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THE BELIEF IN THE

  1. profile image59
    paarsurreyposted 8 years ago

    Hi friends

    Belief in Angels is second article of faith in Islam.

    There are six main Articles of faith in Islam :

    To believe in the Oneness of Allah.
    To believe in all His Angels.
    To believe in all His Books.
    To believe in all His Prophets.
    To believe in the Day of Resurrection.
    To believe in the Decree of Allah


    The existence of angels is a universally accepted doctrine in different countries and different religions. However, they are sometimes discussed under other titles, the distinction being only one of nomenclature. Similarly, the nature of angels is understood differently among the followers of different religions. Islam speaks of angels as celestial beings of a spiritual nature who have their own entity as persons. The major role they play is the transmission of messages from God to human beings. But they are misunderstood by many, even within Islam, as having human shape or some shape and form, which in fact is an inseparable idea from that of material existence. Matter must have shape and a well defined boundary. But spirit lies beyond the five dimensions of man's understanding. One can only believe in the existence of spirit if he is a religious person; otherwise it is beyond his reach to conceive the shape and form of spirits. Perhaps to resolve this problem and to make it easier for man to visualise angels, they are sometimes mentioned in religious books as appearing to holy people in the form of human beings. Not only that; they are also known to have appeared to some messengers of God in the form of certain birds. The Holy Ghost appeared to Jesus in the form of a dove:

    As soon as Jesus was baptised, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. (Matthew 3:16)

    These various references found in religious books were perhaps largely responsible for the misperceptions about the form and nature of angels prevailing among the adherents of various religions. Out of angels, in some religions, deyotas and gods were created, while the original books may have only mentioned them as agencies specifically created by God for performing certain tasks in the universe; of this we have ample evidence in many divine books. So, it is not unlikely that some people misunderstand the significance of these statements and start treating angels as junior partners of God.

    Angels do whatever they are commanded to do by the Creator- God Allah YHWH; they cannot disobey.

    http://www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/angels.html

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

    1. profile image0
      Brenda Durhamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The angels who didn't follow Satan when he fell do God's bidding, yes.  Not Allah's.

      There's a book called "Angels Among Us, Separating Truth from Fiction" or "Fact" from fiction......authored by Ron Rhodes.

      It has a lot of great info about the nature of angels according to the Word of God.

  2. TheGlassSpider profile image71
    TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years ago

    Good day, paar. Are your ears burning? Everyone's still talking in the other thread.

    1. profile image59
      paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What do they talk?

      Thanks

      1. TheGlassSpider profile image71
        TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        They say they are tired of seeing your signature line, and some people say it's offensive. Other people have said insulting things that I'd rather not repeat. Some people seem to want to be angry at you for things they perceive that the Muslim community has done.

        All a bunch of nonsense really.

        1. profile image59
          paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Can't they mention the religion and the denomination they believe in? What is wrong with that?

          Regards

          1. TheGlassSpider profile image71
            TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Well...Hmm...typically speaking, most people don't announce their faith when speaking with others (this is from a Western perspective). It seems that people get generally uncomfortable with such things. *shrug*

            But I don't see that there's anything wrong with it, really. Other people have other opinions of course. But I didn't even know what the Ahmadi Muslims were until you came along...so I learned something. That's always cool. I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

  3. Beelzedad profile image55
    Beelzedadposted 8 years ago

    So, how did the angel Gabriel appear to Muhammad?

  4. Mark Knowles profile image59
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    But - stealing is acceptable in Islam though? This was stolen from here:

    http://www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/angels.html

    It is clearly marked thus:

    Copyright © by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community 1995-2010. All rights reserved.

    Usmanali - you are just persuading us that you are a thief. wink

    1. profile image59
      paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for pointing out; I missed to mention it.

      My mistake and apopologies.

      Regards

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        You misunderstood - you have no right to reproduce this and are a  thief regardless of teh link

        "All rights reserved"

        Cut off your hands now.

        1. TheGlassSpider profile image71
          TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Mark...I wish I could reproduce how that sounded in my head...Sort of Terminator-y. Imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp? sorry) saying it....LOL.

    2. libby101a profile image60
      libby101aposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      LOL! A thief amongst us! I think Paar is following Muhammad's ways!

  5. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 8 years ago

    Since we are on the subject of angels...

    http://redriverautographs.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/charlies-angels-photo-xl-charlies-angels-6233610.jpg

  6. TheGlassSpider profile image71
    TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years ago

    What is "Usmanali"?

