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Do we keep the Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday? The commandments tell us to rememb

  1. louisxfourie profile image80
    louisxfourieposted 12 months ago

    Do we keep the Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday? The commandments tell us to remember it!

    The commandments tell us to keep the Sabbath Holy. Did we forget the Sabbath and was the Sabbath changed to Sunday?

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  2. ericjperry profile image82
    ericjperryposted 12 months ago

    Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy," (NIV).

    This does not specify a certain day of the week. If we ready the Bible in literal form it says labor 6 days, and rest (Sabbath) the 7th day. If we choose to follow the idea of a particular day of the week such as the end as God did during creation, then you could also follow the same thought in saying that you are wrong for only working 5 days in one week. It becomes a slippery slope. Christians use their Sabbath day (for the most part) as their day of worship. Which means everyone that works for or at a church would be in violation of the Sabbath. Again, that slope gets slippery. So what is right? Here is my belief and interpretation. The Sabbath is a day of rest from whatever your "work" is. So if you work in a coal mine, then you need to get out of the mine one day of the week. If your work is fishing then you should not fish one day of the week, and so on. If you employee people then you should offer them a day off. The particular day does not matter, because there are jobs that must go on such as doctors, police, etc, so everyone must take one day out of the 7 given and get refreshed to continue the work. I'm nearing my typing limit, so I need to cut it short, but basically I am saying the day of the week doesn't matter, and if we get too consumed with the Law we miss the purpose. Matthew 12 covers the Sabbath from Jesus' perspective.

  3. louisxfourie profile image80
    louisxfourieposted 12 months ago

    So Eric you say that the sabbath that was holy and sanctified and God rested on it, does not count, but any day will do. So if we believe the bible God cannot lie or change His word, so where did He unholy the Sabbath and Holy the "any other day" you are talking about, please give scripture.

  4. aguasilver profile image77
    aguasilverposted 12 months ago

    Scripture tells us that the Shabbat is the 6th day of the Jewish week, and indeed on the Hebrew calendar it is called 'Sha-bat', so I think we can be quite specific about which day Yahweh set aside specifically to spend time with His family, and indeed, keeping Shabbat does bring a closer relationship with God.

    The traditional church is so tied up in doctrines and traditions, most of them from an early pagan influence, that they have no problem declaring Yahwehs' Torah 'obsolete' and ignoring all the due times that God set aside for us to observe.

    Yet most every sermon preached is preached from texts that are in Torah, why preach from 'obsolete' books?

    Any Christian will willingly try to keep nine of Gods ten commandments, and never wish to discuss in scripture how they justify dropping the fourth commandment.... personally I do not care when they 'worship' or how they worship, but from scripture, I can see that Yahweh does.

    Yeshua said:

    Matthew 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV)

    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    What would cause a Christian to hear those words....  ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’?

    Ask and answer that, then look at our Shabbat rest.

    1. celafoe profile image60
      celafoeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      only true for jews not true for disciple of Christ

    2. aguasilver profile image77
      aguasilverposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Please point out where Matthew 7:21-23 shows that it refers ONLY to Jews?

    3. celafoe profile image60
      celafoeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      jh-  clearly you do not understand what a NEW  covenant is.   that age is gone we are in a new and the final age of man-- all things are new

    4. aguasilver profile image77
      aguasilverposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Charlie, please just answer the question, with scripture.

    5. celafoe profile image60
      celafoeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      try the book of Hebrews.

    6. aguasilver profile image77
      aguasilverposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      That's not an answer, it's a diversion, I have read Hebrews many tines these last 25 years, be specific, and scriptural to present your answer; Iasiah 28-10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line...

    7. profile image60
      KingdomComeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      In the "New Covenant", there is NOTHING said about the Sabbath.

    8. aguasilver profile image77
      aguasilverposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Luke 4:
      16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.

