Can anyone (Atheists) be 100% sure that mankind is the highest intelectruleing over the realm of ..LIFE.. on earth.
Is evolution smarter than we are? Is Evolution the ultimate authority.?? Or is kayos ?
I'd say we can be a hundred percent sure that we are all in deep do-do BECAUSE Man is the highest form of intelligence... because our form is not so, well, great, from what I can see
As for Kaos, that one song was good, but otherwise...
And, no, evolution is not smarter than, ahem, *us*. That's just silly
I hope not ! If it's the highest, that would mean that God exists. A terrible second rate god.
On planet Earth man is the highest intelligent being.
In all existence God is the highest, but all He has He Gave to His sons.
Therefore the Sons of God have the intelligence of their Father.
Now He the Father is infinitely Growing and so are the Sons, nevertheless since the Father is a combination of the growth of all the sons He will forever be ahead.
@ kess ... I agree with what you said
And apologize for not seeing your comment and responding sooner.
Been working way too much lately.
And didn't express in original statement what was intended.
I think I expressed my intent a little better in a later response.
Everyone should be 100% sure of their beliefs before we lead others away from their own.. A certain amount of accountability comes with changing others beliefs,.. I think.
Evolution isn't a biological entity so it cannot be 'smart'.
Ultimate authority in what? How can either biological evolution or chaos be an authority in anything?
Ohhhh chaos? I thought it was something I didn't know about.
Me too... Not really ... Caint give up... or should I?
If I had spelled Chaos correctly two coments would not have been made. even though you knew what I intended to say this is the best answer that I get?
I honestly thought it was something new I had never heard of. And although I did post a comment, it had nothing to do with the topic. Not a benefit to this thread at all. (Other than for clarification purposes of course)
Its not a good question. Sorry, but it just isn't. To me there really isn't 100% anything.
somebody must know everything, Cole...(whispers) somebody must...
good response, Jerami.
Hope you're doing well tonight.
.....now I'm exiting thread 'cause I'm not atheist; a "theist" on some level perhaps, but not atheist.
Here's a more straightforward answer.
No we cannot be 100% sure of that. Unless you mean, among all animals. Even then, an argument could perhaps be made that dolphins are smarter, but I suspect a brain biologist would make mincemeat of that (if you'll pardon the expression)... It is hard to imagine a creature that does not have language (by which I mean English, Chinese, or what have you) being more intelligent than the most intelligent of us.
Evolution is not an authority at all, as far as I can see. First of all, things like plate tectonics, geological processes, the power of the sea, an asteroid hitting the earth, could in a sense be said to be more "powerful" than evolution. Second, man and animals both act upon their environments, so random nature, or genetic hereditaty processes are not the only "powers" that can act.
No, everything is not chaos. But some things are, in my opinion.
And of course, strictly speaking, there could be a God, Brahma, Great Spirit, or something, I guess
Yes little white mice rule the world which is nothing more than a computer designed to work out the meaning of 42, but unfortunatley got blown up by the Vogons to make way for a hyperspace by-pass. It's all in the book.
Thank you for your streight forward answer.
My thoughts exactly. We can not be 100% sure of anything.
I suspect that mud is smarter than some people! Most animals seem smarter and behave better than many people, and according to "The hitch hiker's Guide to the Galaxy" mice are really running the world, having examined us thoroughly for many aeons.
Well, it wasn't just the mice that vacated the earth at the last minute, if I recall, thanking us for all the fish and so on
Speaking of what you just wrote, Earnesthub, and speaking also of Buddhism, I saw a video this weekend of the Dalai Lama, in which he said exactly that he does not think you have to be religious to be moral, and he illustrated the point by talking about "kind," goodnatured animals (cats, dogs, etc), versus aggressive or mean ones (given they obviously do not follow a religion)!
I have enjoyed a lot of what he has said over the years.
I am sorry I missed the video.
The bad ones go to puppy hell. I keep telling my dog that.
I am 100% sure this thread is pointless. Sorry Jeremy. The voices told me to do it. (to the side)What God? Ok. I am coming....
I always liked that show where Tom Selleck does the voice
If a person is not 100% sure that they are right.
If there is a 10% chance that we are wrong.. then why do some people want so hard for everyone else to follow them down whatever road that they are on.
That would be a whole lot of responsibility for a lot of people, if we are 10% correct and 90% wrong.
If I am not 100% sure that there is not a rattlesnake in the doll house I would not send My grandaughter in there to look for one.
If I am not 100% sure that I know the correct direction to the car, when everyone else is lost in the woods; I would not insist that everyone follow me to the car.
When anyone converts someone else to their way of thinking; they should be 100% sure that they are right. Cause if you are wrong?? It is your fault when "They" don't find their way home.
That is all that I want anyone to think about.
And, you base this assumption that people are not 100% correct in what they know.
There ya go saying I said something that I didn't say..
If the shoe fits wear it...
I ask a question.... that is all.
Then I said "IF" ...
Just goes to show that "IF" Ya caint see past your own beliefs you can see little.
Can ya imagine ?? ...the things that ..YOU ..by your actions become accountable for?
And I don't expect or desire this thread to live long...
I just wanted a couple of people to think about IT.
You are responsible for those that you influence.
On what planet am I responsible for what actions others take.
Under no circumstances is anyone one individual responsible for the actions of another.
Influence is irrelevant, when it comes to ignorance. If someone is ignorant enough to follow someone else, because they cannot themselves figure out the problem, then they must be willing to accept the consequences of their own ignorance.
The influence others have, STOPS at the rational and sane thought process required to make an informed decision. Should someone go ahead and follow the influence, they themselves are held accountable for their action.
No blame goes anywhere else except upon the individual who made the single uninformed decision.
I would have to disagree. Yes , when people make a choice that inevitably harms them, they are responsible for their choices
But when any strong minded people (Intelligence unimportant) hunts down and persuades week minded people to follow them; that leader is ultimately responsible for the well being his followers.
Whether we are talking about Jim Jones, you or myself. We share responsibility for the misfortune of those that we lead.
And if you do not understand this...
As you say... DUH !
You just contradicted yourself.
But in a way I agree with you. I wouldn't call it a responsibility, but perhaps an ethical choice to look out for each other. Maybe that's why we speak up.
If I'm not 100% certain that someone's foolish behavior is going to hurt themselves or someone else, but I think it's highly likely, I feel that I need to speak up.
I'm 100% sure that there is no "God"....at least in the "biblical" sense. I'm also 100% sure that evolution is not 100% accurate, (a few holes need to be filled). So what does that leave us?
It leaves us with a few holes to be filled.. No problem, it is coming together slowly but surely. We will know a lot more in the next few months from several fronts, maybe filling a few more holes.
LOL earnest...good to see ya again bud! I here ya, but even science is now wondering if something drastic didn't happen to explain the genetic jump about 250K years ago. Not that they are (nor am I) suggesting the whole God thing by any means. Some sort of huge genetic manipulation occurred though that simply can't as of yet be explained by evolution alone.
I agree, and more controversy to come soon over many other mistakes and screw ups. Still a long way ahead of belief in any psychotic fairy though!
We see gaps, they see God. Both are getting smaller by the year.
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