Why do atheists preach against God but hate when believers preach about Him?
Atheists think Christians are foolish. Well it has been a long time & God has not been proven false! I constantly hear them preach against the Lord yet get angry when Christians preach to them. This is the definition of hypocritical. These people that think they are so educated and smart, actually are preaching hypocrisy. Why do you think this is? Feel free to answer, nobody's honest answers will be deleted or blocked!
You state " I constantly hear them preach again the Lord..." Where do you hear people who are "constantly" preaching against the Lord? I am a Christian but I do know some atheists. They don't constantly preach to me about anything and I think...maybe... it's because I don't preach to them. Just a thought...
How about all the famous atheists who debate the Lord constantly. Their messages are spread just like the Bible's. How about all the average people who preach that Christians are intolerant & complain when Christians try to spread their message.
Where are these famous atheists? I don't see them around and I don't go looking for them. And what average people? I know many and they are not intolerant of me or my beliefs nor are they trying to spread their religious views to others.
Ok the average people would be all the atheists on here. You don't see all those questions and hubs?(: Also if you go on youtube there are famous atheists that have as many views as your famous music artists!(: These atheists debate believers @events
Christians are intolerant and complain....when atheists choose to state their point of view.... Robert, you seem to be one of those sort of Christian.
Because religion and belief in god is just as dangerous as fake medicine.
Well actually there are cases where people were prayed over and doctors didn't know how they medically could get better. So it is better than fake medicine. Not saying God always heals or medicine is bad. But I am saying unexplainable cures do happen
Robert, I strongly recommend that you open your young mind to infinite possibilities. That includes the possibility others have knowledge and points of view which might be more valid than your own - regardless of biblical reference.
That's a most interesting question. One which I think only an atheist can answer. Although I do not think they will answer honestly.
You've posed a question I often have asked myself and could not figure out. They, atheists, constantly attack a Deity they claim does not exists. Yet if He does not exist to them why are they so fervently opposed to Him in whom they say they do not believe?
Again, a great question.
Thank you Susan that is exactly what I am getting at! Glad you understand.
Seriously if He is fake... why waste all your time... and why Him specifically. Lol have a great one!
I know someone, an atheist who complains about being preached at but she publishes articles and question on the subject of religion. It is very strange. I would hope there are some honest answers here from atheists.
Well if there were no God, there would be no atheists. I guess he must exist then.
Not a very good start if you're already assuming that the answer wouldn't be an honest answer. I'd happily give you MY honest answer, but don't really see the point as regardless of my sincerity, you'll assume dishonesty.
What an offensive statement: Although I do not think they will answer honestly. I've been told that before (bcuz C's can't believe we believe how we believe). However, I'm Agnostic, maybe opinions like mine don't count. in this silly debate.
You sure play the victim a lot Catherine. Anyone can sit there and play that guilt game. Christian, non Christian, muslim, gay, straight, anyone can. Are you seriously offended?
I mean that is some thin skin...
It's astounding the lack of awareness people who ask this question in earnest have...
How many of the atheists you're referencing came out of the blue and started attacking God/religion, rather than voicing their opinions/complaints only after being preached to repeatedly by Christians?
Roob,he always starts off demeaning whom he addresses on a topic of disagreement.He is so insecure he feels he has to label you as not worthy of the discussion even before it starts.This is a very insecure individual,justly so as you'll see.
I didn't do a study on that. However I do find it odd that Islam is the fastest growin religion & is causing violence yet Christianity is the religion repeatedly attacked. Some atheists preach to an audience of atheists & sell books. Sound si
Like I mentioned to you on my hub you commented on Roob, Christianity is the dominant religion where most of the atheists here on HP live, Islam as a minority is not the immediate concern.
Still doesnt mean people like it any more than Christianity.
You think the world should be more concerned about Christianity right now than Islam?
I didnt say the world, and I never said Islam isnt a concern. You aren't wrong to say it's a potential threat, but Christianity in places like the US influence peoples daily lives more than Islam does, which is why u see it "preached" about so often.
Yes but why is it not politically correct to attack Islam but Christianity is fair game. Not just here but also in the media. Hate crimes against Jews are not nearly reported as much as Muslims. However there are way more against Jews.
Dunno. My only guess would be that the overwhelming stigma of Islam/Muslims bleeds into attacking those who have little/even nothing to do with Islam and there are people wanting to prevent that.
Obviously, there is such a thing as going overboard.
Link said it exactly right. Christians are who we interact with every day. And although 99.999% aren't terrorists, things like separation of church/state, legislature, etc, is still something that needs discussing here in America, so we discuss it
Well the Christians are being killed in a genocide in the middle east by Islamic terrorists. We should be talking about the Christians... saving them! We aren't at war with Christians... but instead proclaimed muslims
Actually, media only report a small
Amount of the terror attacks -ISIS has killed more Muslims than Christians. And if you think Christianity isn't violent, you've not studied its history. Islam is a younger faith. Extremists of any faith are danger
Jacqui the quran tells its MODERN DAY followers to be violent. While the Bible does not tell it's MODERN DAY followers to partake in violence. If you study the Bible you would know. Are you a bible scholar? If so u r the first gay bible scholar lol.
