How do you view this verse; 1Peter 2:24 (pick your own version)
1Peter 2:24 has a phrase indicating we are one of these to sin. "Dead to". "asleep to". "sin no more" without reference to asleep or dead to sins. I think it is clear this is not talking about a repentance but something else. My look into Hebrew and Greek analysis leads to more confusion.
My understanding right now is that it means sin does not effect us. Which would indicate that though we may sin it does not block us from God.
I would enjoy hearing others on this.
John said, "the blood of Jesus Christ , God's sin, cleanses us from all sin." In this sense, sin does not exist because Jesus dealt with it.
Chris I like how you distinguish the facet; "In this sense". It bears out the context in which this was delivered and by whom. I see Peter as one tending toward rules. So I feel this passage has deeper import, than had it come from Paul.
Norine, I don't think Eric was being critical of Paul. These men, the Apostles, had personalities as well as divine inspiration. Just like with the OT prophets, the message was matched with the man.
Yes Chris that is what I was getting at. And you got me to go have a look at John on this. To me it seems that John is asserting two truths. One applicable to all man. And one of almost an atonement confession. As though we get it, But do better!
I agree. I think it is regard the spiritual plane and God's judgement / fellowship, not man's or its agencies. Footnote: Another person is agency. I think the verse's intent is after the 'grand' act of redemption / salvation. In my mind and heart that has occurred with Christ on the cross who was persecuted and suffered upon it, it is secure, and there is finality. To me the intent of the verse is pursing a life of righteousness. In my view that is a continuum and subject to the human condition, thus there will be obstacles and failures. In fact we may repeat them. But, we no longer will have penalty spiritually; we are dead to sin. And, it is about 'Hope'.
Well said Tim. Thank you. Perhaps man is just fallible enough to sin no matter what. But our close connection with God not being broken, gives us the juice to keep trying to be in His will, through hope. The grace is final, the journey is infinite.
You are welcome while I Thank You for asking the question. I pondered with quiet time and reflected. I think you said it very well with "The grace is final, the journey is infinite".
One way to look at this, Eric, is like you said; sin has less influence on us. It does not block us. But I think that, though we may sin again, we may be less inclined to do so, preferring to be even closer to God. Another way to look at it, is like when Paul talks about reconciliation. We cannot be reconciled with God and alive to Christ while we are also alive to sin. Something like that.
ALL disciples had the SAME MIND of the SAME SPIRIT! There were "no divisions among them" (I Corinthians 1:10)! They were "With One Accord" not as we are today and the reason being; they "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for the HOLY SPIRIT (Acts 2:2-4) who has "ONE MIND" (Philippians 2:5)!
You may think HIS WORD is a bunch of "gobblygook" but if IT IS WRITTEN and you say "You love the LORD," then you MUST "Obey" in order to acquire the "Connection" to HIM to be of "ONE MIND!" That's why there are 25K different denominations in the United States alone; MOST didn't "WAIT!"
I keep asking ALL to "STUDY" (II Timothy 2:15)! Read the Book of Hebrews - "Christ has done it ALL!" Read Romans! "Christ is the end of the LAW" (Romans 10:4)! Just READ!
I keep telling ALL under the New Covenant GOD SAID "...I will remember their sin no more" (Jeremiah 31:34)! Does GOD LIE? HE also said "I will put my law in their hearts and minds" (Jeremiah 31:33) but the ONLY WAY HE can is for us to "Obey" HIS "last" commandment (Acts 1:4) to be "born again" (John 3:7)!
I John 2:1-3 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we (those who have "WAITED" or "Obeyed" HIS "last" commandment" or been "born again" or "anointed" or "baptized with FIRE" (Acts 2:2-4), we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: AND HE IS THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (IF THEY KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS!) [LISTEN!] (v3) "And hereby we do know that we "know" HIM, "IF" (Did you hear "IF?") we keep his commandments." HIS "last" commandment is the ONLY WAY we can "know" JESUS which affords us the "Connection" to HIS "ONE MIND!"
