Peaceful spread of Islam in Italy

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   tantrumposted 14 years ago

   Our good friend here Greek One suggested the thread "Spread of peaceful Islam in Vatican"; sorry, I could not find any page in Wikipedia for that
   
   
   

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   Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

   By the way, how does this piece from your post indicate that the spread of Islam into Italy was peaceful???
   
   "The history of Islam in Italy dates back to the 9th century, when wars of expansion by North African states brought Sicily and some regions in Peninsular Italy into the Ummah. There were Muslim domains in these parts of Italy from 828 (Muslim conquest of Sicily) to 1300"

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend Greek One
      
      I did not edit the article of Wikipedia; you can see my peaceful approach.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         no, but you did place the article under the title "Peaceful spread of Islam in Italy".
         
         Are you sayingn Islam did NOT spread peacefully in Italy?

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend
            
            Perhaps you did not read the last para of my post:
            
            "The first phase of political dominance in Italy by the Arabs; hampered the growth and spread of Islam in Italy; as Quran/Islam/Muhammad never believed in spreading religion by sword or force or compulsion.
            
            Later Islam spread in Italy very peacefully. It is now second popular religion in Italy."
            
            Dominance of Arab or other Political Rule is another thing; that is not supported by Quran/Islam/Muhammad. Spread of peaceful Islam is a different phenomenon; please don't mix it up.
            
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            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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               Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               oh I see... and these Arabs, where they not Muslim?
               
               You can't ignore violent attempts to spread Islam, and only talk about where it spread non-violently.  To ignore the first case is to ignore history and the fact that Islam spread both through violent and non-violent means

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                  crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Clearly your logic is faulty Greek One

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                     Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I’ll have to brush up on Wiki and reassess my thinking

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This is what I am beginning to think.  Some people have a different understanding for the meaning of peace.

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         BDazzlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Peace is for everyone who agrees with me and keeps their mouth shut otherwise ... once everyone agrees with me, we will finally have lasting peace forever...  I thought that was obvious, the problem is that the whole world doesn't see things my way!
         
         

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            sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            lol, behave.

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         Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         by "peaceful", maybe he means by "cutting people into full pieces"
         
         it's simply a language thing

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Of course.
         
         Islamic "peace" is just like the Christian "love".
         
         It is for your own good....................................

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            sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, yes.  I get this.  Too bad the concordance doesn't come with the definition of love in it. lololol.  Okay, now I will behave.

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friends
            
            Quran/Islam teach both peace and love.
            
            Thanks

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   myownworldposted 14 years ago

   ((( Greek... didn't I warn you to keep your mouth closed.....! )))

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      damn, you sound just like my wife lol

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         myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          
         
         That must be the ultimate hell...um heaven for you! And you thought you could escape here online...! 
         
         Run Run as fast as you can......

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            Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            nah.. i am a newlywed so i still looooooooooooooove her

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   thisisoliposted 14 years ago

   Islam has been the source of just as much violence and unjustified retribution as christianity, I am hoping a religion free world comes about one day soon.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend thisisoli
      
      A religion free world is more  cruel and unjust; humanity has experienced it in Hitler and Stalin.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         A weak overworked argument this one!
         
         Check for religious wars, there are at least 30 going on right now.

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         Denseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Not sure about Stalin, but Hitler's a good Christian.

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend Dense
            
            What denomination of Christianity did Hitler belong to? Do they own him?
            
            Stalin and Hitler were both Atheists; but the Atheists are now embarrassed to own them.
            
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            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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               skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Lol,you mean hitler killed jews for non-religious reasons and atheists are afraid to accept it?

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   These liars shouldn’t let the Infidels access their war manuals! 
   
   Mohammad had revelations depending on what was happening. When not everyone was eager to do jihad, he announced "revelations" telling them Allah was pissed and would punish them.
   
   Hundreds of verses in the Qur’an and Hadiths that are hate filled and vile.
   Far too many to list them all.
   They would fill a book. Which they do.
   It's the Qur'an.
   Read it.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend earnestshub
      
      There is none such verse in Quran; Just give here the text of one such verse with the verses in the context, five preceding and five following, you will know it is not true what you say.
      
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      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   How can you religionists just tell straight out lies about your own books?
   
   
   Qur’an 5:33: “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and perpetrate mischief [reject Islam or oppose its goals] in the land, is to murder them, to hang them, to mutilate them, or banish them. Such is their disgrace. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
   
   Another 5:33 translation (but is it really any different than the one above?):
   
   Sura 5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief (corruption) through the land is: execution or crucifixion of the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.
   
   
   In the later revelations, and as Mohammad became more powerful and more cruel, he really let the Infidels (that’s you and me) have it, especially in the last Sura, the infamous Sura 9.
   
   Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” This verse is cited more than any other as abrogating less aggressive Qur’anic passages. It is said to have abrogated no fewer than 124 verses of the Qur’an. The reference to the sacred months is said to mean that after this specific period of sacred month, you need not respect any sacred months any more, but can fight whenever it is convenient.
   
   While the sword verse in 9:5 refers to idolaters, another verse, Sura 9:29 was given to permit attacking Jews and Christians (people of the book):
   
   Sura 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.
   
   How much of this crap do you have to read before you see the psychotic hate and loathing?
   

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend earnestshub
      
      I requested you to just select one verse from Quran and give its context of at least five preceding and five following verses that would open a door of understanding the verse clearly; but I think you are not interested in it.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yes earnest, what is the matter here? Didn't you know it takes 5 verses in a row of uttering death threats in the Quran before anyone can understand the threats, not just one or two or three or four threats will do...

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            earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            
            It's all about context apparently.
            
            What his book says is irrelevant!
            It's only words. The words he lives by as a true Muslim.
            
            The bible is just as bad and near identical with the killing and the torture, the fire and brimstone.
            Also "out of context" by the way!

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               (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               In other words, even though the words of the bible, the quran and every other holy book are there for us to read, it's all about whose interpretation we should listen and follow.
               
               It's as if the written word meant nothing at all.

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                  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friends
                  
                  Quran needs no explanation necessarily; it explains itself in a system in it, in the context, or it gives hints and explains itself at other places in the Quran. Explanations are given only to help others who cannot understand it for their bias or do not want to understand it for reasons.
                  
                  Thanks
                  
                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  yes.. exactly... you see, you are thinking of it like a, i don't know... book.
                  
                  when it really is more like a slab of clay, which can be used to mold whatever you want...
                  
                  
                  

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                     paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi friend Greek One
                     
                     Truthful flexibility is a good attribute for a religious book; science is also progressive.
                     
                     Thanks
                     
                     I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                        Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        hahahah .. i love that term, "truthful flexibility"... thank you!

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                           crmhaskeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I agree.
                           
                           Truthful flexibility = what I believe is true even if nobody agrees with me

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                              paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Hi friend crmhaske
                              
                              I don't mind ; if the truth agree with me and the truthful persons agree with me and I agree with them.
                              
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                              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   This is love is it?
   This neurotic hateful crap goes on and on in the quoran as it does in the bible but you see it as love do you?
   
   Totally insane!
   
   Sura 3:151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers for that they joined companions with Allah for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the fire; and evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
   
   Sura 8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power including steeds of war to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies and others besides whom ye may not know but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

   Hitler and stalin's way of living life is same as islamic teaching and nepotism to dominate world. (Difference is people die slowly by tolerating islam and with stalin/hitler there was instant death).

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