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There is no way to be safe with religion. They are killing people all over the world as we speak there will be more than 30 religious wars going on, including heinous crimes against women and children for some god's sake!
What I get is that religionists can no longer see reality. I know this first hand, but I still allowed myself the "sin" of reading on psychology and other sources of information, not encouraged by religion. I soon found out why!
Golden is like most of our members caring, kind and sincere people who would help anyone. They would never intentionally offend anyone. It's a different mind set and way of life, So much of our time is spent helping others and praising Heavenly Father. We are firm believers in disaster prepardness and even have canning opperations for warehousing food for emergencies. We don't have paid clergy we are all volunteers and we all help with our meetings and Sunday school. We are all called to talk on a subject and to lead a prayer in our congregation. We never discuss politics or who you should we vote for, we vote our conscience, it's private and personal. We all do missionary work and home teach. The best way to discribe it is we try and lead by example. We all holler for honest politicians but when one ran he was attacked for his religion. The members of our church are good people and if you knew them you would love them.
Well I'm not real bright but if you have a guestion I can try and help or I know where I can find out.
Knowing where to find out is very smart. Henry Ford's key to success!
I believe Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and I believe we have a living prophet President Monson. I believe we follow the true church of Jesus and I believe that man established the other Christian churches and they broke from the church Jesus set up while he was on earth. I believe the book of Mormon to be another testament of Christ. I also believe there are some things I just don't understand or have the capacity to understand.
I am a convert and I have invested a lot of time and effort to learn everything I can. The thing I love the most about this church is the sincerity of the members. The more I learned The more amazed I became. The fact that money is not a factor and that the members prepare the message demonstrates there is no agenda, what they say is what they believe. They are everyday Christians, they are not Sunday Christians.
It's amazing all the activities the church sponsors and how strong the families are and the church is all about family. Most of the young men achive Eagle Scout before they finish high school and go on a two year mission before they get serious about college. On that mission they can only call home on Mothers day and Christmas. How many teenagers do you know who are that dedicated and disaplined? After I became a member I found out that countries highest security teams have a high percentage of members and they're selected for these position because of their integrity, honesty and dedication. If you were to pick a friend wouldn't those qualities mean alot to you?
Does that help? I hope so if you have more questions please ask!
Have you noticed that religion leads to the psychological position of "Devil in the corner?"
In psychology it is believed that the trinity is the best explanation of how to deal with this little problem!Just want to say sneako that you've annoyed the hell out of me on other religious threads, but I'm really impressed with your postings on this one. Kudos, sir!
This is great! The weather outside was not "quite" as cold and bitter. Just a few more weeks till Spring!
- SirDentposted 14 years ago
0 Nobody's going to die in a forum...
Well, maybe laughingLove you to. Keep listening as you might learn something. Also, keep laughing as it is good for you. It seems you do a lot of that. Keep it up. The tamperings of the host in here will not trump my personal conviction of understanding and tolerance.
You mentioned we cannot be friends. It is regretable. However, that was your choice and your words - never mine. You seem like a very likeable person. It would have been a pleasure to know you better.
Have a great day or evening where you are.LOL.!What a sense of humour !
I like that.
But I think you know, just like me, we can't be friends. Anyway, what's wrong with that ?
We could never agree on anything. And I don't see that as bad. It's a fact. So live with it !
I will come back and argue with you some other time, I'm sure !
Not really. See, the tempest is coming back to the thread as we speak. I would love to take your advice and move to another shore. Any shore would be better than Iowa right now. It's cold and snowy year. I could use a little sun on the beach right now.
Thanks for the advice though!
Still needing information from hubbers are we? Or is it all good now, and you can just keep on preaching.
Good to see your smiling face again. How the heck are ya, anyhow?
How's life in that beautiful country? We could sure use some of that sunny warm weather up here in Iowa.
