been left. Study! I Cor 12:2-27!Who is Lord (v3)?
New World Translation
Ro 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”
K&T:Rd ALL of Rms 10 (v2)Yes, U have a zeal!(v4)Christ is the end of LAW!(Jm 2:10)Rd Rm 14:10-12 Jdgment Seat of CHRIST, giving acct to GOD? Ph 2:11: "that Jesus Christ is Lord (God) to the glory of God, the Father! I Cor 12:2;12.v12 "So also is
Norine we are to recognize Jesus he is the New Covenant. But because the Father Jehovah worked out this sacred secret that he Jesus is his own son the Messiah. Notice his value .
He was sent , the one who sends is greater , the Father Jehovah!
K&T:He sent HIMSELF!(SPIRIT)Jn1:14!I Tim 3:16 "AND W/O CONTROVERSY great is the MYSTERY of godliness:GOD was MANIFESTED IN THE "FLESH," justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the nations, belvd on in the world, received up into GL
Norine notice King James Version Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Jesus did his part , but that is not all that will be fulfilled, he said so.
Daniel 2:44 has to be.
K&T: While I do believe that Jesus and God the Father (Jehovah) are distinctly different, they are both equally vital aspects of one triune God. Jesus is unique in that he is also fully man, but before that the Word was with God and the Word was
K&T: He DIDN'T DESTROY the law, He fulfilled! Did you not hear Gal 3:27? Are u "just" coming into Christ? Stop sounding like it using WHAT HE IS for the Name rather than WHO (the name He came and DIED in to estab NEW COV-JESUS) HE IS="I AM!"
Norine, I don't think you read KT's last response carefully. She did not say that she believed Jesus destroyed the Law. She was quoting the very verse in which Jesus said he was not destroying the Law, but fulfilling it.
RK: I understood what that Script! True, & we aren't under law! Under New Cov w/name chg for Jehovah (aka God). God is "WHAT" He is, NOT "WHO" He is! Under New Cov His NAME is JESUS is what Scripture says. "Triune?" You "LIMIT" God (Jesus)? Jn 10
I feel I'm going to call it quits discussing with you. There seems to be something about the Trinity you misunderstand. Understanding God to be triune in nature doesn't limit Jesus' divinity. It just recognizes him as one of three yet one of one.
RK:You believe as "religion" does there r 3 "persons" or "beings" which defiles Scripture.You've never came into Jn 4:24 to see the ALLEGORY of Father & Son but Scripture said ppl would do that! I Tim 3:16!"God was manifested in the flesh.." Exp
Actually 1 Tim 3:16 correctly reads, "καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Ὃς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήμφθη ἐν δόξῃ." So you see,Jesus is NOT Jehovah.
English "Indeed,the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great:‘He was made manifest in flesh,was declared righteous in spirit,appeared to angels,was preached about among nations,was believed upon in the world,was received up in glory’"
Regarding the idea of no trinity and that Jesus was the same "person" as the Father..That would mean that in the garden, Jesus was not praying to the Father but talking to Himself. Also, "Not my will but yours be done" becomes a ridiculous statement.
Chris: Jesus Christ was God manifested in the flesh! He is not a "person" but a Spirit! The "only time" He was "a person" was during God's manifestation in the flesh! I loathe grocery shoppin & have said TO MYSELF many times not my will but let's
I already proved that claim false w/ Scripture. Try again.
Jesus said he would get rid of sin. Odin said he would get rid of the frost giants.
And I sure don't see any frost giants...
I really believe that Jesus was not out to establish a religion. I believe he wanted to teach people a better way to live. Look at how he taught and what he taught. It was never about anything formal or liturgical. It was about how one person treats another and about how a person approaches God.
Having said that, it is clear that Jesus did teach an exclusive path to His Father. He said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by means of me." (My paraphrase). On the other hand, He did not condemn people. When He sent the disciples out to teach others about The Good News, it was a joyful thing, not a hellfire message.
Was he tolerant of other religions? Yes, in the sense that he was gentle and non-condemning. He didn't come to establish a religion, so he wasn't opposing religions. That may be our biggest misunderstanding of Jesus.
Chris:You're confusing Jesus "allowed free will" vs not condeming!He tore up "religion" when they were buying & selling in synagogue, didnt He?He always "got angry but didn't sin" bcuz He told them msgs that'd make one better. Matt 23.He is Fathe
To Norine there are no people under that scripture with Jesus Name
But there are people under Jehovah's name. Phophesy is alive.
K&T:I was telling Chris how Jesus despised "religion" Matt 23:39)"Blessed is he that cometh in the NAME of the Lord!" JESUS! Ph 2:9-11!
