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The Kingdom of God was the main focus of Christ's ministry, so why do clergies a

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    KingdomComeposted 2 years ago

    The Kingdom of God was the main focus of Christ's ministry, so why do clergies avoid this subject?

    The Kindom of God was the main focus of Jesus Christ's ministry while He was on earth. So why do most church clergies avoid the Kingdom message that Christ taught? Why we should seek first is stated by Jesus Christ in Matthew 6:33 (NKJV) which states: 33 "But seek FIRST the KINGDOM OF GOD and all His righteousness; and all these things shall be added to you." Clearly the Kingdom message is not the main focus in churches today, why not?

  2. celafoe profile image61
    celafoeposted 2 years ago

    When you are building your own kingdom you do not want to promote anything that might interfere.   
    When they are "called", they were not called by God, but by man.    They attend the educational facilities of the men that "called" them, learn the doctrines and interpretations of those men and NOT what God teaches those He calls.   They do not have the personal relationship with God or the scriptures that you only get by personal study and relationship with the Father.     They have no knowledge that the there is one church, one interpretation of scripture or that  about ministry is all about  being SERVANTS OF ALL.   They have the absolutely contrary to scripture mindset that they are "clergy" and are above or over the poor fools in the pews.   They believe they are the go between between of God for "their" people.   They usurp the place of Christ for "their"  people.    They do as they are taught by their apostate  man mentors.
    They are taught and believe that the sign of success is in the number of people they can fool into joining their little kingdom, how much money they can raise and the size of the monument to them that they build.    With never a thought that a real minister builds the Kingdom of God and that the real measure is how they have served God's people and helped them to walk with God, it's all about getting them to follow them and build their useless kingdoms.
    The have no scriptural understanding of the fact that in the NT church there is NO CLERGY.    That the pattern they use for "their church" was done away with at the cross, along with the IT laws.    So they steal money by claiming a tithe which not only does not exist in the NT but when it did it could only be received by a natural Levite.
    In other words THEY ARE DECEIVED  and go on to DECEIVE all that will follow them
    Their interpretation of MT 6:33 is "seek you 1st "my" church and I will take care of you as long as you support me and let me tell you what to believe.
    They and "their churches" are an abomination before God.
    The real ministers of God do not care about any of those things, their only concern is SERVING the people of God.   Another thing we will see in a real minister called by God is found in MT 16:16, they WILL have these signs following them.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      celafoe-thank you for your answer. I couldn't agree with you more. I don't believe the true meaning of  Matthew 6:33 has ever crossed their minds.

    2. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Charlie please explain a bit your reference at the end to MT 16:16

    3. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      sorry somehow i put Mt   it should be MK 16:16

    4. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you good friend and man. I look to God and thank God that I am in the fold and loved and cherished as are my children. We can never emphasize enough to actual baptism.

    5. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Celafoe, you nailed it!

    6. Rich kelley profile image59
      Rich kelleyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Amen Charlie

    7. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, commenting and correcting people needs to be a matter of discernment and sharing. You have turned it into a knee jerk habit. Your comment to me, makes no sense. You just had to do it. Breathe in and breathe out for a bit.

    8. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You prove my point Norine. Not patient reason and thought but immediate reaction with a preplanned agenda. A focus so narrow that it is tunnel vision. Void of contemplation and meditation. A parrot and an empty gong.

    9. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I am not attacking you Norine, I am trying to help you in the areas of compassionate discernment, patience and peaceful interchange with others. You have great knowledge but need to work in the area of appropriate spreading of the knowledge.

    10. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      horine-- I agree with eric as I have told you.  think more write less.  you cause a lot of confusion spouting your PCH cult  false doctrines.  so much you write is confusing to people that have little knowledge of scripture.

    11. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. - 1 Timothy 2:12

    12. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      norine-- I repeat what I said.   I am going to have to start deleting the commenst where you rant and cause confusion since you believe that is ok.   confusion is not of God.

    13. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine,

      The verse applies to YOU within the context of why Paul made the statement.

