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   paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Belief in Angels is second article of faith in Islam.
   
   There are six main Articles of faith in Islam :
   
   To believe in the Oneness of Allah.
   To believe in all His Angels.
   To believe in all His Books.
   To believe in all His Prophets.
   To believe in the Day of Resurrection.
   To believe in the Decree of Allah
   
   
   The existence of angels is a universally accepted doctrine in different countries and different religions. However, they are sometimes discussed under other titles, the distinction being only one of nomenclature. Similarly, the nature of angels is understood differently among the followers of different religions. Islam speaks of angels as celestial beings of a spiritual nature who have their own entity as persons. The major role they play is the transmission of messages from God to human beings. But they are misunderstood by many, even within Islam, as having human shape or some shape and form, which in fact is an inseparable idea from that of material existence. Matter must have shape and a well defined boundary. But spirit lies beyond the five dimensions of man's understanding. One can only believe in the existence of spirit if he is a religious person; otherwise it is beyond his reach to conceive the shape and form of spirits. Perhaps to resolve this problem and to make it easier for man to visualise angels, they are sometimes mentioned in religious books as appearing to holy people in the form of human beings. Not only that; they are also known to have appeared to some messengers of God in the form of certain birds. The Holy Ghost appeared to Jesus in the form of a dove:
   
   As soon as Jesus was baptised, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. (Matthew 3:16)
   
   These various references found in religious books were perhaps largely responsible for the misperceptions about the form and nature of angels prevailing among the adherents of various religions. Out of angels, in some religions, deyotas and gods were created, while the original books may have only mentioned them as agencies specifically created by God for performing certain tasks in the universe; of this we have ample evidence in many divine books. So, it is not unlikely that some people misunderstand the significance of these statements and start treating angels as junior partners of God.
   
   Angels do whatever they are commanded to do by the Creator- God Allah YHWH; they cannot disobey.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/angels.html
   
   Thanks
   
   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The angels who didn't follow Satan when he fell do God's bidding, yes.  Not Allah's.
      
      There's a book called "Angels Among Us, Separating Truth from Fiction" or "Fact" from fiction......authored by Ron Rhodes.
      
      It has a lot of great info about the nature of angels according to the Word of God.

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   TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago

   Good day, paar. Are your ears burning? Everyone's still talking in the other thread.

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      paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      What do they talk?
      
      Thanks

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         TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         They say they are tired of seeing your signature line, and some people say it's offensive. Other people have said insulting things that I'd rather not repeat. Some people seem to want to be angry at you for things they perceive that the Muslim community has done.
         
         All a bunch of nonsense really.

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            paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Can't they mention the religion and the denomination they believe in? What is wrong with that?
            
            Regards

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               TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Well...Hmm...typically speaking, most people don't announce their faith when speaking with others (this is from a Western perspective). It seems that people get generally uncomfortable with such things. *shrug*
               
               But I don't see that there's anything wrong with it, really. Other people have other opinions of course. But I didn't even know what the Ahmadi Muslims were until you came along...so I learned something. That's always cool. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

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   Beelzedadposted 15 years ago

   So, how did the angel Gabriel appear to Muhammad?

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   But - stealing is acceptable in Islam though? This was stolen from here:
   
   http://www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/angels.html
   
   It is clearly marked thus:
   
   Copyright © by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community 1995-2010. All rights reserved.
   
   Usmanali - you are just persuading us that you are a thief.

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      paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for pointing out; I missed to mention it.
      
      My mistake and apopologies.
      
      Regards

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         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You misunderstood - you have no right to reproduce this and are a  thief regardless of teh link
         
         "All rights reserved"
         
         Cut off your hands now.

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            TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Mark...I wish I could reproduce how that sounded in my head...Sort of Terminator-y. Imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp? sorry) saying it....LOL.

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      libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL! A thief amongst us! I think Paar is following Muhammad's ways!

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   Greek Oneposted 15 years ago

   Since we are on the subject of angels...
   
   

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   TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago

   What is "Usmanali"?

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      Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Paarsurrey.

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         TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         LOL...I understand that it's been used in relation to that person...what I'm asking is does that word have a definition or is it a name, or what?