No, But r you a scholar of the Quran or just spouting what you've heard? I've studied parts of the Bible, scholar? No. However, there r plenty of pastors calling for violence using the Bible in modern times. Easy 2 ignr if it's not u they target tho
Can I have a link to a pastor that is using the Bible calling for unjust violence? You make the claim the burden of proof is on you, otherwise that seems like a pretty strong lie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XYIea9pBA8 Here is my credible link!
Seemed pretty straightforward.
Again Leviticus is in the Old Testament and the New Testament is for modern day followers. Can we agree the world was a totally different place back then? It was a harsh world. But I can see how some ppl could wrongly adhere to the Old Testament.
As if the world wasnt mightily different at the time of the NT either? Lol...
I dont think theres any wrong adherence to the OT roob, unless you can point out specifically where the NT completely nullifies the OT?
If there's none, ppl cherry pick.
Here ya go Link I got a couple of links to the scriptures because they are a lil long for here!(:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s … ersion=NIV
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Luke%2016%3A16 if u want more jus s
Not once, outside of conversations with my husband, have I ever initiated a debate in real life with a believer. Not once have I stood on the corner and yelled my beliefs. Not one time have I attended a festival for the sake of passing out pamphlets of my beliefs. Not one time have I ever knocked on someone's door to tell them what I believe in. Not one time have I asked for anyone's money to support my beliefs. Not one time have I ever tried to force my beliefs on anyone, not even my children. Outside of the internet where exactly are all these preaching atheists?
I mean a large amount of us hide behind our screens as the only place we can openly talk about our views because these days it is easier for many to come out as gay than come out as atheist.
We have laws being made that are religious based, a country that thinks we need to force indoctrination of school children, and people who think they have a right to preach to children at festivals and street corners. So at some point atheists have to speak up. We are a minority in this country. If we don't speak up we will lose our rights. There are between 600,000 and 1 million preachers in the USA alone. Surely a handful of known "Famous atheists" can express their opinion right?
And for the record, most of us do not preach against your god, you can't preach against something that isn't real. The only preaching against is directed at the people who believe and try to force others into believing the same.
You don't go around hubpages telling your beliefs? Because I went to the activity on your profile & it shows that you have commented in many religious hubs & the things you said defiantly weren't for God of the Bible. You weren't forced to re
I post my beliefs when there is a question asked, again in case you failed to read my post I said IN REAL LIFE. I also followed that up with specifically mentioning online. Or were u so busy trying to attack something I said that you failed to read?
I was commenting to the OTR part at the end where you say you do not preach against unless people try to force. Well you don't have to read hubs of believers but you have preached against God there. I didn't fail to read.
Please name one hub, by a believer I have commented on with this account, because I have zero memory of ever doing that, only in Q and A. You asked for an honest answer, and I provided one.
I considered anything started by a user whether article or question to be a hub. I considered this page to be a hub. Now as far as articles go no I haven't seen you post in them about God just on threads like this.
Exactly! So am I preaching simply because I answer a question related to religion? I don't consider your question preaching, and I don't have an issue with MOST believers. I have no reason to group all believers the same.
You said you only preach against God to people who try to force others to believe what they believe... you are not forced to look at or answer those or this question(s) is what I am saying. I am not saying you shouldn't or can't I am just saying u do
Then our difference of opinion is in the word PREACH. I don't see responding or answering as preaching. Preaching implies trying to convince, and well honestly I am not stupid enough to think I can convince anyone to believe as I do.
Well I do believe I could convince people. I know people have convinced me of plenty of things with evidence. We can disagree what preaching means, but word of mouth is influential even text.
It really is weird how Christians get so offended by people responding to their hype. So many of them obviously have HUGE planks in their eyes to not be able to see their fault in anything. Logic = illogic is an amazing example of brainwashing.
Well like I said with all the education people have gotten more violent. Technology and knowledge doesn't save you or make you a good civilized person. Some of the smartest people are the most evil. I am open to debate u seem offended.. often(:
That's just it - you're NOT 'open to debate' with the way you worded your 'question'. You've judge atheists for not believing in your fairytale. What about early C history and bible debunking if you're serious about debate?
Go ahead and try to debunk it. I said I am open to debate. What don't you understand about that? I can have my opinions and be open to debate. Without an opinion how would I debate.
I agree with what some of you had said. I agree with Annsao, as people who are athiests don't preach that they atheist. They don't show up at your door asking you to join their religion or their church because they don't have one.
Those are jehovah witness who show up at your door. The Christians DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT! Our Bible says people will twist the word of the Bible and that is what the Jehovahs do. Please don't compare us to them!
Please tell me that if in thousands of years someone has managed to prove that there's not an invisible creature living in my washing machine that sustains itself by eating my socks. Seriously, go on, try to prove that something that you can't see/hear/feel DOESN'T exist.
It's impossible. You're the one claiming that something exists and thus you are the one who is required to provide proof. I could point to a spot in the air and say there's a miniature invisible unicorn floating there and you will NEVER be able to prove that it's not there because I'll just shut down every argument you give and say that I can FEEL its presence there so I know it to exist.
Anyway, I don't think Christians are foolish. I love and respect many Christians who I consider to be very smart. I don't agree with their view on God or religion but that's okay. We're all different.
