Is there an afterlife?

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The Learnerposted 15 years ago
This is a question for all you atheists or anti-theists. What do you believe about death; is there anything after it? Do you believe in any kind of eternal soul that lives beyond bodily death? Reincarnation? Or is death just the end?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure yet. Some days I think there's nothing like another life. More like changing energy. Some days I think I am a soul or sort of, and I will keep my mind after death.
  
  It depends on the weather .
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Strangely and coincidentally, death just happens to be the term to describe the end of life. And, that is exactly what we observe when we observe the dead. If there were something transitional about life to another world, then we wouldn't use the term death.
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  suraj78posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's the good question for every human being. According to me every person is bundle of body and soul not the soul like that which we can see. The soul which is so small that can't be seen. When any person die means soul level the body. It can be understood with an example like when our home get old we leave it an go to the new one. We can say it as rebirth but soul couldn't remind it's past life.
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  bojanglesk8posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When we die our energy goes back to the earth and we are transformed into a different entity.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i don't think death is the end. i think we are reborn to have another go at it...but i don't think we stay behind and haunt houses or anything.
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  Tadeusz598posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There's no evidence for an afterlife.
  
  As for re-incarnation...what a load of bunk.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Learner:
  May I ask you a question regarding an "afterlife?"
  I've asked it of theists and all I have ever gotten is opinion based soley upon what they read in the "holy" scriptures.
  
  Q. Why would we "conscious" creatures deserve/qualify for/or rate an "life-after-life to any greater degree than say a Florida fruit fly?" Does "it" also have an opportunity for a life after life?
  Why do we "human animals" consider our lives to be of greater value, than any other earthly life?
  
  Hmmm?
  
  By-the-way, I'm not an atheist or a theist.
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  tamekahallposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you have every attempted to really read and gain some clarity you would know that death was brought to us by disobedience, we where not created to die . Gen.2:17, Rom5:12,17,19 You can't compare us to a mere bug we are His greatest creations. Has anyone tried to um... read for themselves about anything. We unlike any other creation have a soul and it does'nt float around, haunt people or come back as someone else. And I think it's sad that common since ain't common. People dumb themselves down these days. Does anyone read anymore, or just rely on somebody to tell them. Bottomline - we will find out who was wrong and then what? Cliche -"OH! GOD HELP ME." Sorry to late!!!!!
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  marcel285posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't fear death, because of a near death experience. (Drowning), i know that there is something after. When i was drowning, i was being sucked down into a whirlpool in a river. I was fighting to get to the surface, but i gave up, because something came over me and i accepted death, and realized that it was not the end. I was only 16 at the time, so by no means ready for death..But it was like secrets of life were revealed to me, everything made sense, and i knew that death didn't mean DEAD forever. Now i don't fear death at all. I believe in a spirit realm and reincarnation.
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  Cly Walshposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is no afterlife.
  
  Once we die, who we are is gone. There is no 'soul' or 'spirit' - there is the brain and that's it. The 'soul' and 'spirit' arguments are very old-fashioned ways of explaining what modern man understands as the human consciousness.
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  topgunjagerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it doesn't matter what anyone believes, it just can't be proven, trying to find the answer for this is a waste of time=)
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Game Over means game over,No respawn here.
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
You're dead, it's over with. There is no proof of life after death, including Jesus. So, that leaves us poor pathetic little human species, to figure out things in the present, instead of putting them off for the future.

Too much SH!T continues to be baked into half-dim-witted, hair brain ideologies, so people can be controlled by others.

There are simply too many hair-brained ideas about what's after death, when people should be concentrating more on living their damn life in the first place.
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  The Learnerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What do YOU think? "hair-brained ideas" and "half-dim-witted...idealogies" are of no concern to this forum. What do you believe and why?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightened progressives don't need a God they worship themselves.
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  The Learnerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Forgive my ignorance, but I don't get the connection between your comment and my previous response.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're debating people who don't believe in religion. They think we pray to sky-faries. They have only a concept of self thats why it's all about personal gratification and religion encites their conscious and they don't like it. I wasn't commenting on your post more your assumption of a rational conversation with an atheist.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know, this is the most horrific statement I've heard come out your mouth since I first met you.
  
  However, it's YOU who are self-absorbed. Yet, you don't see it.
  