    1. Beelzedad profile image55
      Beelzedadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Paarsurrey. smile

      1. TheGlassSpider profile image71
        TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        LOL...I understand that it's been used in relation to that person...what I'm asking is does that word have a definition or is it a name, or what?

  7. myownworld profile image78
    myownworldposted 8 years ago

    ok. Parrsurrey, I have to ask: what's the secret to all your energy?!  I mean, starting threads 24/7....and to be able to repeat and repeat AND repeat your arguments over and over again.... I mean, you have to tell us please? Do you eat/sleep/ do anything else? I'm genuinely intrigued now...

    1. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      http://doctorsfromthefuture.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bayer_heroin_bottle.jpg

      ???????????

      1. myownworld profile image78
        myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        lol lol

        *disclaimer: I'm a peaceful hubber who just enjoys a laugh now and then!

    2. Obscure Divine profile image54
      Obscure Divineposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Paarsurrey is not only suffering from a seminal impediment, he/she may also need some pork & alcohol in its life!!!!  Hence forth, the endless forum posts of poppycock......

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        ditto that.

      2. myownworld profile image78
        myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Noooo way...! you didn't just put sex, wine and 'haram' all in one post! This would kill the poor guy....

        1. Obscure Divine profile image54
          Obscure Divineposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  LOL!

  8. Rishy Rich profile image74
    Rishy Richposted 8 years ago

    Just to let you guys know what Ahmadi Sect is about:

    Founder
    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founded the movement on 23 March 1889. Ahmadis consider themselves Muslims and claim to practice Islam in its pristine form; however, most mainstream Muslims do not consider Ahmadis to be Muslims

    Believe
    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Promised Messiah and Mahdi...Ahmadis believe that Jesus died in Kashmir of old age whilst seeking the Lost Tribes of Israel. Jesus’ remains are believed to be entombed in Kashmir under the name Yuz Asaf. They also believe that Jesus foretold the coming of Muhammad and Muhammad foretold the coming of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. However, mainstream Muslims consider him an apostate and believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was one of the 30 false claimants to prophethood

    World wide scenario

    Pakistan

    Pakistan has 4 million Ahmadis [58] and is the only state to have officially declared the Ahmadis to be non-Muslims

    India

    In India, Ahmadis are considered to be Muslims but they are not allowed to sit on the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, a body of religious leaders India's government recognises as representative of Indian Muslims

    Indonesia

    In 2008, many Muslims in Indonesia protested against the Ahmadiyya movement. Public opinion in Indonesia is split in different ways on how Ahmadiyya should be treated. Most hold it should be banned outright on the basis that it is a heretical and deviant sect that is not listed as an officially recognised religion in Indonesia

    IF you google Jesus (1835-1908), you will learn that Mirza was the only person who has claimed to be both, the promised return of Jesus as well as the promised Mahdi.


    Islamic tradition has a prophecy of the Mahdi, who will come alongside the return of Isa (Jesus). Heres a short list of people claiming to be the Mahdi: Muhammad Jaunpuri (1443-1505), Báb (1819-1850), Muhammad Ahmad ("The Mad Mahdi") (1844-1885), Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan (1864-1920), Rashad Khalifa (1935-1990), Juhayman al-Otaibi etc.

    1. Rishy Rich profile image74
      Rishy Richposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      And dont forget to check Mirza Ghulam Ahmads pics... you will be shocked to see the similarities roll roll

      1. profile image59
        paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Hi friend

        Pictures of a person are always similiar.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  9. TheGlassSpider profile image71
    TheGlassSpiderposted 8 years ago

    I wonder which is more important:

    How one considers oneself (how one identifies oneself), or how other people define you? Or is it a matter of either/or...what happens when there is conflict?

    Hmm. So many things to think about today.

  10. myownworld profile image78
    myownworldposted 8 years ago

    paarsurrey: agar tusee punjabi jaantey ho...to bhaai yay threads banaanein chore dein please!!.. hum per reham karien ...sab apaka mazaak urrah rahein hain...!

    * that's a HUGE request in a language hopefully he'll understand...

