Peaceful spread of Islam in United States

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Hi friends
   
   Islam spread in the world very peacefully due to its marvelous, simple and matter of fact teachings; the same way in United States of America.
   
   Please see for yourself:
   
   Islam in the United States
   
   The earliest documented cases of Muslims to come to the United States were two West African slaves: Ayuba Suleiman Diallo, who was brought to America in 1731 and returned to Africa in 1734,[1] and Omar Ibn Said in the mid 19th century. There has been some speculation that a Moor slave Estevanico of Azamor, who had converted to Christianity [2][3][4] 14 years before his arrival in North America in the early 16th century, was at least the first born Muslim to enter the historical record in North America.[5] There is also a tradition of an Egyptian named Norsereddin who settled in the Hudson Valley during colonial times. Once very small, the Muslim population of the US increased greatly in the twentieth century, with much of the growth driven by rising immigration and widespread conversion.[6] In 2005, more people from Islamic countries became legal permanent United States residents — nearly 96,000 — than in any year in the previous two decades.[7][8] The new position has been created under white house executive office as a United States special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference to promote relation between Islamic world and United States government.
   Recent immigrant Muslims make up the majority of the total Muslim population. Native-born American Muslims are mainly African Americans who make up a quarter of the total Muslim population. Many of these have converted to Islam during the last seventy years. Conversion to Islam in prison,[9] and in large urban areas[10] has also contributed to its growth over the years. American Muslims come from various backgrounds, and are one of the most racially diverse religious group in the United States according to a 2009 Gallup poll.[11]
   A Pew report released in 2009 noted that nearly six-in-ten American adults see Muslims as being subject to discrimination, more than Mormons, Atheists, or Jews.
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_America
   
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   I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Islam has forever sint waves of migrsation into a country in preperation for it's Jihad.
      
      They know that when it comes to it and the Islamic armies are here. Muslims are obligated to assist in the conquering of this nation.
      
      That is the M.O. of Islam. Believe me. We see you. We are well aware that ALL the conquests of Islam have been through the sword.

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         crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         This is just paranoid.  There are more sane put together Muslims than there are insane, fundamentalist terrorists.  This response is no worse than paarsurrey's posturing.

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      nightwork4posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      the muslim religion has never spread anywhere peacefully. if you look at denmark, france united states, etc. you will see the damage, rioting and things like honour killings that have occured . these are just small examples of the problems that arise when the muslim religion grows in any country. any religion that either condones the treatment of non believers as being evil or condones the treatment of women as lesser beings is not only un-peaceful but has a negative effect on the way of life of said country. any more questions about the love of islam just look at any country that is prodominatly muslim and see how the people live. that should tell you all that is needed about this religion.

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well spoken!

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   pisean282311posted 14 years ago

   u have touched a controversial topic man..9/11, nidal , now this times square...all the best..

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   tantrumposted 14 years ago

   Why religions are always competing to see who has the most converted ?
   how childish!

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      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      ego satisfaction?...or may be some sense of reassurance that see so many r following...

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well, just like here. Everybody so concerned about how many 'followers' they have !

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            This is the first time I agree with you Tantrum

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You have got a wrong impression about Quran/Islam/Muhammad. There is no "ego" here; rather it is submission of the "ego".
         
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         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            May I make a suggestion to you, dear friend paarsurrey?
            
            Instead of posting post after post after post of every single geographic location where you believe Islam spread peacefully, wouldn't it be more efficient to just make one post (or better yet, one Hub) explaining to readers all the wonderful places that Islam has spread. and explain how it has spread peacefully?
            
            It would be far more helpful to we seekers of knowledge.

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               crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               He can't make it a hub.  He doesn't think for himself, he just pastes what has already been said elsewhere on the Internet.  Hub's that are just pasted material get deleted.  To make this an actual hub would force him to actually think - not likely he's doing that anytime soon.

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                  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  i would be willing to rewrite it for him JUST enough if it will stop these forum topics lol

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                     crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     haha - so would I ... when I saw the new "United States" one I nearly died of brain hemorrhaging.

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                        Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I can't wait for the 'Peaceful spread of Islam at the Vatican" post

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                           paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Who started the thread 'Peaceful spread of Islam at the Vatican"? I never did it.
                           
