This is a question for all you atheists or anti-theists. What do you believe about death; is there anything after it? Do you believe in any kind of eternal soul that lives beyond bodily death? Reincarnation? Or is death just the end?
Strangely and coincidentally, death just happens to be the term to describe the end of life. And, that is exactly what we observe when we observe the dead. If there were something transitional about life to another world, then we wouldn't use the term death.
That's the good question for every human being. According to me every person is bundle of body and soul not the soul like that which we can see. The soul which is so small that can't be seen. When any person die means soul level the body. It can be understood with an example like when our home get old we leave it an go to the new one. We can say it as rebirth but soul couldn't remind it's past life.
Learner: May I ask you a question regarding an "afterlife?" I've asked it of theists and all I have ever gotten is opinion based soley upon what they read in the "holy" scriptures.
Q. Why would we "conscious" creatures deserve/qualify for/or rate an "life-after-life to any greater degree than say a Florida fruit fly?" Does "it" also have an opportunity for a life after life? Why do we "human animals" consider our lives to be of greater value, than any other earthly life?
If you have every attempted to really read and gain some clarity you would know that death was brought to us by disobedience, we where not created to die . Gen.2:17, Rom5:12,17,19 You can't compare us to a mere bug we are His greatest creations. Has anyone tried to um... read for themselves about anything. We unlike any other creation have a soul and it does'nt float around, haunt people or come back as someone else. And I think it's sad that common since ain't common. People dumb themselves down these days. Does anyone read anymore, or just rely on somebody to tell them. Bottomline - we will find out who was wrong and then what? Cliche -"OH! GOD HELP ME." Sorry to late!!!!!
I don't fear death, because of a near death experience. (Drowning), i know that there is something after. When i was drowning, i was being sucked down into a whirlpool in a river. I was fighting to get to the surface, but i gave up, because something came over me and i accepted death, and realized that it was not the end. I was only 16 at the time, so by no means ready for death..But it was like secrets of life were revealed to me, everything made sense, and i knew that death didn't mean DEAD forever. Now i don't fear death at all. I believe in a spirit realm and reincarnation.
Once we die, who we are is gone. There is no 'soul' or 'spirit' - there is the brain and that's it. The 'soul' and 'spirit' arguments are very old-fashioned ways of explaining what modern man understands as the human consciousness.
You're dead, it's over with. There is no proof of life after death, including Jesus. So, that leaves us poor pathetic little human species, to figure out things in the present, instead of putting them off for the future.
Too much SH!T continues to be baked into half-dim-witted, hair brain ideologies, so people can be controlled by others.
There are simply too many hair-brained ideas about what's after death, when people should be concentrating more on living their damn life in the first place.
sneakorocksolidposted 12 years agoin reply to this
You're debating people who don't believe in religion. They think we pray to sky-faries. They have only a concept of self thats why it's all about personal gratification and religion encites their conscious and they don't like it. I wasn't commenting on your post more your assumption of a rational conversation with an atheist.
sneakorocksolidposted 12 years agoin reply to this
Cag you, me and religion will never mix. I've heard your arguments and they don't wash and you know it because as I've said before I still haven't heard of any atheist relief organizations. That alone sets believers apart because they put their money where their mouth is. Not one atheist on the Hubs can walk the talk so they put others down so they can try and keep up.
You've heard my argument? Not likely enough for you to stick around for an argument of mine. So, don't lie about it. You'd be lucky if you could even grasp my concept of life, versus the garbage you peddle for religion.
sneakorocksolidposted 12 years agoin reply to this
You've never seen me lash out. What isn't true? Lets see atheists believe in religion.....hmmmmm....not so much. They think we're stooges led around by the nose hoping there's a God.(you have to agree with that) If by chance there is a God, and there is, and you knew you would be judged would you still violate the Ten Commandments?(I hope you'd be smarter than that.) The insults and hate we have to contend with don't show us any hope you will repent but thats your choice. Now whats not true?
Sneako I see you throwing out more than your share of the "insults and hate".
What I objected to is your statement that atheists have regard only for the "self", chasing after instant gratification, and that we spurn religion because thoughts of a god bother our consciences.