  Your poor attempt to demean those who don't follow the supposed "GOD" of religion, is just that, an attempt.
  
  You are the one(religious folk) who assumes garbage.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cag you, me and religion will never mix. I've heard your arguments and they don't wash and you know it because as I've said before I still haven't heard of any atheist relief organizations. That alone sets believers apart because they put their money where their mouth is. Not one atheist on the Hubs can walk the talk so they put others down so they can try and keep up.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You've heard my argument? Not likely enough for you to stick around for an argument of mine. So, don't lie about it. You'd be lucky if you could even grasp my concept of life, versus the garbage you peddle for religion.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This isn't true. Sneako lashes out sometimes when his understanding fails him.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You've never seen me lash out. What isn't true? Lets see atheists believe in religion.....hmmmmm....not so much. They think we're stooges led around by the nose hoping there's a God.(you have to agree with that) If by chance there is a God, and there is, and you knew you would be judged would you still violate the Ten Commandments?(I hope you'd be smarter than that.) The insults and hate we have to contend with don't show us any hope you will repent but thats your choice. Now whats not true?
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  Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sneako I see you throwing out more than your share of the "insults and hate".
  
  What I objected to is your statement that atheists have regard only for the "self", chasing after instant gratification, and that we spurn religion because thoughts of a god bother our consciences.
  
  And since that is the second time I've seen you mis-spelling it I have to point out to you that the word is conscience, not conscious. It was pretty funny the first time, too, cause it was in a post where you accused atheists of having trouble spelling certain words.
  
  Anyway.. If I believed in your religion would I still violate the ten commandments? Well, basing this on what I've seen from christians, yes! Wait a minute, are you saying (again) that christians aren't smarter than that? Shoot, Sneako, I know that you yourself violate #9 all the time.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Sneako, why don't you clam up, while you're already behind. You claim to have knowledge or know "GOD", but in the end, you cannot even tell that Christianity and Atheism are BOTH a religion. DUH!
  
  What part do you not understand? If you need someone to explain it to you, I'm sure Mark Knowles would love to explain it, so you can understand it. I promise, I'll even ask him to use small words for you, so you can grasp what he talks about.
  
  Of course atheists are going to think you're a stooge. You believe in something not real. What else do you think that they are going to think of you? I certainly don't think they are going to call you a genius.
  
  Before we dabble in your intellect, let's talk about the so-called intellect you used in the above statement? Hmmmm.....? I guess you were saving yourself for the next sentence. Oh, okay.
  
  See, now I would have given you credit for being smarter than that, by implying that she isn't smart already? Hmmm......? It just goes to show yourself
  None of what you said is true. There is no god and your individual belief only holds true for yourself. Hence, by you spreading your individual belief here in this forum, you are essentially tell everyone your take about life. Thus, showing your limited capability for understanding it.
  
  So, I hope you have a great day. Thank you for showing how useless your religion is, was and forever will be.
  
  Oh, btw- just a reminder, have a great day.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Sneako, when I want your opinion to speak for me....I'll let you know. But, until then....pipe down.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I told you. You're dead. Why? Because, life is over. Why else? Duh.
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  kessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I feel some real emotion in that post.
  
  Let it out sister.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You must be brain-dead. I'm not female, and never implied I was. Therefore, being your sister is a little difficult. Besides, whether or not there is emotion in my statement or not, it doesn't make a bit of difference.
  
  The words don't change. When you're dead, you are done.
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  kessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry brother.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought you were female for quite awhile. You set me straight about it though so now I understand that is how a metro-sexual talks and acts.
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  wordscribe41posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Completely agree.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hear Hear!
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Yes.
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peptalkposted 15 years ago
I know one self described atheist, basically he says that he is exactly what the term implies... a-theistic, or doesn't believe in a deity. He's never mentioned what might happen to him once he dies.
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Niteriterposted 15 years ago
Hey, Cagsil! Have you been practicing your harp for when we get to the Pearly Gates?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You keep dreaming of your pearly gates.
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  Niteriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You haven't been practicing, have you? The flames await you my non-plucking friend.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Practicing? You're joking right. And, should you be correct, which I'm already 100% positive you're not, but IF you are correct, then the flames will be welcomed, because it wouldn't be any different than living life now.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But hell is cold! I would much rather be a little warm than freezing!
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Niteriterposted 15 years ago
Any agnostics allowed in here?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fire away!
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  Niteriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have faith that I'm going to die. That's all I know so far.
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  Foititisposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I wouldn't call it faith considering all the evidence that suggests we will each die one day.
  