    14. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      nor= we are all equal in regard to the benefits of Christianity but scripture tells us that the authority is given to men--see 2 Tim.   you use scripture out of context, actually you espouse much PCH false doctrines of men.  error

    15. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine is hung up on the Book of Acts and being Baptized in the Holy Spirit - she has obviously had this experience. It's powerful and seriously life-changing. She is literally 'not here' to be able to respond well to us. Not an excuse just TRUTH wink

    16. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No one is attacking your womanhood or ability to be a spiritually-powerful being, Norine - you've missed the original point, as usual. smile

    17. MovieMatt profile image50
      MovieMattposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Other than the tithing thing where you contradict yourself, this is great

    18. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      mm-  and where do you find me contradicting myself?  certainly not here/

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      Norine Williamsposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      II Timothy 4:14 "Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the LORD reward him according to his works!"

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      snapcracklepopposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      The clergy of Christendom believe that God's Kingdom is in one's heart. True Christians are motivated from the heart to be loyal subjects of God's Kingdom/Government by sharing the good news about God's heavenly based Government (Isaiah 9:6,7).

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Matt 6:33 "Seek ye FIRST the KoG..." Acts 1:4 "WAIT" for the Holy Spirit!"  See the "witness" Scriptures? W/O Holy Spirit; we're LOST! Can't READ HIS WORD w/o "interpreting," to "understand!"  See?

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Matt 6:33 "Seek ye FIRST the KoG..."
      Acts 1:4 "WAIT" for the Holy Spirit!
      Can't ALL "see" there is an "ORDER" to worshiping GOD?
      W/O we can only use "OUR" minds to "interpret" HIS WORD!
      Jn 4:23-24 say "TRUE WORSHIPERS "MUST" worship IN SPIRIT..."

  3. manatita44 profile image82
    manatita44posted 2 years ago

    I tend to agree with you about the essential nature of Christ's teachings, but I cannot speak for others. It seems to me that the devout; the holy and the pious understands. As to main stream Christianity, I do not know. Same applies to so many Faiths! We are all very similar, and some would pursue the Path of inner peace and others would be distracted. Why?

    There are so many reasons! Perhaps you are young, fervent, longing ... in which case it would be wise to just walk your own bridge and do not try to carry others who are unwilling, as the load may get too heavy. Not all who say 'Lord, Lord' will be heard on the last day. Be wise; prepare. Much Love.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      manatita44- Thanks for your answer. What little is taught by churches with regards to the Kingdom of God is most often out of context. Most so called christians seldom seek the Kingdom when they study if at all. It was the center of Christ's ministry

    2. manatita44 profile image82
      manatita44posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Blessed be the One who gave you this knowledge. The journey is essentially an inner one; the transformation of one's own nature. Let's not look at others, Bro. This presents many traps. Push on! Much Love.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Manatita44 -Jesus said in Matthew 6:33 (NKJV) But seek FIRST the Kingdom of GOD............. There is NO trap. If Jesus said it, then that settle it.
      God bless.

    4. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "The Kingdom of God is at hand". Is this figuratively or literally?

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric- At the time Jesus spoke the words you quoted the Kingdom was on earth in Jesus Christ. Now, disciples who follow Christ are citizens of the Kingdom of heaven as noted in Philippians 3:20 (NKJV). Also read John 18:36-37.
      Blessings

    6. manatita44 profile image82
      manatita44posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Kingdom, I agree.
      The trap lies in being so focused on others, that our Hearts becomes impure. My own view is that I should work on my own ignorance. Why take on the burden of others? I'm trying to remove the dust from my own eyes. There are plenty!

    7. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      eric-- it is both and is open to all who are willing to enter under the conditions set by Christ.  there is no other place where salvation is available and NO other way to enter

    8. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I suppose in a very deep way, I cannot even really pretend to imagine what it is like not living in the Kingdom.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Mabel Amponsah- I deleted your answer due to the fact you have attach a link. Feel free to rewrite your answer without the link.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      MISFIT:  How can it be I knew the same as you but NEVER "researched" o/s of Bible?  How can it be Scripture is "revealed" as to it's meaning but I NEVER heard it preached that way?  How can it be?
      Girl, you can't BEAT GOD is ALL I'm trying to tell u!