    1. profile image59
      paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend myownworld

      Bibi gulbath aur behs wich eh te hunda eay; inan nu muzaq nain karna chaida; eh sanjeeda batcheet eh. Mera baba guru nanak nal bura piyar eh. wahe-guru allahu akbar

      I have tolerance for them; they are my friends and brothers. I don't mind.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. myownworld profile image78
        myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        aw...parr bhai...aap ka dil acha hai....jeasay aap kush rahein... smile


        * you're  too kind hearted; ok. am giving up...stay happy

        1. Rishy Rich profile image74
          Rishy Richposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Dil ka achcha hai...magar Dimag ka nahin

          lol lol lol

    2. Greek One profile image77
      Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hey.. my best friends are Punjabi... I'm pretty sure you are asking him out on a date, aren't you?

      Sasrikal Looooooooooooooooooooooove!!

      1. myownworld profile image78
        myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        lol

        Ah...Greek god....how did u know?? Nah... too much religious zeal for my liking....!

        1. Greek One profile image77
          Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not a theologian or anything, but I'm pretty sure Guru Nanak would kick someone's arse

          1. myownworld profile image78
            myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            yep. the disciple is far too tolerant I'm sure... it's actually killing me!

            * hangs head low with shame at her lowly thoughts...

            1. Greek One profile image77
              Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              As I used to tell my former Sikh girlfriend “just make me some butter chicken and all will be well”

          2. Obscure Divine profile image54
            Obscure Divineposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I can't help but notice, you are all about the "arse."  Hmm, now what is all this punjabba/puntane/pudding talk?

            1. Greek One profile image77
              Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              you know, I AM Greek

              1. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
                Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I hope so...

                1. Greek One profile image77
                  Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  by ethnic background and social interaction

                  1. Obscurely Diverse profile image58
                    Obscurely Diverseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Yeah, by the force of pattern recognition and social satisfaction...the arse gave light upon thee?

              2. profile image59
                paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Hi friend Greek One

                I understand that Alexander the Great took some families to his homeland; so many punjabi words are mixed up in that area of Europe.

                Thanks

                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

                1. Greek One profile image77
                  Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  he maybe did.. but I picked it up from my Indian girlfriends smile

      2. skyfire profile image73
        skyfireposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        lol

        ROFL.... OMG...

        1. myownworld profile image78
          myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          yikes why, u think I'm not good enough for him?? Even with my best butter chicken recipe??

          1. skyfire profile image73
            skyfireposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            lol

          2. Greek One profile image77
            Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            samosas also have a way of bringing people together...

            but i find kulfi far too phalic, especially when surved alongside gulab jamun

            1. myownworld profile image78
              myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              yikes! I'm done with indian food!

              some greek salad please.....

              edit: on second thoughts, noo please don't ruin that salad...!

              1. Greek One profile image77
                Greek Oneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                yeah.. souvlaki isnt phalic lol

                1. myownworld profile image78
                  myownworldposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  damit too late! I knew it..... roll

  11. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 8 years ago

    http://alllowfat.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/powerbar-protein-plus-vanilla-yogurt1.JPG

  12. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 8 years ago

    @Paarsurrey, two questions:


    1. What paarsurrey means ?
    2. By any remote chance you posted info about this tomb of jesus ?

    http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php?op … ;Itemid=58

    1. profile image59
      paarsurreyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend skyfire

      I think I did not post it here.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  13. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 8 years ago

    Anyone tried this search engine ? if you enter name of any holloywood celeb or model you'll get haram level of 3. No wonder this search engine went down to maintenance. LOL lol

    http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2690/imhilal.jpg

  14. profile image59
    paarsurreyposted 8 years ago

    THE BELIEF IN THE ANGELS

    The Creator -God Allah YHWH controls the Universe through Angels; who obey His commands.

    Thanks

    1. profile image46
      elringtonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Angels are angels. They serve us all no matter creed, colour or country. Religous boundries are 'man-made', and therefore obselete in the eyes of the greater beings. I'm sure they'd be disappointed if we started (yet again) wars be they physical or on blogs about petty divides. They're here to help us all... Just embrace it and love it.

  15. jess91556 profile image56
    jess91556posted 7 years ago

    Angels were created at the dawn of the creation of the material universe. Hence they are referred to as morning stars.They were created by groups, each assigned certain task. There are nine groups of angels in the spirit world namely, Archangels, Angels,Thrones,Principalities,Powers,Virtues,Dominations, Cherubims, and Seraphim's. A great number of them fell with Lucifer  and were cast down upon the earth. These are the evil spirits in the realm of darkness.

    1. profile image59
      paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend jess91556

      Please quote your source and the authenticity of your source for our benefit.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  16. Kively2009 profile image58
    Kively2009posted 7 years ago

    Hi I feel that Angels etc are around us no matter where we are. that is my 2 worth bobs in!

 
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