  As for "that's all I know so far"... I think is the best attitude to have in regards to this question.
  
  Does the thought of an afterlife have any positive impact on how we live our current lives? For me I can say that it does not... so I go on living without concerning myself of the unknowable.
  
  The only practical example of a purpose to "afterlife" discussion is to use hell as a scare tactic into changing peoples behavior. I think any change this might yield is conditional and breeds further judgement and conflict, outweighing any benefits of the changes it might produce.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
we are discussing if there is an afterlife, I don't believe so but to confuse matters I believe our souls continue into other things. Bottom line, while we are still alive we'll never know anyways.
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  Niteriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When I die I want to go wherever you're going.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kisses
  Hi Nite
  Haven't seen you in a bit
  So we ll hook up in our whatever afterlife
  sounds like a good plan to me xo
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
I'm pretty sure that when the brain shuts down, so do the sky fairy fantasies. When the sub-conscious part of the brain starts to run out of oxygen you "see the light" Been there, glad I came back. Nothing to see, move along!
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have the answer!
  You Win!
  Our hero!
  and funny as hell
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  thank you kimberly!
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Niteriterposted 15 years ago
Just so you know, Kimberly, earnest drools. Ask CW.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But only a lot!
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
Tic Tac anyone?

They last to the afterlife, apparently. geez.
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  Niteriterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm trying to get Cagsil to learn to play the harp. It'd go nice with my gospel songs.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your gospel songs? Oh please.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gospel Songs? Pearly Gates?
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alexandriaruthkposted 15 years ago
we dont know really,
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andromidaposted 15 years ago
I think that there is a afterlife but not necessarily that life form will be like the earth life form.No afterlife means no accountability of our actions- believing in afterlife is a kind of inspiration or hope that someway we will not be lost as long as our soul leaves our body.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean there is no accountability? You are accountable to yourself and what's honest or true. You do a horrific disservice when you don't hold yourself accountable for your actions.
  
  However, accountability is also governed by laws and statues, that were designed to punish those who break morality rules. When you hurt someone, you are accountable to yourself, that person and those who govern.
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  andromidaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you are right.I meant no accountability of our actions to any one including yourself.Who is that anyone- perhaps God.Everyone is not perfect like you that is why still there are lots of injustice in this world-why they do not feel the accountability of their actions-they are clouded by the greed of power and money.Yet, there are many good people and if you think deep you will find the reason being accountable of actions lies in the fear of afterlife punishment.
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You think he is perfect? Are you in love??? how cute....
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At times Hokey, you can be a laugh a minute, but this wasn't even funny.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You should be honest enough to hold yourself accountable. It's insanity that someone has to do this for you.
  
  Can you prove this so-called "GOD" even exists. If not, then oh well, must be your imagination working overtime.
  
  Okay, first off, I don't claim to be PERFECT, as you've now claim that I have. There is injustice in the world, because a few control the millions/billions of people, while those millions/billions don't realize it.
  
  Do yourself a favor? Don't come at me with your petty ramblings of a supposed "GOD" figure, you expect for some odd reason, to be your judge. What you cannot do it yourself? You cannot control your own actions and hold yourself accountable. Then, I would say there is something wrong with you.
  
  If you are a rational individual, then obviously you wouldn't fear life or death, because you would have a better understanding of life and death.
  
  As for my ability to discern truth about my life, has allowed me to pass by the fear of death and not worry about a fantasy form of judgment, for which, might or might not, happen AFTER I'm already dead.
  
  Before you ramble on, I suggest you gain a better grasp of reality and understand life. Otherwise, what's the purpose of living, if you don't understand your life. It isn't to just live, that's for sure.
  
  Either way, be honest - hold yourself accountable and learn more.
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  andromidaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you asked me"Can you prove this so-called "GOD" even exists. If not, then oh well, must be your imagination working overtime."
  
  My answer is can you prove that god does not exist. Neither you nor me can prove anything about the existence of god.
  
  secondly you said, "Okay, first off, I don't claim to be PERFECT, as you've now claim that I have.",
  , so please think if you are making any mistake.
  