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                              Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              .. not YET.. but you'll get there

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                                 paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Hi friends
                                 
                                 Our good friend here Greek One suggested the thread "Spread of peaceful Islam in Vatican"; sorry, I could not find any page in Wikipedia for that. Instead I find something about spread of peaceful Islam in Italy.It is just to fulfull his desire.
                                 
                                 Spread of peaceful Islam in Italy
                                 http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/42578
                                 
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                                 I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                                    Buck Steinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Mark, Mark Knowles is that you?

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                                       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       No, Sir
                                       
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                        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I Thank God that you survived; or were you resurrected from the nearly dead like Lazarus ?
                        
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                           Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           he almost died... but his friends helped him and carried him to India

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                              luvpassionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              

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               TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               There is no place islam has spread peacefully.
               
               Sombody show me this proof...lol... never happened.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Quran/Islam/Muhammad teach of winning and convincing of hearts and souls; they don't believe in numbers or territories.
      
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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Winning hearts and souls. Just like a sport! Or a political party !
         Thanks for clarifying !

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well thre is no political party , here ; it is serving humanity.
            
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               tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Good to know you're serving Humanity.
               
               Maybe you can explain me how ?

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   luvpassionposted 14 years ago

   Serving humanity by creating contraversy...soap box anyone.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend luvpassion
      
      There is no Controversy in it; it is a part of history forgotten:
      
      The history of Islam in the United States can be divided into three periods: the colonization period, post World War I period, and the last few decades.[13]
      
      [edit] Muslims in early United States
      Estevanico of Azamor may have been the first Muslim to enter the historical record in North America. Estevanico was a Berber originally from North Africa who explored the future states of Arizona and New Mexico for the Spanish Empire. Estevanico came to the Americas as a slave of the 16th-century Spanish explorer Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca. After joining the ill-fated Narváez expedition in 1527, Cabeza de Vaca and Estevanico were captured and enslaved by Indians, escaping to make an arduous journey along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico. In 1539 Estevanico guided the first Spanish explorations of what is now the American Southwest.[14]
      
      N. Brent Kennedy has speculated that during the period 1567-1587, Moors and Turks were brought to the present-day Carolinas by Sir Francis Drake and/or by Portuguese or Spanish expeditions, and that some of these intermarried with Native Americans, giving rise to the Melungeon communities of Southern Appalachia.[15] Amadou-Mahtar M'Bow, a Senegalese educator and former UNESCO director, has made similar assertions.[16] The claim is not widely accepted.
      
      An early Egyptian immigrant is mentioned in the accounts of the Dutch settlers of the Catskills Mountains and recorded in the 1884 History of Greene County, New York. According to this tradition, an Egyptian named "Norsereddin" settled in the Catskills in the vicinity of the Catskill Mountain House. He befriended the Indian chief, Shandaken, and sought the hand of his daughter Lotowana in marriage. Rejected, he poisoned Lotowana and in consequence was caught and burned alive.[17][18]
      
      In 1790, the South Carolina legislative body granted special legal status to a community of Moroccans, twelve years after the Sultan of Morocco became the first foreign head of state to formally recognize the United States.[19] In 1796, then president John Adams signed a treaty declaring the United States had no "character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen".[20]
      
      Alexander Russell Webb is considered by historians to be the earliest prominent Anglo-American convert to Islam in 1888. In 1893 he was the only person representing Islam at the first Parliament for the World's Religions.[16]
      
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_America
      
      I am just refreshing you about peaceful spread of Islam in the world.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   errum fattahposted 14 years ago

   yes, Islam is spreading in america.. u knov   more than 20,000 ppl r converting to isalm each year. and the great surprise tht most of them r vomen so i think ppl should stop saying tht isalm had killed the rights of vomen bcuz if isalm did   tht than y  vomen r converting to isalm...? ( a point to b discussed more empathically and frequently)

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ever wonder how many people in Islamic countries would convert to other religions, or abandon religion altogether, if doing so wouldn't get them killed or persecuted?

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The growth rate of children in third world countries where Islam is the predominant religion drives the numbers up, not conversions.
      