And since that is the second time I've seen you mis-spelling it I have to point out to you that the word is conscience, not conscious. It was pretty funny the first time, too, cause it was in a post where you accused atheists of having trouble spelling certain words.
Anyway.. If I believed in your religion would I still violate the ten commandments? Well, basing this on what I've seen from christians, yes! Wait a minute, are you saying (again) that christians aren't smarter than that? Shoot, Sneako, I know that you yourself violate #9 all the time.
Hey Sneako, why don't you clam up, while you're already behind. You claim to have knowledge or know "GOD", but in the end, you cannot even tell that Christianity and Atheism are BOTH a religion. DUH!
What part do you not understand? If you need someone to explain it to you, I'm sure Mark Knowles would love to explain it, so you can understand it. I promise, I'll even ask him to use small words for you, so you can grasp what he talks about.
Of course atheists are going to think you're a stooge. You believe in something not real. What else do you think that they are going to think of you? I certainly don't think they are going to call you a genius.
Before we dabble in your intellect, let's talk about the so-called intellect you used in the above statement? Hmmmm.....? I guess you were saving yourself for the next sentence. Oh, okay.
See, now I would have given you credit for being smarter than that, by implying that she isn't smart already? Hmmm......? It just goes to show yourself None of what you said is true. There is no god and your individual belief only holds true for yourself. Hence, by you spreading your individual belief here in this forum, you are essentially tell everyone your take about life. Thus, showing your limited capability for understanding it.
So, I hope you have a great day. Thank you for showing how useless your religion is, was and forever will be.
You must be brain-dead. I'm not female, and never implied I was. Therefore, being your sister is a little difficult. Besides, whether or not there is emotion in my statement or not, it doesn't make a bit of difference.
The words don't change. When you're dead, you are done.
Practicing? You're joking right. And, should you be correct, which I'm already 100% positive you're not, but IF you are correct, then the flames will be welcomed, because it wouldn't be any different than living life now.
Well, I wouldn't call it faith considering all the evidence that suggests we will each die one day.
As for "that's all I know so far"... I think is the best attitude to have in regards to this question.
Does the thought of an afterlife have any positive impact on how we live our current lives? For me I can say that it does not... so I go on living without concerning myself of the unknowable.
The only practical example of a purpose to "afterlife" discussion is to use hell as a scare tactic into changing peoples behavior. I think any change this might yield is conditional and breeds further judgement and conflict, outweighing any benefits of the changes it might produce.
I'm pretty sure that when the brain shuts down, so do the sky fairy fantasies. When the sub-conscious part of the brain starts to run out of oxygen you "see the light" Been there, glad I came back. Nothing to see, move along!
I think that there is a afterlife but not necessarily that life form will be like the earth life form.No afterlife means no accountability of our actions- believing in afterlife is a kind of inspiration or hope that someway we will not be lost as long as our soul leaves our body.
What do you mean there is no accountability? You are accountable to yourself and what's honest or true. You do a horrific disservice when you don't hold yourself accountable for your actions.
However, accountability is also governed by laws and statues, that were designed to punish those who break morality rules. When you hurt someone, you are accountable to yourself, that person and those who govern.
Yes, you are right.I meant no accountability of our actions to any one including yourself.Who is that anyone- perhaps God.Everyone is not perfect like you that is why still there are lots of injustice in this world-why they do not feel the accountability of their actions-they are clouded by the greed of power and money.Yet, there are many good people and if you think deep you will find the reason being accountable of actions lies in the fear of afterlife punishment.
You should be honest enough to hold yourself accountable. It's insanity that someone has to do this for you.
Can you prove this so-called "GOD" even exists. If not, then oh well, must be your imagination working overtime.
Okay, first off, I don't claim to be PERFECT, as you've now claim that I have. There is injustice in the world, because a few control the millions/billions of people, while those millions/billions don't realize it.
Do yourself a favor? Don't come at me with your petty ramblings of a supposed "GOD" figure, you expect for some odd reason, to be your judge. What you cannot do it yourself? You cannot control your own actions and hold yourself accountable. Then, I would say there is something wrong with you.
If you are a rational individual, then obviously you wouldn't fear life or death, because you would have a better understanding of life and death.