  Thirdly you said, "I suggest you gain a better grasp of reality and understand life. Otherwise, what's the purpose of living, if you don't understand your life. It isn't to just live, that's for sure."
  
  I would say that you are the greatest philosopher of this planet who got the complete understanding of life.Why are you worried so much about my understanding of life?
  
  Finally I would say I like your concern I won't give you any advice like the way you gave me because I am not here to show any hatred, we all are here only for a few days, so lets live like real friends.Thank you.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You claim no one can prove or disprove the existence of your god, yet you believe in him as if he was standing next to you. Do you not see the obvious fallacy here?
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  andromidaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said.thank you.Have I said that I believe in Him or do not believe in Him?Its not a fallacy, its a puzzle for us all which we never gonna solve out.No one has the power either to prove or to disprove the existence of god.In the name of god we have lost many people-so its better to let all the people to let him believe whatever they want. My point is the debate about the existence of god will not take anyone in anywhere-the is no practical application of this question. The greatest scientist Albert Einstein had even doubt about the existence of god.I am nothing or no one to make any judgment abt. god's existence.I just express my thoughts that is there is no point to argue abt god's existence -the answer directly go into the black hole,from where there is no come back.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There's no puzzle in realizing the religions of today are built on the myths and superstitions of yesterday.
  
  Yes, that's helpful. Let's lose more people in the name of gods.
  
  There is no practical application of religion or gods. No point.
  
  Of course, Einstein wasn't an idiot. He realized the same myths and superstitions that many others have also.
  
  Then, why would there be any point in believing in a gods existence?
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And, that's what most important, whether or not you can be honest with yourself.
  
  If a god, then there is no accountability as there is no evidence for gods. Hence, you can pretend there is accountability from the invisible and undetectable, but that just gives you a license to do whatever you want with no accountability whatsoever.
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  getitriteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ...Like this?
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXomn9lUlLU
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We, well those of us who don't happen to be sociopaths, all have an internal moral compass.
  
  The afterlife, rewards in some possible heaven, whatever, shouldn't be the guiding force behind our actions. We shouldn't be led by the nose by our fears of punishment!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tell us how you think God should handle it, be careful!
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope!
  
  If the Christian mythology is taken at face value, then we are suppose to deal with it, we were given the knowledge of right and wrong and told to go out and deal with it.
  
  That being said, unless a person is a complete bottom dweller (feel free to substitute your favorite expletive), they are going to feel pretty crappy when they screw up when they break a basic moral law.... like don't beat the crap out of your girlfriend every night..... don't puke in your buddy's car.
  
  If a person can't seem to follow the rules that their society has deemed necessary, and those rules are reasonably fair, then his fellow citizens need to deal with it.
  
  A god need not be involved.
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  tamekahallposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At birth we were condemned we never had a chance if it was'nt for the One who gave you that life anyway. Sometime I resent the fact we have free will, but that's is the very thing that makes us human. Not even the angels in all their glory given that gift. It is a miracle everyday we live. He gave us the one thing no flora, fauna or creature of the deep will ever have and that's the chance of everlasting life. The question of His Sovereignty t(that means His right to rule over mankind) was brought up so it has to be answered. Look at it like this we are in the presence of great power on earth and i'm talking about the devil. Of course he's. He had the whole Heavens to rome and now he's stuck like a genie in a bottle,baby.
  
  Someone will be wrong so you better choose a side and run with it.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, when you're dead and there is nothing left but the little wormies, no afterlife, no gods or angels, etc., it will then be too late to realize you've wasted your life following empty promises.
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torimariposted 15 years ago
I don't know. I don't believe in dieties, but I am agnostic towards afterlife or the conscious prevailing in some sort of energy.

I know we are conscious and living, like trees are unaware nor have a brain, working mechanically but are alive...so what about conscious yet physically not alive?

I'm not going to affirm it, but I believe existence, life and death are far more complex than I could ever understand, afterlife or not. As humans we strive to know EVERYTHING instinctually, and if not we either make doctrine and religion to 'answer' it or we totally reject the concept to 'solve' it...either way, they are based on no solid proof.