    9. profile image60
      KingdomComeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      New Covenant, New Covenant, New Covenant. The New Covenant does NOT TEACH ANYTHING about the Sabbath. Covenants means LAWS

    10. celafoe profile image60
      celafoeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      jh--Luke 4 is prior to the new covenant, He was under the law there.  new covenant starts at the cross.  you do not understand that chap and verse are added, not scripture.   cant trust bibles need to check scripture instead of translations

    11. aguasilver profile image77
      aguasilverposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Yeshua was never 'under the law' He simply did His Fathers Will (which is illustrated in the law) but He did it perfectly, which we cannot do in the law.
      Which is why Yeshua came in the first place, to provide a way for mankind to honour JeHoVah.

    12. profile image60
      KingdomComeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      John Harper- you are wrong, Jesus Christ came to spread the gospel of the Kingdom of God. Everything else was second. Read Luke 3:43 which proves it.

    13. celafoe profile image60
      celafoeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      jh-- you say Jesus was never under the law.   Scripture says He fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law, he had to be under it to fulfill it. parroting false doctrine is always wrong

  5. celafoe profile image60
    celafoeposted 12 months ago

    it all depends on whether you are  a disciple of Christ or a follower of the churches of man.... Scripture is clear Jesus fulfilled the law and replaced it with a new law and only 2 commandments.    Instead of the law with harsh punishment He brought a new law of forgiveness and mercy.    His true followers, disciples as scripture calls us, follow Him because God has appointed Him as the ONLY go between man and God and the ONLY way to eternal life.
    Most importantly  God gave Him  ALL AUTHORITY ON HEAVEN AND EARTH  for this the last age of man.    This final age will end with Jesus giving back this authority to God and submitting to God for eternity then the judgement at which the true disciples of Christ will pass into eternity and all others will be sent to destruction in the lake of fire.

    Those that believe Him (His true disciples) understand that ALL DAYS ARE EQUAL no day is above another and we worship (fellowship) with Him EVERY DAY in Spirit and truth.     They understand they are the church.
    Those that follow men and go to "church" believe they must put on a good show, attend what they call "church" when there are meetings there  and be led by men .

    1. profile image60
      KingdomComeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Spot on celafoe. And this is the BEST ANSWER.

    2. aguasilver profile image77
      aguasilverposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Matthew 5 verses 17-20 show the criterion for the law being finished, it includes Heaven and earth passing away, and death being finally defeated... which takes place in the millinium.. YES Yeshua defeated HaSatan, but it's not OVER yet

    3. profile image60
      KingdomComeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      celafoe- By mistake I deleted your last e-mail to me. Would you send it again.

  6. Kiss andTales profile image79
    Kiss andTalesposted 12 months ago

    The sabbath observance was based on a contract between Isreal and the True God YHWH , Known in our language as Jehovah . Notice scritures. At Exodus 3:15 it says this my forever . But Moses was only directed to Isreal no other nation at that time.
    Notice Exodus 24:7-8
    They at that point obligated themselves as his people.
    As Moses binded that agreement in blood.
    Again no other national group was binded.
    But the point is Isreal had broken their agreement many times like people do in marriages as to being unfaithful and worshipping other Deities or breaking moral laws. Notice Matthew23:38.
    Also at Luke 13:34 says they had become killers of prophets sent to them .Which they killed Jesus also.
    And the precious gift to humans was his Son Jesus .They conspired with the Roman Goverment to kill him .Yes he died but his life was restored not in the flesh but spirit a body.
    The Ten Commandments and the sabbaths were based on a small scale of right and wrong and sacrefices of animals were given a gift offerings to Jehovah for forgiveness .
    We today sin but Jesus death as a first born Son paid forgiveness for nations of people no longer just for Isreal or Jews and centuries of lives no matter your ethnic background.
    The point is Jesus was the new covenant for for humans on earth to be forgiven and the gift to live forever is the only hope through Jesus we have available now.
    Our hope is not based on sabbath days . But now all human can approach the Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus on any concern .
    Luke 22: 19-20

    1. aguasilver profile image77
      aguasilverposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Exactly what I believed for 25 years... then I studied and found different. We are GRAFTED into Israel, when we became grafted in, we came under that covenant. Yeshua gave us a way to escape the curses of the covenant. The Sabbath is a blessing.

