Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican

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   Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years ago

   Do you believe in exorcisms or that people can be possessed by demons and the devil?
   
   After reading a few hubs about paranormal behavior and watching Paranormal Activity for the first time; I thought of the first time I watched the Exorcist when I was 7 years old and became quite interested in exorcisms.
   
   From my research on occasions for the past several years, exorcists state that when people are possessed by demons and/or the devil they become extremely strong, can speak multiple languages, and can spit up various objects such as nails, pieces of glass, finger-length pieces of iron, and rose petals.
   
   Below is a link to an article I read yesterday about the Vatican chief exorcist who believes the devil has infiltrated the Vatican church. He also talks a little about possessed people. His favorite movie of all-time is the Exorcist and he stated that it is similar to real-life exorcisms but in an exaggerated fashion.
   
   
   http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen … 056689.ece
   
   Also below is a video for part of a "real life exorcism." Starts at 2:20 of the video.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr8oJqpwZz4
   
   Also is a link to some brief audio for the exorcism of Anneliese Michel who several people afterwards believed was not possessed.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4n9vK0_mdk
   
   So what do you think?

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      StormRyderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      I found and listned to of this along time ago, it was very disturbing to me....I can't listen to it again , some people know why...I'll just leave it at that.

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         Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Yes indeed. I understand, it's very disturbing.
         
         However, the first exorcism video is of an Italian girl. It is not that bad since the girl just screams and shouts out a few insults before answering the question, does the devil exist?
         
         She or the demon/devil states something similar to this: "Yes I exist everywhere from evil, wars, and so on."

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      (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Insanity starts at the Vatican.

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      cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      i had a dog that did that
      
      and no i don't believe in demonic possession.

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      LeslieAdrienneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, demon possession is real....

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   tantrumposted 15 years ago

   what I think ???
   
   This
   

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   Hokeyposted 15 years ago

   The vatican is the devil. Just what I think.

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   Jared in Vegasposted 15 years ago

   That's not a very nice thing to call the pope.

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      Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      

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   Daniel Carterposted 15 years ago

   The Devil: Everywhere you want to go.
   
   The Vatican is an especially pleasant place to visit the Devil. So are the religion forums.

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      AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I concur!

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   Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years ago

   Nice. I am not Catholic but think that people can get possessed by the devil or demons.

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      Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      possession is nine-tenths of the law (...of sin & death that is).

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   cosetteposted 15 years ago

   well, it seems to me that if demonic possession were realistic, there would be some sort of legal defense on the books for crimes people commit while possessed, sort of like the insanity clause, only it would be called 'not guilty by reason of demonic possession'. interesting topic though...

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      Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      From what I read and I'm not an expert, so called experts have stated that people who are possessed prefer to live alone, not around other people, and often harm themselves to a point that can result in death.
      
      They stated that the people who tend to get possessed or the ones who invite the evil spirits via witchcraft, Ouija boards, devil worshipers, drug addicts, people who are depressed from a traumatic event or who is just really angry or hateful because of something, and so on.
      
      I met a Protestant priest at a large church event (I'm not a Protestant) years ago and I asked him if he ever witnessed exorcisms. He stated yes he did in the NY area. I asked if I can witness one and he stated no because the evil spirit could enter me during the process. Likewise, they only wanted trained professionals around during these events.

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         tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Yes !! you should take care !!

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            Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            What did you think of the YouTube videos? They have a longer audio version for Anneliese Michel which eventually led to the movie loosely based on the Anneliese exorcism, the Exorcism of Emily Rose.

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               tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I think it's all hysterics.

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                  Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Did you watch and listen to the entire videos?

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         cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         
         
         
         so, these dark spirits are just sort of hovering about waiting to get inside people? don't they get bored doing that? why do they possess people? i mean if i was going to take over someone's body, i would do all kinds of stuff i couldn't get blamed for like kill someone i hated or rob a bunch of banks or something...

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            Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            For people to do evil things and convince others to do the same. Like the Vatican exorcist mentioned, the devil can remain hidden in a person and do not show himself like he does in some people who are eventual participants in exorcisms.

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               cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               hmm
               
               then i would think they would possess very powerful people, like the President or the President of the Russian Federation, then make them start WWIII. i mean, if i were Satan commandeering an army of demons to make people do evil things, that makes sense...

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                  AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  

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                  Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  This Vatican priest believed that Hitler and Stalin were possessed by the Devil.
                  
                  "In the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were possessed by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned that J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels made a "false distinction between black and white magic".
                  
                  Or the Devil can hide in religious priests and so on and influence people this way as well. Sort of what this Vatican priest is mentioning in the article. He believes that some of the bishops are linked to the demon.

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                     (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Just curious, I'm wondering if you actually don't think those clowns at the Vatican are insane?

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                  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, IF they exist, I think that's exactly what they would do. Hence this priest letting us know that the devil is in the Vatican.
                  
                  ETA: BTW, strangely enough--WWIII is exactly where *I think* we're heading.

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                     Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Or also in cult leaders like David Koresh.

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            TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            IF demons exist, they have no need for human money..and they hate all people. Going on a killing spree IS reported to be possible, and supposed "possessions" can often result in the death of the possessed. Supposedly they ARE bored and rather angry, and this is a way of screwing around. Remember--according to the story, they're STUCK here.
            
            Of course, I don't know what the heck's going on with it...I just think it's a fascinating subject.

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         earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Trained professionals? Don't you mean loonies?

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         (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Experts in what?
         
         
         
         So, you don't think that's utterly ridiculous?
         
         
         
         Or most likely, just like the snakeoil salesman doesn't want you to see what's really going on behind the curtain.
         
         
         
         Trained professionals? Charlatans and hoaxers, you mean.