I do it too. But, for existence after death, I'm going to leave it up in the air and just live when I know I can.
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double_frickposted 15 years ago
reincarnation.
we simultaneously occupy heaven and hell on this 3d planet.
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zampanoposted 15 years ago
Don't you believe HubPages will make you immortal ?
Your work will survive you.
Your children, friends.
You live in them.
And in the creatures that'll chew your substance...
A good concrete example of reincarnation.
hehehe
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AnythingArtzyposted 15 years ago
so much hate in this forum. I'm a Christian I'm not religious. There is a difference. I believe in God. So shoot me. How do all you who hate us and call us stooges KNOW He doesn't exist. Do you have proof. I mean actual proof. If not then how can you be so hateful.

I know that the Term "Christian" over the years has been used in a very broad sense and has been used to stuff "religion" down peoples throat but that is'nt what a true Christian is or does and it's so frustrating to be lumped together.

It also saddens me that the so called christians on here have been just as nasty to those who don't believe. That's so wrong. God gave us His Word. period. He gave us ALL free will to do with it as we wish. I chose to believe. Period. It doesn't make me a stooge or an idiot. You chose not too. Period. lets stop with the name calling. I know everybody has a right to say what they want but it is not a license to be cruel to ANYBODY no matter what you believe.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Notice that you contradicted yourself? Period.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not tyrying to have a go here, but wanted to clarify a little.
  
  You identify yourself as a "christian," but wish to distance yourself from the "other sort of Christians."
  
  If I told you I was a Nazi - but a different sort of Nazi to the Nazis that burned the Jews - what would you think?
  
  Plus - I assume that - as a christian - you get your instructions as to how to live from the bible. Have you read it? Because I genuinely think you are reading it wrong if you are not going out there evangelizing and telling people how it is. That is what it tells you to do.
  
  As far as I can tell - genuine christians should give all their possessions to the poor and go about doing good works, and I do not see many Christians doing that. I have met one - once.
  
  This makes it hard for us non-Christians to tell the good Christians from the bad ones.
  
  Not hating or trying to be offensive - just telling it from my perspective.
  
  I mean - what do you think it means to be a christian?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well there you go then! God has spoken! Now all you atheist and liberals get in line to get your talking points but lets not get confused by any facts, ok?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So - like a good Kristian - you are not interested in a reasonable discussion then?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Define reasonable.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It appears you wouldn't understand.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not worth a response either? Except for Sneaky attacking me?
  
  Odd. every time I try and explain reasonably why the christian religion is religion non grata - I get no response - presumably in the hope that what I said will be buried in an avalanche of crap.
  
  Why is that?
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  Green Lotusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll give you a vote of confidence.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mark... It depends on what parts of the bible you choose to read too! It's a really big book! Many Christians are still stuck in Leviticus.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  or have been stuck on a few of John's words for their whole life!
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Better John than Paul!!!!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now that is so true! Paul was a right bastard wasn't he?
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My God! Oops sorry! Was he ever.... "if you must have sex.... get married.... women should be watched at all times...... blah, blah, blah, blah.... I think he had a few hangups, yeah?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He was a narrow minded sexist, like a lot of the other authors.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think his work is pretty much where Christianity went all to hell.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The OT is the real cruncher. Psychotic all the way, and avoided like the plague by Christians!
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tell me about it!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You need to do alittle more research. The attacks on our beliefs far exceed anything that the our advisaries have faced. This gross exageration is a typical view of the non-religious. They can say anything or imply anything but if we counter then we're the haters. This is beyond lop-sided it's rediculous. Not a surprise though because thats how liberals work. They feel everything they say is ok but if you call them on their behavior they cry foul! And the world just keeps turning!
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Green Lotusposted 15 years ago
Although I'm still struggling with my own vision of what life after death is like, I'm amused and intrigued at what Deepak Chopra has to say in his book "Life After Death". One of the things he proposes is the theory that there's no afterlife (as we envision it) simply because we're not really living (as we envision it) in the first place.
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I LOVE THAT BOOK!!!!
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't read the book, but have listened to his youtube videos on the series. he has a lot to say about organized religion also.
  enlightening to listen to.
  when I was with my mom at the time of her passing, it didn't seem like she 'died', she passed on... at that moment, my view of death changed.
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  Green Lotusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's a great read with rich food for thought. I've had a hub in progress for months now reviewing the book, but I'm hesitant to publish it. I don't like feeding myself to the wolves if you know what I mean.
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have your back. It is a shame when people have to be dogmatic and close minded to feel comfortable.
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes, I do know what you mean. but you know, many people don't really know anything other than what they have been taught or exposed to. there is an audience for this kind of reading I believe. I would love to read it, your hubs are always well written and informative.
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  Green Lotusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll keep working on it. Thanks for the encouragement
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Publish it! Most people just throw criticism out there to stir things up, don't let it get to you. If you believe in what you are saying then it shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks.
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lyricsingrayposted 15 years ago
Hi Green