  7. AF Mind profile image55
    AF Mindposted 12 months ago

    We are going to touch on these verses and show you the truth on behind which day we are to worship.

    Verses Explained


    Acts 20 7

    This is one of the ones used to justify Sunday worship. Here it says they came together to break bread on the first day of the week. That is the topic of the discussion. It was not about making this the primary day as to which we are to worship. Just because they came together to break bread conveniently on the first day of the week does not mean this is now the new command to do.

    Here is the proof. Read Acts 2 47. it says that they broke bread and praised the Most High daily with one accord in the temple. They did this daily, not just one day of the week. There is also the possibility that this verse should say they met on the Sabbath and was mistranslated.

    Resurrection


    Matthew 28 1 and Mark 16 9 says he came back to life on the first day of the week. But notice that there is no mention of sanctifying this day in order for it to be the new tradition amongst the church.

    The Corinthians Collection


    1 Corinthians 16 2.

    Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as YHWH hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."
    Sunday worship? Let's see. Verse 1. What is the topic of this discussion? It is about the collection of the saints. Again, not about changing the day of worship to the first day. It is saying that on this day they need to gather together so there will be no gathering when Paul comes. Who were these orders given to? The church of Galatia and the Corinthians, not all of the churches. They were having a problem having the money together, so Paul told them to do it on the first day so that there will be no problem when he arrives. Just like 2 Peter 3 15-16 you take scriptures from Paul out of context to your own destruction.

    Now we will go over the verses that supposedly say that we do not have to worry about keeping the Sabbath anymore.

    He Is Our Rest


    Matthew 11 28



    "See? It says he is our Sabbath."

    It makes no mention of the Sabbath in that verse. Read it from verses 26-30.

    The disciples kept the Sabbath many times.http://www.eliyah.com/85times.html  I could go on, but I have a 2500 character limit so check the rest out here

    https://hubpages.com/religion-philosoph … -Deception

  8. Tricia Ward profile image81
    Tricia Wardposted 11 months ago

    This might seem like a simple answer but I would say do as God leads you.
    In today's busy society I know people that can not do either day. I know Christians that have a very Hebraic view and try to avoid Saturday meetings etc and I know christians that don't have a strict mindset.

    I work in missions and sometimes I have to work at events. I also have younger kids and so getting any time can be hard.

    I know that some carve out time mid week when the kids are at school.

    I personally struggle to get much time so I have found an altogether different way to rest and recharge.

    I don't think God is going to condemn you for choosing the wrong day. Find a system that suits you as God knows your heart and intention.

  9. The0NatureBoy profile image45
    The0NatureBoyposted 11 months ago

    The "Sabbath", as all of the other feast and scriptural holidays are, is a metaphor of something in man's earthly cycle.

    For man following the social standards it doesn't matter which of the seven days of a week one designate as Sabbath nor any other religious established holidays, so long as we keep it. The real question should be "how do we "keep the Sabbath holy" or whole, which the world holy actually mean.

    If we, as Genesis 1:14 KJV tells us, recognize man's plight on earth has the sun, moon and stars as "signs" in the likeness of "seasons, days and years" and find how the Bible presents them to us we would realize "the day of rest" ending the seven days of creation is like the moment just before sunrise. Upon looking north or south there is a balance between dark and light is what it represents.

    The one called Christ called it "a straight way with a narrow gate" suggesting something easily missed while the one called Buddha called it "the middle path" for the same reason. So, what is intended to be done on the seventh day Sabbath is (Psalm 1) to mediate on how to integrate the "Judgmental adjectives" so we can see the 360 degrees of every subject matter to take us through "the flaming" to purify our minds of "the knowledge of good and evil" so the "sword" can cut us away from all attachments (Matthew 19:29) for returning to living in the ecological environment called "garden".

 
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