So why are atheists "always" talking about God? Because Christianity is very common. Would you say that your Christian values shape a lot of your opinions on social issues? People use their religion as justification for all sorts of things, like opposing equal rights for the LGBT and women, and things that affect everyone else's lives.
Well that is where you are wrong!(: If science could prove where the world was made without a God or could prove it's theories then the Bible would be invalid. However science and technology can't prove it. Yes marriage is a man & woman by defini
+1 on your 3rd paragraph. I don't understand why many Christians think atheists don't like Christians or assume we must argue with our Christian friends.
Foolish is lacking good sense or judgment. You think someone who gives their whole life up and lives their whole life for the Lord has good sense & judgement? Maybe you do to some! & you may like us but not what we live for.
My husband and one of my children are Christians. I assure you I don't think either of them are foolish! They have plenty of good attributes that make them, without that one thing being enough to make me think they are foolish!
Fair enough! Out of all the atheists on here you are my favorite so far. I also have Lupus SLE, me & my mother both. With the Christians in your family you are obviously accepting & loving. Have a good one Annsalo!
I think living in the way you think makes you the best person capable of doing the most good in this world is good sense and judgment. For some people that's living as Christians. I have no problems with that as long as kindness prevails.
Aime, when you say you think "living in the way you think makes you the best person capable of doing the most good in this world is good sense and judgment." I think u need to rethink that statement. You realize you just said living the way
a rapist thinks or a serial murderer thinks or a mobster thinks or a dictator thinks makes THEM the best person capable of doing the most good in this world is good sense and judgment.
Lol. I'm saying that I don't think there's bad judgment in living life as a Christian and still getting attacked by Christians. Whatever man. There are obviously exceptions. For the most part I think people are doing the best they can.
Aime,u couldn't be more wrong.The Bible says the best people can be is as filthy rags in God's eyes.Mankind is hopelessly sinful,not good,there is no one good.Without God anyone is right NOMATTER what they believe,who can say they aren't?
That's an incredibly depressing view of humanity that I will never, ever share.
God gives hope. Yes we all have twisted minds at times... but that doesn't mean you can't clean em up!
Do you think the only way to do that is through God?
I spend very little time worrying about what other people believe.
That is what I believe Link. I have tried the occult as in new age, Satan, other religions, atheism, & the only thing that cleaned up my honestly, twisted thoughts, was Christianity. That is my belief Link.
If it worked for you, great, but it's not a universal remedy for everyone.
I'm fine with Whatever beliefs people have, but once they assert it as fact, especially over other beliefs, be prepared to answer some questions...
I'm open to questions and I don't wish to prove as fact I just wish to share what and why I believe. If it was pure fact there would be no faith. Which is what I believe is most important.
I think this is the way most non-Christians think about Christians - until they get 'in your face' with insisting things like 'science has not proven God doesn't exist". It HAS been proven - over and over again - that the bible has been manipulated.
Show some proof that it is a fact God doesn't exist. I want a solid source that shows it is a fact God isn't real. Science hasn't proved otherwise, science is a lot of theory not all fact.
I'm not talking about 'God'. *I* believe God exists - I'm talking about the bible and the way Christians beat people over the head with it; when it has been proven to be a manipulating, man-written book. I have many examples of that in a hub.
Where did the God you believe in come from? I mean where do you get your info about Him... in your head? What is His story? What does He teach? Is it what you want? Not examples... Proof that its fact.
Gosh, all that doesn't fit into a 250 character response - go read my hub or continue to believe that I don't know what I'm talking about. YOUR beliefs are not my problem until you insist that they are.
Ok just so you know Christianity is where Jesus Christ came from. The Bible says people will twist the word and they will deny that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Your God is not the Christian God of the Bible, Jesus Christ. I am glad we agree.
I watched your video, TSAD - but, I'm not an atheist, maybe that is why. Ludicrous. How do you explain people like me who have come from Christiantity to become atheist or agnostics - like this former preacher? https://youtu.be/K-91oN4Km5U
I thought you said you believed in God, how are you atheist then Catherine?
I'm pretty sure I just said that I wasn't an atheist - you will always find me siding with whichever side is being persecuted because I HATE all the fighting; and I believe all 'beliefs' have spiritual reasons to exists - including antitheism.
You don't adhere to the teachings of the Christian Bible. Therefore u can believe in God but can we agree you arent a Christian as in a follower who believes Jesus Christ is God in flesh?" ppl like me come from christianity to become atheists"?! Wat
No one can tell another they aren't a Christian. Faith is a personal journey with whichever God you worship. Just because one may not worship the same, doesn't mean you have the right to state who is and isn't a Christian. If anyone's job, it's God/s
What I meant was: how do people 'fall out' of Christianty - like me (an agnostic) and the former Evengelical preacher who became an atheist in the video. *I* used to be a Christian. That video claimed to 'know why' atheist think like they do. Stupid.
If her beliefs that she stated are not that of the Bible then how is she a Christian? That is like a muslim who doesn't believe the quran? Lol. You said you believe then you said you are agnostic? How can u do both? Agnostic means u dnt show faith
You said yourself - Christianity is a belief in the Christian God (and Jesus etc) - personal journey that you aren't privy to aside from yr own. Just becus yr interpretations of the Bible differ does not make her any less Christian (when she was).