Did they say afterwife? get another one I suppose.
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  Green Lotusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL LOL
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Hokeyposted 15 years ago
Debate on an afterlife is inconsequential. Nobody knows and that is what I accept. I don't need to know what happens later to be happy now. So is there an afterlife? Hmmmm.......
Don't Know.
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  Green Lotusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are very wise Hokey. I like the way you think
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you very much. I shall now join you in friendship. Namaste
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But Hokey... as a Buddhist, don't you live in each moment? In that case, there is an afterlife.... at this moment you are a reader and in the next you will be something else. That is something like an afterlife anyway.
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK. Here you go.
  
  Anatta is the notion that individuals do not possess eternal souls. Instead of eternal souls, individuals consist of a "bundle" of habits, memories, sensations, desires, and so forth, which together delude one into thinking that he or she consists of a stable, lasting self. Despite its transitory nature, this false self hangs together as a unit, and even reincarnates in body after body. Following death, according to Tibetan Buddhism, the spirit of the departed goes through a process lasting forty-nine days that is divided into three stages called "bardos." At the conclusion of the bardo, the person either enters nirvana or returns to Earth for rebirth.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ..or remains as energy. Worms need to be fed too ya know!
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay Hokey, but do you not still live in each moment with the idea that you are only what you are doing in that moment?
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. To live in the moment, with full appreciation of the moment & all that it offers is called mindfulness. Mindfulness is a state of being fully present with yourself. This may sound strange, how can you not be with yourself ? Our thoughts and connections with events that do not belong to the present have the powerful ability to remove you from reality. Living in the moment allows you to achieve more, you are able to focus fully on what is required of you in this moment whether it is the simple task of walking or a more complex task. Living in the moment allows you to move forward purposefully when you need to because you are no-longer held back by the past or living in fear of the future.
  
  Just live, just be............................ ..........
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hokey.... that's been what I have been doing for the last year. I don't want to look into the future or the past.
  
  It's driving everyone around me nuts though! I just walk around in my own head.
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Peaceful huh?
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  numb
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hamstersmessiahposted 15 years ago
i believe that information can neither be created nor destroyed. we are unfolding into an eternity of wonder and death is just a trick of the senses.
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  cheaptrickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Information can't be lost",An expression from the science of Physics.
  None of the constituents of a human being can be lost as that would violate the laws of Physics.
  A more accurate question is
  Dose the nonphysical aspect of humans retain cohesion or is there a dispersal of that information back into the Universe?
  For non Physics people the question is
  Do you remain you after death or do you disincorporate and cease to be self aware?
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Now my atheist friends I've never called you liars and I have been called a liar many times. So lets review the facts, I know their messy but lets give it a try. The largest contributors to the religion forumn are hateful Christians such as myself, right?

1. Earnesthubs-atheist
2. Cagsil-atheist
3. Tantrum-Liberal, possibly an athesist
4. Mohitmisa- first religionist/Islam
5. Q- Atheist
6. Mark Knowles-atheist/advisary?
7. Jerami- Christian
8. Twenty one days-Christian
9. Sir Dent-Christian
10. Marinealways-atheist

I'm not even on the list! Six out of ten are atheists and their only in the religious forumn to spread goodwill and cheer. Before you call anyone a liar consider this list. For a group of people who don't believe in God, the atheists sure have alot to say......Hmmmmmm......and cry foul about, have a nice day!
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You forgot me. Buddhist.
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  You're currently not on the list.
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Me an atheist? what gave you that idea!
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  hamstersmessiahposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes i know for a fact earnie believes in the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What? Earnest, I thought you worshopped THE Horney One!!!???
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What can I say? I'm fickle!
  I believe Tantrum is god now, she has the scary threats down to a fine art. Must be the real messiah! Or maybe she just scares me the most cos of the tatts!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey! You're #1! Good job!
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
When I have time I'm going to take this list of truth and honor to the next level. So get ready to break-out such lovely sentiments as I'm a liar.
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torimariposted 15 years ago
Wow, such offtopic immaturity arising on here...let's get back to the OPINION of afterlife.
Religion or lack of it, really brings out the worst in some people who I usually have no qualms with, oy.