As for my ability to discern truth about my life, has allowed me to pass by the fear of death and not worry about a fantasy form of judgment, for which, might or might not, happen AFTER I'm already dead.
Before you ramble on, I suggest you gain a better grasp of reality and understand life. Otherwise, what's the purpose of living, if you don't understand your life. It isn't to just live, that's for sure.
Either way, be honest - hold yourself accountable and learn more.
you asked me"Can you prove this so-called "GOD" even exists. If not, then oh well, must be your imagination working overtime."
My answer is can you prove that god does not exist. Neither you nor me can prove anything about the existence of god.
secondly you said, "Okay, first off, I don't claim to be PERFECT, as you've now claim that I have.", , so please think if you are making any mistake.
Thirdly you said, "I suggest you gain a better grasp of reality and understand life. Otherwise, what's the purpose of living, if you don't understand your life. It isn't to just live, that's for sure."
I would say that you are the greatest philosopher of this planet who got the complete understanding of life.Why are you worried so much about my understanding of life?
Finally I would say I like your concern I won't give you any advice like the way you gave me because I am not here to show any hatred, we all are here only for a few days, so lets live like real friends.Thank you.
Well said.thank you.Have I said that I believe in Him or do not believe in Him?Its not a fallacy, its a puzzle for us all which we never gonna solve out.No one has the power either to prove or to disprove the existence of god.In the name of god we have lost many people-so its better to let all the people to let him believe whatever they want. My point is the debate about the existence of god will not take anyone in anywhere-the is no practical application of this question. The greatest scientist Albert Einstein had even doubt about the existence of god.I am nothing or no one to make any judgment abt. god's existence.I just express my thoughts that is there is no point to argue abt god's existence -the answer directly go into the black hole,from where there is no come back.
And, that's what most important, whether or not you can be honest with yourself.
If a god, then there is no accountability as there is no evidence for gods. Hence, you can pretend there is accountability from the invisible and undetectable, but that just gives you a license to do whatever you want with no accountability whatsoever.
If the Christian mythology is taken at face value, then we are suppose to deal with it, we were given the knowledge of right and wrong and told to go out and deal with it.
That being said, unless a person is a complete bottom dweller (feel free to substitute your favorite expletive), they are going to feel pretty crappy when they screw up when they break a basic moral law.... like don't beat the crap out of your girlfriend every night..... don't puke in your buddy's car.
If a person can't seem to follow the rules that their society has deemed necessary, and those rules are reasonably fair, then his fellow citizens need to deal with it.
At birth we were condemned we never had a chance if it was'nt for the One who gave you that life anyway. Sometime I resent the fact we have free will, but that's is the very thing that makes us human. Not even the angels in all their glory given that gift. It is a miracle everyday we live. He gave us the one thing no flora, fauna or creature of the deep will ever have and that's the chance of everlasting life. The question of His Sovereignty t(that means His right to rule over mankind) was brought up so it has to be answered. Look at it like this we are in the presence of great power on earth and i'm talking about the devil. Of course he's. He had the whole Heavens to rome and now he's stuck like a genie in a bottle,baby.
Someone will be wrong so you better choose a side and run with it.
I don't know. I don't believe in dieties, but I am agnostic towards afterlife or the conscious prevailing in some sort of energy.
I know we are conscious and living, like trees are unaware nor have a brain, working mechanically but are alive...so what about conscious yet physically not alive?
I'm not going to affirm it, but I believe existence, life and death are far more complex than I could ever understand, afterlife or not. As humans we strive to know EVERYTHING instinctually, and if not we either make doctrine and religion to 'answer' it or we totally reject the concept to 'solve' it...either way, they are based on no solid proof.
I do it too. But, for existence after death, I'm going to leave it up in the air and just live when I know I can.
Don't you believe HubPages will make you immortal ? Your work will survive you. Your children, friends. You live in them. And in the creatures that'll chew your substance... A good concrete example of reincarnation. hehehe
so much hate in this forum. I'm a Christian I'm not religious. There is a difference. I believe in God. So shoot me. How do all you who hate us and call us stooges KNOW He doesn't exist. Do you have proof. I mean actual proof. If not then how can you be so hateful.
