Atheists and other non-theists--would you tolerate Islam being forced on you?

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   LoliHeyposted 9 years ago

   Atheists and other non-theists--would you tolerate Islam being forced on you?
   
   Germany has banned pork because it offends Muslims.  Many restaurants and such are banning pork (like Burger King).  In some places, Muslim prayers are being said in schools, and children are asked to recite them, wear Muslim hoods, and learn the 5 pillars of Islam.  Mosques are being set up in airports.  You didn't tolerate this when Christian prayer was said in school, and you hate when people bring up Jesus, so why do you tolerate Islam being slowly implemented in your culture?

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   Michaela Osieckiposted 9 years ago

   I looked up news articles in relation to this "banning of pork in Germany". Most of the sources are actually fraudulent and tabloid trash articles, so I strongly question the validity of this actually being a thing.
   
   Offering up information about Islam and what Muslims do/pray for is NOT the same as forcing them to become a Muslim - I read those news stories too and they're way out of proportion. Most of these parents are simply upset because they don't want their child being exposed at all to what Islam is, not that their children are actually being forced to do anything.
   
   The difference with a Muslim student praying in school versus a Christian student praying in school is that the Muslim will do it in a private setting so as not to intrude on anyone else. Christians often impose their prayer sessions on others. I don't care if people want to honor their religion in school or public settings as long as they leave everyone else alone. Then it's fine.
   
   There are churches and temples in airports. Why not Mosques too?

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      LoliHeyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/german-lawma … sage-bans/

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      Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah... WND is not what I would call a reputable source.

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      Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      A conservative outlet that apparently doesn't bother to review published articles and has been at the center of a libel and defamation lawsuit as a result.
      
      No red flags there...

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   Link10103posted 9 years ago

   For starters, I don't see what Germany banning pork has to do with the US since I imagine that's the main country/culture you're referring to...
   
   I vaguely remember asking you what specific places are doing the rest of the things you mentioned and you just said it was happening so I'll try again.
   
   Where is this happening/has happened? And are there any links?

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   Aime Fposted 9 years ago

   I haven't heard of children being asked to recite Muslim prayers or wear anything outside of Muslim countries.
   
   I also looked up the German ban on pork and found no reputable sources reporting it.  If it's true then I think it's silly and I can't imagine that's something that will stand for long.  If it's a matter of individual establishments making the decision to not serve pork then that's totally their decision.  I wouldn't say not serving pork is infringing on anyone's rights, so have at 'er.
   
   As for schools, students can do whatever prayers they want in their own time.  Just don't force my kid to join in.  I also couldn't care less if there were churches or mosques in airports as no one is forcing me to go into them.

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   Titen-Sxullposted 9 years ago

   I don't know the validity of the report of Germany banning pork but obviously if they did do that, for religious reasons, I would be very much against it.
   
   Doesn't matter whether they do it based on Islam or based on the Bible verse that forbids it.
   
   The lucky thing about being in America is we have a separation of Church and State that shields us from having religious laws forced upon us and also protects churches from government control so both religion and government are more free.
   
   No I would not tolerate someone thinking that I have to follow their religion's rules when I am a non-member.
   
   As for prayers, again I doubt that this actually is the case. The only way I would be in favor of religion being taught in schools is if the schools taught a bunch of different religions and rather than saying one of them must be correct they just provided the students with the facts. They could teach children: this is what this group of people believe, these are some variations of those beliefs, this is the mythology or "holy" text that belief is based on - just the facts with no indoctrination.
   
   For example most kids learn about the ancient Greek and ancient Egyptian gods in school but schools aren't trying to force kids to pray to Zeus. Something like that is okay as long as it is taught without any attempt to make one religion out to be better than the others.
   
   But obviously as an atheist I don't think anyone should ever be forced to pray or even instructed to do so by an authority figure. Doesn't make a difference to me if it's to Allah, Yahweh, Zeus or the flying spaghetti monster, kids should be free to pursue their own religious identities not be indoctrinated.

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   FatFreddysCatposted 9 years ago

   Sorry but I'm calling bull@#$% on "Germany is banning pork." Germany is the Motherland of all things wurst, and you can't make wurst without pork!

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   Dean Traylorposted 9 years ago

   Snopes has info on the German "ban"  It's under "germany-bans-pork-under-sharia-law....voted false

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   tamarawilhiteposted 9 years ago

   ISIS executes atheists as Mohammed did, Saudi Arabia has sentenced an atheist blogger to 2000 lashes likely to kill him, and Pakistan's police won't investigate the murder of multiple atheist bloggers saying they instigated the attacks by denying Islam.
   If Muslims take over, atheists are killed per both the Koran AND Mohammed's example, as was the murder of his critics that Mohammed also applauded, one of whom was a woman killed in her bed with her children around her.

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   Ann810posted 9 years ago

   No I wouldn't tolerate that religion being force on me, because some of them murder lots of people.
   
   Well, pork offends me also and I'm certainly not a Muslim. And taking Christian prayers out of school was a huge mistake. Now if Muslim prayers are being said in schools, hopefully children won't take on that violent-spirit that Muslims are famous for.

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