THE SECRET BEHIND THE CROSS AND CRUCIFIX

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   Every Christian in the world knows the Catholics mixed pagan traditions into the church to draw in and capture new souls.
   
   You guys really ought to catch up.
   
   All your lil secrets have been spilled already.
   
   Man. Just like Islam to show up to the party 700 years late.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Every Christian in the world isn't Catholic, for your information.

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      Daniel Carterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      There's a lot of superstition and magic in protestantism too. That doesn't make any Christian religion much different than the other. Slamming another religion doesn't make you look like a very good Christian, quite frankly. Don't you beg for Jesus' atoning grace like everyone else? If that's the case, being caustic is not very Christian.

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   Onusonusposted 14 years ago

   I see the cross simply as the insturment of Christ's demise, He took upon himself the sins of the world both in the garden and on the cross, I believe that He performed a vicarious sacrifice to atone for the sins of the world.
   The cross is a matter of circumstance, he could have been hung, shot, stabbed, fried in the electric chair, lethally injected, or pushed off a cliff. The important part is that he was resurrected.

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      sandieganlizposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      agreed

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend Onusonus
      
      Jesus neither took the sins of others on his shoulders; nor he could do it logically. Jesus had no authority for it. If the Creator-God Allah YHWH wants to forgive the sinners; he could do it on his own being his sole discretion; he needs no recommendation or consultation or sacrifice of Jesus. Why should Jesus, I take refuge from God Allah YHWH, be a crazy man? Any logic???!!!
      
      Wake up Christians; don't be mythical and illogical, please.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You make a valid point about the cross, but since he was crucified on a cross, it is only fitting that the cross be revered as the method chosen for his death. I'm certain that if any other method of death had been chosen then that form would probably be revered instead.
      
      Like you have said, Christianity should must and does focus on his death and resurrection and ascention and sending of The Holy Spirit, which are the most important features of Christianity for a believer or a converter.
      
      Brother Dave.

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   Exactly. It is sybolic. It is what is in your heart, that counts.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend TMMason
      
      So, you mean that it is neither literally correct nor physically that "Jesus died a cursed death on Cross" it is mythical one, which cunning Paul imported at Rome from the pagans. Paul's intention was to provide an easy creed to the "Christians" for which they may be lead to the deception of atonement of their sins; and they fell into this trap of Paul.
      
      The Christian , as you know them, cannot stop sinning even if they have to kill Jesus or to put him in hell. I observe here some Christians who say that it was they who killed Jesus for their sins. It is obvious.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         No man.
         
         Christ was crucified.

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         Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Paarsurrey, I don't know where you are getting your mis-information from. Jesus being The Son of God accepted the responsibility once and for all time for the sins of mankind. If a man or a woman whole-heartedly believes and accepts this as truth, then their sins are wiped clean. Choose not to accept it and your sins will remain yours unto death. The cross was the vehicle used by Rome as the most vicious form of punishment to send out a message to others, so the cross was used. Jesus was totally innocent of any sin, as the son of God, therfore He was a logical perfect sacrifice by God, as proof of God's love for man, and Jesus accepted this responsibility totally.
         
         Brother Dave.

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friend Dave Mathews
            
            What about the sins one commits afterwards after being once clean?
            
            Did Jesus himself say that he had the authority from the Creator-God Allah YHWH to forgive sins of others?
            
            Is it your own wisdom you add to Jesus?
            
            Thanks
            
            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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   Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

   (Weird, because there is documented proof that He was crucified, as expressed by various Roman and Hebrew writers, satirists and politicians)
   
   what is it you are attempting to prove/disprove?

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend Twenty One Days
      
      I think you are mistaken; there is no documented proof for it; that Jesus died on the cross.
      
      Secular Historian even deny historicity of Jesus.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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         Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         there is ample proof that jesus was crucified.
         
         http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/crucified.htm

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         Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         hehe, not surprised by this.
         here is a list to assist you:
         
         -Cornelius Tacitus: senior historian of Rome
         -Gaius Suetonius Tranquillas: chief secretary to Hadrian: Annals
         -Flavius Josephus, historian for Emperor Vespasian: Antiquities
         -Julius Africanus:  Extant Writings
         -Emporer Hadrian to Minucius Fundanus, the Asian proconsul
         -The Babylonian Talmud : Sanhedrin 43a
         -Pliny the Younger
         -Lucian of Samosata, the Greek Satirist
         -Mara Bar-Serapion of Syria
         -Justin Martyr, to Antoninus Pius, First Apology
         
         and there are other non-christian references.

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            Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Very good, I'm not going to read any of that stuff though,
            
            
            cause all you need is faith now brother!!!!, can I get an amen brother.!?...raise the roof!
            

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               Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I had an image of Wayne Newton in mind, but this works too. lol

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Hi friends
            
            I just take one out of them; please read the following link:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
            
            Thanks
            
            I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi friend sabrebIade
                  
                  It is good if research scholars improve the article.
                  
                  Thanks
                  
                  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Twenty one days I agree with you there is plenty of documented proof of what is reported in The Bible but the fact is muslims have to be right all the time. I mean let's face it, they are even willing to strap a bomb onto themselves and then blow themselves up just to have the last word or so they think.
      Ha Ha Ha Ha!
      Dave.

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   Onusonusposted 14 years ago

   We also have sources from the historian Flavus Josephus,Pliny the Younger, Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor around 112 AD, Emporer Hadrian (117-138 AD), in a letter to Minucius Fundanus, the Asian proconsul, The Jewish Talmud, compiled between 70 and 200 AD, Mara Bar-Serapion, of Syria, writing between 70 and 200 AD from prison to motivate his son to emulate wise teachers of the past.
   The list is much larger, but there are plenty of people who testified of the crucifiction of Jesus both in and out of the Christian belief, and many years before the false prophet Mohammed came along.

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   Onu...
   
   You are not going to convince him otherwise bro.
   
   Islam denies alot of the binlical text we believe.
   
   of course they do not even know who his mother is, or at least momo didn't.
   
   But hey.... what can you say.
   
   Don't give yourself a headache man.

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      Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I know.

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   kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years ago

   

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   Justine76posted 14 years ago

   this thread makes no sense to me?
   hey kim!!

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    I've heard that we can not logically anticipate the thinking of the illogical mind. And visa versa.
    
       A fool can not know the reasons why a wise person does the things that they do.  And visa versa.
       
       So, if there is a God,  for us to say that it is not logical for him/it to do the things that he/it does is in itself not logical. Why do we do that? ....?   Because...?
       We all suppose our selves to be wiser that we really are.

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    Dave Mathewsposted 14 years ago

    muslims like to attack christianity, but also say that they believe in jesus as being a prophet, seems to me like they don't know what they believe.

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