Colossians 2:12-14 "Buried with him in baptism [with FIRE], wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith OF THE "OPERATION" OF GOD, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he "quickened" together with him, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU "ALL" YOUR TRESPASSES. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (aka "LAW") that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS!"
The "GOOD NEWS" under the New Covenant of GRACE and MERCY seems TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - BUT - IT IS WRITTEN!
CHRIST has done it ALL! We should love HIM enough to "Obey;" Be Thankful and continue to say THANK YOU JESUS!
We have sin & must "confess" NOT "repent" cuz "IN" Christ "IF" Obeyed LAST comm.Confess & Repent 2 diff thgs! If I LIE on u, I must "confess" (or apologize) which is "Confess ur sins one to another"(Jm5:16)! Once "IN" JC Deut31:6;Heb13:5 appl
Did the HS tell you that confess and apologize mean the same thing,, are synonyms? Manson never apologized yet confessed. Socrates apologized but did not confess. Use English girl because we know you hate Greek or Latin or Hebrew.
Matt5:23-24"...if u bring ur gift to the altar,&remember thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave ur gift before the altar,& go thy way; first be reconciled (confess) to thy brother&then come & offer ur gift!"CONFESS!
Where in this world's English did you get the notion that reconciled and confessing were the same. Certainly a reconciliation means a balancing of the books.
"OUGHT"=PROBLEM! "No division" or "No bad feelings" so "Reconcile" to the way matters were before disagreement!
I can't have hate in my heart for u & say I love the LORD (IJn4:20)! "CONFESS one to another"(Jm5:16) cuz GOD "sees" the heart !
We are dead to sin and alive to Christ - meaning sin has know dominion over us anymore because the blood of Jesus has set us free from the power of sin
Norine, get some sleep. I was simply asking if the position followed a general teaching like the catechism. Please do not make me start deleting you again for constantly attacking.
That's a great verse and I enjoyed the responses you've had. The death of Christ satisfied God's justice and broke the power of sin in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin when we have Christ in our hearts. It will look different in different people's lives but the truth is sin's power is broken...it may be more obvious in some lives and more subtle in others, in some more dramatic and immediate and other's lives it's a slow process, but Christ has won. I love the ending that "by His wounds we are healed" that we are healed and in the process of being healed of the devastation of sin.
David you make me take a look at the tenses involved. The clear indication about past sins and new sins. Thank you
Darling Norene I think I will just go back to deleting you, you have no new news. You are boring and not profiting God. Same ol' same ol' demand to stop human thought. -- just know that I will just start deleting you to spare others.
Norine sorry this may sound harsh but (Prov 3:5 says no such thing it speaks of leaning unto the Lord to guide your brain. In essence you are lying about what (Prov 3:5 says -- yes I will delete someone who spreads false hoods about God's word.
Norine Phil 2:13 says: 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Not "God works in us" that is a false quote you made. Worketh does not mean works how you used it. It means works like a noun. It is complicated
I have an article that goes into the Law of Moses that can answer this. It seems to be saying that they are dead to transgressing it, as those who are born again keep the law.
Could you help me out with the meaning of "dead to transgressing it"? Means that they will not anymore or does it mean that it does not matter if they do?
Let me show you how GOD "Works!"I had Bible open to Jn 6:63 by "accident?" "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth NOTHING..." who "WORKETH in us"(Phil2:13)" Teaching us"(Titus2:12)which makes us "dead to..."Gal3:27 ("baptized"w/FIRE)
Eric: It always matters if one transgresses it. It means they are born again.
Norine: I already sent you an email. If you want to talk more, read that first.
"Born of the spirit" means baptism w/FIRE as disciples on Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:2) if we obey *last* commandment to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4)! 1 has to "put on Christ" (baptism/FIRE) or"born again"not obey laws which comes naturally IF "born again!"
Norine, I would wager that without Googling it you do not know the what quickenith and worketh mean, They are not the same as do quickly and work. What kind of Bible are you reading from? Do some etymology.
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