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If Jesus had to be crucified to fulfill His mission on earth, why is Judas consi

  1. Kylyssa profile image95
    Kylyssaposted 2 years ago

    If Jesus had to be crucified to fulfill His mission on earth, why is Judas considered His betrayer?

    According to Matthew 27:5, "So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself." So obviously he was not motivated by greed, hated what he'd been forced to do, and hated himself for doing it.

    Christians believe Jesus died for their sins and did so intentionally. If this is so, why do most Christians consider Judas a betrayer if he aided Jesus in His mission by telling the Romans where and who Jesus was? If it had to happen for Jesus to save mankind, how could it be evil?

    Why would helping God (Jesus) fulfill God's plan be considered betrayal?


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  2. JMcFarland profile image86
    JMcFarlandposted 2 years ago

    I've asked this question many times.   Not only was Judas hand picked by Jesus,  who already knew that he would betray him,  but he signifies historically the Jewish people who had Jesus arrested and killed and rejected him as the savior.   Judas is a classic scapegoat,  and in the various gospels,  he turns from someone motivated by greed (which clearly wasn't true) to someone who was possessed by the devil himself.   Yet without him,  Jesus cannot fulfill his destiny,  which is why he was chosen to begin with.   Even his death has two different,  conflicting accounts.  What I want to know is, if Jesus was so widely famous as to stir Jerusalem up and have thousands crying for him to be crowned king (in the entry story,  which happened only a day or so earlier according to the synoptic gospels) why did they need someone to point him out and identify him at all?   It's the confusing dichotomy of widely famous teacher vs little known,  unrecognizable prophet that nobody knew that the gospels are full of.

    1. Kylyssa profile image95
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      This is one of those contradictions that people seem to shy away from. Thank you for your insight.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      JM: Not as today w/surveillance by Govt! Jesus moved around! As a matter of fact, He appeared in 1 place & appeared miles away in seconds (SPIRIT in the flesh=Christ, No airplane)! That's why "religion" blvs Matt 28:18-20 last Words v Act 1:9!

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      SirDentposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Judas was not hand picked.  Jesus said someone sitting there would betray Him.  Each disciple asked, "Is it I?"  No hand picking necessary.   Jesus said, "One of you has a devil."

    4. JMcFarland profile image86
      JMcFarlandposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Virgil,  are you saying that Jesus did not choose his own apostles?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Virgil: Jesus DID "hand pick" Judas (Lk 6:13;22:3 Acts 1:16-17)!

      You don't think JESUS "KNEW" (KNOWS) all?

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      SirDentposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      @JMc  That isn't what I meant.  The question implies that Judas was chosen to be the one to betray Jesus.  Your answer implies the same.  If I made a mistake in understanding you, I apologize.

    7. JMcFarland profile image86
      JMcFarlandposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus,  being god, knows everything,  does he not (except apparently when figs are in season).  He chose judas,  knowing that judas would betray him,  without which Jesus could not die like he was supposed to.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Virg: If Jesus "Knows ALL," He KNEW Judas was "betrayer" initially or when chosen!  Either one believes He "knows all," or not!

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      SirDentposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      @NO, that is not the point.  The point is, Was he chosen to betray Jesus.

      Judas made a conscious decision to betray Jesus.  His own device.  Because Jesus knew who would do it, does not mean that one was chosen for that task.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Virg: Again, He "knows ALL" or doesn't! Which one? He KNOWS one before "mother's womb" (Jeremiah 1:5; Ps 139:16; Heb 4:13)

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      SirDentposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      NO, did God know Adam would eat the fruit?  Yes. Did God want him to eat it?  No.

      Get back on point please.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Virg: I'm "on point" discussing JUDAS & JESUS' knowledge of his betrayal beforehand!  You off point w/Adam & Eve!  GOD "Knew" them too or Jeremiah & Daniel LIED! 

      See how GOD wants to be GLORIFIED?

      Kylyssa: Were u asking me re: Council

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      SirDentposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Unfollowing now.  Just to let you know.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Virg:  Follow when you want TRUTH from His Word! That's ALL i have for we must ALL "stand before the judgment seat of Christ!"  (II Cor 5:10)

    15. Rich kelley profile image59
      Rich kelleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mat 24:36  "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 

      No Jesus does not Know everything, Because He is not God. Some things the father doesn't share with His Son.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: Speaking in "parable!" Father/Son so "man" can relate! He only saying "None of your business, "I" haven't decided" otherwise Rev 1:8 (+ more) LIED!

      HE "TRIED" to relate, but due to "carnal" thinking, no one can "see!"