Whatever we believe anyway, won't change the possibility or lack of an afterlife.
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hamstersmessiahposted 15 years ago
i believe i'll buy you all a drink after this earth shindig is all over with and we'll all have a good laugh about it!
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hollywoodjamesposted 15 years ago
After seeing evidence gathered on the various paranormal investigation shows, like "Ghost Hunters" and "Ghost Adventures" I was once skeptical about anything after death, but have since reconsidered that idea. I don't think there is a heaven or hell, but I do think our energy carries on once our bodies no longer function.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If so which I believe is possible, into what or to where does the energy go is the important question. I don't want my energy to come back as one of Michael Vick's pitbulls before he was arrested.
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess that depends on your Kharma.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
This reminded me of an episode of "The young ones" where the hippy goes through the life cycle while planting seeds!
The energy is converted as you know, matter just changes form, mind processes are nuclear/electric dependant. So lots of nice nourishment for "mother" earth, and our little nuclear power station stops producing electricity and the hard drive drops it's load.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm, do I have to guess what kind of seeds?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not sure, but I think it was vegetables, not weed, which would be too obvious, and the young ones was too well written to be obvious.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And hes back! Yea!
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peptalkposted 15 years ago
Speaking of the afterlife....

yes, we were talking about that at some point!

My dog is a very good dog, well both of them are good dogs but one is better than the other, and sometimes the other is better than the one... but they are good dogs.

Where to their souls go when they die?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe they switch with their owners. I feel sorry for owner that treated them bad.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  my pups deserve to go to heaven! If we, obnoxious humans, have souls.... then everything does too!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you should write your congressman. lol
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have enough money to bribe my congressman!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  you are screwed. I think they go to heaven anyways, they made a movie about it.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And movies are always right! Thanks for helping, I was getting worried.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not a problem. Glad I could save the faith with the movie reference.
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  Valerie Fposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Most Christians believe that everything that was good about this creation will be retained in the next one.
  
  So yes, that means there will be dogs in Heaven.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Woof.
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awareposted 15 years ago
i hope theres more life not a after a continuation
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awareposted 15 years ago
im no athiest tho
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awareposted 15 years ago
heaven has condo fees its not living its renting
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like a government. lol
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peptalkposted 15 years ago
Not me, aware, once I'm gone I wanna be gone or moved on to something better than this!
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  awareposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  well which is it gone or better?
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just say no to condo fees!
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peptalkposted 15 years ago
do I have to go to work? How will I pay the rent?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If afterlife is work, I would rather retire. There is enough work in life. lol
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awareposted 15 years ago
if heaven aint alot like dixie . i dont wana go
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think it's more like disneyland
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ... or Dizzyland, or even Dipseyland.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  possibly all three
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I love a good trinity!
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  we could always add a 4th
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awareposted 15 years ago
heaven can wait . me im hopeing to be a butterfly
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I want to be the butterfly!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A short life, but boy, talk about beautiful!
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You can be a butterfly too!
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awareposted 15 years ago
proof is in the pudding. you want darkness and a end . then my friend i hope you get it . but there is no proof of that either. with me you wont get a proof of purchase . and that's because i cant be bought off by current caveman truths . i don't need or want to be right. and certainly don't plan on claiming fools gold .
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good Answer!
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awareposted 15 years ago
thats not just a answer . its poetry . welcome to this venue pep . your already cool in my book.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your sweet aware! Thanks for the fan mail..... but now you've found me!
  good stuff yours too
  
  I like the paperboy
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Well friends it's time for a reconing! I went through this entire thread and added up all the not-so-nice comments posted and guess what? Atheists won the insult battle!(no surprise) I reviewed the comments and read the context of that particular conversation to determine if it was a true insult. Here are the results:
1.Cagsil-15
2.Earnestshub-8
3.peptalk-6
4.sneako-4
5.mark-3
6.Tie-pandora and Q-2
7.Hokey-1

Now heres the hard part, Lets add them up:

The no Gods-37

There is a God-4

This would sugest you're almost 10 times more likely to recieve an insult from an atheist! Now this only one religious thread but I'll bet it's pretty close to the average. Truth, what do you know about truth?
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  but I'm not an atheist... I'm just a skinny little bully!
  
