It would have been immoral if Krishna had not fought with his uncles

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Morals are doing something on its proper occasion. This is what Krishna taught to his famous cousin in Gita. Had Krishna not fought at that time; it would have been an immoral act on his part? Krishna was a Prince of Peace yet he had to fight with his uncles and other kith and kin for freedom of faith, thought and religion.
   
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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Morality in Islam supports violence, not peace. 

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yep! here ya go!
         
         Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” This verse is cited more than any other as abrogating less aggressive Qur’anic passages. It is said to have abrogated no fewer than 124 verses of the Qur’an. The reference to the sacred months is said to mean that after this specific period of sacred month, you need not respect any sacred months any more, but can fight whenever it is convenient.
         
         Nice, sweet, loving, tolerant, broad-minded and accepting words from the other "good book"
         
         

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      SiddSinghposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You dont seem to have read Gita either.
      
      Krishna did NOT fight in Mahabharat. You are probably talking about Arjun.

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         Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         yeah,, he fought in Mahabharat...
         
         then he went out for a beer with Jesus while he was visiting India...
         
         tell him, paarsurrey

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend SiddSingh
         
         The Bhagavad Gita (Sanskrit भगवद्गीता, Bhagavad Gītā, "Song of The Blessed Lord"), also more simply known as Gita, is a sacred Hindu scripture,[1][2] considered among the most important texts in the history of literature and philosophy.[3] The Bhagavad Gita comprises roughly 700 verses, and is a part of the Mahabharata. The teacher of the Bhagavad Gita is Krishna, who is revered by Hindus as a manifestation of God himself,[3] and is referred to within as Bhagavan, the Divine One.[4]
         The content of the Gita is the conversation between Krishna and Arjuna taking place on the battlefield before the start of the Kurukshetra war.
         
         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita
         
         I did read it aout 4/5 years ago; and was impressed with the wisdom of Krishna.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Hauntyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Are you sure it wasn't a content-spun version of the Gita that you read? lol

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend Haunty
               
               I accessed it from a Hindu website; I think it was genuine.
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            True Bhagwat Gita is the discourse Krishna gives Arjun on the battle field of the Mahabharata.
            
            Krishna tell Arjuna that all has already been destined and one must play out his part, Arjuna being  a Shatriya or warrior must fight.

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      krisha didnot fight my friend..he made arjun fight :-)...also krishna first tried to make peace by himself going to court of dishrastra to avoid war..also war in those times have some strict rules..like not fighting with one who doesnot have weapon , not fighting in night , not using weapons on someone's back , not using weapon even against woman and such stuffs...he didnt attack enemy uninformed without giving time to prepare and such stuffs...

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend pisean282311
         
         It is good for Krishna and Arjum; ti is also good that they showed some good morals even against the enemies/adverseries.
         
         I love Krishna and Buddha like I love Moses and Jesus.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years ago

   Hi Paar.
   
   This is interesting to me. Can you tell me what made it the proper time to fight?
   
   Some people consider that there is never a "moral" time to fight.
   
   Thank you.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend TheGlassSpider
      
      Please read the first some pages of Gita, and you would yourself know it.
      
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      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      the only moral time to fight is when you are trying to catch an airplane and a member of the Hare Krishna team is in your way handing out flowers

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   mythbusterposted 14 years ago

   What would differentiate a content-spun version from a solid version?
   
   What would I be looking for to guarantee a reasonable version were I trying to read these volumes?

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend mythbuster
      
      That can only our friend Haunty tell us; if he likes.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Krishna was steadfast on his faith; he did not budge against evil; and he succeeded.
   
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   iantoPFposted 14 years ago

   I just finished a Hub on the Gita. It is a book within the great Indian epic the Mabharata, the climax of the legend being the great battle on the field of Kurukshitra. There Krishna does fight and is killed. In the Gita the first section or Teaching is about Arjuna"s moral dilemma, whether or not to fight. the second Teaching is where Krishna scolds him for faint heartedness and tells him to get on with it. It's all about Dharma, sacred duty. Sometimes war is the answer.
   
   I am Welsh a fighting kick-ass Celt.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend iantoPF
      
      Please tell us more about this "kick-ass Celt" and their religion if any. Was it a revealed one.
      