What people? Scribes & Pharisees? Hypocrites! All Scribes & Pharisees were as "religion" is today, l
Norine that Lord is Jehovah , King James replace the name with Lord,
Notice he himself thought he should omit what he thought was appropriate at the time of translations under his own religious belief of his church. do some research .
K&T:U miss the point!Chris has said truth "Jehovah/God/Whatever we want to call God, is "WHAT" He is NOT "WHO" He is!Google how many Glories He was/is to different people at diff times in OT!He was a diff GLORY 2 people at a given time!Not His Na
Norine Jehovah is the only one that knows the hour of the end, Jesus does not, that also means he still has Authority and position that Jesus respects. By saying so.
K&T, It may be that knowledge of the time of His return was removed during his time on earth but restored after the ascension. Just a thought.
Jesus knew the truth and tried to share it. Everyone who clung to their religions and false gods hated him for it. Theres so much I haven't begun to share yet, and the clock is ticking. Not for me, but for you. I'll be here until the end of time. It's the price I chose to pay for all of you to have all the answers you seek. If you only knew the horror that awaits me for what I've done for you.
Jesus knew what was going to happen, but the players of the scene had to be manifest. Like you go to the store and merchants already know so many of their stock will be sold, but do they know the exact customer? If you Volunteer your patronage
What happened was, the powers that have been knew who was coming and did everything possible to demonize that person. Few on earth know the real story.
Where was my mind when I wrote this? What a condescending jerk.
The book Nine Faces of Christ is a very good read. Whilst it is not based on documented truth, scholars believe it is very likely that the man Jesus underwent initiations using many different models. This bodes very well because whilst Jesus says the way to God is through him, he meant he was an example for people to follow. "Be as I am." This is lost on most because of course all of the bible is open to interpretation and most do not want to do the hard yards and be like Jesus. Jesus therefore is very tolerant of other religions because there is more than one way to become the embodiment of Christ.. It is a difficult path and there are many ways to get to the true center or essence that embodies the Christ. The embodiment of Christ is the goal of all religions, guised with different names but meaning the same thing. To say Jesus Christ is not tolerant is to say Jesus Christ is not Jesus who embodied the body of Christ.
Off course he was tolerant of other religions and no doubt that he was a great man and whatever he taught, he didn't taught by himself but by God and all the prophets taught what he taught but remember that they didn't taught by themselves but by God.
I think most people miss how Christ operated it was primarily with love and forgiveness unless He thought it was offensive to God, the Father, form of Him. Yet if one would repent/confess, forgiveness was indeed received.
In regard to religion Jesus said - Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit." (Matthew 15:14).
The word "religion" itself means to bind together, keep on the leash, tie-up, restrict, to forbid, to impose a ban, to suppress, to control and so on.
Jesus in His Gospel calls us to freedom to love and serve out of love. Anyway, those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." (James 1:27).
Whosoever decides to choose good and have life must accept His Words, and forsake all those countless worldly teachings. Must trust in God who made the heaven and the earth, must trust in Jesus, and keep His commandments - "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbour as yourself." (Luke 10:27).
Jesus belonged not and accepted not such thing as religion. It is not important what we do outwardly, but important is only the attitude of our heart which, by the way, is evil beyond measure. Spirit gives life, flesh counts for nothing. Religion fail to grasp God's given truth. God rightly says that He will frustrate the wise and the learned. But He gives grace to the humble. Jesus being God Himself trusted His Father, obeyed, and did His will. That is all what we are called to do.
Any (all those countless religions) mere man made religion is based on the law which God GAVE to the Israelites through Moses. However grace and truth COME through Jesus Christ.
Now Jesus is our so called "religion". It is He whom we must listen, obey and worship. He alone. In order to be not deceived by religious' teachings we must check out any word we hear and pray may God by His grace keep and lead us in the truth and only the Truth.
Re 2:10Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of YOU into prison that YOU may be fully put to the test,
That is why endurance is important. Your faith will be tested.
In what dictionary did you find that definition for religion?
No, honestly there is no assurance in the bible where you can find that religion do save your life. There is no known passage stating religion has something to do with being a christian. Jesus never taught a religion neither established a religion. Jesus is the only to heaven.
You express this in part truth, I so agree what Jesus has established,
Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
He did not say through religion , or a church
Exactly. Jesus did gave warnings to us that such things (religion) will come, but He said also may we stand firm in our faith. Trust in the almighty God and trust in Jesus finished work on the cross. That is all we need.
Aija saved from what. Reference Bible
Mt 16:24 then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me,let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and continually follow me.Believing is important but enduring prosecution is vital
I think there is often a mention of false prophets etc so I think Jesus was suggesting there was only one God. As for being tolerant though, I've never come across anything about Jesus being intolerant but I do believe he tried to convert people to Christianity by preaching. So I think he was more focused on gaining believers than persecuting others.