It's always good to hear from you.It is nice and warm, but so dangerous here at this time. More bad fires are still expected, and we have just lost many people in the last one. In other parts of the country people are drowning in floods. This is a beautiful country, but dry and harsh too.
I love it here.We just imported/leased a huge fire fighting aircraft from America to add to an already large fleet of firefighting aircraft. I hope it saves lives. We often send firefighters to America too.
The volunteer fire fighters are a very large and old experienced lot. The professionals even better. Have to be!
The people of Australia are very broad in origin, but within a year or two, they join the infectious culture of lay-back. Even when working in a high pressure IT department I felt relaxed! We seem to work pretty fast but do not take on a lot of stress, it goes against the grain, and employers who don't get that only get a half assed effort from their employees! I like that, they soon learn to look after their people respectfully!
The other great thing about oz is that I have friends from just about any race or religious background you can name! I spent 40 odd years in my own businesses, and what with employees and customer have a wide and diverse bunch of unlikely friendships. Our family alone now has Greek, Chinese (PRC) English, Scottish, and spanish members, myself being from convict stock and caucasian.
In Australia no matter where you go in the city it is a smorgasbord of languages, colours and cultures, but we all seem to feel the same about the lifestyle.. "She'll be right mate" is still the catch cry, often meaning, nothing is too much trouble, I'll give you a hand. Like I said, I love this country.That is so cool! Now I've got to come down and join someone's barbeque for some socializing.
I think it's great to have a group of people of different backgrounds (I always call it goulash) living and surviving together and still proclaim that they love their country.
Convict descent? That sounds like there's a story in there or at least a hub.Great great great grandfather was exported forn Dorset for stealing 2 rabbit traps to feed his kids. It was the poor who were sent out here because England decided they did not want them.
There is still anti English feeling amongst some of the old families! Me? I am just so grateful to have had my life here.
I have travelled a fair bit, even been where you are, but this country has less problems than most.That's a very interesting story. As someone who cherishes family history it is exhilerating to read of such things. So I take it that there is not an extremely strong English presence in Australia? Curious how the English didn't want to deal with them so they just shipped them off to a place a thousand miles away. Looking back on it, many many years later, it was actually a good thing. As you've pointed out you love your country and am grateful for having grown up and lived there.
Coolness to the extreme!
I really would love to visit it sometime. My brother has been there several times on business and loves it. He says the people are awesome.
Sorry to hear of the fires and hardship. I have not watched the news in six years so I am not up to date except what I see in passing on the internet, newspapers or what people say.
A mighty man named Coriantumr had done some very wicked deeds for most of his life. He was a leader of his people. He was preached to, yet chose to reject such words. It wasn't until over two million of his people were slaughtered that he began the humbling process and remembered the words a prophet tried to impress upon his heart. Sometimes, for the stubborn, it's not until the brink of destruction that one "sees" the true damage of their own acts and words. Seeing the carnage of his people dead upon the landscape gave him pause and reflection. Though he felt responsible he took the step to humble himself. This was not the final battle.
He sent an epistle to the leader of the enemy who's name was Shiz. In the epistle was a heartfelt plea to end the conflict that both sides were hungry for. To end the conflict for the preservation of their race. This plea from a penitent man went unrealized and the war raged on with greater carnage. Imagine the landscape wreaking from the bodies of the dead. It's as if your entire being is being stripped away as you watch your people, lifestyle and history being cut asunder by the sword.
Pride led to the downfall of this entire race on both sides. The degradation of pride infiltrated the hearts of every last man, woman and child and led them to their death. Now, only in death, do they see the true nature of the "virus" of pride they entertained in life.
Whether we believe such things or not it is inevitable that the blind continuation of pride in these modern times will result in our own destruction. Not believers, not unbelievers, not male, not female and not for the man in the moon - but for all of us. I see it as well as taste it. There are a growing number of people exhibiting tolerance and understanding in their character. At the same time there are a growing number who's pride is currently being hardened and prevents peace and tolerance to the relief of their soul. It causes hate and anguish and much lost time in the gall of bitterness.