      What you refer to is the 'argumentum ad populum' fallacy.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friend Q
         
         Islam spread peacefully; there is no fallacy in it; it spread through conversion and growth of population also.
         
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         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      nightwork4posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      i think women convert to islam for a number of reasons but mainly because their husbands have so it is normal to do the same. why women or men convert is like asking why women become prostitutes or porn stars or why men join gangs or become soldiers. only the person converting can answer the reason.

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   Spreading in America?
   
   You have to be kidding. That happens to be a direct lie, supported by nothing but an ego manipulated by religion.
   
   You could not be further from the truth, especially in the U.S., that's for damn sure.
   
   Last checked, over 80% of American were associated with Christianity or one of the sister religions or Mormon.
   
   You would be lucky IF 5% of Americans were of the Muslim faith.
   
   So, please.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend Cagsil
      
      I never said that 100% population of America is Muslim; I only meant that the 5% Muslim in America, as you have mentioned, have spread in America peacefully without a war.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There is ONE difference you are failing to point out?
         
         These people may follow bits and pieces of the religion, but like most, the freedom given in America, grants them the ability to toss out what they choose to ignore and there isn't anyone who has the right to tell them otherwise.
         
         Therefore, what you claim as a peaceful religion being spread over the U.S., as what you preach here in the forum?
         
         Completely different. Guaranteed!
         
         The American freedom offer to those who live here, even invades Religion. So much so, almost every person I have talked with here and offline, has proven to me that every single one of them only take parts of their religion seriously. Things that they do not agree with is tossed out.
         
         I know this, not only with my interaction with others, but it's a simple concept to grasp- freedom of religion?  The first amendment to the U.S. Constitution stipulates that any person can practice ANY religion in ANY manner they so choose.
         
         The only time any State or Federal agency gets involved is when harm to others happen. Spreading of the Muslim religion, sure, but not like you think.

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend Cagsil
            
            There is nothing bad in interaction with other religions; as long as they believe in the tenets of Quran/Islam/Muhammad it is good.
            
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            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Lol. That's like saying Nazism spread through Germany "peacefully without a war."

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend Q
            
            Please inform us the war which Muslims fought and defeated Americans to enter America?
            
            It is the Christians who killed the aborigines several centuries ago and occupied these lands; please remember some history if you cannot remember much.
            
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            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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               crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Evidently you don't remember American history.  They decided the Queen wasn't good enough for them hence why we have the USA and Canada, and not just North America.  The Brits were fighting the French, and together they were fighting the natives or f*cking them over as terrible allies, and some of the above just didn't like the Queen.
               
               We don't like to talk to about Alaska.
               
               Back on topic - Islam hasn't spread in America, Muslims have immigrated to America.  There is a huge difference between increase by immigration, and increase by conversion.  The conversion rates are minuscule compared to the immigration rates.  Immigrants are allowed and encouraged to continue practising their faith.  If I immigrated to a Muslim country would I be allowed to continue practising as a Buddhist freely?  Not likely.

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                  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  isn't Islam the in thing in L.A. now??
                  
                  I thought i saw it mentioned on an episode of The Hills?

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                  alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I am not aware of anywhere that Buddhists are prevented from practicing their thingy - except where it also represents one side of the divide in some internal war or insurrection ?

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi friend alternate poet
                     
                     Buddhists and Buddhism entered America, negating Buddha believing in the Creator-God Allah YHWH; in the form of Skeptics in doubts the entered in America. It is for this that the Skeptics find it convenient not to criticize them as they do criticize Judaism or Christianity; perhaps it is mutual convenience. I don't think it is sincere on the part of the Skeptics; it might be Taqiyya on the part of the Skeptics and the Buddhists.
                     
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                     I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friend crmhaske
                  
                  So it were not the Quran/Islam/Muhammad who entered American lands by fighting and killing people. Muslims even if they entered America and Australia by way of immigration; but they entered peacefully; yet another form of spreading peacefully. It must be very clear.
                  
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                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                     crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     That isn't spreading paarsurrey, it's moving.  There is a big difference.

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                        paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi friend crmhaske
                        
                        So, Islam moved on in Americas very peacefully. Do you agree with it?
                        