The Bible says those who deny Jesus Christ is God in the flesh are not true believers... they are twisting the Word. You want some scriptures? What if people picked and choose what laws they wanted to follow, is that okay with you too? Like murder?
Robert, the burden of proof is on the one claiming extraordinary things. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Technology can't prove God exists or not? Not yet. Why? Because science require actual evidence and not just on faith.
Science has not proven its claims of evolution or the world being that old either. So that is my point I am saying yes Christianity hasn't been proven and neither has atheism!!! Both beliefs!(: Get what I am saying NOW?
Evolution - decades of experiments and observation, fossils.
Age of the earth - radioactive dating, historical evidence.
Christianity and the biblical God - the Bible that consists of multiple unknown authors and recorded decades after the events...
Atheists see their non-theism as a generic belief system while religion is a religion and therefore more intense, more offensive.
So they see you sharing religion as a bigger deal than themselves sharing non-faith, though it is more like pro-life and pro-abortion debating.
Well Christians don't go around trying to censor atheists. They are open to debate with them and sharing the Word. At least that is what the Christian Bible preaches along with the Christian church. We understand a lot of ppl won't believe here.
Can't anyone look up a definition? Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of any God/s. It's a lack of belief, not a belief system.
Why bother looking up definitions when it's easier to make up your own so as to easily tear it down...
So you don't believe in atheism. You don't believe there is no God. You can be all technical. But atheism is not believing in God aka BELIEVING there in no God. A belief. Is that so hard to understand? Oh wait a stance lol...
Well, it depends on people, most atheists don't preach against Christ, but do think Christianity is foolish. Personally, I do preach against Christ, because some of the teaching of the bible have cause problem for the western world, throughtout the past 1500 years and to a certain extend it is still doing it, otherwise, I won't care.
What problems? Also you don't think the world is in more danger from Islamic terrorists? You think Christians should be the group we are concerned with? Do those verses hurt feelings more than bombs?
Chronicles 15:12-13 [And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death] Any better then ISIS?
Robert, When Christianity was the age that Islam is now, its adherents were committing horrors that were just as terrible and extreme as anything done today by a tiny minority of Muslims - all in the name of a loving God it would appear!
What atrocities did the Christians commit? Are you saying all wars are atrocities? You think we shouldn't fight ISIS? The new testament is the new law for believers and its about faith we don't fight anymore as a group we turn the other cheek!
Well, antitheists believe that the belief in, and practice, of organized religion has an overall detrimental effect on society. This would explain why they both criticize religion, and may not particularly enjoy open expressions of religiosity.
You claim that this is hypocritical, although I truly cannot see how. There is nothing wrong with an atheist criticizing religion one minute, and then being displeased with some sort of religious practice or custom the next, just as long as he doesn't forcibly prevent them from doing it.
Using your logic, you might as well consider yourself, and every other person heavily invested in a controversial issue, a hypocrite. Another question you could've asked using this train of thought is "Why do believers preach about God, yet get angry when atheists preach against him?"
I don't get angry when atheists have a debate with legit info. I don't want to hear I am tired of those Christians preaching to me. Well then don't talk about your atheism which is a religious view at all or your being hypocritical.
There is a difference between atheist and antitheist. Most atheists aren't antitheist. Atheism is merely the lack of belief in any God/s. Antitheism is that and more. I'm an atheist but not an antitheist.
If you do a search within Hubpages, many people have covered this topic several ways over from all sides - and most include 'legit info'. People can't list info in this constrictive Q&A slot. I suggest reading up on different people's perspective
I need credible sources not a hub and if you make a claim like you did, the burden of proof is on you.
Jacqui-I'm aware of the difference between an atheist and antitheist. I'm assuming that if there is an atheist criticizing religion,there's a good chance they're an antitheist also. I should've made this clearer above. For the record, I'm antitheist.
BM - was more for Roob than you. I figured you knew what you were on about. Sorry I wasn't clear
Both your question and your answer are fundamentally flawed. Seeing as atheists (just like christians or any other group of people), are made up of individuals, all who undoubtedly have different thoughts and ideas...about everything. Instead, a question that was intellectually honest and one that actually wanted real responses would have been posed to the atheist as an individual. You might actually get a response like "I don't hate that believers preach about god. I don't think there's a valid reason to do it, and I may question the logic and reasoning used to reach the conclusion that god even exists in the first place, but I don't even come close to hating it." Intelligent dialogue is how we all learn and grow.
Yes they think they are taking a logical standpoint and that ours is non logical. See our God has not been proven false... so I don't see how theirs is the logical standpoint & that is hypocritical because their belief is just faith not proof!
It's a very poor argument roob that just because it hasn't been proven false, it must be true.
It hasn't been proven true either...to take either stance of "God exists" or "God doesn't exist" is intellectually dishonest.
Atheism is the rejection of the God claim, not the assertion that God does not exist, therefore, the burden of proof still rests with those making the claim that God exists as a statement of fact.
I believe God exists. That is my belief. Can I prove it to you. No. Can you prove atheism. No. That is what I am getting at, yours is no more valid than my belief. They are both beliefs no burden of proof on either side.
Robert, do you have an email I could respond to? I've used an analogy many times in debate that helps clarify, but there isn't enough space in 250 characters. Thank you.