I know that the Term "Christian" over the years has been used in a very broad sense and has been used to stuff "religion" down peoples throat but that is'nt what a true Christian is or does and it's so frustrating to be lumped together.
It also saddens me that the so called christians on here have been just as nasty to those who don't believe. That's so wrong. God gave us His Word. period. He gave us ALL free will to do with it as we wish. I chose to believe. Period. It doesn't make me a stooge or an idiot. You chose not too. Period. lets stop with the name calling. I know everybody has a right to say what they want but it is not a license to be cruel to ANYBODY no matter what you believe.
I am not tyrying to have a go here, but wanted to clarify a little.
You identify yourself as a "christian," but wish to distance yourself from the "other sort of Christians."
If I told you I was a Nazi - but a different sort of Nazi to the Nazis that burned the Jews - what would you think?
Plus - I assume that - as a christian - you get your instructions as to how to live from the bible. Have you read it? Because I genuinely think you are reading it wrong if you are not going out there evangelizing and telling people how it is. That is what it tells you to do.
As far as I can tell - genuine christians should give all their possessions to the poor and go about doing good works, and I do not see many Christians doing that. I have met one - once.
This makes it hard for us non-Christians to tell the good Christians from the bad ones.
Not hating or trying to be offensive - just telling it from my perspective.
I mean - what do you think it means to be a christian?
sneakorocksolidposted 12 years agoin reply to this
You need to do alittle more research. The attacks on our beliefs far exceed anything that the our advisaries have faced. This gross exageration is a typical view of the non-religious. They can say anything or imply anything but if we counter then we're the haters. This is beyond lop-sided it's rediculous. Not a surprise though because thats how liberals work. They feel everything they say is ok but if you call them on their behavior they cry foul! And the world just keeps turning!
Although I'm still struggling with my own vision of what life after death is like, I'm amused and intrigued at what Deepak Chopra has to say in his book "Life After Death". One of the things he proposes is the theory that there's no afterlife (as we envision it) simply because we're not really living (as we envision it) in the first place.
I haven't read the book, but have listened to his youtube videos on the series. he has a lot to say about organized religion also. enlightening to listen to. when I was with my mom at the time of her passing, it didn't seem like she 'died', she passed on... at that moment, my view of death changed.
It's a great read with rich food for thought. I've had a hub in progress for months now reviewing the book, but I'm hesitant to publish it. I don't like feeding myself to the wolves if you know what I mean.
yes, I do know what you mean. but you know, many people don't really know anything other than what they have been taught or exposed to. there is an audience for this kind of reading I believe. I would love to read it, your hubs are always well written and informative.
But Hokey... as a Buddhist, don't you live in each moment? In that case, there is an afterlife.... at this moment you are a reader and in the next you will be something else. That is something like an afterlife anyway.
Anatta is the notion that individuals do not possess eternal souls. Instead of eternal souls, individuals consist of a "bundle" of habits, memories, sensations, desires, and so forth, which together delude one into thinking that he or she consists of a stable, lasting self. Despite its transitory nature, this false self hangs together as a unit, and even reincarnates in body after body. Following death, according to Tibetan Buddhism, the spirit of the departed goes through a process lasting forty-nine days that is divided into three stages called "bardos." At the conclusion of the bardo, the person either enters nirvana or returns to Earth for rebirth.
Yes. To live in the moment, with full appreciation of the moment & all that it offers is called mindfulness. Mindfulness is a state of being fully present with yourself. This may sound strange, how can you not be with yourself ? Our thoughts and connections with events that do not belong to the present have the powerful ability to remove you from reality. Living in the moment allows you to achieve more, you are able to focus fully on what is required of you in this moment whether it is the simple task of walking or a more complex task. Living in the moment allows you to move forward purposefully when you need to because you are no-longer held back by the past or living in fear of the future.
Just live, just be............................ ..........
"Information can't be lost",An expression from the science of Physics. None of the constituents of a human being can be lost as that would violate the laws of Physics. A more accurate question is Dose the nonphysical aspect of humans retain cohesion or is there a dispersal of that information back into the Universe? For non Physics people the question is Do you remain you after death or do you disincorporate and cease to be self aware?
Now my atheist friends I've never called you liars and I have been called a liar many times. So lets review the facts, I know their messy but lets give it a try. The largest contributors to the religion forumn are hateful Christians such as myself, right?