                        Do you agree that Islam spread peacefully in Oceana?
                        
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                        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                           Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Most Muslims, being rational people, brought their faith to America peacefully (would be a little hard to wage a war on conversion based on the population numbers, and as you can believe that you want in the US, there is little reason for them to resort to violence)
                           
                           Some otter people brought their faith to America via hijacked airplanes

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                           crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm not as emotionally attached to the answer as Americans are.  Why don't you ask a New Yorker that question, and see if they agree with you.

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                              paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Hi friend crmhaske
                              
                              You did not notice perhaps, I said "Americas", which to me means North America and South America; in this sense Canada is in North America. I think you are emotionally attached to Canad.
                              
                              I don't mind if somebody a New Yorker opt to reply.
                              
                              I think we are not emotionally charged here. Are you?
                              
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                              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                                 Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 yeah, I think you will get a more agreeable answer from a Canadian on this subject paarsurrey lol

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                                    paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Hi friend Greek One
                                    
                                    I think our friend crmhaske has stated that she lives in Canada. She will answer when she is in a peaceful emotional mode; we are not in a hurry; we can wait for her composed response. She is always with good answers; you must have already noted.
                                    
                                    By the way; if water moves on; is it wrong to state the it has spread out? If it is a difficult question; you may not answer. Though in the history I know the Greeks answered many difficult answers also. But we are friends.
                                    
                                    Are you a New Yorker?
                                    
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                                    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                                       Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       I wouldnt seek answers from Greeks at the moment.. they are a bit focused on getting out of bankruptcy.
                                       
                                       As for your point about water...
                                       no, in Canada it just freezes over, so it never moves on

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                                          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          obviously you are Greek.
                                          
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                                             Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Greek Canadian
                                             
                                             I spread peacefully over to the new world

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                                       crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       lol, peaceful emotional mode
                                       
                                       I think people of all faiths, and of no faith have committed countless atrocities against humanity.  I also think that people of all and no faith have done wonderful things for humanity.  The question of whether any religion has spread peacefully is undoubtedly false, no religion has.  No belief system even if there isn't a creator has.  Man is so innately narcissistic that we created God in our own image, of course a species so full of themselves will suffer violence at the hands of disagreement in an area of philosophy so important to one's personal existence.
                                       
                                       And your water analogy is flawed.  When water leaves one place to go to another, it vacates the place where it once was.  It only spreads if more water is added, which is not the case of immigration, it's just movement.

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                                          Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          i would add to crmhaske's comment this: "Go Leafs Go"

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                                             crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             That could get you killed where I live right now in Montreal
                                             
                                             I hate hockey.  It ceased being a sport the day it became a franchise.

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                           TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Islamic immigrants are very much less, than 1% of the population. So don't get yourself too siked. You got a long way to go.

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                              paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Hi friend TMMason
                              
                              I don't believe you; our Buddhist friend crmhaske calculated it, if  I remember it correctly, at 5%. It is between you both friends to measure it correctly. My point was that Religion spreads peacefully; and Islam did spread in America peacefully; you will also agree on it.
                              
                              Don't worry about the speed; ultimately it will convince everybody in America that the only reasonable and truthful religion in the world is Ahmadiyya peaceful Islam. America was among the first countries of the world where Message of the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 reached and they witnessed a Spiritual Dual between John Alexander Dowie and the Promised Messiah almost a hundred year ago; American newspapers of that time published its account:
                              
                              http://www.alislam.org/books/victory/index.html
                              
                              
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                              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                                 Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 damn.. i missed that.. was it on TV?

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                                    paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Hi friend Greek One
                                    
                                    TV was not invented yet; it was in the Newspapers of America. I just give two passages of an account about it in the link.
                                    
                                    A sign of God for America and the West
                                    
                                    Passage 1
                                    
                                    John Alexander Dowie was by birth a Scotsman. He was born in Edinburgh in 1847 and studied for the Church in his early years.
                                    In 1872 he went to Australia as a cleric and acquired a certain degree of reputation for healing. In 1888 he went over to the United States of America and started the publication of ~ paper called Leaves of Healing. In 1896 he founded the Christian Catholic sect. In 1901 he started building a town in the State of Illinois which he called Zion City. He established many factories within the area of the town and became in effect the uncrowned king of Zion City. In the same year he claimed to be Elijah III.
                                    