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   myownworldposted 15 years ago

   ok. Parrsurrey, I have to ask: what's the secret to all your energy?!  I mean, starting threads 24/7....and to be able to repeat and repeat AND repeat your arguments over and over again.... I mean, you have to tell us please? Do you eat/sleep/ do anything else? I'm genuinely intrigued now...

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      Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      ???????????

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         myownworldposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         *disclaimer: I'm a peaceful hubber who just enjoys a laugh now and then!

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      Obscure Divineposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Paarsurrey is not only suffering from a seminal impediment, he/she may also need some pork & alcohol in its life!!!!  Hence forth, the endless forum posts of poppycock......

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         IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         ditto that.

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         myownworldposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Noooo way...! you didn't just put sex, wine and 'haram' all in one post! This would kill the poor guy....

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            Obscure Divineposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL!

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   Rishy Richposted 15 years ago

   Just to let you guys know what Ahmadi Sect is about:
   
   Founder
   Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founded the movement on 23 March 1889. Ahmadis consider themselves Muslims and claim to practice Islam in its pristine form; however, most mainstream Muslims do not consider Ahmadis to be Muslims
   
   Believe
   Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Promised Messiah and Mahdi...Ahmadis believe that Jesus died in Kashmir of old age whilst seeking the Lost Tribes of Israel. Jesus’ remains are believed to be entombed in Kashmir under the name Yuz Asaf. They also believe that Jesus foretold the coming of Muhammad and Muhammad foretold the coming of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. However, mainstream Muslims consider him an apostate and believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was one of the 30 false claimants to prophethood
   
   World wide scenario
   
   Pakistan
   
   Pakistan has 4 million Ahmadis [58] and is the only state to have officially declared the Ahmadis to be non-Muslims
   
   India
   
   In India, Ahmadis are considered to be Muslims but they are not allowed to sit on the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, a body of religious leaders India's government recognises as representative of Indian Muslims
   
   Indonesia
   
   In 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against the Ahmadiyya movement. Public opinion in Indonesia is split in different ways on how Ahmadiyya should be treated. Most hold it should be banned outright on the basis that it is a heretical and deviant sect that is not listed as an officially recognised religion in Indonesia
   
   IF you google Jesus (1835-1908), you will learn that Mirza was the only person who has claimed to be both, the promised return of Jesus as well as the promised Mahdi.
   
   
   Islamic tradition has a prophecy of the Mahdi, who will come alongside the return of Isa (Jesus). Heres a short list of people claiming to be the Mahdi: Muhammad Jaunpuri (1443-1505), Báb (1819-1850), Muhammad Ahmad ("The Mad Mahdi") (1844-1885), Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan (1864-1920), Rashad Khalifa (1935-1990), Juhayman al-Otaibi etc.

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      Rishy Richposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      And dont forget to check Mirza Ghulam Ahmads pics... you will be shocked to see the similarities

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         paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend
         
         Pictures of a person are always similiar.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago

   I wonder which is more important:
   
   How one considers oneself (how one identifies oneself), or how other people define you? Or is it a matter of either/or...what happens when there is conflict?
   
   Hmm. So many things to think about today.

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    myownworldposted 15 years ago

    paarsurrey: agar tusee punjabi jaantey ho...to bhaai yay threads banaanein chore dein please!!.. hum per reham karien ...sab apaka mazaak urrah rahein hain...!
    
    * that's a HUGE request in a language hopefully he'll understand...

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       paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend myownworld
       
       Bibi gulbath aur behs wich eh te hunda eay; inan nu muzaq nain karna chaida; eh sanjeeda batcheet eh. Mera baba guru nanak nal bura piyar eh. wahe-guru allahu akbar
       
       I have tolerance for them; they are my friends and brothers. I don't mind.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          myownworldposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          aw...parr bhai...aap ka dil acha hai....jeasay aap kush rahein...
          
          
          * you're  too kind hearted; ok. am giving up...stay happy

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             Rishy Richposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Dil ka achcha hai...magar Dimag ka nahin
             
             lol

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       Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hey.. my best friends are Punjabi... I'm pretty sure you are asking him out on a date, aren't you?
       