1. Earnesthubs-atheist 2. Cagsil-atheist 3. Tantrum-Liberal, possibly an athesist 4. Mohitmisa- first religionist/Islam 5. Q- Atheist 6. Mark Knowles-atheist/advisary? 7. Jerami- Christian 8. Twenty one days-Christian 9. Sir Dent-Christian 10. Marinealways-atheist
I'm not even on the list! Six out of ten are atheists and their only in the religious forumn to spread goodwill and cheer. Before you call anyone a liar consider this list. For a group of people who don't believe in God, the atheists sure have alot to say......Hmmmmmm......and cry foul about, have a nice day!
After seeing evidence gathered on the various paranormal investigation shows, like "Ghost Hunters" and "Ghost Adventures" I was once skeptical about anything after death, but have since reconsidered that idea. I don't think there is a heaven or hell, but I do think our energy carries on once our bodies no longer function.
This reminded me of an episode of "The young ones" where the hippy goes through the life cycle while planting seeds! The energy is converted as you know, matter just changes form, mind processes are nuclear/electric dependant. So lots of nice nourishment for "mother" earth, and our little nuclear power station stops producing electricity and the hard drive drops it's load.
proof is in the pudding. you want darkness and a end . then my friend i hope you get it . but there is no proof of that either. with me you wont get a proof of purchase . and that's because i cant be bought off by current caveman truths . i don't need or want to be right. and certainly don't plan on claiming fools gold .
Well friends it's time for a reconing! I went through this entire thread and added up all the not-so-nice comments posted and guess what? Atheists won the insult battle!(no surprise) I reviewed the comments and read the context of that particular conversation to determine if it was a true insult. Here are the results: 1.Cagsil-15 2.Earnestshub-8 3.peptalk-6 4.sneako-4 5.mark-3 6.Tie-pandora and Q-2 7.Hokey-1
Now heres the hard part, Lets add them up:
The no Gods-37
There is a God-4
This would sugest you're almost 10 times more likely to recieve an insult from an atheist! Now this only one religious thread but I'll bet it's pretty close to the average. Truth, what do you know about truth?
Facts always ruin a good story and the response is exactly as I expected. This is the reason I'm not serious about my posts so when you want substance from me adress the subject and the other Hubbers with respect. But if you can't it's ok, I don't mind snipeing.
Thank goodness for that! I So look forward to those times! You can't speak to the head of our household. She is in kinder at the moment probably introducing some new rules for her minders to obey! Please do not tell her!!! I am very very afraid of Asha!
Yes, there is an afterlife. It is in preparation of the life to come here on Earth through the Millenium and the great work in that era. That life will be preparatory to the Earth receiving it's full glory after the final battle. Eventually, upon our life portfolio, we will be brought into a degree of glory.
After the thousand years have ended Satan shall be loosed for a season to tempt mankind for one last time. It will be ruthless on his part. Then the final separating of the wheat from the tares will commence and they shall make war upon the virtuous after which the Earth shall be cleansed and brought back near to God. The Earth shall be the eternal abode for the righteous.
Yes, I think saved is a good illusion when the reality is that everyone has the ability to save themselves rather than having dependency on an unknown source. My reality is, when a religious person claims they have been saved, they have really been imprisoned.
Not really. Without understanding the imagery and symbolism contained in the scriptures one can easily get fearful and believe it's "in their time". There are still several things to take place before the said event is to occur. In fact, the beginnings have been taking place for some time, but there are items still to take place.
It's easy to deconvert to atheism because they are disappointed, hurt or because they have lost their faith due to God making sense. It's harder to suddenly make a rational atheists convert to Christianity, which is faith-based. How does it happen?
There is no afterlife, I believe that when we die that is it, and to be honest we are all in the same boat, so it doesn't bother me at all. The easter bunny would be a much more credible idea than a 'soul' floating up to an eternal world where everything is perfect forever.Is the thought that there...
Atheism only means the lack of a belief in God. Why is it so hard for Christians to realize that we dismiss their religion for the same reasons that they dismiss all other religions? It doesn't make us horrible people, immoral, or mean that we are going to hell. It just means that we think the...
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