Christ Jesus was not into religion because religion was created by man and it destroys, it crucified Him!. He was all about the way, the truth and the life, which is Him and that is what he taught.
Judging purely by the character we're introduced to in the Gospels, Jesus would hardly stand up and shout that other religions are false and should be destroyed--rather, he would say something like, "Your faith in Zeus is admirable, but the blessings you've received were given to you not by him, but by my father, who is the one true god (except ancient Judaism says he totally isn't, but I wouldn't know that because Moses cut all that stuff out and turned Judaism into a monotheistic religion, but that ship's already sailed), and the one you worship is not Zeus, but my father." He would tell you your religion was wrong, but gently, and in a "someone had to let you know this stuff eventually" kind of way.
First. teaching that there is only one true religion does not go against being tolerance i think. Yes, Christ thought that there is only one true "way" or road to God, that is only one true religion.
In Mathew 7:13, 14 Jesus did said that there is only one religion. He also said that he is 'the truth and the way and the life', and no one can come to the father accept through him.
But it depends on what you mean by tolerance. If tolerance to you mean mixing or worshiping with other religion, No Jesus did not do that, instead he invite others to turn to the one true road.
But if tolerance you mean is being peaceful, not being judgmental and not being violent against people of other religion, Yes Jesus was such a tolerant man.
My take is that the Essence of His message was of a Supreme State attainable by all. Lets call this Love or Happiness. Christ often referred to it as a Kingdom, or the Kingdom of Heaven. He often spoke of it as if it was here in the Now.
He then underlines Principles as to how to attain that State, the key ones being Prayer, (this is not simple), Love, Faith ... a belief in Something Higher which some call God. I cannot say that He emphasized Religion at all, and indeed, He was persecuted by those professing to know the Law: the Scribes, Pharises, Saducces, Doctors and Elders of the Law. (Doctrine)
The people who initially followed Him and listened were essentially the simple folks with a few learned in between. His message was essentially of a place beyond sorrow, and how to get there for All.
Remember Jesus lived in a time where there was a pluralism of religion . I think he was a Jew who practiced Judaism as a religion he was born in and as a "Nazarene" was also a member of a Sect called "The Way" just as his first cousin John the Baptist was. This fact makes me believe that he is tolerant of other religions that are man made coz men are born in a world of human minds and they are at birth more or less predetermined to follow a certain religion passed on to them by their parents or by virtue of their race like being a Jew or by the place i they were born in like being born in Nazareth. It would be different if one is born in heaven like Him who looked into the face of God the Father and knows for truth as to what religion he must follow. This is the difference of being born in heaven and being born on earth. Jesus is the only one who is born of heaven and born of earth and He knows what is flesh and He knows what is spirit. That is why we call Him the son God. Being this, Jesus is omnipotent, omniscient and all other "omnos". So Jesus is tolerant of religions made by men that are only good and pleasing to His God the Father but He condemns those that are not - like Baal worship or worship of Molech because it displeases his Father. However, He came here to teach us that true religion is the religion of the heart because God looks first into our heart before He looks at our external practice. His life here on earth was an example of the "way, the truth and the life". He in fact is the embodiment of love whom we can believe in faith and must follow as the true example unto our resurrection to eternal life to be and rule with Him in the new earth wherever that may be. So no matter what religion of men we belong except the religion of hate and those that are offensive in practice to the Father, Jesus is tolerant but it does not mean that being tolerant it prevented him from teaching the true religion that God the Father wanted Him to preach more than 2000 years ago and to reconcile us to God by teaching men to believe in Him as truth and obeying his teachings as the one pleasing to God.In fact,he sealed his mission on the cross with his blood pact guaranteeing those who believe in Him and practice what he preached,salvation &redemption from their fallen state into the status of becoming children of God his Father and whoever believes and hold fast to this truth even unto death shall inherit his kingdom afterlife.
"Woman," Jesus replied, believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." (John 4:21-24)
The above biblical truth shows that Jesus was not tolerant with other religion who do not know the Father. He is correcting the wrong, errors and mistake, not tolerating. He shows the right way to worship and approach God. The above biblical truth shows also the only one true religion, the religion who knows the real God, and who worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth..
I appreciate how you explain what tolerance
means from that view.Yes Jesus was skilled in correcting wrong information, he approached others knowing their lifestyle needed adjustments, but he left that up to them to make a choice. We learn from him
Right, God give everyone a choice, but he point only to the right choice for a man to make by showing and correcting the wrongs. When the truth is revealed, choice must be against to the opponent of the truth.
Perhaps the wrong question is being asked, and so to answer this question, allow me to clarify what I mean by 'asking the wrong question'.