    17. Rich kelley profile image59
      Rich kelleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Matthew 24:36 is not a parable, it is a direct answer to questions that were being asked. The man Jesus was talking to other men/women that were there, it is not the complicated mystery you try to make things.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: Then why the Word "MYSTERY" in Scripture so often? Must be something "Mysterious" about IT or did that LIE too? 

      Remember: Jn 4:24? The ONLY way "revealed!"  MOST "taught" to read "literally!" BIG MISTAKE!

      Read Matt 13:10-13!

    19. Rich kelley profile image59
      Rich kelleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      You cannot name one scripture that Jesus mentions a mystery without telling you what it is, thus it is no longer a mystery. (He used the word twice) John used it twice and Paul the other seventeen times. Jesus never claimed to know all.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: Yes, "He let u know what MYSTERY is" if 1 can "see!" But what you're saying makes Him a LIAR -"Jesus never claimed to know all" based on Rev 1:8 (or is that a LIE too)? 

      STOP reading "literally" or Matt 13:10-13!

    21. Rich kelley profile image59
      Rich kelleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine
      Give me the scripture that says Jesus said He knew all. Crickets............ There isn't one don't waste your time implying there is one. Do you not understand Matt 13:10-13 and would like me to explain it to You?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rich If HE said He was "ALPHA & OMEGA," what gives u rt to say He "doesn't know ALL?" Get real! U calling HIM a "LIAR?"

      Don't need "man" 2 explain as u've had!  WORD (aka Jesus/Holy Spirit) gives better "Revelation" of MYSTERY!

      Rm 8:28-31!

    23. Rich kelley profile image59
      Rich kelleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rev 1:8 is not about Jesus it is about God. But you think they are all the same thing so I'm wasting my time. Just because it shows up red doesn't mean it should be red, again man and his doctrine making things fit.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: ".. man and his doctrine making things fit." Funny u blv "rest" of "red writings" r fm Jesus but only when suits u?

      HS will "reveal" ALL if tampered!

      U know not the only Script saying JESUS IS GOD! Is 44:10-13!

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    Norine Williamsposted 2 years ago

    Because "man" looks "carnally" and not "Spiritually!"  Man looks at "The Letter" which killeth"  (II Corinthians 3:6)! 

    If someone turned "The One I Loved Most" in, from a carnal standpoint, I would hate him too! Scripture says "betrayer" and that's what "carnality" sees!  However, Jesus TOLD Judas, to "Go, quickly" (John 13:27)!  If Jesus told you to do something, what would you do (As He told me to "teach!")?  "Carnally," it "seems" wrong but "Spiritually" Scripture had/has to be "fulfilled!"

    That's why Jesus spoke in parables!  Read Matthew 13:10-13!

    If it were not for Judas' actions, we would not have been afforded "Grace" or sent "The Holy Spirit" "...who leads and guides us into ALL truth" {paraphrasing}  (John 14:26; 16:13) nor receive "remission from sins" (Acts 13:38) and given MANY "Other Benefits!" 

    Did not Jesus say in Exodus 33:19 & Romans 9:18 {paraphrasing} "I (God) have mercy on whom I please?" Did He not go into the grave and "...preached to the prisoners" (I Peter 3:19)?   

    It is NOT for us to KNOW the "Ways of God" (I Corinthians 2:11) unless "revealed" by the Holy Spirit! 

    Jesus told us what to do concerning Judas {paraphrasing John 21:22}  "If I would that he should tarry until I come, what is that to you?"  In other words, "It's none of our business," and He continued by saying "JUST FOLLOW ME!" 

    GOD "revealed" this unto me for Judas did what WE should do to be saved, "Confessed, Repented" & felt such remorse he hung himself (Matthew 27) which is why Scripture says "It would be better if he was not born" {paraphrasing Matthew 26:24)!

    Thank you "MERCIFUL" Jesus!

    1. Rich kelley profile image59
      Rich kelleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No Jesus didn't say anything in Exodus, nor in Romans. In the case of Exodus he had not been born. In the case of Romans He had already died and risen from the dead and was seated at the right hand of God. It is God that is merciful because of Jesus.

    2. Kylyssa profile image95
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for answering this from a Christian perspective. What are your thoughts on the differing accounts of Judas in the Bible, is it that the Council of Nicaea got involved and messed things about?