You can follow me & fan mail? But I don't wana put my email out here I am sure some1 would love to harass me lol. The chicken or the egg is the burden of proof on the chicken or egg? Lol how do u know an atheist didn't 1st make a claim?
I understand about the email. How do you know I didn't make a claim? Because I'm telling you I never have, and most agnostic atheists like myself go out of our way to avoid making claims of fact whenever possible. I'm not saying your God doesn't
If your particular belief is that God exists, yet you make no assertion that he does as fact, then you're right, you have no burden of proof. It's those that make that assertion that need to prove it.
No not you I know you weren't around back then. I am saying how do you know someone claimed there was a God before an atheist declared there was no creator? & Link I just believe it is fact but I can't prove. I just preach faith n wat adds up 2 m
Then sorry to say roob, you do have a burden of proof, though I would say it depends on how you go about it as to whether it ever becomes an "issue".
Robert....I'm not sure how that's possible, as without a definition of "god" in place first, how could someone say something that no one's ever heard or conceived of, and that didn't have a name not exist? Plus, wouldn't that contradict the bible?
They could say we must of came from that monkey over there before anyone claimed there was a God or they had heard someone claim it. Isn't that a possibility? & no burden I don't have to prove it, God says everyman will have a chance to decide.
"Instead, a question that was intellectually honest and one that actually wanted real responses would have been posed to the atheist as an individual." That is the way most of these 'religious' & 'atheist' questions are asked on HP - its ridiculo
Why do you spend your time on ridiculous things Catherine? Is that what you like to do? I mean do you think your helping anyone here? I haven't seen you type one thing positive on this website!
Because I haven't agreed with you and my points are poignant? Yeah, I would imagine that is a little frustrating for you.
You said this was ridiculous, do you like ridiculous things and is that what you spend your time on? Lol. Seriously can you answer that question? Also I am serious everything I have read that you wrote not just on this ?, is negative. Lota complainin
I think your perspective is ridiculous - it IS a concern of mine that gets debated every day. I would not have written two long hubs about it if it was not a subject that concerned me. Atheists respond to C's for the same reasons. WE CARE - surprise.
I think your perspective is ridiculous, so there is one thing we have in common! We think each other's perspectives are ridiculous.
Right. There should be more understanding between beliefs and less fun-making. This debate is in-between my personal beliefs since I am Agnostic. I HATE the extremes of all views because they cause such deep divisions. There is room for all 'beliefs'
In Christianity God is the only tru God & the only way to heaven. If you don't believe that you aren't a Christian. You can't be a Christian & another religion, it don't work like that. Agnostic means you don't show faith in God, u said u bel
I think it's because they don't want to acknowledge God's authority and their sinfulness. Rejecting God gives people the justification to live a sinful lifestyle.
That falls in line with the moral reason someone posted earlier.
My question to you would be, why do atheists not believe in any god even if their "sins" don't count as sins to those gods, therefore requiring no justification to live how they wish?
Well actually the 10 commandments aren't the only sins. Living for yourself and not God is called selfishness in the Bible and is considered a sin. Some people believe in God they just don't want to be with Him or His followers.
Oh so many people live sinful lifestyles...and it doesn't have anything to do with their belief or disbelief in God. No one is without sin!
There is no right answer in ethics. Many theists will continue to say "what's the point without god", and many atheists will point to the fact that theists believe Jesus died for our sins, so there's no risk of hell anyway as long as you believe
Yeah if you believe. Exactly the Bible says we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. But... there is always a but!(: if we believe in Him we can be saved, it is faith. That is what the Bible teaches.
Right...but that doesn't help with ethics, bc by that model, it doesn't matter how much you sin, you'll still go to heaven if you believe in Jesus' sacrifice. That's where it gets problematic when theists claim there's no morals without god.
No the Bible preaches that God knows what you truly are doing and thinking. So he would know if you were truly repentant or just trying to play the system and get to heaven. It isn't like welfare when you can cheat the system.
Bible Flock Box,you are exactly right that is most often the reason,listen to video in my answer. The thing is,as the video says, they'll desperately search for any silly excuse to say that isn't the reason, enter Link's comment.
It is very difficult for Christians to believe that we don't feel a need to acknowledge a 'spiritual authority'; and neither do they realize that most of us don't live anymore of a 'sinful lifesyle' than they do. This ignorance is offensive.
I only popped on here bc of something I saw on google, but I'm seeing more and more the lack of quality of posts/arguments...I don't know what hub even is, but I'm suspecting it's an adolescent group. Apologies if I'm wrong, but that's how it seems
Well you don't have to stay if you don't like it. It is funny how people go to places they don't like lol. Btw not submitting to God and accepting his Word as truth is considered a sin in the bible. Not just the 10 commandments lol.
Yeah, sorry iwfcyb - this is Hubpages and we write 'Hubs' here. It is a 'free speech' platform where people like the bible crowd get to insist that they are right and ask questions like this. It is supposed to be 'progressive' LoL!
Roob, you've been decent, but guys like TSAD destroy your cred. Making generalized, unsupported claims to know people's thoughts or motivation amount to no more than "I'm right bc I say I'm right". In other words, it's pointless. Take care all.
Hey,I didn't do anything but show you what two people very experienced in dealing with atheists have to say about it,&you choose to attack me the messenger?Frank Turek and the guy who wrote that book are the ones your beef is with, not me.