  4. PlanksandNails profile image86
    PlanksandNailsposted 2 years ago

    The answer is quite simple.

    The Kingdom of God was the main focus of Christ's ministry that his Father gave to him.

    The main focus of the clergy is their OWN self-appointed "ministries" within their OWN four-walled kingdoms.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      PandN- I couldn't agree with you more. Thank you for your answer. God bless.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine- I "again" have deleted your comments. AND your answer. Again, YOU ARE NOT WELCOMED. DO NOT REPLY.

  5. Misfit Chick profile image72
    Misfit Chickposted 2 years ago

    I think because many of them are not entirely sure about it. The 'Kingdom of God' is one of those tricky topics that crosses into grey areas and 'sounds' too easy. But, it was one of Jesus' main messages before he supposedly died to 'save us'...

    The Kingdom of God is within every single person - it just needs to be realized and activated - or 'lived in'. Our 'christos' reigns in the same place inside for us as it did inside for Christ (although most of us choose our egos to reign in that place, instead).

    Luke 17:20-21 “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”

    John 10:34 Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    John 3: "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

    See, there was no separation between Christ's holy spirit while he was here 'in the flesh'. He remained connected to The Kingdom of God - and we are just like him.

    The problem is, that isn't part of the salvation message that is focused on. We participate in all kinds of escapes; and are concerned more with outward appearances. We become wrapped up in judging each other - and just as bad, ourselves. We're not really taught that we are the temple of our own christos; or that WE deserve unconditional love as much as anyone else.

    Staying present and 'in the moment' is how we 'resurrect' or 'awaken' in this life. It is a muscle that needs to be 'worked'; and will get stronger with practice - ALL of your attention, intentions and energy go into your precious moments. Your ego is for helping to navigate this existence. It will become smaller while your christos becomes bigger.

    That is where the Kingdom of God is - when you realize that you and God are ONE; and that there is no separation between the two of you, amazing transformations can happen by simply 'residing' there. This is the difference between knowing the path and walking the path. smile

    1. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      No, the kingdom of god becomes established within you by staying present 'in the moment' with your entire being as often as possible. Religious 'beliefs' & lies keep your attention circumvented or diverted. I'm not talking about 'observing', Nori

    2. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I truly believe that you - especially and in particular - are in these discussions specifically to cause confusion. That is what 'the fruit of your spirit' is, Norine. Part of the problem is that you don't listen - I'm not talking about 'observation'

    3. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not argumentative - I'm making sure you've 'got it right'. If you're thinking about 'believing' in something, your attention is diverted. Belief is not needed - you are 'just in' God. You are awakening your christos. The same that Christ has.

    4. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Belief is a place to start & continue on a spiritual journey. But once you 'arrive' it simply becomes a part of you. Again, if you are intentionally trying to 'believe in' something - your intentions are diverted from remaining present in the mom

    5. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Norine, diversions exist in all kinds of ways and we deal with them. Your 'version' of spirituality will only take you so far - at some point, you have to find the reality of 'walking the path' beyond beliefs. Christ can HELP but can't do it for us.

    6. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You are welcome to delete these comments of mine since Norine's are gone - this looks weird now, ha! I really don't mind her responses (though they can get so maddening). I keep hoping that she'll come back to us, but maybe that isn't possible. smile

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CathrineMosttly- Every single one of us has not been baptized in water and spirit. That's what it takes to enter the Kingdom of God. Read John 3:5. as proof. But there are many in the Kingdom of darkness where satan rules.

    8. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      kingdom  is there a word missing or what am I misunderstanding?

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      celafoe.- Her comment is implying that EVERYONE are in the Kingdom of God. I, simplely, am telling her that it is not true. Most people are in satan's Kingdom.  In order to be in God's Kingdom of heaven one must be baptized in water and Spirit.

    10. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      now I understand and agree completely

    11. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      True, Norine - he said that verse to Pharasees. Yes, my comment is saying that everyone has the Kingdom of God within; and that anyone can access it at any time. Its not a 'tricky' place to get to. However, choosing the Kingdom of God is personal.

    12. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I advise reading just the words of Jesus in context with an open mind. Why do people not see what this scipture says? Bc you BELIEVE something different - religious, manmade rituals that keep people from realizing the very REAL Kingdom of God within.