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rich: Move into "Spirit" & not "The letter!"  If Exd & Rm not JESUS, then Eph 4:4-6 & other Scriptures LIED for IT says "ONE SPIRIT!"  The "rt hand of God" is "righteousness" not an arm w/hand or Scripture would say "thrones!"  I Tim 3:16

    4. Kylyssa profile image95
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Comments get out of order here so it's confusing, sometimes. Yes, Norine, I was asking you about your thoughts on Council of Nicaea, if you thought the differing accounts of Judas in the Bible came from something added then.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kyls: Most agree w/Rich fm "carnal" interpretation & why I thought u asked him. Jesus (Holy Spirit;Jn 14:26 "in my Name"); (& I no u wont blv) "REVEALS" UNTRUTH no matter who tampers!  SPIRIT of discernment is but 1 gift afforded fm Holy Spir

  4. celafoe profile image61
    celafoeposted 2 years ago

    Jesus being led of the Spirit and being able to see the hearts of men chose judas because of what was seen in his heart, weakness and the love of money.   Jesus HAD TO be betrayed in order for scripture to be fulfilled.
    Judas saw who Jesus really was AFTER he betrayed Him and realized what he had done, is why his actions AFTER the betrayal were such,

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie: Yes, Jesus "knew/knows" all thgs & I can "see" that Jesus saw weakness & love of money & knew he was a good candidate for the job! Agree! JUDAS' weakness (money) prevented him fm "serving the Lord w/ALL his heart" & "realized

    2. Kylyssa profile image95
      Kylyssaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for your input, Charlie. So Jesus just used him like a tool, knowing it would destroy him, and threw him away after he'd served His purpose.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      K: Will be Interesting to hear his response based on Judas' actions prior to hanging himself (Confessed & Repented (Matt 27:3-4) as we do today for forgiveness) & considering Jesus went into grave thereafter (I Pet 3:19) .

    4. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      k-   no, Jesus just  allowed him to obtain the desires of his evil heart.

    5. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie: Did u see him "confess & repent" in Script (req'd of us)? (Matt 27:3) Then I Pet 3:19? As a "vessel" for Script to be "fulfilled" MY MERCIFUL JESUS "may have" forgiven? But Jn 21:22! Not OUR business! Just "look" @ JESUS!

  5. roselinsojan profile image54
    roselinsojanposted 2 years ago

    there is only two things in this world 'good&evil'.God always want to save the mankind from the evil devil. so come this all.

    1. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are you Hindu? 
      If so, THE CREATOR (GOD) says you worship "idol" god & you "Shalt have no other gods before me" (Exd 20:3)!

  6. tsadjatko profile image55
    tsadjatkoposted 2 years ago

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    The truth is, the world is full of Judas' kind! The church still witnesses the betrayal of Jesus Christ every day. The spirit of Judas is very much alive in the hearts of many former followers of Christ - and within the walls of the church as well! Could you be a traitor to Christ and not know it? Have you sold out Jesus and betrayed Him? Traitors are those who once were loyal to the one they betray. Only those within the camp can be traitors.

    Jesus could easily have been captured without Judas' help. He had taught in the synagogues, streets and marketplaces. His face was one of the most recognizable in all Israel and Judah. Scripture says the people followed Him even to the quiet places where He withdrew to pray!

    Jesus said to the arresting mob, "Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me" (Matthew 26:55). In other words: "I am well known to you - My face is familiar. Why this sudden attack as though I were a complete stranger to you?"

    Clearly Judas' kiss was not needed to identify Christ - because Christ's enemies knew Him well already! His face was emblazoned on their consciences. And the aura of His mighty presence was itself enough to identify Him.

    It is clear the perpetrators of this crime did not need Judas. The fact is, they despised him. They treated him lightly, using him and then quickly pushing him aside. Judas cast the money aside because he repented of his deed. He likely did not think Jesus would allow himself to be killed. He didn't understand God's plan.

    Satan was behind the scenes, directing every treacherous move. His strategy was to find a betrayer - someone close to Christ, someone He trusted, one who supposedly was under His care. Yet he had to have one whose heart was tilted to covetousness - someone he could entice and weaken, planting questions and doubts in his mind. Then he could possess him and turn him into a traitor!

    Judas was to be the devil's illustrated sermon on how Jesus Christ was powerless to save the lost - because He did not save His very own disciple!

    Satan wanted it to appear as if he had snatched Judas right out of the Master's hands. He wanted to show he had the power to approach anyone close to Jesus and take him at will - and that Jesus would let it happen! He could march right into the Lord's flock as a roaring lion, steal a lamb in his teeth, and damn and destroy him, causing him to commit suicide.

    Finally, when the time would come to push Judas to kill himself, Satan would scream out his testimony to all of hell, heaven and the world: "Do you see what has become of this man? Look at him he was a disciple of Jesus. But Jesus couldn't keep him!"

    No contradictions here, just a lack of insight and discernment from those who think so.

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      Norine Williamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What seems right to man...Ump, ump ump!
      Judas was JESUS' "vessel" so Scripture could be FULFILLED! JESUS was sitting there when HE "ALLOWED" Satan to enter (Jn 13:26) & commanded him to "Do quickly!" Scripture then FULFILLED!
      Thank u Judas!

 
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