Religion is a lens by which people view the world; a world-view. There may be similar ceremonies or ideas associated with different religions, but the foundational concepts that make up different religions are what make them different. Things that are different, are not the same. So really, a "religion" is a type of philosophy on how to live ones life, and includes a set of rules or standards to live by.
As an example of similarities in different religions, many of them have sacrifices, whether it be physical or conceptual. A physical sacrifice would be to ceremoniously burn an object with fire, and a conceptual (or rather, intellectual) sacrifice would be to refrain from watching violent movies or television shows.
While many religions have a sacrificial ideal, the reasons for a sacrifice of some kind being carried out may be different. The standards for a sacrifice in one religion may differ because one is trying to take something away (such as "taking away" a sin), while another is trying to bring or add something (such as bringing rain for crops or good fortune). However, in both cases a sacrifice is the means by which the goal is reached. So because one religion might sacrifice for a certain reason, another may sacrifice for an entirely different reason, though both are using a sacrificial ceremony as part of their set of rules or standards.
When Jesus said that he is the way, the truth and the life, he was making a mutually exclusive statement. This leaves no room for tolerance of other "truths" found in other religions. Either the light is on, or the light is off. Either Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, or he is not. Jesus' religion, his philosophy of life, is based on this mutually exclusive statement.
So, the real question should be, what is truth? How do we know if something is true? Was Jesus lying, or telling the truth? If Jesus was telling the truth, what does that mean for all of us? For you, personally? Does Jesus' sacrifice mean anything to you, or was his sacrifice in vain?
You asked a good question. Good questions always lead to more questions.
I believe that Jesus was teaching the only true religion -- love.
This isn't romantic love, brotherly love or any other kind of selfish love. He was teaching altruistic, non-self-concerned love.
Jesus was tolerant of other "religions" that were all about love. He did not tolerate institutions and dogma. I sense that he would have approved of the teachings of Buddha (Gautama Siddhartha), but disliked today's idolatrous and divided Christianity.
Where Christians disagree with each other's dogma, you have self-concern (ego) -- the heart of evil.
No one knows the Absolute Truth -- the Mind of God. Yet, so many so-called Christians think they know it all. Einstein wanted to know this. But Einstein understood, at least a little, that it takes humility to learn anything.
When Ken Ham asked his audience, "Who do you believe, God or science?" naturally, his audience said, "God." But what the audience didn't realize is that Mr. Ham had given them a false dichotomy. The conflict is not between God and science, for God created the reality that science studies so well. The conflict is between Ken Ham's interpretation of the Bible and God+science.
When you remove all self-concern and turn your concern lovingly toward others, then miracles happen. No pope has ever walked on water, and I'm purposefully excluding Peter. I seriously doubt he would agree to be associated with the Catholic Church in all its corruption, and he did walk on water, if only for a few seconds, before reason polluted his spiritual bliss.
Miracles are easy, when you are in the spirit -- pure love. Everything that is not this love is a corruption of Christ's (and Buddha's, Lao Tzu's) teachings.
Jesus didn't teach religion. He simply said that He is the way to the Father (God) and that no one can get to the Father except through Him. A lot of what we see today, is all man-made ritual and has nothing to do with truly knowing God. Jesus taught that we must want to know God, recognize our need for a Savior (that we will never be perfect on our own). He said that we should desire to walk in His ways. That has nothing to do with religious traditions.
What definition of "religion" are you working with because everything you described about Christ's teachings constitutes a religious system of worship.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion : anything relating to definitions 2-7 has very little to do with God. They are ways that people express how they are "morally superior" to someone else. Jesus didn't come with a new set of rules
What, then, would you call what's recorded at John 13:34 if it wasn't a new rule?
The concept of love, and a loving God whom we should follow-- was not a new testament concept. This is one reason why the Holy Spirit lives inside of each believer-- to give us discernment and to help us to love. Do you know Greek or Aramaic?
Thank you for sharing those thoughts, however, I don't see how that answers my question. Here it is again: "What, then, would you call what's recorded at John 13:34 if it wasn't a new rule?"
Jesus Christ was not tolerant of the pharisees and the lies they promoted about God the Father. He walked among all sinners but He spoke the truth of who he was and the correct path and the only way..through Him. Yeshua. He was not tolerant of sin. The sinners who followed him stopped their sin immediately and turned to Him for their salvation. They received it for believing on Him. I don't believe that there is anything in the bible that says that a murderer, prostitute, thief, tax collector after listing to Him teach said "No you are wrong. You are crazy and full of bs. Thanks but no thanks" hung out with him after that. They rejected him and the truth. This is where people are mistaken when they say that Jesus was tolerant and accepting of others and hung out with them. He hung out with all to speak the good news and those who followed Him. He gave the good news to all of the people and the ones who rejected his truths he didn't cater to...he didn't make fellowship with.
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