    13. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      CM=   Everyone who sees it correctly does not see it as you do.   your definition cannot be supported with scripture in context.    but the again, our minds are not so open as to let our brains and understanding fall out.

    14. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I realize what I have written doesn't jive with the salvation message that many Christians believe in. But, not all Christians believe in it the same way - why? What if Jesus message came BEFORE he died, and it has gotten buried beneath 'beliefs'?

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine_ with so many worldly Hub's you have written I have no reason to think that God's Kingdom holds any true value to you. I have no trust in you when you sit there as say " he supposeldly died to "save us". Based on that I don't trust you.

    16. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I've been called a Diest. The world hates me for my 'worldy hubs'. I'll assume you are judging me on the subjects as my mom does. Judging is another very religious concept. Neither Jesus' teachings NOR the Kingdom of God belong to Christianity alone.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Catherine- You're like Norine, you take something someone said and twist it around to say something else. I never said, implies or suggested that I hate you. And stop feeling sorry for yourself.

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    KingdomComeposted 2 years ago

    I want and should make it very clear that I don't think that any one person has a full or complete understanding of God's entire Kingdom. This includes those who call themselves "church" clergies. The Bible does provide an open window to the Kingdom when we read and "study" the word of God. Most examples of who the Kingdom can be observed is through the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. His seroms and many of His parables that He used in His teaching requires the ability to discern in context the teaching of the Kingdom by Jesus who Himself was the embodiment of the Kingdom of God. We fail to see that Jesus Christ is a KING at all times. Jesus said in Matthew 28:18 (NKJV) which states: 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying; " All AUTHORITY has been given to me in HEAVEN and on EARTH."

    There is a purpose for Jesus spreading the gospel of the Kingdom of God during His ministry. And His twelve disciple where charged with the responsibility of continuing the Kingdom message throughout the entire world. What is the point of salvation, redemption, resurrection and eternal life if we don't understand the Kingdom of God message. This was the purpose of Christ ministry. When we begin to understand the Kingdom of God then the purpose of salvation, redemption, resurrection and eternal life is revealed. Has anyone ever stop and think about, Why do we get salvation? Why do we get redemption? Why do we get resurrection? Why do we get eternal life? The Kingdom of God is the ONLY answer to these four questions. This is why Jesus first words at the very start of His ministry was;

    "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." Matt. 4:17

    If we are true disciple of Jesus, then we must begin to learn and study the words of Jesus with regards to the Kingdom message. Learn to understand the Kingdom parables which are mentioned within the first four Gospels of Matthew Mark, Luke and John. These reveal most of Christ's teachings on the Kingdom. We must allow the Holy Spirit to guide us in our study and give us the ability to discern what Jesus is trying to reveal to us about the Kingdom.

    You will seldom hear the Kingdom message from most who call themselves clergy. Most churches with not teach on this subject if at all. Clergies fear that when when the Kingdom message is understood then they will loose a vast majority of their followers because the one's who understand will realize the false doctrines that are taught by those who call themselves clergy.

    God bless.

    1. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      AMEN !!!!!!!!!

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      celafoe- Thank you for your coment.

    3. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      KingdomCome,

      Great answer!

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      PandN- Thank you very much for your comment.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      KC: Do you KNOW what the Kingdom of GOD is?

  7. Louis Rabaud profile image59
    Louis Rabaudposted 2 years ago

    Re: The Above:
    This is a very interesting question indeed! But very complex to understand by a common few. Not everyone can give us a clear run-down about the kingdom of God. But Jesus told us, ' Search and you will find!,'' This is exactly what each one of us, Christian or non-Christian should do.

    When we refer to the kingdom of God, we're referring to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The three persons in One. We ought to believe that, because, when we refer to the kingdom of God here on earth, we referring to Jesus Himself in the tabernacles.