I can't have a real conversation with an agnostic who claims they believe in God. That is a person who obviously does not even understand the definition of a agnostic. How could they possibly debate religion. When u learn the definition come back!(:
Umm....Robert, I don't believe in god...I just also won't take on the burden of proof by stating there is no god. As an agnostic atheist who debates legitimately, I simply have the stance that I reject the current evidence presented for god.
You can't technically be an atheist and agnostic. Atheists means you show disbelief in God! Agnostic means you don't show faith or disbelief in God. That just shows how much of a hypocrite you are.
Actually, it means you need to educate yourself. The terms are not mutually exclusive. One can be an agnostic theist, gnostic theist, agnostic atheist or gnostic atheist. Look it up. Gnosticism is about knowing, and I don't KNOW there is no god.
There are plenty of people who identify as agnostic atheists (myself included). I understand it can be hard to understand unless you actually look into it (which you should before calling people hypocrites). Describes my beliefs/feelings perfectly.
Thank u Aime. There are differences. Example, a jar of pennies has either an even an or odd #. If u say u know it's odd and I don't agree to KNOW the same, that doesn't mean I know it's even. Means I reject ur claim of knowing, yet don't know myself
The problem seems to be roobs assumption that all atheists by default assert that God doesn't exist.
You know, regardless of what they actually tell him apparently...
Right. A rejection of someones claim about ANYTHING does not mean you're asserting the opposite by default. I assert nothing about God as a fact, but religion has not met the burden of proof required for their claim. Big claims need big evidence.
Another agnostic atheist here too. Roob - there is plenty of information on them out there, Google makes it even easier to find that info now. Give it a try.
An agnostic is someone who shows neither faith or disbelief in God. An atheist is one who shows disbelief in God or takes stance there is no deities.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism Did you look that up?
No. Agnosticism deals with the claim of unknown while atheism deals with belief. I can BELIEVE there is no God without claiming that I KNOW there is no God. Agnostic atheism.
Please link DICTIONARY SITES that back up ur claim of the definition. Not your MIND but a DICTIONARY! A link that shows atheism isn't rejection of beliefs in deities/God. A link that shows agnostic is not showing neither belief or disbelief in God.
Exactly what Aime said, and as I've said. Atheism is a rejection of the God claim, but not affirmation of the opposite. (See penny analogy) Agnostic further expands on that by acknowledging that it's ultimately unknowable. It clarifies the position
All people get irritated when others try to force their beliefs on others. I once saw a hilarious video of Hindu preachers going door-to-door in a Christian community in an effort to convert them. Guess what? Those Christians were mighty angry! I personally find it tiresome to be preached at by anyone; I'm a big girl and I can think for myself. I spend exactly zero time trying to push my religious views on others. Is it too much to expect others to be equally respectful towards me?
Well you just shared some of ur religious views here to the world. So if you don't want Christians to spread their message to the world and it might be u if ur in the world lol, I don't see why you voice yours at all, isn't that hypocritical?
Rob - you are just looking for an argument. She had not shared anything about her religious views on this answer, and was merely answering yr question. If you don't want it answered, don't ask it. But looking for a fight is just annoying.
Robert, I am not interested in "converting" you or changing your beliefs. You should extend that courtesy to the vast majority of people on this earth who do not share your beliefs.
Im pointing out the hypocrisy. Why does it bother atheists when people share their Christian belief w/ them? But yet she goes on this site and proclaims her opinion. My belief is my opinion. If you want to share urs to the world so will i? Simple!(:
Roob, Im honestly wondering if you're purposely ignoring what people tell you, or if English is not your first language.
Link I am saying, why are atheists bothered by Christians preaching yet they share their disbelief, which is technically a BELIEF that God doesn't exist. It isn't fact an opinion like mine. How is that ok but ours is offensive? How?
The first sentence of Galaxy's answer is what you need to focus on, specifically the end of it.
And you've been told this before, which is why I think you're doing it on purpose, but atheism doesnt make a default assertion that God doesn't exist.
Link where are you getting your definition? Please post a reputable dictionary site that shows atheism is not the rejection of belief in deities.
Link are you joking LOL!? "the doctrine or belief that there is no God." That is from your dictionary link. Are you seriously saying it is not a belief? Because a doctrine is a set of beliefs haha.
Alright roob. Completely ignore the other definition that was there.
Its funny how you consider Jehovah witnesses completely different from whatever you are, but can't grasp that not all atheists make the same claims.
Open to discussion? Neat lie.
HAHAHA here is the other one that further proves my point.
"disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings."
are you serious link? LOLOLOL that is the other one from your page.
you can't have disbelief & say you don't not believe.
Yippee! Another 'question' written to shove Christian belief's down people's throats. Expect an 'Atheist' response/question to this any moment now on HP (or maybe this was a response to one, before - they are continuously up here in a loop - its stupid).
This is usually why/when you 'hear atheist preach' - as a response to Christian dogma such as ''God has not been proven false'! (Maybe that is 'constantly' - I try to take a break from fanatical Christians.)
'God' (the way most Christians believe in him) HAS been 'proven false' - certainly the 'death & resurrection to save souls' part has been along with SO MANY other things. Did you know that not all Christians believe in the 'salvation' part of the message?