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      actually they had laws like those on the books way back when... somewhere in Salem I believe...   

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   TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago

   Well, OF COURSE Satan is in the Vatican I'm just surprised someone had the guts to say it! He's been there from the beginning!! hahaha

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      Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I've been saying it since I got here....
      Makes the christians mad ....
      .....And then I make the other side mad cause I say "The bible says so.

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         TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Well, God, the Bible, and religion (particularly Catholicism) have all gotten tied up in a knot. Some people find it difficult to accept that each one of them is, indeed, a different thing from the others. It leads to a lot of confusion and unnecessary assumptions. In my humble opinion.
         
         I suspect we share similar opinions on the reality of religion in the world today.

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            Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            A lot of people think that, till they get to know me.
            
              I kinda agree with everyone .. but then ???  there's always something that I'm always a little off track with.

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               TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Hm. I certainly don't agree with everyone. Some things either are or are not, in my experience.
               
               However, if you agree that Satan's been in the Vatican from the beginning, then you know what the Vatican is, and we agree...at least on that.

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                  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  If you believe that vatican city is... then all ya gotta do is to figure backwards with a timeline of a day = a year and see where you arrive at in time.
                  
                     Try it with a day  approx 1.3 days or a week = 9.1 to 9.2 years  and see where ya end up at.
                     One of my hubs explain how I come to that equation.
                  Or ask me?
                  
                     Any way I certainly do agree about vatican city.

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                  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I posted a minute ago and when I try to get on this page it does not exist 
                    doing this to see if I get this page back back

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               Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Me too. Everyone's got a little piece of wisdom.

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   cosetteposted 15 years ago

   

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    The good Father Gabriele Amorth should be in a padded cell.

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       Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       What do you think of the YouTube video by ABC 20/20 of this American family?
       
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC5O2jS3P64

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    Alya roseposted 15 years ago

    I agree.In historical mythology demons were bringers of light and guidance until people need to scare others to behave.

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    SirDentposted 15 years ago

    Give the Devil a gun and he can do nothing with it him self. Give him a person and he can do lots of harm.

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    saltposted 15 years ago

    Interesting comment, I work with energy a fair bit and sensed a vibration when I read what you wrote. A lot of religion can project good and evil, angelic and demonic.. yet I sensed that there is a vibration there that is bringing up alot from various eras.
    
    I am not catholic and respect and honour those who really do hold a genuine faith and spirit. I find the catholic church a bit of a double edged sword at times. I prefer to believe in faith and spirit and love and peace and kindness.
    
    And I do thank those who really do work with the love of christ as I have had moments when I have felt genuinely cleared of negativity or mean thoughts towards others.
    
    So do I believe in exorcism - I think in some contexts I do. There are times when I have felt threatened physically and mentally and have used prayer to get through. I like it when I remember to pray when things are good. To thank and be grateful.
    
    Is the devil in the Vatican? Is it a reflection of current thinking and living?

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    Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years ago

    Does it seems scary that the sounds and screams from these three "possessed" people are somewhat similar?

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    TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago

    Is anyone else experiencing difficulty seeing the posts on this thread?

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    It is possessed !!

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    Possessed! possessed !!
    

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    TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago

    Grrr... I don't know what's going on, but I cannot see any posts on this thread after mine that says "I don't agree with everyone." Perhaps it will be straightened out later.

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       Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I can see all of the posts TheGlassSpider. Did you watch all three videos?

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    Tom Cornettposted 15 years ago

    Satan isn't at the Vatican...he's in Vegas! 

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    I only can see the posts trough black magic !

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    I'm going to post again and see if I can get on 2nd page 
    says it don't exist I can't get on this page?? maybe tomorrow...

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       Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I'm still on the first page. Let's see if this gets to the second page.

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    Pandoras Boxposted 15 years ago

    Well, most people anyway.

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    Pandoras Boxposted 15 years ago

    Okay the truth is that I'm just posting little nonsenses to get the thread to turn to the third page to see if that solves the problem some people have reported on this thread or just makes the problem worse.
    
    (Psss - I think it's a vatican conspiracy.)

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       Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe these pictures can help.
       
       
       
       
       
       You know Roman Catholics are not the only ones who participate in Exorcisms.

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          earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          True. Ninth-rate movies do too!

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    Yea ..... I once was blind and now I see.

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    Pandoras Boxposted 15 years ago

    This should be post number 61, but it will say only 45 posts after I post it.

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    I know everyone has heard this before
    
    
         " ITS   BACK"

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    Kenrick Chatmanposted 15 years ago

    Here is another interesting video titled "Exorcism of Demons is Alive and Well in Rome!"
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkbL4xpzuk
    
    Video is provided by the Christian Broadcasting Network and at the end the guy talked about a lady who started slithering on the floor of a church and sticking her tongue in and out like a snake. Likewise, an exorcism was performed on her.

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    "Chief exorcist" really says it all!

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    hello

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    saltposted 15 years ago

    I was trying to be tactful in my answer so as not to upset anyones religious beliefs. Do I believe exorcisms can work.. yes. Do I think demonology can be a creation of the church... and beliefs.. yes.
    Do I believe in Satan? Umm not so sure,
    
    Have I ever experienced spirits, entities or beings present? yes.
    
    Have I seen people described as mentally ill affected by spirits, thoughtforms or events? yes...
    
    So, my answer is in faith. To experience, to learn and to ask for guidance. Send love not hate and learn..
    
    Have I felt energetically or percieved things of beauty and higher consciousness that I cannot explain in the 3 dimensional relm? Yes.

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    lilly_densposted 15 years ago

    wow that's a serious accusation to the Vatican from a priest that's also part of the foundation. But maybe there is some truth about what he said, the devil makes no exception on who he wants to use to gain what he wants.

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