                                    Passage Two:
                                    
                                    At last Mr. Dowie announced in the Leaves of Healing of December 1903:
                                    
                                    In India, there is a Mohammedan Messiah who keeps on writing to me that Jesus Christ lies buried in Kashmir. People ask me why do I not send him the necessary reply? Do you think that I should answer such gnats and flies? If I were to put my foot on them I would trample them to death. The fact is that I merely give them a chance to fly away and survive.
                                    
                                    Thus the issue was squarely joined between Ahmad and Dowie. From that moment Dowie entered upon a progressive decline of all his affairs. His health began to deteriorate, his followers began to have doubts and questioned his claims, he began to encounter financial difficulties. In 1905 he suffered a severe stroke of paralysis and was directed by his physician to move to a warmer climate. He was taken to Mexico and later to Jamaica. The affairs of Zion were handed over to a nominee of his who soon turned against him. His wife and children deserted him and he was charged with diverse il1icit and immoral practices. On 9 March 1907 he died a miserable death, The prophecy of the Promised Messiah was truly and completely fulfilled.
                                    
                                    The Danville Gazette of 7, June 1907 wrote:
                                    'Ahmad and his adherents may be pardoned for taking some credit for the accuracy with which the prophecy was fulfilled a few months ago.'.
                                    
                                    http://www.alislam.org/books/victory/index.html
                                    
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                                    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                                       Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       God struck him down with a heart attack, did he?
                                       
                                       so much for the peaceful spread! lol

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                                 crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 lol, I didn't calculate anything.
                                 
                                 No religion has spread peacefully.

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                                    Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    I can feel the love, peace and harmony from here. It is giving me indigestion........

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                                       crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       What can I say, I'm polyamorous lol

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                           nightwork4posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           well i doubt very much that apon arrival muslims would start wars immediately but rather change laws and turn a blind eye to those of the religion that comit acts that are deemed to be of a terrorist nature.

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         nightwork4posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         you state without war. sorry but war isn't always something we can see. as people in north america convert we will notice an increase in things like "honour killings" , the want for shari law and in the muslim families , abuse of females will seem to have decreased though we know that it is only looking that way because the religion forbids women to go to the police when abused.

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   I noticed they ignored the ? from greek...
   
   How many would convert from Islam, if not for the death sentence. I bet millions.

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   LeanManposted 14 years ago

   I wonder why the flag of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a Sword on it? Must be for all the peace, after all it is the birth place Islam..

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      irs' used in the peaceful spread of infidels' bones all over Saudi Arabia

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         LeanManposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         They don't have to fight to keep the infedels out... if you've ever been here you would not want to return.....
         
         Good job they have oil or they would never have anyone here to do the work... only way that they can afford to persuade us infidells to stay.. money money...

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   I am still waiting to be told which country islam has conquered/overtook through peace.
   
   name it my Muslim friend.... just one.

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      what about Sweden?

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         TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Again I humbled by your socratic wisdom. Truly a gift from your Gods.
         
         Thank you.
         
         lol

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            Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            opps.. sorry, it wasn't Sweden..
            
            

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    LeanManposted 14 years ago

    The muslims are still fighting each other.... let alone everyone else... different sects always fighting each other...
    
    Think it is something to do with which end of the egg they have to break for breakfast, the fat end or the pointy end... or was that Gulivers travels not the other big book that they like..

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    sabrebIadeposted 14 years ago

    I did some research and I found that the American Religious Identification Survey gave "Irreligion" the largest gain in terms of absolute numbers.
    They went from  8.4% of the population to 14.1% of the population between the years of 1990 to 2001.
    Irreligion encompasses atheism, deism, non-theism, agnosticism, ignosticism, anti-religion, skepticism, free thought and secular humanism.
    Before 1976, Irreligion was simply called "neener-neener".

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    wasn;t France either... I'll keep looking...
    
    

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    nope.. not here either...
    
    

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    not Denmark...
    
    

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    not India...
    