I've written in detail about this subject. Making untrue statements with conviction 'for God' is NOT the way to convince people that you're right against heaps and piles of evidence. The problem with Christians is that they all think that they all believe in God/Jesus the same way - when, they don't - and haven't since the foundation of their religion.
Because, in order to allow oneself to be comfortable with the reality that we are going to die and that the end is the end rather than some transition to an afterlife, you are required to be one who believes in and accepts only the truth and facts. Therefore, because of that strong conviction, we atheists are sickened when we see other people who accept nonsense and foolishness as their way of life.
It is not a fact that there is no afterlife. Sorry to tell you but that has never been proven. An afterlife hasn't been proven true either, that is why it takes faith. I was pointing out how you atheists think you are being factual when its theory!
Once you put aside the fear of going to hell the entire concept of god is foolish. You will realize that a great God is suddenly a petty jealous foolish mythical creation of human imagination.
Actually I didn't have a fear of hell I thought of it as separation from God when I was serving Satan and then just my own self. I came back because my mind became twisted and God was the only one to clean it up. My experience honestly.
It's getting clearer where your need for god is coming from.
Most atheists aren't preaching anything. And they're certainly not telling other people they can't believe whatever they like.
They aren't delivering their views on religion to people? If their beliefs aren't completely factual then it is a religious belief like Christianity. I never said they told ppl they can't believe certain things.
As I (and a few others in here) have pointed out to you - most of the time people are responding to C's who ARE imposing their views in some way - such as this question. You expect people to sit back and not respond? Your logic is a little off.
How am I imposing my views, who forced you to come over here or even invited you lol. Catherine you stick your nose in all these religious threads. They don't preach to YOU. If you don't like Christians imposing, don't read our threads yo!Commonsense
And let someone like you continue to walk all over people with your smug 'this is my thread' ranting? I'll get bored eventually and you can continue. I was responding to the first sentence in your response to her - you say variations of that.
No I am open to debate. I am pointing our your hypocrisy. You are here preaching your views. You said you believe, then u said u are agnostic. Agnostic means u dnt show faith or disbelief in God. You aren't making any sense.
As many have pointed out, rarely do atheists 'preach' against religion without a triggering factor - usually someone of a religious nature trying to make laws or rules or discuss those that discriminate based on items that the bible apparently dislikes, or if you are talking about here - threads like this, where it is designed to cause offence or stir up issues with the atheists in question through generalising, generally getting your atheists and your antitheists mixed up (and there is a HUGE difference).
I often speak and discuss in religious topics - particularly those which affect me - such as when people are fighting to have 'Teligious Freedom' bills passed so they can discriminate against others despite it being unconstitutional (then crying persecution because they aren't allowed to discriminate....), or that discuss topics that I am a part of - it often lends a HUMAN element to the discussion.
Human element? Yup, it's VERY easy to argue against something like marriage equality when you don't know anyone it affects, don't understand exactly the affects of it on others, that the other side of all the things that one is against is for have a human being or 100000s, who xan prove that statement is false etc. it provides a human voice to counter some of the accidental ignorance (eg you don't know what you don't know....rather than just being ignorant cause it works for you).
I will only argue against religion when it used against me first - and had been used out of all context (basically cherry picked to suit a purpose). I'm an atheist in that I don't believe in the existence of a God or Gods - but I'm not anti religion or God/s
Did you know marriage was originally defined as a man and a woman. If by definition is it a man and a woman, how can gays get married? They are changing a word. That is wrong. They can get together but why do they have to steal our word?
Given u can't sell yr daughter for 3 goats + a cow, + she's no longer property means it's already bn changed. Anyway, it's not about that. You can't answer to the rest of my answer so picked up on a sml piece I used 2 emphasise a point? Boring.
Those aren't words that have been changed. Why has marriage? I only see one question mark in your whole answer. If you have another question can you ask it again in a more clear way? And I will happily answer that one to, entertain ya a bit lol.
I meant - you comment on one small thing in the answer, that actually doesn't have anything to do with your question + was merely providing background to my point. Yet you found nothing else to say about the rest of it. I'm not here 2 discuss marriag
[Did you know marriage was originally defined as a man and a woman] Because people have the right to religion freedom, marriage is an institution cretaed by human, thus can be change by human
If you aren't here to discuss it then don't, I am not forcing you to stay!(:
Because people need something to believe in. They do not want to be alone.
Jesus tried to shake my hand i told him don't get blood on my new hoody !!
No worries - I'm gonna get creamed on this; but Jesus was a compliation of ancient religious characters; and The Christ did not go through all that physical death/resurrection bs in the Fundamental Christian fairytale. Clean hoody & nuthin but lo
he's a bunch of traits from horus and other egypt gods lmfao !! but they egypt gods at least looked cool and not like a hippie in flip flops!
You have a much better start than some peeps in here.
Christianity was present with the Egyptians, and knew of each other. The Bible is the one that preaches the Egyptians twisted it's views. Where do the Egyptians preach the Christians stole theirs?(: Jesus is considered a real man in history!(: FACT.
There were no christians in Egypt at the time of that mythical person Jesus.
Although not an Atheist now, I once called myself one. I am now spiritual rather than Christian. But your question is biased. You can't put all Atheists in a box and put a label on it (sorry if I am repeating this point, because I haven't had time to read the comments of others), just the same way you can't do same with Christians.
