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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   What is individual belief? A belief without a group title? How does a person find individual belief? How much believed as individual belief is really from a previous taught belief? If everyone is an individual, doesn't everyone have an individual belief to some extent? Why are some not content with individual belief seeking dependency on a group belief?

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      sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      A belief in individually wrapped snacks? Some are better than others. They sell them at the "Piggly Wiggly"! They have to pass on the recipe or it won't be the same. As long as you can cook! They mass produce thus we can pig-out!

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      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Its relating with a particular philosophy .Now we are talking about religious beliefs but take any topic any book and one may or may not relate with and appreciate it.The individual belief relates with a group belief at times.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What do you mean it's relating with a particular philosophy. If it's individual, it should define it's individual philosophy. I agree parts of individual belief are sometimes formed for learned by examining others belief, but I think this could contradict individual belief if speaking in absolutes.

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            My belief is the same as the prophets or enlightened ones beliefs, so my individual belief coincides with a group belief.

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      awareposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      no one believes like i do i have cutting edge ideas . how did i come to them? i make them up. with little concern of proof.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I believe you aware. What do you think is the easiest ways to lock into individual thought and belief when it is so difficult to find?

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   kessposted 14 years ago

   The purpose of God is that everyone lives true to themselves. That way no matter what is the situation, they will have conscience clear before God.
   
   So what ever truth keeps an individuals heart pure, that is the one he should follow.
   
   And a person receive further enlightenment, he must be willing to adjust his way of thinking to accommodate that new truth.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You don't think a person can have an individual belief without your belief of God? If they had belief of your individual belief in God, it wouldn't be their individual belief.

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         kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Since truth is singular, all belief will in the end be the same.
         The circumstances by which one comes to the knowledge of truth will differ greatly though.
         
         So even if one starts of denying God, in his desire and quest after truth  he also will come to the knowledge of God.
         
         Things becomes out of control only when one continues to live an obvious lie.
         
         Note to know God is simply to truly know onesself.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I think you are writing in theory stating things as absolute. How individual is a belief of God when it has so many religious ties? Why do you not think someone can believe in creation without believing it's name is God?

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               kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Marine Sorry I fell asleep.
               The knowledge of Who God is, is not  common at all.
               If those many who think that they are speaking on God's behalf, truly knew Him, they would not be speaking from behind religion.
               
               If men truly understood creation they will know That it is only because of God.
               
               The truth about God is inextricably linked to this creation. (my hub something from nothing explain is somewhat).
               
               Most likely Marine, the God that you perceive in your mind, may not be the totally real God.
               
               God in reality is far less complicated than men believe He is, and His truth are hidden in light, but men love darkness more than light and therefore easily miss it.

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                  tshirtsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  God in reality is far less complicated than men believe He is, and His truth are hidden in light, but men love darkness more than light and therefore easily miss it.
                  
                  
                  God says I was a secret treasure I exposed myself for Human and other living creatures.
                  
                  If you have the belief in oneness of God, Certainly you are living a happy life, if don't than you are living life with out any aim. And there is no life with out any aim.

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Are you suggesting that you can define God and creation better than all the others? Were you there at the beginning of creation? I think you are doing the same as religious do in your attempt to relate creation with God as absolute. lol You talk about how simple God is as if you understand him better than all the others. If it was that simple, there wouldn't be so many disagreements over what you think God is.

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            Over The Hillposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well said Kess.However I don`t agree with the last sentence.

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               kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I perceive that you have a christian background, for they preach that men hearts are sinful and therefore they should deny themselves.
               
               But the truth is this also that the kingdom of God is established within you.
                  
               So one should forsake the knowledge of the false self, but must seek within also the knowledge of the true self.
               
               Anyman who truly knows himself will abstain from sin.

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                  Over The Hillposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I stand corrected Kess. I had not concidered it in that manner. Very astute. I agree.

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                  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                    ..... and god!

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                     mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I was searching for myself and I found god.
                     I was searching for god and I found myself.
                     Cant remember who said these words.

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                  (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  That might explain why prisons are full of Christians, they are simply those who don't know themselves.

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                     kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     True but not just the christians all of them who commit crimes.

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   I don't need a group to tell me how or what to believe. I can read the Bible and interpret it for myself.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I like that, I agree. Do you think a belief can truly be individual if based from the bible?

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Isn't the bible a book written by a group of people telling you what to believe?

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   habeeposted 14 years ago

   Yes, although everyone who reads it will share things in common.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not trying to twist you up, I don't understand this. If the belief is based from what others believed and wrote, how can it truly be individual when not based from the individual?

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   kessposted 14 years ago

   Marine, I thought I should clarified your supposed belief that truth is not absolute.
   Meaning it is uni-directional and leads to singularity of the many.
   
   I believe you hold to stabi belief because you desire to preserve the autonomy of each individual.
   
   Have you considered Marine, that if truth isn't absolute, then it would then act against it very own self?
   
   And if truth counteract itself, then truth  ceases to be.
   
   Also the autonomy intended will be forced, as evident in this age by religion and laws.
   
   But truth is indeed absolute for one purpose which is building the kingdom of God ( infinite good ).
   
   And within that the autonomy of the individual is well  preserved for this kingdom is without bounds.

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, nicely stated Kess, Hmmm truth..an absolute...

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think many perceived truths contradict an absolute truth, this is why I think there may be no absolute truth. Just because it is your truth to build kingdoms for your belief doesn't mean it is everyones truth unless you can logically prove your claims.