    The most surprising is the Holy Spirit which is God also and which most of us failed to pay a close attention at times. If someone asked you, this question: '' Where is the kingdom of God?'' If you happened to be a Christian, this question is very easy indeed to answer. Because, for a person to become a Christian, he needs first to be baptized. And through Baptism, he received the Holy Spirit. Which means that in receiving the Sacrament of Baptism, one is receiving the Holy Spirit, which in turn makes his dwelling into that person. And the body of that person concerned became the temple of God.  And this is why, Jesus warned us already about offending the Holy Spirit which is in us, Christians. He said, ''Destroying that Temple, I destroy you!'' That's why we should always pay respect to our own body. ( We should avoid such sins as lust and fornication,etc.,).  Mary, the Mother of God, she showed to the three children's shepherd at Fatima, during one of her apparition; a glimpsed about the poor souls going to hell on account for the sins of the flesh. And also, don't forget the sin against the Holy Spirit, which Jesus warned us about. He said, that all sins are forgiven to men, but  the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven; not in this world and neither in the world to come. This is very frightening, to say the least!   

    We, the Christians are the kingdom  of God, here on earth. Only because, the Holy Spirit lives in us. Whereas, for the Father, he is above in the highest heaven. And also with us here on earth, because of the mystery of the Trinity. This is our Faith.  Thank you!
    Louis Rabaud

    1. Louis Rabaud profile image59
      Louis Rabaudposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      John was not formed part of the Trinity.
      In the Catholic Congregation, we strongly believe in the Ministry of the Trinity.  This is our Faith!  Search and you will find it! Thank you!

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Louis- Here's my take. The chatholic church believe they are the Kingdom of God. They treat the Pope like God. The sad part is, the pope let's them. What happened at Fatima about a hundred years or so ago is pure satan. And you don't realize it. Sad.

    3. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      louis-   this article shows your great learnig at the fet of men and not the Holy Spirit.   The trinity is another of the false catholic teachings.   Christ is NOT  god but He IS The SON OF GOD.  The Kingdom of God is not about the false trinity

    4. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      more gobel d gook conf from norine  that is mis-translation NT:3739
      NT:3739 hos (hos); including feminine he (hay); and neuter ho (ho); probably a primary word (or perhaps a form of the article NT:3588);   is not a word for  God

    5. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Funny. Most generic Christians abhor the Catholic Church because of how it supposedly 'twisted' pagan concepts into their religion - with the pagan concept of 'trinity' being the biggest 'twist'; and yet C's hold the trinity to be as sacred. Research

    6. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      The way Norine misreads 1 Timothy 3:16 in her false Pentecostal oneness doctrine is the belief that "God" was vindicated. This is how religious cults cherry-pick Bible verses ignoring proper exegesis from the original inspired language.

    7. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, so your God needs to be vindicated. Yes or no?

    8. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, You cannot answer the simple question can you? You keep trying to divert. Does your "God" need vindication? You keep posting 1 Timothy 3:16 all over the place, so why won't you tell us?

    9. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, You are being stubborn. It is a simple yes, or no answer. This question exposes your modalist doctrine because you know there can only be one right answer. You are obviously avoiding it in fear because you know what it exposes.

    10. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, No, my God (Yahweh) needs no vindication, but yours does because you use 1 Timothy 3:16 as a "proof" verse that Jesus is God. If Jesus is God, then your God was vindicated according to your modalist doctrine.

    11. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      John did not lie. It is your modalist doctrine that does. The Word as proclaimed by Jesus... was God (Yahweh). Truly, truly I tell you, whoever hears my Word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life. - John 5:24 Yahweh's Word is his purpose.

    12. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      norine ignores or twists anything she does not "feel" agrees with her twisted doctrines, notice she ignored that the Greek word mistranslated in  her version of 1 Tim 3:16 as God,  DOES NOT MEAN GOD   and is error

    13. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      norine- try reading the CONTEXT  CONTEXT  CONTEXT  READ THE REST OF THE CHAPTER  TO see your error

    14. PlanksandNails profile image86
      PlanksandNailsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Norine, you can't base doctrine on cherry-picking verses in isolation. This is the epitome of many religious cult doctrines. This is the reason why you refuse to answer my question to you. This exposes your eisegesis into the text of Scripture.

