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If a hospital was built that only offered prayer, how would those who believe in prayer respond?
Would they be faithful, and go, or would they be forced to use their reason, and seek REAL modern medical cures and treatment? But, then, what would this say about their faith?
The Bible says that faith without works is dead. If you just pray without getting medical treatment you're missing the point of prayer. God has given us doctors and medicine and he expects us to use them.
If somebody got sick, didn't get medical help, but prayed and died the conversation with God would go something like this.
Dead person: Why did you let me die!? I prayed several times a day that I would get better.
God: I told a doctor how to cure your sickness. Why didn't you visit him?
I'm sure someone who has spent 15 years learning, studying, and working 18 hours a day to become a doctor/surgeon really appreciates people who say it was all God's doing.
It wasn't all God's doing. They did spend all that time studying. God helped, but the doctor did the work. I'm sure God even helped doctors get through medical school.
Snøwman, Why didn't God just tell the patient to go to this specific doctor? Simple, huh? Secondly, If it's the works that determine the end result, then praying to a god seems pointless. And if God's will can't be changed, what's the point?
So...god is lazy. Rather than healing the patient outright, or better yet eliminate sickness altogether, he makes sure doctors get put through medical school to treat diseases he allows to exist.
Makes perfect sense.
Snowman, well said. I believe prayer does help. God gives us choices. Prayer in numbers is a greater power but we still need treatment when treatment is needed. God and doctors are on the same team. Prayer is a sign of faith, hope & love.
Carol, so if God and doctors are on the same team...what happens when the patient dies because of negligence? Should God be included in the malpractice lawsuit along with the physician?
I don't believe prayer and medicine are mutually exclusive. "REAL modern medical cures and treatments" are often the answer to someone's prayers!
Although that's a fact, the actual PRAYER had no effect, whatsoever, on the outcome. And this would put prayer in the same camp as wishful thinking...or being hopeful, which only affects the person who is praying...but nothing external.
Some people would call "being hopeful" and having faith pretty much the same thing. It's been said when one prays for something they should not concern them self with "how" their prayer will be answered. If it's a new FDA approved drug so be it.
Prayer always works, but most people have no idea of that for which they pray. The key is feeling, not conscious thought. Most people feel fear when they pray nice words. They instantly receive more reason to fear. That is what they asked for.
lone77star , You bring up an excellent point. It's said one should pray (believing) or in essence (feeling) that their prayer (is being answered). "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Feeling is the key.
Your use of the word "faithful" is misplaced.
If anyone truly had Faith, then doctors would not be needed -- ever!
Faith is creation. It is the essence of that which is at the foundation (root) of reality.
Very few people have ever tasted real faith. I have and most people's use of the word is a dim shadow of its real meaning.
What is amusing about your question is that modern medical business is not in the business of curing anything. They are in the business of maintaining diseases. Cures are disastrous to corporate profits. Disease maintenance allows for a steady stream of income. This is what the Rockefellers and their Foundation established in 1913. It's interesting that most of the medicines they backed were manufactured from their original money-maker -- petroleum! Yuck! Not natural herbs.
For instance, cures for cancer have been outlawed and their practitioners effectively forced out of America. Not very bright, even if you have no faith at all.
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