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         kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Marine when one forsake the obvious and logical truth and goes off on a tangent it is then logical that will believe lies as the truth.
         
         The only obvious and logical God is the one who encourages goodness from a pure heart.
         
         For everyone understand the logics of goodness from a pure heart can move mountains and none will be lack in anything. 
         
         Yet instead most will do good only for a return or to an evil end.   
         For men are selfseeking.
         
         That is the only true God to which  the absolute truth points.   
         
         How many people here ignore this truth?
         Take a look at the questions asked, and ideas offered?
         
         I tell you the truth if you or anyone truly practise this, you would find that nothing Will be impossible to you. For you understand all things.

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            earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So that is the reason people suffer! Because they do not believe what you do?

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               kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Earnest, to go of on a tangent from truth is to entertain foolishness.
               
               This foolishness darken the mind.
               
               Why do you do good to others?
               Why do you expect good from others?
               
               Because we know Goodness will reign supreme above all.
               That is God.
               
               The Good we expect and allow should be tried by the truth to ensure it proceed from pure heart?
               
               That is the unshakeable and unbreakable logical link between God and truth.
               
               If you cannot see truth in that, sorry I cannot help you further.
               
               For you are neither logical nor truthful.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            On the part of believing lies as truth, this is not part of finding absolutes to me. Lies are contradictory. I think lies logically contradict finding an absolute truth. Just because I don't believe in 1 absolute truth doesn't mean i'm not for searching an absolute truth.
            
            As far as God, how do you know that is his name without someone teaching you that? How do you know it is a him and not a her or a they or neither? How do you know your God doesn't get mad at you for calling him/her/they the wrong name or title?

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   caravalhophotoposted 14 years ago

   My Grandfather was a Preacher and he taught us about the Bible.  He read the Bible to us and we told him what we felt the passage ment...we interpreted our own meaning of what was read, he didn't tell us his interpretation, we learned about our own beliefs.
   
   My Daughter while in Jr.High, began Bible studies.  She came home one day and said she wasn't going to the school dance, when I aske'd her why, she stated the youth counsler told her it was a sin to go to dances, the movies, etc...pissed me off!
   
   I called the Pastor of the Church and explained my outrage of telling my daughter about dances and movies being a sin...I also told the Pastor that I had no problem them teaching my daughter about the Bible, but I did have a problem with them interpreting their thoughts into her teachings.
   
   Everyone's beliefs are individual, whether you sit in a Church or don't, whether you believe in Gods word or don't...it is an individual choice...you know the difference between wrong and right and as an individual you will be the only one who answers for your life doings.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      On the last part, I disagree. I think everyones beliefs are individual until they sacrifice their individual belief which many do. I don't think it is always a persons choice what to believe, some are taught what to believe from birth. On wrong and right, I don't think this is absolute for everyone. I think everyone has a different idea of what is wrong and right. Is murder wrong? Think about that one before you answer and tell me if murder being wrong is an absolute truth.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   There can be many diffrent beliefs concerning any subject. There are a few things that has only one correct answer. We can all individually come to that conclusion for many diffrent reasons. This does not change the fact that sometimes there is only one correct answer with many diffrent ways of describing it.
   
      Individuality can be both a good thing and a bad thang.

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   kessposted 14 years ago

   A man can define God as well as his Faith allows him to.
   
   Those who indeed have that knowledge will not reveal all, for it is the nature of darkness to use The knowledge for evil and evil purpose.
   
   You see marine like I have said many times before this, when a man leaves the simplicity and logics of the knowledge of the power and purpose of Goodness from a sure heat, then they will without fail entertain deception.
   
   This deception  is indeed complicated for it will be forever breaking and rebuilding, for it's foundation is faulty.
   
   You too are lost it that deception for though you hear the truth, you still seek some other truth, which is the deception.
   
   You are hoping that truth line up with your belief than your belief line up with truth.
   
   The message of the knowledge of God from since the begining till present, is this.
   
   Goodness from a pure heart for others.
   
   For this is Love and God and His Christ.
   
   When you practise that then the kingdom of God is revealed to you.
   Then you won't need any teacher for truth will teach you Himself. And you yourself is qualified to teach others.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You have the courage to tell me I am the one lost in finding truth when you have already assumed what absolute truth is. I keep an open mind, yours is already decided and closed. You tell me I am running from a truth when your truth is faith. My truth is logic and faith.

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   kessposted 14 years ago

   The absolute Truth is the great teacher that Teaches men about God, or I may say about Themselves, for men are gods and children of the most high and truth of Their father lies within.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Getting ridiculous. Do you now claim to know everyone's absolute truth? Are you a favored prophet of God to come to the forums and define everyones truth? Are you theorizing or stating your truths as everyones truth?
      
      
      Are you reading anything I am writing? It seems like you are just writing what you want to believe and what you want/think everyone else should believe as absolute because you believe it absolute.

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         kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Of course marine over 90% of this world population thinks, this simple truth is too ridiculous to even begin to walk in it.
         
         Look around at all the conflicting elaborate explanations.
         
         For they just as you try to know before they walk.
         But God's way is to reveal as you walk.
         
         Show me a popular prophet in his time and I will show you a false prophet.
         
         But if you show me one who was despised among his own,then I will show you a true prophet of God.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Are you despised among your own?

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    kessposted 14 years ago

    Missing the point as usual.

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