  8. Ericdierker profile image56
    Ericdierkerposted 2 years ago

    What an interesting question which has lent me to thought and review.
    Luke 17 (NKJV) 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”
    And we look to all of Luke 17 to put the revelation into proper perspective. Clearly the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. This glory is not to be added to or subtracted from by man. It is divine.
    Isn't this the real "good news"? If I were given such predilection and gift I for sure would want to shout this from all the places where I might be heard.
    So why would a teacher not proclaim this first and foremost in every opportunity? One would have to conclude that in many instances it is a worldly fear in the teacher. In the extreme, if we know this truth then what purpose do we have for the teacher? So often those with knowledge hold on to it for themselves for security and personal power over others. That is just a wicked fact of man. The fact that this withholding is institutionalized is sad indeed.
    To me, it seems as though a veil of ignorance is often used by clergy to maintain their earthly position. And that brings me to the root cause of why this subject is avoided. Lack of love. Somehow those things of man have separated the clergy from that connection with their neighbor. A schism has appeared. There is not a oneness of the hearts of the clergy and the flock. Somehow it is somewhat of a "them and us" mentality. Instead of a celebration of faith the rituals have become a performance where the performers seek adoration and support rather than giving it.
    A sad note is to realize that this is not the focus because the clergy has actually lost touch with the Kingdom. And so we pray for them.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Eric- Thank you for you thought  out answer.
      God bless

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      MISFIT: How I wish u KNEW - HOLY SPIRIT does a better JOB than u "researching" for we are talking the SAME THING yet u "shame HIM" by not BELIEVING HE can do better! 
      BELIEVE & more than u can find will be "REVEALED!"

    3. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Our beliefs, language, human concepts and actions are only relevant to us. When we do anything, like worship - He 'reads' hearts, and cannot tell the difference between the worship of a Christian or Muslim devotee - or a crazed football fan, even. smile

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      YES - "HE reads "hearts" BUT is "A JEALOUS GOD" & didn't write II Kgs 17:29-41 for NOTHING!

  9. roselinsojan profile image54
    roselinsojanposted 2 years ago

    The clergies interpretations are different from Christ's.they say&teach us differently because  they want to avoid the questions asked by their followers and want to insist on their principles.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      roselinsojan- I agree with your comment. Clergies interpretations are different. When earning their theology degrees they learn nothing of the true Kingdom of God because they are not guided by the Holy Spirit Most have personal agendas.

  10. David Candel profile image60
    David Candelposted 2 years ago

    Churches especially "seeker friendly" types don't even hold tight the Cross message.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      David Candel- It does seem that churches want to be "seeker friendly" as oppose to seeking the Kingdom of God which they seem to have no enterest. And this is partly the fault of the clergies who don't understand the Kingdom of God nature or hid it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      MISFIT:  JESUS was THE CHRISTO or ONE SPIRIT who could been seen in flesh & was EVERYWHERE else @ same time!  Stop looking @ JESUS CHRIST as "man" (TRINITY)! HE came as "man" to relate to us yet GOD (Jn 1:14; I Tim 3:16)! 
      Protestant can't fool

    3. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      You're SO close, LoL! YES, Christ WAS 'God in the flesh' and came to teach & show us that WE ARE EXACTLY THE SAME AS HIM. He came to show people the TRUTH about themselves & how to walk in this life - through the KoG that we ALL HAVE 'within'

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Not "SO" close MF!  I didn't have to "research!" You're the one BEHIND or do u THINK u're ahead of the HOLY SPIRIT? 
      I AGREE
      but we MUST "ACTIVATE" via BELIEF in HIS WORD which is our basic "FOUNDATION" re "Communication Line" 2 HIM then TRUTH!