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      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         iantoPFposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         
         LOL It's called a sense of humor. I'm reacting to this "Ahmadi, peaceful loving" stuff you keep writing. But since you bring it up I would fight to save a firend and i have a stubborn Donkey. *winks*
         This is a thread about the Bhagavad Gita, we can talk about Pagans elsewhere and what would happen if we were to set up an altar in a Moslem country.
         
         i am Welsh a fighting Kick-ass Celt

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend iantoPF
            
            Then start a thread about "peaceful celts and what happened to them at hands of the Christians"; if you may; no compulsion or Madame X could do it.
            
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            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend iantoPF
      
      I agree with you. When the enemy or adversary is genocidal ; and does not listen to reason and arguments; it is defensive and understandable.
      
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      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   iantoPFposted 14 years ago

   ooops I got it wrong. Krishna didn't die at the battle. teach me to write without thinking. Though Krishna did not fight he did say that Arjuna was his instrument, the archer by his side.

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      Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      (I just love a kick-ass Celt )

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         iantoPFposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         
         Love you too

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   keshevposted 14 years ago

   I think that we are not in a position to talk about what krishna did.Only what we can do is to follow his instructions for our sake.thats it....we dont have spiritual and devine mind to elaborate what krishna did...atleast i dont have

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend keshev
      
      Can't one have an idea from Gita as to what Krishna thought and did? Obviously like Jesus he was no god; here the Hindus become mythical like Christians.
      
      Did you read Gita?
      
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      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend keshev
      
      Do we have any instructions from Krishna in writing from him or dictated by him or he authorized explicitly somebody to write for him his followers memorized all he said and that chain has come to us unbroken, undoubtedly.
      
      Or he thought his instructions were no important to the people of the coming generations and he did not do it. If it is not so then his instruction are obviously neither meant for us nor needed by us.
      
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      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Catholics have found ways when it becomes not only morally justifiable to make defense but it becomes even morally obligatory to preempt a war; must be from some teachings of Jesus as the Catholics are the only true Christians, as they claim:
   
   
   Pre-emption, Just War and the Defense of World Order
   
   “At the level of moral principle, however, it seems to me that there are, in fact, instances where it is not only right to "go first," but "going first" may even be morally obligatory. “
   
   http://www.catholiceducation.org/articl … j0008.html
   
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   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

   i think hjeanh has a good point here

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What is hjeanh's good point, here?
      
      Thanks

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         Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         darn.. they removed his comments

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    Cagsilposted 14 years ago

    At the highest level of morality, it would be immoral of any single individual to stand by and do nothing while someone else is killed.
    
    That is as far as I will go about this topic.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend Cagsil
       
       There are many dimensions of morality; the one you have mentioned is correct as I think; but ther could be others as well. Anything else comes to your mind? Please
       
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       I am an Ahmadi Peaceful Muslim

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    Cagsilposted 14 years ago

    "could be others as well."
    
    You are kidding right? The preservation of life is the highest moral ground. Anything beneath is nothing much, but it is only one person putting self ahead of the rest.
    
    Again, as I have pointed out in my many hubs- Civilization, the human species, at present day is not civilized. The civility of the human species is still growing and expanding. Therefore, individualized perceptions of morality continue to reign supreme, allowing people to ignore, what they themselves refuse to see in themselves or their potential.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend Cagsil
       
       Now suppose you have been very good to others; having done no harm to anybody; you come out from your house and all of a sudden somebody attacks you with a weapon and endagers your life; will it be immoral for you to defend yourself from being killed.
       
       Won't you?
       
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       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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          (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, we come out of our houses almost everyday to find someone attacking us with weapons and endangering our lives. We then immediately turn to our scriptures in which our god has condoned us to put the attacker to death.
          
          No religion would ever condone killing under any circumstances, which is one of the reasons Islam is not only wrong, but very dangerous.

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    rendragonposted 14 years ago

    arjun fought it...krishna was present in battlefiedl and give advice to arjuna.....krishna was riding the chariot of arjuna.....wen arjuna said he culd not fight against his relatives who was compelled to act against "dharma" by duryodhana and other kauravas,krishna adviced arjuna the essential to fight the dharmayudha [war to instigate justice]...

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi friend rendragon
       
       Defensive war for justice and to establish freedom of faith is rational; those who don't support it in fact side withe the aggressors and cannot be peaceful or democratic or religious or moral.
       
       Krishna was morally right to defend his position
       
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       I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
       
       Thanks

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