What happen to the separation of church and state?

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   Apostle Jackposted 15 years ago

   It all seem to be one piece of cloth.The church is
   just as pagan in image as the world is.
   The world should be following the church,not the
   other wat around.

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      Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The church wants to send me to spend an eternity burning in horrible agony. Why would I want to follow the church?

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         Theology4Realityposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         That's when you seperate the sheep from the shepard. I've been kicked out of half the churches in my City (And I live in a fair sized city, 1.2 million people) it doesn't mean I don't love Jesus

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            Beelzedadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Jesus will send me to hell and you love him.

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      crmhaskeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You cannot govern an entire nation based on a premise the entire nation does not accept.  That is why secularization is so important.  Church run states oppress people, in a secular society the practice of religion is protected, but remains a personal experience, and is not forced down the throats of those who do not believe.  And that is how it should be.
      
      The right to believe, and the right to not believe should be equally protected.

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   luvpassionposted 15 years ago

   And yet...take a dollar bill out of your wallett and see what it says on the back...In God We Trust,  go figgur.

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      Jeff Berndtposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      "take a dollar bill out of your wallett and see what it says on the back...In God We Trust,  go figgur."
      Yep, that was added in 1957, in a climate of anti-communist paranoia, as propaganda to further differentiate the officially secular USA from the officially atheist USSR.
      
      The motto that the founders chose is this: E Pluribus Unum.
      
      It surprises me that the folks (not necessarily you, luv'; I don't know what your politics might be) who are all about "what the founders intended" so often overlook the words that the founders intended to be the motto of the USA.

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   stormrider55posted 15 years ago

   remember when Jesus took a coin and said give on to Cesear what is Cesear's and unto God what is God's. This sounds like keeping state and Christ separate. If the state would really stay out of the church it would be okay. This would mean not telling us what we can preach.

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   Theology4Realityposted 15 years ago

   Say when was the last time a major North American Politician wasn't a churchgoer? I think one of the prerequisites for candidacy in America is "Being vocal about Christianity." Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., et al all were very vocal about God.
   
   Canada it's less so (In fact the more vocal you are, the less likel;y you'll get elected) but enough is known about our candidates that the public knows that a certain candidate goes to church, and it's the churchgoers who get elected. Martin and Chretian were both Roman Catholic. I think Harper is Anglican, but I'm not sure.

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