I grew up feeling forced int Atheism by the world around me. When one is trying to develop their own beliefs and is being shoveled religion in heaps, well it's not right; one's beliefs are their own, no one has the right to push beliefs on another, and our society consistently does this. As a means to stop it, I identified myself as an Atheist. That way when the preaching began, it was a way to say "stand back". I don't need to do that anymore, but still can't identify with Christianity, as really God is all loving, not like the Bible says.
I will say this (though no longer an Atheist, I know the mindset well) - don't preach to me, and I won't preach to you! But on the other hand, when Christians knock Atheists, I will stand up every time, because our society creates them. There's nothing wrong with being an Atheist, it's a path towards truth, away from the concrete block of beliefs society presents us with, and there are many such paths.
Well if they aren't a believer in God they are an unbeliever. If they believe religion is false they are atheist. Atheism is TAKING A POSITION, saying God is not real. If they didn't take that position they would be neutral or agnostic.
God is not real! The concept of "God" is built up in your mind to suit your opinions, Robert. You cannot show a picture of your God. You can't touch him/her/it. Because he/she/it is not physical - therefore does not exist. Period.
And Robert, right there is the difference between a gnostic atheist (Alan), and an agnostic atheist (myself). The difference is one will claim something as fact, the other won't. See how the terms are not mutually exclusive now?
Atheism isn't real either then. It is a CONCEPT. Both are BELIEFS! Look it up. I never said God was fact. I said atheism and Christianity are both beliefs by definition. So don't act like yours is factual! BTW still impossible to be atheist&agnos
So you didn't actually bother to look up agnosticism roob?
Guess you're not actually willing to discuss anything then. I thought lying was considered a sin...
Kinda funny that roob called me a hypocrite for identifying as an agnostic atheist before looking it up, demands links instead of my words, then demands others to "look it up" when it's convenient for him in a claim. Who's the hypocrite?
I looked it up B4. U guys keep wronging me telling me what I do and think! Damn I guess im always wrong to u guys, right? Forget it I have a disease that affects my mind & I'm depressed from all this. F it u guys win I'm always wrong. I'm done4go
Roob, I gave you the definitions you were looking for in the other section of comments where you asked. You are the one telling us our beliefs are "impossible" so I'm not sure why you're getting defensive.
Roob, I'm truly sorry to hear about your condition. It was not my intent to beat anyone into the ground on this, but understanding of terms is important in a discussion like this if we're to further each sides understanding of the other.
People keep telling me what I think here, what i've done, and why I believe what I believe. Yet when I speak my opinion or belief I am just ridiculed more and it is immature and stupid and I'm "nobody". I am already a depressed person, I'm done. bye.
As I was going up the stair
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
Oh, how I wish he'd go away.
To be fair, how many atheists come into your church while a sermon is going on and complain about it there? If you're surrounded by people actively complaining about your preaching, you're probably doing it in a public space where criticism is fair game.
I'm fairly new here, but this is a question I've seen asked by many theists on here already. Some have answered their own question by asserting ALL atheists do it to bully and belittle believers.... read more
One could put the question differently and ask why it is that so many Christians are very happy to tell you about their "faith" but become strangely deaf when you try to advance any views of your own that contradict with theirs.
Not all atheists think all Christians are foolish. We simply think that religious people are directing their efforts down a blind alley and would do the world a huge favour if they stopped creating a "them and us" world that leads to dangerous divisions, the consequences of which can be seen in much of the violence and misery that we currently face.
"Well it has been a long time & God has not been proven false!"
You cannot "prove" the negative of existence, Robert. It is up to those who postulate (god's) existence who have the onus of proof.
In Susan's answer, "Although I do not think they will answer honestly" -- What an arrogant presumption: that an atheist would necessarily give a dishonest answer!
(Your - Robert's - 32 hours ago)
"Go ahead and try to debunk it. I said I am open to debate. What don't you understand about that? I can have my opinions and be open to debate. Without an opinion how would I debate."
What good does it do when you declare you are "open to debate," yet all the time there is the presumption in your mind that your beliefs are superior to the opinions of anyone who does not have those beliefs?
It seems to me, Robert, that anyone who comes to an argument about religious dogma and beliefs, has some background deeper needs. You are young as a christian believer and have come, as you admit, from a journey that explored other faiths and religions. Such searching tells us that your yearning has been there for a long time. Right?
Now you are struggling hard to hang on to what your mentors have impressed upon you. If you for moment "back slide," they will be down upon your shoulders castigating you for have such shallow faith. Right?
So now you are trying to substantiate your beliefs in order to appear (to your mentors and peers) as a strong-in-the-faith, born-again believer. Right?
I wish you well on this journey and hope it does not drive you into a psychological vortex of depression. Keep you head up and bolster your Inner Self against those who would deceive you.
And you may well ask what are Jonnycomelately's "deeper needs." I come from a long lonely life. Not many friends and close associations. Don't ask me why, that's complex. But, to look inside ourselves for the answers, can prove extremely useful.
I have been a Christian on & off my whole life. It seems you think your atheism is superior to my Christianity. Well I was an atheist! I was much unhappier then! Your POV is actually just theory like mine. Not fact!(: Ive been lonely too! No frie
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