  11. flpalermo profile image60
    flpalermoposted 2 years ago

    Why does Traditional Christianity not teach the Kingdom of God?
    Because they do not know what it is.
    Galatians 3:29 “And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and HEIRS according to the promise.”
    Many Christians do not understand that they are HEIRS to the promises God gave to the father of the faithful – Abraham.
    [Gal 3:7 KJV] “Know you therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.”
    Jesus Christ came to “CONFIRM” those promises, (as part of the gospel message to mankind.)
    [Rom 15:8 KJV] “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.” [Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel).
    Do you know what those promises were?
    It was NOT heaven, as traditional Christianity teaches.
    Christianity, with its  man- made traditions and obsession with worldliness, has forgotten the gospel of Jesus Christ.
    Jesus, quoting the prophet Isaiah said:
    Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, “Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men…”
    A false conversion, by a false Christianity, is based on human tradition and the total disregard for the laws and commandments of God.
    When did you last hear on a Sunday morning a sermon on the subject of overcoming Sin, on OBEYING God in every area of our life – on being totally different from the world?
    You won’t hear such a message today because it doesn’t fill the pews and it won’t pay the pastor’s salary.
    A “feel good” gospel proclaims that Jesus has already done it for you.
    Jesus taught his disciples that understanding comes only to those that obey God.
    He inspired his followers to “Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
    We must remember that Jesus [Mar 1:14 KJV] “…came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God…”- not a message about the person of himself.
    That gospel has to do with the promises that God gave to Abraham and his children forever.
    Ultimately, it includes the whole world – NOT heaven!

    [Rom 4:13 KJV] “For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.”
    Christians are CO-HEIRS, joint heirs with Christ and Abraham, of those promises. (Romans 8:17).
    Discover for yourself the real gospel of Jesus Christ.
    [Luke 11:9 KJV] And I say unto you, “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
    Remember that if you are a Christian, then are you Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:29).
    [Dan 7:27 KJV] “And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.”
    It’s better than going to heaven.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      flpalermo- Thank you. Matthew 7:21 sataes: 21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord ; shall enter the Kingom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven."  I believe it's a bit more complicated but there's no room here to explain.

    2. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      amen

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      flpalermo- I agree with much of what you have said, but again there is more to it or I should say there's other issues such as baptizism which is part of entering the Kingdom of God. As one example.

    4. celafoe profile image61
      celafoeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      kingdom-- I agree there is so much more but I sure do enjoy learning and participating in it.        we will never get it all in this life but we can keep working on it.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      celafoe- I very much agree with you. Learning God's word is a never ending process.

    6. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I count myself blessed to not know everything about God. Each day holds the promise of new revelations. What could be better than that?!

    7. Ericdierker profile image56
      Ericdierkerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Norine I have never seen any of your writings provide new revelations. Perhaps you think you were called to disrupt HP. You are doing a great job.

    8. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Sometimes I really wonder if ANYONE is 'really saved' in your book, Norine - you have something 'corrective' to say to everyone, no matter how much they agree with you. You have the most argumentative relationship with the HS I have ever seen.

    9. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      Again, there you go with ASSUMING that *I* am not speaking through the SAME HS as you do!! For once in your life, MAYBE you should LISTEN for a change. I finally finished my hub about this - you should scroll way down to the end section b4 last video

  12. RachaelLefler profile image96
    RachaelLeflerposted 2 years ago

    They are all tied to politics, it's almost impossible to find one who is not more attached to some kingdom of earth or other above God.

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      KingdomComeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Rachael Lefler- I agree that church clergies do support the Kingdoms of theworld and chergies are interested in the Kingdom of God. We must not forget that clergies make their own little kingdoms to rule over. Take the Pope for example.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      KC: "DELETERS:"Their blood is on "YOUR" hand" (Ezek 3:18)!

  13. stas karimov profile image60
    stas karimovposted 21 months ago

    God is the most powerful in the world because God has the Paradise. God can do anything. God finds a man who can do a work for God and offers that person to live in Paradise. Nobody believes that I invented the formula of universal weapon. I just learn from God! If we will create Earthy Paradise any person on this planet will do anything for us to go to Paradise! Right? Absolute strength is the ability to do everything we want to do! This is the first. And now the second (dish). A Church and a truth. I need money you need money, the church also needs money! To make money we are all forced to serve those who give them. In other words, the ocean of lies around us.

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      KingdomComeposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      Stas- Your comment does not appear to have anything to do with the question asked.

  14. Reluctant Revival profile image64
    Reluctant Revivalposted 20 months ago

    The clergy was and is too self absorbed to realize that church (Jesus' bride) is much larger than just their earthly dwelling place.

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      Norine Williamsposted 20 months agoin reply to this

      They really don't know what it is! 
      Do you?

 
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