    

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    LeanManposted 14 years ago

    I know where the peaceful spread is comming from. I sat down with a large group of teenagers/students/early twenties types about 3 months ago at a gathering on the beach here in saudi..
    
    Of the 15 or so of them sat with me discussing living in the west there was not one that wanted to stay in their own country, they all wanted to grow up enough to leave and live in the west!!!!

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    It's spreading to California too!!
    
    

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       TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       man thats too funny.

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       The Chief Speaksposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Now...This is Cruelty she can Never be married or have Children
       
       In a Women In Islam Can Get married and have many Children.......We can do this All Day ...
       Anyone For Real Topics?........
       Peace

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          Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          In Islamic countries women are treated like livestock. Every time A sailor I know comes back from Afghanistan it's the same story; Women are for making babies and men are for pleasure.
          
          I bet she can't wait to be circumcized!!!
          

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          Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Do this all day?  You can do whatever you would like to do all day.. but not with me.  I am not interested in arguing whose faith in 'better' or less cruel.  We are each entitled to believe, or not believe, any God or Gods we want to.
          
          I am not so blind or foolish to argue that the proponents who supposedly share my faith have not been guilty of great crimes in the name of their religion. My point when responding to all these "peaceful spread of Islam" threads is that it is incredibly laughable that someone can  be so blind and foolish when talking about their faith as to make such ridiculous claims over and over again.
          
          More importantly, such an advertising campaign is a waste of time. As a person who believes in God, it strikes me as being a totally useless endeavor to defend the criminal actions of some who have committed atrocities in the name of a one's religion in order to safeguard the image of one's faith, as my dear friend Paar so often attempts to do.  People commit crimes for a whole bunch of reasons, and just because they are motivated by, or use religion as an excuse, does not condemn the religion itself.  These people are criminal.. not God or his message.
          
          Paar would have more credibility in my eyes if he was to find and condemn all the instances where people have committed crimes and persecuted others in the name of his faith (just like his own sect has been persecuted).  It would be far wiser if he were to dissociate his faith from such examples, then to try and argue that no single follower of his faith has tried to impose his religion through the use of force,.

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             paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             
             
             Hi friends
             
             I do condemn all the incidents of violence, persecutions and killings done in the name of a religion; and I have always suggested that the solution is in the roots of a religion. If there is no teachings of violence or intention of violence as in case of Quran; then all the incidents of violence done in the name of this religion by the so called its believers should be disassociated from it and the religion itself remains aloof of it and is not responsible for it.
             
             Quran does not allow any persecution, violence or killings to spread Islam and allows free will, equality to everybody and deals with equity.
             
             Do you agree with me?
             
             Thanks
             
             I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                O.k. so then why the insistence of arguing that it has spread peacefully through out the world?
                
                You can't have it both ways and claim that Islam is so pure that its followers through out the centuries would never have resorted to violence, and then in the same breath acknowledge that violence did happen, but the religion itself was not responsible.
                
                Wouldn't it be more fair and reasonable to just say that Islam did at times spread violently by those who claimed to be followers of Islam, but that in your interpretation of the faith, their acts are not Islamic, nor were they necessarily for the spread of your religion?

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    LeanManposted 14 years ago

    Too much of the nose showing... It will never catch on...
    
    Does it come in peephole and crotchless??

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       Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       let me check walmart's online store...

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Hi friends
    
    Christianity spread in America by killing millions of native people; but Islam spread there very peacefully.
    
    Christians killed 100,000,000. natives to spread Christianity in America.
    
    Did they not?
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       nightwork4posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       where did you get the number 100,000,000? if islam would have came to america 300 years ago the process would have been simple. convert or be destroyed.
       christianity did cause a lot of pain and suffering and death which is ironic because like many religions in the end it is the will of "god " that is used as a reason.

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend
          
          Just google and you would get many such sites, one I quote here:
          
          Spread of Christianity:
          
          1.And where is the document that presents a papal granted moral right for indigenous peoples to own land and be independent sovereign nations? What has the Roman Catholic hierarchy and other Christian Church leaders had to say about the 60,000,000 to 80,000,000 indigenous inhabitants of the Western hemisphere who had perished by the end of the 16th century? And what have they had to say about the probable 100,000,000 native peoples who have been killed in the course of the on-going Christian ‘civilization’ of the Western hemisphere"?
          