       Sasrikal Looooooooooooooooooooooove!!

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          myownworldposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          
          
          Ah...Greek god....how did u know?? Nah... too much religious zeal for my liking....!

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             Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I'm not a theologian or anything, but I'm pretty sure Guru Nanak would kick someone's arse

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                myownworldposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                yep. the disciple is far too tolerant I'm sure... it's actually killing me!
                
                * hangs head low with shame at her lowly thoughts...

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                   Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   As I used to tell my former Sikh girlfriend “just make me some butter chicken and all will be well”

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                Obscure Divineposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I can't help but notice, you are all about the "arse."  Hmm, now what is all this punjabba/puntane/pudding talk?

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                   Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   you know, I AM Greek

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                      Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      I hope so...

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                         Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         by ethnic background and social interaction

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                            Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Yeah, by the force of pattern recognition and social satisfaction...the arse gave light upon thee?

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                               Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               not really 'light' that comes out

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                                  Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                  ...fire, at times.  I mentioned 'light' so you could see...   

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                                     Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                     safe to say the other 3 elements too

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                                        Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                        Yes, we all came from one fireball of unified ass; agreed!  Ha-ha! 

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                                           Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                           Is that like Uranus?

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                                        Obscure Divineposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                        Praise be Uranus, the most common planet known to man.
                                        Damn, that's an old joke I heard from the movie "E.T." at age 5.
                                        At any rate, "Greek One" is firebombing ancient ass upon the inhabitants of his mythical arse invaders; how nice. 

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                                           Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                           

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                      paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Hi friend Greek One
                      
                      I understand that Alexander the Great took some families to his homeland; so many punjabi words are mixed up in that area of Europe.
                      
                      Thanks
                      
                      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                         Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         he maybe did.. but I picked it up from my Indian girlfriends

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          skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          
          
          ROFL.... OMG...

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             myownworldposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             why, u think I'm not good enough for him?? Even with my best butter chicken recipe??

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                skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                

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                Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                samosas also have a way of bringing people together...
                
                but i find kulfi far too phalic, especially when surved alongside gulab jamun

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                   myownworldposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   yikes! I'm done with indian food!
                   
                   some greek salad please.....
                   
                   edit: on second thoughts, noo please don't ruin that salad...!

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                      Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      yeah.. souvlaki isnt phalic lol

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                         myownworldposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         damit too late! I knew it.....

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    skyfireposted 15 years ago

    

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    skyfireposted 15 years ago

    @Paarsurrey, two questions:
    
    
    1. What paarsurrey means ?
    2. By any remote chance you posted info about this tomb of jesus ?
    
    http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php?op … ;Itemid=58

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       paarsurreyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend skyfire
       
       I think I did not post it here.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    skyfireposted 15 years ago

    Anyone tried this search engine ? if you enter name of any holloywood celeb or model you'll get haram level of 3. No wonder this search engine went down to maintenance. LOL
    
    

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    paarsurreyposted 15 years ago

    THE BELIEF IN THE ANGELS
    
    The Creator -God Allah YHWH controls the Universe through Angels; who obey His commands.
    
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       elringtonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Angels are angels. They serve us all no matter creed, colour or country. Religous boundries are 'man-made', and therefore obselete in the eyes of the greater beings. I'm sure they'd be disappointed if we started (yet again) wars be they physical or on blogs about petty divides. They're here to help us all... Just embrace it and love it.

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    jess91556posted 14 years ago

    Angels were created at the dawn of the creation of the material universe. Hence they are referred to as morning stars.They were created by groups, each assigned certain task. There are nine groups of angels in the spirit world namely, Archangels, Angels,Thrones,Principalities,Powers,Virtues,Dominations, Cherubims, and Seraphim's. A great number of them fell with Lucifer  and were cast down upon the earth. These are the evil spirits in the realm of darkness.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend jess91556
       
       Please quote your source and the authenticity of your source for our benefit.
       
       Thanks
       
       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    Kively2009posted 14 years ago

    Hi I feel that Angels etc are around us no matter where we are. that is my 2 worth bobs in!

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