It is possible and more productive to hold a civil conversation about other things rather than religion for those with opposing views. We can be civil. Talk to me about your home or where you live. I'm truly interested! Talk to me about the interesting sites and geography where you live. I'm interested! If religion sticks to your craw then find other means of holding a civil conversation.
Life it too short to be clammering for gold and points for ourselves when all we will be is empty handed. Let us be as Coriantumr, who, at the end of his life, found humility and reached out for peace. Let us be as Shiz should have been. Accept a hand of friendship and stop the bloodshed.
As said before, we have the power, aptitude and intelligence to make corrections in how we view other people - religion aside. Let us not be as beasts of the field living solely off of animal instinct to feed and kill. Instead, let us clasp hands in friendship and cooperation as we struggle to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and aid the sick. This is far more productive and worthwhile.
Thank you for your time.They are a very interesting people. The children in their own bush environment are the happiest kids I have seen. Without any malice. The aboriginal people were without too many problems until we whites arrived and gave them diseases and forced them to do things differently. The worst thing we did was introduce them to alchohol for which they had a low tolerance, not having used it for hundreds of years as we have. It has devastated the health of these beautiful people and destroyed many lives.Life expectancy is a decade less than other Australians. It is a disgrace and I am ashamed of this aspect of my culture.
Once again the government is throwing billions at the problem. It will have little impact. I know these people, they just need their spiritual mother, and we have enough room to accommodate many of those spiritual lands in our economy, but no political will to do so, thus as we have a free vote, it is we Australians who must shoulder any blame.
I'll be the first to claim total ignorance as far as the aboriginese are concerned.
Are they completely without modernization or are there some who educated and even surf the internet?
To package my ignorance my only images of Australia are from the movies "Crocodile Dundee" and sadly enough I doubt they were even filmed there. Sad, huh? What are their living dwellings like? Tents? Wood or grass shacks?
We have several parliamentarians who are aboriginal, and many community leaders and elders as well.
Housing and other projects have failed despite millions going into it. Many aboriginals here are still hunter gatherers by choice. Whole aboriginal communities are Internet savvy and have facilities to surf.
Even some of my well educated upper middle class aboriginal friends have been known to quit their job to walk to a chosen place. We call it "Going walkabout"
I believe these people have been disconnected from their mother earth and it hurts their spirituality.
I have much time for aboriginals as a people, they have a lot of medical and other information that goes back a very long time, and our scientist are coming up with exciting new discoveries by learning what the aboriginals know about native plants.
Their knowledge of this land is phenomenal...I have little connection with Australia or aboriginal people, but I love their approach to life, nature and their environment (I have read somse stuff). If I could spend time with Aboriginees I would....maybe at some point in my life I will have that opportunity....hopefully
- Airfaires are cheap at the moment, just get used to an 18 hour flight!
I believe the best place to meet the aboriginal people is on their turf, in Northern Queensland on the cape, or in Arnhemland, NT. Without alcohol these people are wonderful. So many have diabetes from alcohol consumption in the cities and towns and even in the outback, but some peoples remain as they always were,and if you can sit under a tree with an elder for a day or two, you will learn and see the depth of the love they feel for the earth.
Thank you for taking an interest, and allowing me to tell you about this.I know very little about the issue, and assume that we have been able to adjust to alcohol (a poison after all) and not being users of alcohol until we arrived perhaps their bodies have not yet adapted to it?
I would like to know more about the Potawatomi I know too little about the American native people.
I recall Margolis in his great book on drugs described alcohol as a "5th rate depressant"A very sensible and logical idea!
How the hell ya gonna sell that here?
Yes they do receive sufficient benefits to live OK, it is just that we do not understand their spiritual needs nor encourage their culture as much as we could.They have in many cases lost heart, and money does not fix that.
- lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago0
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