          2.The story of the Christian Inquisition against the Hindus in Goa is also a dismal record of Christian barbarism and cruelty; tyranny and injustice; avarice and corruption, repression of Hindu thought and culture, and promotion of obscurantism. The conversion of Hindus of Goa to Christianity was one of the main activities of the Portuguese Rulers in close association with the Missionaries — Society of Jesus, Franciscans and others. Fraud, force and favoritism were the standard methods of ’saving souls’ or ‘conversion’ employed by the Christian missionaries in Goa. From available data we can see that more than 200,000 Hindus were tortured and killed and more than 500,000 Hindus were forcibly converted to Christianity from 1560 to 1812.
          
          http://originalblessing.ning.com/profil … -committed
          
          There is lot more to the credit of Christianity.
          
          Thanks
          
          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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             Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             from your own guidelines ; the same can be said for Islam.
             
               Mankind acting as self appointed ambassadors of God , looking out for their own glory.
               Corruption creeps into every man made organization.
             
               This is not Gods fault.
               An if it were it would be his way of weeding out the weak.
             
               Just another thought.   
               What if these millions of millions of people had not died an unnatural death, and had four children each ???? And if they had four children etc.  What would the population of the earth be today? 
             
               Until the middle of the mid 20th century  the earths population maintained a constant population growth regardless of every fact whether drought, war, or pestilence.
             
                Had war not have thinned out the population, pestilence or starvation would have kept a steady growth rate.
                Natures balance.

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    Onusonusposted 14 years ago

    What? peaceful?! Ha!
    
    
    
    
    

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       The Chief Speaksposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       WHAT!!!!! WHAT!!!!! Peaceful???? Huh???!!?? All Good Old America Christians!!!
       produces
       
       
       
       

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          Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          The difference is that those acts were done contrary to the teachings of Christ, where violence continues to be the driving force behind the teachings of Mohammed. After all; "Jihad is a religious duty of Muslims."

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             mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Muhammad was someone who understood the oneness of god and his prophets and acknowledged Jesus as a Great prophet before him.
             the philosophy of Jihad is an internal battle, things have gone wrong in  Islam like Christianity where many don't understand Jesus message.

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                paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                
                
                Hi friends
                
                It is a great thing that Quran/Islam/Muhammad acknowledge truthfullness of all the Messengrs Prophets of all the religions and the truthfulness of all the Revealed Scriptures in the origin. Quran encompassess all the truthful teachings of all the religions and this way secures them in its fold.Quran respects all the human beings.
                
                Thanks
                
                I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                   Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Too bad the people who read it do not bother to learn from it.

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    I can't believe preaching thread is still going on..

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    Daniel Carterposted 14 years ago

    I'm not so sure that there is a religion that spreads peacefully. Everyone needs converts to keep the coffers full, and so preaching and accosting people with their beliefs and the threat that they need "salvation" or burn in hell is a thriving business going on now for perhaps eons.
    
    I don't think you can extricate religion from business. And business, these days is pretty greedy, as were any past crusades from any religion.

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    Uzdawiposted 14 years ago

    Allthough I don´t like all religions equally..
    But i thought that i can post this here and not make a new forum thread.So i wanted to say that site called TipDrop has been hacked by someone who really likes allah.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Islam spread in the world very peacefully due to its marvelous, simple and matter of fact teachings; the same way it spread in United States of America. Those who resorted to violence they actually hindered it growth and spread; if they had not done so, it would have spread with more speed.
    
    Thanks

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       Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hey Paar, get something straight.
       
       Islam is not spreading within the borders of the United States of America. The people who have followed the religion you claim have come to America.
       
       That does not mean it is spreading. It does mean that people are choosing to come to America, where they are not demanded to listen to those who are religious elite and enforce it's word.
       
       In America, Freedom of Religion is all about believing what you want to believe, as far as religion is concerned. There are not more people becoming part of that religion, which would insinuate spreading, as you claim.
       
       Less and less people are practicing any sort of religion, but still remain to have a belief in some sort of god.
       
       Your entire thread is misleading, if not an out-right lie.

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