  Boohooboohoo.... don't pick on me!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Seven.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are a meanie!
  
  You need to go pick on someone your own size!
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Eight.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  nine
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Facts always ruin a good story and the response is exactly as I expected. This is the reason I'm not serious about my posts so when you want substance from me adress the subject and the other Hubbers with respect. But if you can't it's ok, I don't mind snipeing.
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  peptalkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are very funny! You could grow on me yet.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you're great and I do enjoy your observations!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sneaker has his good times alright!
  Between 2pm and 2.05 pm every ninth Wednesday is set aside to be nice to the non-believers no matter what we pile on him!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I knew there was a reason why I still dreamed about you at night!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Time.... such an odd thing... You do realise sneak, that We are ahead of you all the time over , er down here!
  Was I right with the time? If I left a Wednesday out, I apologise profusely!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do I need to talk to the head of your household! Yes, you were correct!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank goodness for that! I So look forward to those times!
  You can't speak to the head of our household. She is in kinder at the moment probably introducing some new rules for her minders to obey!
  Please do not tell her!!! I am very very afraid of Asha!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure Asha is a very fun and smart woman!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She is, and she is four years old now!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok! You got me! Please don't tell me your she is a he. I can't take it any more!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, Asha is the older of the twin girls and the most deadly! Superspiderman A.K.A Angus is the other threat.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well thats my kind of fun!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do not argue with Asha, too good for me!
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  I bet you're guilty of spoiling so you get your just deserts!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, she is just very confident! Nothing shakes her confidence.
  OK, maybe I spoil all of them a bit. You're just as bad!
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goldenpathposted 15 years ago
Yes, there is an afterlife. It is in preparation of the life to come here on Earth through the Millenium and the great work in that era. That life will be preparatory to the Earth receiving it's full glory after the final battle. Eventually, upon our life portfolio, we will be brought into a degree of glory.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Final Battle" doesn't sound like a loving God to me.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  After the thousand years have ended Satan shall be loosed for a season to tempt mankind for one last time. It will be ruthless on his part. Then the final separating of the wheat from the tares will commence and they shall make war upon the virtuous after which the Earth shall be cleansed and brought back near to God. The Earth shall be the eternal abode for the righteous.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like a "story" to me, not reality.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I respect your skepticism. I guess we'll see. We've got time to wait, huh.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, believers have been waiting quite a few generations now for Jesus to come back. Every generation believes it's their generation that Jesus will come back. Kinda odd.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not really, considering most of them think that they will be saved.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I think saved is a good illusion when the reality is that everyone has the ability to save themselves rather than having dependency on an unknown source. My reality is, when a religious person claims they have been saved, they have really been imprisoned.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Believers do it to themselves.
  
  They willingly imprison themselves, which is absurd.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would agree to the last sentence.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not really. Without understanding the imagery and symbolism contained in the scriptures one can easily get fearful and believe it's "in their time". There are still several things to take place before the said event is to occur. In fact, the beginnings have been taking place for some time, but there are items still to take place.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fear most, he who claims to know the "imagery and symbolism" of scriptures.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed
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seanorjohnposted 15 years ago
Yes.
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Jessessej123posted 15 years ago
I think it makes sense as it i dont think you just lay there for ever and ever and ever!
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philip carey 61posted 15 years ago
For me it will be a mystery. Anything less would be disappointing.
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confused barbieposted 15 years ago
I believe you go to heaven. I gues its just nice to think that your dead loved ones are looking out for you!
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Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago
just make me think of George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpwWz_C8 … re=related
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Faybe Bayposted 15 years ago
I believe it's all in what you believe. If you don't believe in an after life, you just won't find it. Unless of course someone comes looking for you to sshow you where the line is.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We specialize in that!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Yep! I'm here after live, and loving it!
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Faybe Bayposted 15 years ago
Hope you liked Randy Stonehill, I sent you that right?
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
afterlife? Hmmm, maybe a continuation of life.
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Jumpnessposted 15 years ago
Not really sure what there is, but there has to be some kind of continuation or after life.
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